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2013-03-07 09:00:00 PM
8 votes:
Now the question will be how China reacts. We already know China is pissed at North Korea, after all China helped write and voted for the recent set of sanctions. The smart move will be to wait until Kim Jong Un starts an attack. Although he is being aggressive, neither the US nor South Korea should fire the first shot.
2013-03-07 09:05:38 PM
7 votes:
i'm SO glad we put most of our operational military in the middle east to protect Israel from the consequences of their own stupidity.  oooo!  plus the GOP slap fight over taxes that ended up with the sequester cuts and impacting military readiness.  awesome job guys!  thanks!
2013-03-07 08:58:16 PM
7 votes:
To be fair, this does mean the South can kill North Korean leadership whenever they want since they are legally back to open war.
2013-03-07 09:10:28 PM
6 votes:

make me some tea: Weaver95: i'm SO glad we put most of our operational military in the middle east to protect Israel from the consequences of their own stupidity.  oooo!  plus the GOP slap fight over taxes that ended up with the sequester cuts and impacting military readiness.  awesome job guys!  thanks!

I think at this point, it will take yet another "shiat getting real" moment to break the political blockades.


unless something directly and personally deeply affects each and every individual Republican member of congress....they won't change.  they'll still believe the echo chamber version of events and not reality as it stands.
2013-03-07 08:51:02 PM
6 votes:
So MASH is back on, then?
2013-03-07 09:10:44 PM
5 votes:
encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com

If China doesn't support them (and come on, who would they rather lose their biggest trading partner or constant shiat-stirrers?), then the potential war will last all of 5 farking seconds.
2013-03-07 09:03:58 PM
5 votes:
teamboehner.com

Hopefully they destroy America so that Obama looks bad!
2013-03-07 09:02:08 PM
5 votes:
Firstly, cut all support for the north. ALL.
Second, demand that any future aid be requested for on their public radio and television.
Third, Sink all of their navy the second they get militant. ALL of it. to include civilian vessels.
2013-03-07 08:59:41 PM
5 votes:
DAMMIT, RODMAN!
2013-03-07 08:59:19 PM
5 votes:
The entire world, including China, would squash NK if things got too out of hand and they know it.
2013-03-07 08:58:26 PM
5 votes:
Somebody needs to wake up with Dennis Rodman's head in their bed.
2013-03-07 09:49:48 PM
4 votes:
Havent read the whole thread, has this been postet yet?

media.animevice.com
2013-03-07 09:43:22 PM
4 votes:
Weaver95:
by the time we got our troops in theatre enough to do anything effective, we'd have lost most of south korea, if not all of it.  there's even a chance the Norks could hit Japan.  for extra giggles, NK could rack off some rounds at Taiwan.  meanwhile, we'll spend time bogged down in debate about sequester cuts and who's gonna pay for the logistics requires to recall our reservists, get 'em combat ready and geared, then put them on the ground in theater.  forget about any sort of economic recover - not only did those spending cuts kick us in the nuts, we also just took a lot of reservists out of the economy and put 'em on the front lines.

Why does everyone assume that the South Koreans are total pansies, and would get rolled?  They've spent the past 60 years building up their military as well.  They might not have the sheer mass of men under arms that the North has, but THEIR troops are actually fed, and they most certainly have better force multipliers.
2013-03-07 09:18:43 PM
4 votes:

Carth: NK would overrun the south in 48-72 hours after destroying Seoul. We'd be forced to retake the damn peninsula.


arch.413chan.net

No. No they wouldn't. Not without the support of the Chinese PLA. The fact you buy the propaganda they put out about "leveling Seoul" is hillarious.
2013-03-07 09:18:04 PM
4 votes:

Weaver95: i'm SO glad we put most of our operational military in the middle east to protect Israel from the consequences of their own stupidity.  oooo!  plus the GOP slap fight over taxes that ended up with the sequester cuts and impacting military readiness.  awesome job guys!  thanks!


Yup, the week old sequester has really slashed readiness.  The troops aren't training at all... Oh wait, yes they are.  My wife is going out in the field next week, and I could literally hear the 240 fire from my house earlier this afternoon, and I got to wait in traffic while the artillery pieces from the FA battalion rolled past on their way out the gate to the firing ranges.  And the Kiowas that flew over my house, while I was typing this... yeah, I must have just imagined that.

Currently, there are about 68,000 troops in Afghanistan, and 20,000 in the Middle East, the majority in Kuwait.

We have 52,000 troops in Japan, and 28,000 in Korea.

We currently have 1,450,000 on active duty, and another 850,000 in reserve.

I'm thinking we're good.
2013-03-07 09:15:41 PM
4 votes:

Great Janitor: I say we just drop one nuclear bomb and end this one real fast.


That would be a very bad move. The fallout would land almost entirely on China, and South Korean. That would be bad, mmkay. We'd be much better having a bunch of drone jockeys level the place.
2013-03-07 09:00:02 PM
4 votes:

seadoo2006: Ooooh, yay, another full-scale ground war the US is going to be in ... is this a repeat from the 1950s?


Not hardly because China is not Best Korea's BFF anymore.
2013-03-07 08:59:35 PM
4 votes:
The food shortage must be pretty bad this time.
2013-03-07 08:59:30 PM
4 votes:
Way to go, Rodman.
2013-03-07 08:55:39 PM
4 votes:
$20 says if they go for a first strike 90% of their fixed artillery explodes trying to send off the first round.
2013-03-07 08:37:38 PM
4 votes:
I'm growing bored of this little crazy baby man. When can we replace him?
2013-03-08 02:52:47 PM
3 votes:
img560.imageshack.us
2013-03-08 12:34:30 AM
3 votes:
K. NK.  We did not give a shiat. We were willing to give you aid and ignore ninety percent of what you did. You are  really farking yourselves in the ass here, so this would be a great time to shut up and say 'we are really sorry, please continue to give us food'.

