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2013-03-07 11:48:26 PM
In Soviet Afghanistan blah blah blah lorem ipsum YOU!
 
2013-03-07 11:57:01 PM
www.nickthorpe.co.uk

Approves
 
2013-03-08 12:04:51 AM
I'm glad the Russians don't put their former POWs in the Gulag. I'm correct about this, right?
 
2013-03-08 01:01:50 AM
The Soviets fought the Afghans for 9 years - and lost. The US has been fighting the Afghans for 11 years - and lost.

Smart: Learning from your mistakes. Smarter: Learning from the mistakes of others.

Is the US STOOPID, or whut?


/Terr'rists
 
2013-03-08 01:03:25 AM

AirForceVet: I'm glad the Russians don't put their former POWs in the Gulag Guantanamo. I'm correct about this, right?



FTFY.
 
2013-03-08 01:19:02 AM
I guess it's similar but it's not the same. The Japanese personnel found on various pacific islands after the end of WWII were still fighting the war. This guy and others like him went native and dropped out of the war. Still makes for a decent headline though.
 
2013-03-08 01:21:05 AM
So was he still fighting against the mujaheddin for the Soviet Union? Yeah, it's cool they found him and are looking for others, but it really isn't comparable.
 
2013-03-08 01:22:36 AM
Was better than returning to Soviet Union, da?
 
2013-03-08 01:35:47 AM
Would have been more believable if he had been blinded and taught to sword fight by the natives who rescued him.
 
2013-03-08 01:36:52 AM
Japanese guys fighting after WWII ended = Red Dawn on an island

This guy = Dances with Wolves in Afghanistan

Amos Quinto = Simple Jack
 
2013-03-08 01:50:30 AM

Therion: Would have been more believable if he had been blinded and taught to sword fight by the natives who rescued him.


Hauer they gonna do that?
 
2013-03-08 03:43:18 AM
He's Uzbek. Which shares a boarder with Afghanistan. He was a draftee who went native in a culture close to his own. And I don't blame him.
 
2013-03-08 06:36:46 AM

Therion: Would have been more believable if he had been blinded and taught to sword fight by the natives who rescued him.


Maybe not believable, but DEFINITELY more AWESOME!
 
2013-03-08 06:39:14 AM

wildcardjack: He's Uzbek. Which shares a boarder with Afghanistan. He was a draftee who went native in a culture close to his own. And I don't blame him.


What's the boarder's name? And why does he feel the need to rent a place in both countries?
 
2013-03-08 06:43:14 AM

Amos Quito: The Soviets fought the Afghans for 9 years - and lost. The US has been fighting the Afghans for 11 years - and lost.

Smart: Learning from your mistakes. Smarter: Learning from the mistakes of others.

Is the US STOOPID, or whut?


/Terr'rists


The US was dumb enough to fight 2 land wars in Asia at the same time.
 
2013-03-08 06:44:19 AM

Philbb: I guess it's similar but it's not the same. The Japanese personnel found on various pacific islands after the end of WWII were still fighting the war. This guy and others like him went native and dropped out of the war. Still makes for a decent headline though.


the story the headline is referencing wasn't some of the japanese still fighting the war though... There was this story about a former japanese pilot shot down on one of the Philippine islands. He took great care to avoid capture and lived off coconut and basic survival skills for 30 years. He not only didn't know the war ended, but when they came looking for him to tell him that the war was over, he didn't believe them. They brought his father in on a loudspeaker to try and convince him to come home and he thought the americans were pulling a trick on him. It finally took tracking down his former commanding officer to come out and relieve him of duty before he came back...

Was a very interesting story, saw it on a BBC program...
 
2013-03-08 06:46:08 AM
celebrarty.com
 
2013-03-08 06:46:39 AM

Philbb: I guess it's similar but it's not the same. The Japanese personnel found on various pacific islands after the end of WWII were still fighting the war. This guy and others like him went native and dropped out of the war. Still makes for a decent headline though.


Were they actually "fighting" or just hiding out and stealing food?
 
2013-03-08 06:57:21 AM
Me thinks there's more to lovin than to...  what rhymes with lovin>
 
2013-03-08 07:00:02 AM

priapic_abandon: [celebrarty.com image 487x600]


That Japanese sailor looks like Al Madrigal from The Daily Show.
 