Seriously. We can and will curbstomp you. And the people will  farking thank us because you're such assholes.
2013-03-07 10:56:28 PM
3 votes:

Marcintosh: No, sorry no revisionists under this roof. Poor, lazy wording in play here. Thanks for the schoolin' tho-


No problem! I've just met my fair share of them on FARK. The Revisionism is one of the reasons that the Chinese and Japanese still can't set in the same room with eachother. Unlike Germany, the Japanese shame comes from losing WWII, not from commiting acts of inhuman genocide.

Rwa2play: The Japanese military where just a bunch of reactionairy asswipes that dragged the whole government along with them. That is all.


Oh no, it was far more than the Japanese Military. It was racism at the highest levels of the Government, the emperor himself even. The Nanking Massacre itsself was conducted with the blessing of Prince Asaka himself.

Only Hirohito and his family got a free pass thanks to the US realizing that they would never be able to build a country without the Emperor's backing. You have to remember that, to the Japanese people, this man was a living God. They were willing to commit acts of suicide en masse at his command without even a second thought.

So Tojo and every other Class-A war criminal took the blame, and the US went with it gladly because they could easily buy the peace of the Japanese people during occupation. There were suprisingly few acts of terrorism and retaliation when compared with Germany during the post-war period.
2013-03-07 10:12:39 PM
3 votes:

tinyarena: [i2.cdn.turner.com image 250x250]
Here's a bunch of people who have no idea what they're in for.


Look at that pudgy little fark next to those poor almost skeletal guys. I think that's what stuck in my craw most about that idiot f*ck Rodman. You're enjoying a feast with that fat f*ck despot while his starving people eat their own dead children. And you talk about what a swell guy he is.
2013-03-07 09:59:46 PM
3 votes:

Wanebo: AnythingBacon: The last thing in the world we'll do is drop a nuke, even in retaliation.

After having visited Hiroshima and Nagasaki I'd have to say your statement is one of the most stupid statements I have ever encountered in my life. The possibility of politicians and statesmen doing the impossible is legendary and gruesome.

Are you really that bereft of sense?


Oh goodie. I love World War II historical revisionism/negationism.

Since you want to compare the unthinkable, would  you like to also present the fact that a land invasion would have continued the war for at least a year, cost hundreds of thousands if not million+ Allied soldiers as well as Japanese people, and could have forseeably resulted in the genocide of the Japanese people?

It was two horrible options. Truman had to choose the lesser of two evils.
2013-03-07 09:57:48 PM
3 votes:
All I have to say is this better not interfere with the launch of the Samsung Galaxy S IV.
2013-03-07 09:55:31 PM
3 votes:

Carth: Thanks! Pictures of ponies and old blog posts! How about we talk about more recent reports like FAS report on North Korean nuclear capabilities, the IISS report on their chemical and biological weapons and the US's own North Korea South Korea war scenario?


/spoiler US wins but tens of millions of people die


The report you linked to basically says North Korea has the technology that the US had Pre-trinity shot in 1945, and no way to deliver it. Fantasies about loading them in container ships on sucide runs are just that. For comparison, Trinity shot was 20kT. All of the missile systems that the NKs use are based on the SCUD-D platform, which the Patriot Theatre ABM System, CURRENTLY deployed in theatre, has a 99.5% kill rate with, as well as the AEGIS C&C system deployed on US ships using the SM-3 missile platform.

Sorry. I fail to be afraid of what is basically the same pitty posturing that dear leader dad did before him.

The Chinese are not going to help Kimmy either. They have far more to lose by a war in NK, than they do to gain.
2013-03-07 09:51:23 PM
3 votes:

Wanebo: AnythingBacon: The last thing in the world we'll do is drop a nuke, even in retaliation.

After having visited Hiroshima and Nagasaki I'd have to say your statement is one of the most stupid statements I have ever encountered in my life. The possibility of politicians and statesmen doing the impossible is legendary and gruesome.

Are you really that bereft of sense?


That's exactly why we wouldn't. When those were launched we had very little intel in long term effects of that brutal device. Politicians only know one thing anymore, CYA. They face too many ramifications and penalties both here and internationally to risk nukes as anything but a last resort. Regardless, we have better and more efficient devices and tactics now with critical knowledge on how to actually use them.

Nukes aren't a one and done anymore... Mostly kept to ensure mutually assured destruction.

/Slashies
2013-03-07 09:43:22 PM
3 votes:

Great Janitor: hardinparamedic: Great Janitor: Okay, instead of drones, bombers under fighter jet escort, to the largest North Korean city, bomb it until it is a memory. Repeat until they surrender or until there is no such thing as a North Korean. Better that then sending our troops into yet another ground war.

So, a war crime, then?

Because it's pretty commonly accepted that carpet-bombing civilian areas went out of vogue at the end of World War II, and was a pretty ineffective and dick move in Vietnam.

Yeah, I thought of that, but if North Korea started a war, how soon would the North Korean government start conscripting all males in the country 17 years and older?  The North Korean government does have a policy of requiring all males to serve in the military for a couple of years.  So it isn't so much killing civilians as taking out reserved forces.


One of the great evils and hypocrisies of our current era is how we can let the unjust rule the just in cruel and inhumane manners. The world has stood by and let North Korea torture and kill its own civilians for years and done nothing. Speak with more respect for people who had no choice in the country they were born into, and deserve none of the ill will your comment or the world intends to shower upon them.
2013-03-07 09:34:51 PM
3 votes:
iambrony.steeph.tp-radio.de
2013-03-07 09:31:24 PM
3 votes:

Tom_Slick: DeltaPunch: On a more serious note, does it mean anything that China also voted to toughen sanctions against NK? Do they usually vote that way, or is this something new?

As far as I know, it is something new, as in North Korea you are farking up our relationship with our largest trade partner so STFU. My guess is there will be some actions by Best Korea that will justify an Air Strike that kills Dear Leader and a puppet for the Chinese Government will take his place.


I'm pretty sure China will just raise its hand say "We've got this". Then China will drag NK into a room and come out an hour later zipping it's fly and wiping blood off its hands and say "Won't be anymore trouble out of that one."
2013-03-07 09:28:50 PM
3 votes:
DENNIS!

FARKING!


oi45.tinypic.com
RODMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN! !!! !!!
2013-03-07 09:26:45 PM
3 votes:

Weaver95: devildog123:

I'm thinking we're good.

And yet, i'm thinking we're not.


Seriously, if Un had his troops crossed the border tomorrow, or even in the next few months, what part of the sequester would effect our response?  Most of our combat troops at this point are actually combat veterans, and I doubt they're going to forget how to fight in the next few months, even if all they did was lay around at home and drink beer (which, I promise you, they aren't doing).  Do you think they wouldn't bump up military funding if we had to go balls deep in Korea?  Would a war be good?  Of course not.  I'm just saying, we have the resources to handle it.  Only in your little mind are all our troops camped out in Israel, defending those evil zionists you hate so much.
2013-03-07 09:23:58 PM
3 votes:

Tellurium: Please nuke Washington. A fresh start is about the best thing we can expect from that place anymore.


On behalf of of all us who live with our families in the Metro DC area, go fark yourself.
2013-03-07 09:21:25 PM
3 votes:
images3.wikia.nocookie.net

This is just a hissy fit over the latest rounds of sanctions that was unanimously approved by the UN Security Council today.
2013-03-07 09:17:00 PM
3 votes:

Prickly Pete: I hope we see a unified Korea in our lifetimes.


The logistics are an absolute nightmare, in every sense of the word, but I would love to see North Koreans free and able to experience the world and all it has to offer.
2013-03-07 09:13:21 PM
3 votes:
Hey NK!
4.bp.blogspot.com
2013-03-07 09:12:13 PM
3 votes:

DeltaPunch: On a more serious note, does it mean anything that China also voted to toughen sanctions against NK? Do they usually vote that way, or is this something new?


As far as I know, it is something new, as in North Korea you are farking up our relationship with our largest trade partner so STFU. My guess is there will be some actions by Best Korea that will justify an Air Strike that kills Dear Leader and a puppet for the Chinese Government will take his place.
2013-03-07 09:08:29 PM
3 votes:

Churchy LaFemme: You know what would solve this little crisis?

MOAR TAX CUTS!


but only for the top 1%.  tax cuts for the middle class make us fat, lazy and librul.
2013-03-07 09:04:01 PM
3 votes:
Is this one of those things where he is trying to solidify support in the country by showing how much of a badass he is and how he won't take shiat from anyone?
Does this mean the military is getting uppity questioning if Kim 3 is really a good leader?
2013-03-07 09:02:03 PM
3 votes:

seadoo2006: Ooooh, yay, another full-scale ground war the US is going to be in ... is this a repeat from the 1950s?


My dad fought in the first Korean War so I bet I get a good job in the second one. You know, because I'm a legacy.
2013-03-07 08:58:48 PM
3 votes:

namegoeshere: So MASH is back on, then?


Suicide is painless fat punk leader.
2013-03-07 08:58:42 PM
3 votes:

WTF Indeed: namegoeshere: So MASH is back on, then?

I smell M.A.S.H. reunion.


They're going to need a new Colonel Potter.

/sad
2013-03-07 08:56:54 PM
3 votes:

namegoeshere: So MASH is back on, then?


We missed a golden opportunity for a 4077 headline reference.
2013-03-08 10:36:47 PM
2 votes:

chewd: [img560.imageshack.us image 850x895]


p.twimg.com
2013-03-08 06:32:21 PM
2 votes:
Between the ITGs and the videogame generals, this thread is a derpstorm of stupid. I'm glad we've got actual grownups in charge of foreign policy. KJU can say any stupid thing he wants. He can't attack anyone, because he has only a tiny handful of long-range missiles, and no nukes small enough to use as warheads. He can't invade South Korea, because he doesn't have the logistics ability to put an army in the field that could make it through the DMZ. He's talking out his ass, and the White House knows it, which is why they're ratcheting up the sanctions and ignoring the silly war threats.

If anything happens, it'll be some lame ass crap like shelling a South Korean island, or torpedoing one of their ships again.
2013-03-08 09:47:26 AM
2 votes:
666th comment is pony-related muhahahaha
dashie.mylittlefacewhen.com
2013-03-08 08:56:31 AM
2 votes:

BlackCat23: msupf: mootmah: bob_ross: [s12.postimage.org image 600x400]
Soon...

Haven't those been De-commissioned?

they get mothballed, and then pulled back into service. Pilots love the damn ugly beasts, they are still highly effective, and they have a great psychological effect on the battlefield.

Michigan nat'l guard has a full wing of them, but that may change this year.

/still remember watching them fly patrol over SE michigan on and shortly after 9/11

CT used to have them, a good friend of mine was a pilot. It was a shameful day when we lost them. But yeah, many were refit from 99-02, new wing reenforcements, nav, avionics, etc. We've just learned to use them sparingly, it seems. They do have a finite life, afterall.

and yeah, the stories I've heard about the shock value of the sound. No other plane sounds like it, barring some bombadier(iirc) that uses the same engines. And the gun is demoralizing. I've been in awe of that plane since I was a kid, and a lot of my best memories revolve around it.

/they used to do the parades in the summer, and it was tradition to buzz friends/families houses
//they gave no farks, and did some crazy shiat. Incredible pilots.
///I miss seeing those crazy farks flying MoE


According to wikipedia there are still 345 Thunderbolt II's in service, currently scheduled to be flying till 2028, with some being phased out starting in 2018.

Oh, and North Korea?  Why haven't you come at me yet, bro?  I thought you were coming at me bro.  What's going on, bro?

i0.kym-cdn.com
2013-03-08 08:55:55 AM
2 votes:
Jesus, people.  Enough with the My Little Pony bullshiat!  What the fark, are you 10 years old?
2013-03-08 02:49:14 AM
2 votes:

Outshined_One: Welp, if they nuke Seoul, I don't think anyone would keep the US from turning Best Korea into Second Best Korea.