2013-03-08 07:01:07 AM

priapic_abandon:


Dats wacist
 
2013-03-08 07:06:42 AM

Barricaded Gunman: priapic_abandon: [celebrarty.com image 487x600]

That Japanese sailor looks like Al Madrigal from The Daily Show.


And not lacist at arr.
 
2013-03-08 07:07:56 AM
Well now they blew his cover
 
2013-03-08 07:11:29 AM

Oldiron_79: Amos Quito: The Soviets fought the Afghans for 9 years - and lost. The US has been fighting the Afghans for 11 years - and lost.

Smart: Learning from your mistakes. Smarter: Learning from the mistakes of others.

Is the US STOOPID, or whut?


/Terr'rists

The US was dumb enough to fight 2 land wars in Asia at the same time.


It's really not a difficult strategy to win these wars but the way to do it is unthinkable to most Americans. We play by rules.

To win,
Kill every male above the age of 5. Start a process of aggressive interbreeding.
Any village that resists would be flattened with no survivors.Old style warfare with modern technology would be horrible.
Two generations later and it's a different world. The winner rewrites the history and 100 years after everyone is thankful that the US brought enlightenment tot he country. That how it will be taught in the public schools
I am NOT condoning this.
I'm saying it can be done but we do not have the fortitude to follow through.
 
2013-03-08 07:16:31 AM
I'm saying it can be done but we do not have the fortitude to follow through.
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-08 07:18:52 AM

Arkanaut: Philbb: I guess it's similar but it's not the same. The Japanese personnel found on various pacific islands after the end of WWII were still fighting the war. This guy and others like him went native and dropped out of the war. Still makes for a decent headline though.

Were they actually "fighting" or just hiding out and stealing food?


Are you asking about the Japanese soldier pictured above? He was still fighting. At one point he and his fellow soldiers got in a shootout with locals because the soldiers were burning the farmers rice harvest to prevent it contributing to the enemy. If they were just stealing food they would have just, you know, stolen the rice don't you think?
 
2013-03-08 07:33:03 AM

angrymonday: Oldiron_79: Amos Quito: The Soviets fought the Afghans for 9 years - and lost. The US has been fighting the Afghans for 11 years - and lost.

Smart: Learning from your mistakes. Smarter: Learning from the mistakes of others.

Is the US STOOPID, or whut?


/Terr'rists

The US was dumb enough to fight 2 land wars in Asia at the same time.

It's really not a difficult strategy to win these wars but the way to do it is unthinkable to most Americans. We play by rules.

To win,
Kill every male above the age of 5. Start a process of aggressive interbreeding.
Any village that resists would be flattened with no survivors.Old style warfare with modern technology would be horrible.
Two generations later and it's a different world. The winner rewrites the history and 100 years after everyone is thankful that the US brought enlightenment tot he country. That how it will be taught in the public schools
I am NOT condoning this.
I'm saying it can be done but we do not have the fortitude to follow through.




That's the old school way.
I suggest we take a note from the world wars: destroy all enemy strongholds, go house to house looking for resistance and then (this is the important part) rebuild the place in our own image. With an elected government and improved infrastructure.
Get the money flowing, develop a middle class, and they'll forget about their own warlike history in a generation.

/Any war can be won with the right tactics.
/But not when "war" is more profitable than "victory".
 
2013-03-08 07:34:59 AM

priapic_abandon:


Ah, hilarious old-timey racism. Is there anything that its horrible awkwardness and offensiveness can't make unintentionally hilarious.
 
2013-03-08 07:39:19 AM
"...there is a visible tic in his shoulder."

I hate invisible tics.  They burrow under your ballsack and you never know it.
 
2013-03-08 07:40:02 AM
Article says he's an ethnic Uzbek from Samarkand...
That city and region of the country mostly speaks Tajik/Persian....yup, same as the area around Herat.
Uzbek living among Russians and Persians now living among Persians and Pashtuns; non-story.
 
2013-03-08 07:42:07 AM

Oldiron_79: Amos Quito: The Soviets fought the Afghans for 9 years - and lost. The US has been fighting the Afghans for 11 years - and lost.

Smart: Learning from your mistakes. Smarter: Learning from the mistakes of others.

Is the US STOOPID, or whut?


/Terr'rists

The US was dumb enough to fight 2 land wars in Asia at the same time.


Well, even *IF* we lose Afghanistan (and the jury is still out on that one), we'd still have a 50% success rate.
 