If Best Korea nukes Seoul, China invades Best Korea to keep us from doing it, because the last thing China wants is the US military occupying a country on their border. Regardless, Pyongyang will be rubble in minutes after the attack on Seoul.

All that said, nothing will come of this latest aggression by Best Korea. We are effectively ignoring the petulant children in charge of NK, and letting the UN deal with them.
2013-03-08 01:16:43 AM
2 votes:

Phil Moskowitz: How did a North Korea thread get so gay and kiddie fiddlerish?


I love  random Rosarch comments like this. It lets you know who to never leave your kids with.
2013-03-08 12:33:59 AM
2 votes:
"Anyone wanting to commit American ground forces to the mainland of Asia should have his head examined." - Douglas MacArthur
2013-03-08 12:23:53 AM
2 votes:
That idiot Truman sHould have just let him finish the job...

2.bp.blogspot.com
2013-03-08 12:19:47 AM
2 votes:

Twilight Farkle: Either most the world's billionaires are wrong (always a possibility!), but the high probability outcome is that those with access to resources far greater than you or I have decided that NK's threats are empty.


Best Korea's strategy has been to wait out the Americans leaving, and then use their Korean superiority to overwhelm the decadent South. Well, two land wars in Asia later and the 2nd ID is still parked at the DMZ. And the 'decadent' South is about ready to write up a check to buy up the North.

Then Khan comes around and asks ol' Jong-iL how much he'd pay for the instruction manual on making a nuclear bomb.  Nowthey have the weapon that will make the South and America cower before them! Only nukes are finicky things and they're still trying to make do with allegedly '70s technology. But they somehow do make it work. Kinda. We think.

Only now they've managed to piss off their only friend left in the world. See, Beijing was fine and dandy with the Kims starving their people just as long as it meant they didn't share a land border with an American ally. But now Best Korea is Openly Aggresive Nuclear Korea and that's hosing China's plans for local dominance. So now China votes 'no nukes' and the North is left wondering just how they're gonna scare off the Americans now.

Everyone knows the North would get its ass handed back to it in a shooting war. Nobody there wants a war, least of all North Korea. So the markets are being, well, rational.

And then there's that voice in the back of my head that keeps mumbling something about 1914 and marches of folly...
2013-03-07 11:38:05 PM
2 votes:
How to stop a North Korean invasion of SK -- park one of these at the border:

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2013-03-07 11:14:59 PM
2 votes:
i1182.photobucket.com
2013-03-07 11:09:28 PM
2 votes:

J. Frank Parnell: Satanic_Hamster: You should see his flouride conspiracy posts.

I don't think i've spoken about that in years. But there's no conspiracy. Sodium fluoride is the primary and active ingredient in rat poison. Tubes of toothpaste have warnings about swallowing even small amounts of it. There's all kinds of evidence in plain view, the average person is just naive and stupid. A cover up isn't even needed. It's Darwinism in action.

/crazy like a fox!


You do realise (just as an aside) that sodium fluoroacetate (aka 1080) hasn't really been EPA registered for use in rat poison for years, and its most common use is actually under fairly strict licensing conditions for poisoning of predators, right?  (And a lot of that is because 1080 really IS stonking dangerous, rather more dangerous to us primates and to carnivores like dogs and cats than to rats.  Probably the most widespread use worldwide anymore is in Australia and New Zealand to kill feral non-native animals--marsupials, as it turns out, aren't terribly sensitive to it.)

Sodium fluoride (and stannous fluoride, and Fluorostat or sodium monofluorophosphate) are rather different, and the main reason it's warned not to swallow them is the theoretical risk of fluorosis--basically causing mottling of the bones and (ironically) weakening of the teeth.   (1080 actually kills much quicker and a lot of its action is as a neurodisruptor.)

It's pretty much the difference between water, ethanol, and methanol--one pretty much won't hurt you unless you drink enough to throw electrolyte balance way out of whack or you immerse yourself in it longer than you can hold your breath, one starts getting lethally toxic around the 30ml/L level, and the last will make you blind at very best and quite likely kill you. :D

To get this thread back on its proper point, though...with this latest sillybuggers, I hope that if the Korean mountain gods exist that they have a very special place prepared for Kim Jong-Un, because he may have just proven he's the craziest pretender to the Korean throne since Prince Sado (who became known for his murderous excesses, and eventually was put down by his father King Yeongjo by being sealed in a rice chest for eight days until he died).

/frankly thinking the rice chest might be too good for Un at this point--if he does go full nuketard, I vote that just this once we bring back scaphism or the "death of the boats" (warning: NSFLunch) as a sign that Some Shiat Isn't Tolerated
2013-03-07 10:57:08 PM
2 votes:
So... every thread on Fark is kind of a pony thread now, huh?

Lame.
2013-03-07 10:51:41 PM
2 votes:
Hey NK!
i685.photobucket.com

Come on bro, we've been waiting.  Why aint you coming at me yet, bro.
2013-03-07 10:33:12 PM
2 votes:

Marcintosh: military technology
? US companies sell them military technology ? WTF is THAT all about?

BTW do you really think the kid is running the show at this point?

Sanctions (as far as I've read) are what started the Pacific War Theater. No oil imports with winter coming on and that sort of thing.


Sanctions imposed as a direct result of the atrocities commited by the Japanese in the Far East, including the Rape of Nanking. Ignoring the fact that the Imperial Japanese Army had been aquiring Liebensbaum for the better half of the 20th century in Asia up until that point, and raping and murdering their way through China, Korea, and every island they could get their hands on.

Please, don't drink the Historical Revisionist Kool-Aid. The Japanese were not the victims.
2013-03-07 10:28:16 PM
2 votes:
i.imgur.com

Oh for Fark's sake, first Las Pegasus implodes, now the next big con has to be held in the smoldering crater and involves everyone LARPing to Fallout:Equestria. This is the WORST. POSSIBLE. THING. But seriously, folks, what's going to happen is this:

1) Not a shot will be fired.
2) Just because the nonaggression pact's over (at least until Un changes his mind) doesn't require Un to attack.
3) The general rule is that even if you're batshiat crazy enough to start a "preemptive" nuclear war, you just do it, and you certainly don't telegraph your intentions by making your attack contingent on your adversary's cancellation of routine military exercises on March 11th.

i.imgur.com

4) Here's what I was originally going to use before this thread went full pony, except that Rodman was going to be the thin man that would have been a wasteful fizzle, and then an actual thin man showed up in the first GIS result. "Thanks, Rodman."
2013-03-07 10:17:18 PM
2 votes:
hawcian:
The stone age would be an improvement for some of the country.

QFT.  NK is one of the few places that could be nuked forward into the stone age.
2013-03-07 10:17:11 PM
2 votes:

Non-evil Monkey: If it comes to shooting, China will either sit on the sidelines (after making it abundantly clear that American and South Korean troops are not to cross their border under any circumstances) or simply invade North Korea themselves since if it's going to happen anyways. they might as well do it on their own terms.  The mere fact they voted for the sanctions instead of vetoing it tells us that it's pretty much a forgone conclusion that they will not back North Korea should they start another war.


Of course as always with North Korea, this could just be another case of a day ending in "y",  any Farkers know if have they ever explicitly shredded the ceasefire agreement before?


Explicitly? No. Not that I am aware of. Not unless you count the various actions over the years (including the so-called "Second Korean War" between 1966 and 1969) that have been a bit of saber rattling, often from both sides. In 1994, there was some concern that the situation was becoming heated enough under Kim Jong-Il that there might be action, but Kim backed down (as usual). In the mid 90's, again, there was strong rhetoric, but again, Kim backed down.

This is the first time that I am aware of that North Korea has abrogated the truce.

Technically, the two nations have been at war since the 50's, since it is a cease-fire/truce, and not a peace treaty. So it's less a matter of "starting" a war than it is "continuing" one that's been ongoing for about 60 years. This Kim is young--and too stupid to know when to take the cotton out of his ears and stick it in his mouth. His father was a moron, too, but he had the good sense to know when to STFU and go sit in a corner before he pissed anyone off too much. This joker doesn't, and now he's pissed off China--not a good idea. I suspect either the DPRK will soon either be a Chinese territory or the Chinese will quietly agree to stand aside while the US or South Korea does whatever needs done in the event of an attack, then afterwards, China will register a strongly worded but non-binding protest about it as Korea becomes a single country. Alternately, China will tell this kid to STFU and go watch some damn basketball while the grownups talk.
2013-03-07 10:11:19 PM
2 votes:
Lil Kim just got dealt these and wants to step up the game:

farm4.staticflickr.com farm4.staticflickr.com
2013-03-07 10:08:00 PM
2 votes:

Zeno-25: Weaver95: by the time we got our troops in theatre enough to do anything effective, we'd have lost most of south korea, if not all of it. there's even a chance the Norks could hit Japan. for extra giggles, NK could rack off some rounds at Taiwan.


Uh, what? South Korea has quite the capable military. Zerg rushes are one thing, the logistics of supply lines are another. To give some idea as to how modern the SK military is, their navy has ships equipped with the Aegis system (along with Japan and South Korea). SK also has mandatory two-year conscription, 640,000 active personnel and  nearly three million reserves.

The South could win a war on their own without international help. It'd be ugly, but the North doesn't have the economy to win a drawn-out major conventional war no matter how much surprise or luck are on their side. Several treaties would preclude this from happening though, for better or worse.


A lot of this. SK isn't stupid, and they aren't some little US protectorate with no military of their own. That are a born-in-the-cold war era western style nation that's lived in the shadow of NK, China, and Russia. They have a BIG, capable, modern military filled with people who know an all out war to the death could appear at any moment, right in the heart of their homeland.

Love you SK, love your BBQ, love your gadgets and I even like your cars, but fark fermented cabbage, wtf.
2013-03-07 10:04:40 PM
2 votes:

Lost Thought 00: Unless NK manages to phase through the DMZ, it's impossible to not involve us


Just because there's some US soldiers there doesn't mean there will be immediate revenge taken upon whoever kills them. They'll be called "heroes who bravely gave their lives defending freedom". Medals and flags will be given to their next of kin. Maybe there will be a TV special. Then it's just a brief note in the history books.
2013-03-07 10:04:38 PM
2 votes:

BorgiaGinz: Tellurium: Please nuke Washington. A fresh start is about the best thing we can expect from that place anymore.

On behalf of of all us who live with our families in the Metro DC area, go fark yourself.


Thank you.
2013-03-07 10:01:16 PM
2 votes:

Wanebo: AnythingBacon: The last thing in the world we'll do is drop a nuke, even in retaliation.

After having visited Hiroshima and Nagasaki I'd have to say your statement is one of the most stupid statements I have ever encountered in my life.


Visiting Hiroshima doesn't give you any more expertise on the issue than anyone else, and it isn't stupid; you're being hyperbolic.

Is it possible?  Yeah, but I don't think it is likely, in part because of Hiroshima.  Everyone knows how horrendous those things are, and we've developed a bunch of alternatives for exactly that reason.  They don't only hurt the people you drop them on.  They're the most ham-fisted military instrument in the arsenal and they come with a huge number of social and diplomatic repercussions.  They exist now almost solely as deterrents via MAD.  If someone is ACTUALLY stupid enough to launch a nuclear attack, nukes have already failed at their primary purpose and unless the country launching them actually has enough nuclear capability to significantly damage our ability to retaliate (and NK certainly doesn't), I really don't think we're going to push the button.  We will retaliate quickly, however, and with overwhelming force.
2013-03-07 10:00:37 PM
2 votes:

Weaver95: by the time we got our troops in theatre enough to do anything effective, we'd have lost most of south korea, if not all of it. there's even a chance the Norks could hit Japan. for extra giggles, NK could rack off some rounds at Taiwan.