2013-03-08 07:43:47 AM

way south: angrymonday: Oldiron_79: Amos Quito: The Soviets fought the Afghans for 9 years - and lost. The US has been fighting the Afghans for 11 years - and lost.

Smart: Learning from your mistakes. Smarter: Learning from the mistakes of others.

Is the US STOOPID, or whut?


/Terr'rists

The US was dumb enough to fight 2 land wars in Asia at the same time.

It's really not a difficult strategy to win these wars but the way to do it is unthinkable to most Americans. We play by rules.

To win,
Kill every male above the age of 5. Start a process of aggressive interbreeding.
Any village that resists would be flattened with no survivors.Old style warfare with modern technology would be horrible.
Two generations later and it's a different world. The winner rewrites the history and 100 years after everyone is thankful that the US brought enlightenment tot he country. That how it will be taught in the public schools
I am NOT condoning this.
I'm saying it can be done but we do not have the fortitude to follow through.



That's the old school way.
I suggest we take a note from the world wars: destroy all enemy strongholds, go house to house looking for resistance and then (this is the important part) rebuild the place in our own image. With an elected government and improved infrastructure.
Get the money flowing, develop a middle class, and they'll forget about their own warlike history in a generation.

/Any war can be won with the right tactics.
/But not when "war" is more profitable than "victory".


I say we go England -vs- Scotland on them.

/privilege of "First Night"
//if we can't out fight them, we'll out breed them.
 
2013-03-08 07:48:46 AM
i148.photobucket.com
'Who's that?'
"That's Uri. He's Russian"
'A deserter?'
"A defector. There are lots of them."
 
2013-03-08 07:51:19 AM

Oldiron_79: Amos Quito: The Soviets fought the Afghans for 9 years - and lost. The US has been fighting the Afghans for 11 years - and lost.

Smart: Learning from your mistakes. Smarter: Learning from the mistakes of others.

Is the US STOOPID, or whut?


/Terr'rists

The US was dumb enough to fight 2 land wars in Asia at the same time.


THANKS OBAMA!!!
 
2013-03-08 07:59:17 AM

Amos Quito: The Soviets fought the Afghans for 9 years - and lost. The US has been fighting the Afghans for 11 years - and lost.

Smart: Learning from your mistakes. Smarter: Learning from the mistakes of others.

Is the US STOOPID, or whut?


/Terr'rists


We lost? We kicked the Taliban out of power and the country has had a democratically elected government since then. We aren't leaving because the Taliban is overrunning the country, Vietnam-style. We are leaving because the Afghan government wants us out, and so do we. I wouldn't call it a real victory, since the Taliban is alive and well and still fighting, but I wouldn't call it a loss either. This is not a binary argument, so there are other states our withdrawing can result in.
 
2013-03-08 08:04:43 AM
shave that beard off and you can just imagine him saying

"They can have my kalashnikov, when they pry it from my cold, dead, hands"

/in Russian, of course
 
2013-03-08 08:10:49 AM
Now living under the name of Sheikh Abdullah and working as a traditional healer...

lostinreviews.com
 
2013-03-08 08:17:48 AM

PC LOAD LETTER: I wouldn't call it a real victory, since the Taliban is alive and well and still fighting, but I wouldn't call it a loss either.


You have to look at war the way they look at it. This is a long haul thing and only the end result matters.
If you attack, occupy, then leave and they flip the country five years later it counts as a "win" in their book.
They only "lose" if you drive the entire sect to extinction and leave a prosperous nation (or a lifeless crater) behind, otherwise its still game on.

/We could have called Vietnam a win or a draw, since the opposition didn't have a single victory.
/...Until we left and they took the whole show without resistance or retaliation from the west.
/But hey, we got a treaty signed!
 
2013-03-08 08:27:56 AM
i.ytimg.com

Yeah, well that Afghani weed will lay you out, man.
 
2013-03-08 08:31:28 AM

log_jammin: Japanese guys fighting after WWII ended = Red Dawn on an island

This guy = Dances with Wolves in Afghanistan

Amos Quinto = Simple Jack


Never go full retard
 
2013-03-08 08:36:50 AM
Did he have a mini sub?

celebrarty.com
 
2013-03-08 08:37:28 AM

wildcardjack: He's Uzbek. Which shares a boarder with Afghanistan. He was a draftee who went native in a culture close to his own. And I don't blame him.


Uzbeks.  The weak link in the chain of Socialism.