Uh, what? South Korea has quite the capable military. Zerg rushes are one thing, the logistics of supply lines are another. To give some idea as to how modern the SK military is, their navy has ships equipped with the Aegis system (along with Japan and South Korea). SK also has mandatory two-year conscription, 640,000 active personnel and  nearly three million reserves.

The South could win a war on their own without international help. It'd be ugly, but the North doesn't have the economy to win a drawn-out major conventional war no matter how much surprise or luck are on their side. Several treaties would preclude this from happening though, for better or worse.
2013-03-07 09:49:10 PM
2 votes:
HEY KIM:
oi50.tinypic.com
2013-03-07 09:47:55 PM
2 votes:
home.earthlink.net

/Those who do not remember the past...
//Of course NK probably doesn't have as many vehicles
2013-03-07 09:47:50 PM
2 votes:

Happy Hours: namegoeshere: So MASH is back on, then?

That would be the best thing that happened to TV in the last 30 years


The best thing to happen to TV would be if the Korean nukes landed on Madison Avenue.
2013-03-07 09:47:27 PM
2 votes:

hardinparamedic: Carth: NK would overrun the south in 48-72 hours after destroying Seoul. We'd be forced to retake the damn peninsula.

[arch.413chan.net image 587x335]

No. No they wouldn't. Not without the support of the Chinese PLA. The fact you buy the propaganda they put out about "leveling Seoul" is hillarious.


What about their biological and chemical weapons, and ability to

hardinparamedic: Carth: NK would overrun the south in 48-72 hours after destroying Seoul. We'd be forced to retake the damn peninsula.

[arch.413chan.net image 587x335]

No. No they wouldn't. Not without the support of the Chinese PLA. The fact you buy the propaganda they put out about "leveling Seoul" is hillarious.


Thanks! Pictures of ponies and old blog posts! How about we talk about more recent reports like  FAS report on North Korean nuclear capabilities, the IISS report on their chemical  and biological weapons and the US's own North  Korea South Korea war scenario?


/spoiler US wins but tens of millions of people die
2013-03-07 09:45:20 PM
2 votes:
img836.imageshack.us

img199.imageshack.us

Uh oh!
2013-03-07 09:44:15 PM
2 votes:

Hey, Kim Jong-un...

i1156.photobucket.com
2013-03-07 09:43:57 PM
2 votes:
neongoats:
Uh, I like you and stuff. But we are still technically at war with Best Korea. There will be no congressional hand wringing about what to do about Korea.

are you at ALL familiar with the Republican party...?
2013-03-07 09:42:54 PM
2 votes:

cc_rider: Oh yeah, that'll show 'em.

I feel bad for the starving North Koreans who don't give a shiat about any of this. May this horrible regime collapse peacefully and soon-ish


I recently came across a video of a train in North Korea ( I am something of a train enthusiast and you know how that youtube shiat goes, one thing lead to another etc).  It is a steam locomotive. An old steam locomotive. And for fuel it is burning old rubber tires as it trundles through an absolutely barren landscape.

Sad.

North Best Korea is incapable of sustained conflict.
2013-03-07 09:37:57 PM
2 votes:
THIS THREAD HAS JUST GONE PONY!

narwhaler.com
2013-03-07 09:36:23 PM
2 votes:

devildog123: Weaver95: devildog123:

I'm thinking we're good.

And yet, i'm thinking we're not.

Seriously, if Un had his troops crossed the border tomorrow, or even in the next few months, what part of the sequester would effect our response?  Most of our combat troops at this point are actually combat veterans, and I doubt they're going to forget how to fight in the next few months, even if all they did was lay around at home and drink beer (which, I promise you, they aren't doing).  Do you think they wouldn't bump up military funding if we had to go balls deep in Korea?  Would a war be good?  Of course not.  I'm just saying, we have the resources to handle it.  Only in your little mind are all our troops camped out in Israel, defending those evil zionists you hate so much.


by the time we got our troops in theatre enough to do anything effective, we'd have lost most of south korea, if not all of it.  there's even a chance the Norks could hit Japan.  for extra giggles, NK could rack off some rounds at Taiwan.  meanwhile, we'll spend time bogged down in debate about sequester cuts and who's gonna pay for the logistics requires to recall our reservists, get 'em combat ready and geared, then put them on the ground in theater.  forget about any sort of economic recover - not only did those spending cuts kick us in the nuts, we also just took a lot of reservists out of the economy and put 'em on the front lines.

then when we redeploy, Iran gets to ramp up their efforts to build a nuclear weapon.  Israel gets f*cking paranoid as hell and if we're not around to calm 'em down, they might decide to kick off WWIII in the middle east.

end result?  we get f*cked from both ends, the GOP blames Obama and our country implodes into economic instability and political chaos.
2013-03-07 09:36:17 PM
2 votes:

IamAwake: hardinparamedic: hat would lead to a nuclear retaliation by China the moment a fallout cloud drifts over their border.

how in the world would they be able to distinguish it from the polluted air they already have/make?


The current stuff makes you choke.

The new stuff will make you choke as you grow a second head and develop lymphoma.
2013-03-07 09:36:05 PM
2 votes:
"The sanctions include wider bans on the sale of military technology and luxury goods, including gems, pearl jewellery, yachts and luxury cars."

Oh yeah, that'll show 'em.

I feel bad for the starving North Koreans who don't give a shiat about any of this. May this horrible regime collapse peacefully and soon-ish.
2013-03-07 09:34:28 PM
2 votes:

Satanic_Hamster: Hey NK!
[4.bp.blogspot.com image 680x717]


Release the BASS CANNON!

25.media.tumblr.com
2013-03-07 09:33:50 PM
2 votes:
global3.memecdn.com
2013-03-07 09:32:02 PM
2 votes:
The last thing in the world we'll do is drop a nuke, even in retaliation. Honestly It's one of the few rational fears I have that the first to drop a nuke will be retaliated against by all other capable nations regardless of loyalties and treaties. One detonation by any of the power player nations will also give excuse for other conflicts to start chain reaction style... India and Pakistan, Israel and everybody else in the mid east ect... too much too far apart to clean the mess and play world police like we like to do.

If we get involved in NK whether they try to nuke or not, we will likely use drones to hammer key installations and limit armored barricade as SK and us forces cross the DMZ. A land war is the most PC way to invade, and if done at night will be safer for the soldiers involved... Doubt NK has night vision, but if they do it would be old tech and not as efficient.

Regardless, If anything happens, It's likely to be fairly quick in my mind. I could be overconfident, but I also believe that quality always beats quantity. As long as the war commander in charge isn't stupid or arrogant about any of this we're fine. China will probably stay out and focus on refugee control unless directly provoked... Probably by Japan, but I doubt any of them are that stupid... I hope

/I've played Risk so I know what I'm talking about
//Got killed at Strategos
2013-03-07 09:31:19 PM
2 votes:

pxlboy: neongoats: fark you NK.

Am I here early enough to stop the "container ship" retards yet?

I'm punching the first pants wetting container ship wackjob in the nuts.

?


In all the other North Korea threads, the pants shiatters are deathly afraid of North Korea sending a container ship to San Francisco with a sooper sekrit nuke secreted away in it. Because we wouldn't see a container ship. Because that's Kkkkraaazy and insane. So it just might work!

You know, unlike putting one on a submarine or something.
2013-03-07 09:22:39 PM
2 votes:
Sure, a bunch of Worst Koreans would die, along with a bunch of Americans, but Best Korea must know that they would be obliterated in no time if they pulled that shiat.  In the process, China would be flooded with refugees it doesn't want.

If they have an ounce of rationality, this is merely bluster.  If not, it will be an ugly war ending with the obliteration of Best Korea in relatively short order.

Make no mistake about the South Koreans.  They can be brutal too.  See: Vietnam.
2013-03-07 09:21:40 PM
2 votes:
Give the land to China.  This way we're not in the nation building business and the minefield (and US support) will keep them out of South Korea.
2013-03-07 09:21:39 PM
2 votes:

scubamage: Great Janitor: I say we just drop one nuclear bomb and end this one real fast.

That would be a very bad move. The fallout would land almost entirely on China, and South Korean. That would be bad, mmkay. We'd be much better having a bunch of drone jockeys level the place.


Okay, instead of drones, bombers under fighter jet escort, to the largest North Korean city, bomb it until it is a memory.  Repeat until they surrender or until there is no such thing as a North Korean.  Better that then sending our troops into yet another ground war.
2013-03-07 09:21:22 PM
2 votes:
Until NK attacks then the ceasefire is still tacitly in place.  The rest of the world should shock the hell out of them and pre-emptively attack.  That farce of a nation has existed for too long and the oppression of its people is a blight on the face of humanity.
2013-03-07 09:21:02 PM
2 votes:
'...hours after threatening the US with a pre-emptive nuclear strike.'

What are they waiting for.?

I'm tired of doing the same thing everyday and listening to 13 year old kids whine about The Avengers and their iPhones on YouTube all the time.
2013-03-07 09:19:49 PM
2 votes:

Well, that's not helpful.
Are we going to need to edit a new version of this pic?

dtdstudios.com
2013-03-07 09:18:33 PM
2 votes:

Satanic_Hamster: Hey NK!
[4.bp.blogspot.com image 680x717]


pinkie.mylittlefacewhen.com
perfect, it all works according to plan
2013-03-07 09:17:51 PM
2 votes:

make me some tea: GAT_00: This shiatty headline is what they went with?

As opposed to the other, shiattier headlines?


The thanks Rodman was funnier.
2013-03-07 09:15:15 PM
2 votes:
I hope we see a unified Korea in our lifetimes.
2013-03-07 09:14:21 PM
2 votes:

SN1987a goes boom: [encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com image 261x193]

If China doesn't support them (and come on, who would they rather lose their biggest trading partner or constant shiat-stirrers?), then the potential war will last all of 5 farking seconds.


Something tells me that China is going to try to play both sides in this conflict.

/supply NorKor with food and fuel
//deny that they are doing so
2013-03-07 09:12:37 PM
2 votes:
l.wigflip.com
2013-03-07 09:11:54 PM
2 votes:

SN1987a goes boom: [encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com image 261x193]

If China doesn't support them (and come on, who would they rather lose their biggest trading partner or constant shiat-stirrers?), then the potential war will last all of 5 farking seconds.


unless the norks decide that it'd be a hoot to nuke the Japanese stock exchange during the height of the trading day.  then things become less awesome for all and sundry.
2013-03-07 09:11:24 PM
2 votes:

seadoo2006: So, answer me this: Has Best Korea significantly improved their rocket technology from what I can buy at the hobby shop, or are they still dropping ICBMs into the ocean 3 miles from launch?

If not, why not let the bastards starve until they run over the 38th Parallel or cross into China, in which case we/China/South Korea could just bomb the whole thing back to the stone age?


The stone age would be an improvement for some of the country.
2013-03-07 09:08:22 PM
2 votes:
So, answer me this: Has Best Korea significantly improved their rocket technology from what I can buy at the hobby shop, or are they still dropping ICBMs into the ocean 3 miles from launch?

If not, why not let the bastards starve until they run over the 38th Parallel or cross into China, in which case we/China/South Korea could just bomb the whole thing back to the stone age?
2013-03-07 09:08:15 PM
2 votes:
Dear Afghanistan,

It was fun while it lasted, but we have an appointment on the other side of the world, so we really must be going.

L8rz,
USA
2013-03-07 09:08:06 PM
2 votes:
25.media.tumblr.com
2013-03-07 09:07:51 PM
2 votes:
You know what would solve this little crisis?

MOAR TAX CUTS!
2013-03-07 09:07:41 PM
2 votes:
images.cheezburger.com


Do it, you won't.
Biatch.
2013-03-07 09:07:26 PM
2 votes:
namtiti.free.fr
2013-03-07 09:07:09 PM
2 votes:
Bullshiat. Wag the dog.
2013-03-07 09:06:19 PM
2 votes:

namegoeshere: MaudlinMutantMollusk: F*ck Un

/cut off the food

The people will starve and Un will eat the poor kids.