/Obscure?
 
2013-03-08 08:57:08 AM

macadamnut: [i.ytimg.com image 480x360]

Yeah, well that Afghani weed will lay you out, man.


Я не смотрел на его шее
 
2013-03-08 09:13:22 AM

way south: If you attack, occupy, then leave and they flip the country five years later it counts as a "win" in their book.


So why did they count it as a win when they attacked, won, and the US flipped it five years later?

\Because they're hypocrites, that's why
 
2013-03-08 09:15:10 AM

angrymonday: Oldiron_79: Amos Quito: The Soviets fought the Afghans for 9 years - and lost. The US has been fighting the Afghans for 11 years - and lost.

Smart: Learning from your mistakes. Smarter: Learning from the mistakes of others.

Is the US STOOPID, or whut?


/Terr'rists

The US was dumb enough to fight 2 land wars in Asia at the same time.

It's really not a difficult strategy to win these wars but the way to do it is unthinkable to most Americans. We play by rules.

To win,
Kill every male above the age of 5. Start a process of aggressive interbreeding.
Any village that resists would be flattened with no survivors.Old style warfare with modern technology would be horrible.
Two generations later and it's a different world. The winner rewrites the history and 100 years after everyone is thankful that the US brought enlightenment tot he country. That how it will be taught in the public schools
I am NOT condoning this.
I'm saying it can be done but we do not have the fortitude to follow through.


Genghis Khan approves
 
2013-03-08 09:17:09 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-08 09:50:22 AM

This text is now purple: way south: If you attack, occupy, then leave and they flip the country five years later it counts as a "win" in their book.

So why did they count it as a win when they attacked, won, and the US flipped it five years later?

\Because they're hypocrites, that's why


They might be, but it still doesn't matter how many things you blow up if the enemy commander ends up eating his lunch in your cafeteria.
The Taliban don't care if it takes a thousand years. The only way to stop them is to make sure the change is lasting and permanent. A cultural change.

Unfortunately (as withVietnam) there's just too much corruption for any lasting effect.
The people will grow tired and eventually go back to their old ways.
 
2013-03-08 09:53:39 AM
Kipling: Arithmetic on the Frontier.

And go to your gawd like a soldier.

Google is your friend.
 
2013-03-08 09:59:06 AM

CeroX: Philbb: I guess it's similar but it's not the same. The Japanese personnel found on various pacific islands after the end of WWII were still fighting the war. This guy and others like him went native and dropped out of the war. Still makes for a decent headline though.

the story the headline is referencing wasn't some of the japanese still fighting the war though... There was this story about a former japanese pilot shot down on one of the Philippine islands. He took great care to avoid capture and lived off coconut and basic survival skills for 30 years. He not only didn't know the war ended, but when they came looking for him to tell him that the war was over, he didn't believe them. They brought his father in on a loudspeaker to try and convince him to come home and he thought the americans were pulling a trick on him. It finally took tracking down his former commanding officer to come out and relieve him of duty before he came back...

Was a very interesting story, saw it on a BBC program...


You've got part of it right. The guy's name was Onoda, and he was actually sent there as part of a larger disruption unit. They were to collect intel, but also to do things like killing cattle, setting food stores on fire, taking pot shots at military personnel, etc. The Japanese had whole units devoted to this, and stuck them all over the battle space. Because of the nature of his orders ("You are going in clandestinely. They will try to lure you out. Only trust orders from me.") he wanted only his CO to tell him, and in person.

Check out his biography, he lays it all out:  http://books.google.com/books/about/No_Surrender.html?id=7tMt8Zr9Rp0C
 
2013-03-08 10:09:22 AM

way south: This text is now purple: way south: If you attack, occupy, then leave and they flip the country five years later it counts as a "win" in their book.

So why did they count it as a win when they attacked, won, and the US flipped it five years later?

\Because they're hypocrites, that's why

They might be, but it still doesn't matter how many things you blow up if the enemy commander ends up eating his lunch in your cafeteria.
The Taliban don't care if it takes a thousand years. The only way to stop them is to make sure the change is lasting and permanent. A cultural change.

Unfortunately (as withVietnam) there's just too much corruption for any lasting effect.
The people will grow tired and eventually go back to their old ways.


You have to draw the line somewhere, though.

What if, in 50 years, a new Nazi party gets voted into power in Germany.  Does that mean we lost WWII?
 
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