Well, the stock won't last long under that kind of demand

/We can wait 'em out
//China might get a teensy bit annoyed about all the refugees, though
///Seriously; China is really the key to resolving the issue once and for all
2013-03-07 09:05:43 PM
2 votes:
Stir fry the dogs of war!
2013-03-07 09:05:37 PM
2 votes:
www.abc.net.au
I'm pretty sure the exact translation is: "Dear Supreme Commander Comrade, please just let us die. We are out of potato."
2013-03-07 09:04:42 PM
2 votes:
"It notifies the South side that it will immediately cut off the North-South hotline,"

Guess Best Korea is having trouble paying the phone bill again.
2013-03-07 09:03:48 PM
2 votes:

davidphogan: Good thing we got Gangnm Style before the nukes.


The last international representation of Korean Culture, it will be enshrined in history forever
2013-03-07 09:02:22 PM
2 votes:
Meh, unimpressed.
Kim should either invade something or shut the hell up about it.
2013-03-07 09:02:10 PM
2 votes:
Does this mean Dennis Rodman gets the Presidential Medal of Freedom?
2013-03-07 09:02:09 PM
2 votes:
How far will they go if everyone just ignores everything they say?
2013-03-07 09:02:04 PM
2 votes:
Welp, if they nuke Seoul, I don't think anyone would keep the US from turning Best Korea into Second Best Korea.
2013-03-07 09:02:00 PM
2 votes:
Black Eagle Reporting
2013-03-07 09:01:50 PM
2 votes:
This is what happens when a US Senator goes on TV saying it's illegal for the government to kill it's own citizens. He made us look weak.
2013-03-07 09:01:40 PM
2 votes:
Send back our ambassador freddyo.com
2013-03-07 09:01:22 PM
2 votes:
beldar.blogs.com
2013-03-07 08:58:43 PM
2 votes:
Similarly I've declared war with Norway.  Norway has 5 minutes to change its name or I'm going to refuse to acknowledge the international boundaries of Norway and I'm going to publicly release some fairly damning information about one of Norway's city-level internal middle managers.
2013-03-07 08:57:48 PM
2 votes:
That chubby little fella really needs attention.
2013-03-08 09:27:45 PM
1 votes:

WeenerGord: The_Original_Roxtar: muzzle is pointed roughly straight up (i.e. a "safe position")

Look at the photo again. The muzzle is clearly tucked into the hollow between the NKs collarbone and neck. NOT straight up, and NOT clearly over their shoulder, where they would only have to worry about killing the guy behind them. Would you rest the muzzle of your rifle in the hollow of your collarbone and neck if you knew it was loaded and the safety off?


The_Original_Roxtar: putting the muzzle down on the ground risks fouling the barrel, making the gun unsafe to fire.

Obviously, the only other position possible is to tuck it into your neck. There is no other position you can hold a gun in, other than jammed into the dirt, or into your neck.


The_Original_Roxtar: you really are clueless about firearms aren't you?

Yes, yes you are.


seriously... look again:
this is a modern AK:
upload.wikimedia.org
note the position of the front sight and how much the muzzle break extends beyond it. those NK might end up with a powder burn on their jackets, but they're not as you say "tucking the muzzle between the collarbone and neck". The biggest thing they need to worry about is hearing damage.

www.abc.net.au

Would I rest the muzzle of my rifle in the hollow of my collarbone and neck if i knew it was loaded and the safety off? of course not... but that's irrelevant because it's not what the picture shows. it shows a barrel resting against the shoulder, with no magazine and the safety ON. one can assume that these trained soldiers would feel similarly and would clear their weapon upon picking it up (like everyone who knows anything about firearms does)

let's look at the other possible positions shall we?
point it to the side: nope, people there.
point it forward: nope, people there.
point it backward: nope, people there.
point it at the ground: well, seeing as how loading a magazine is a 2 hand job, that means that the muzzle would have to be against the ground... which can cause the gun to literally explode in an accidental discharge if these soldiers are as stupid as you assume they are (i.e. they didn't clear their weapons) and could foul the barrel regardless of loaded state or accidental discharge.
that just leaves "up"
since they need both hands to load the magazine, and they need to keep it pointed up, how would you suggest they keep the rifle from falling over (potentially discharging that round you're certain is in the chamber despite the fact that safety is on)?

perhaps they could keep the muzzle pointed skyward with their shoulder, keep it from tipping with their right arm, and load the magazine at the same time... you know, like they're doing in the picture.
2013-03-08 05:02:05 PM
1 votes:

Syphilis_Smile: J. Frank Parnell: Lost Thought 00: Did you last study strategy in 1875?

You probably believe the invasion of Iraq was revenge for 9/11.

/just like you're supposed to

It wasn't? Last I checked, a bunch of pissed off Saudis attacked us because we based troops in their country. Rather than piss our allies off further, we just moved our troops north a little bit out of the holy land and took out a country that had threatened the allies of our allies repeatedly in the past. Win win situation for everyone, except, of course, Bin Laden.


Bunch of Pissed off Saudis, funded and supported by Iranians, Quatarians, Pakistanis, Saudis, and Kuwaitis, who were trained in camps located in Afghanistan, and who's command structure was hidden by not only the Government of Afghanistan a the time, but also the Pakistani ISI.
2013-03-08 11:34:48 AM
1 votes:
The one thing I don't understand is this, in any scenario:  (Hitler, Stalin, etc) is that if you have a man, a single man in power who has gone so mad or crazy that he's ready to 'push the button' to unleash something so utterly horrible, and so utterly foolish, that there isn't someone else with the capability or means to get close to that man (be it a disillusioned friend, a trusted aide who sees that the man in power needs to be stopped) to do the right thing and assassinate that person.  I mean, I just can't fathom how entire groups of people can be so fatalistic and so blind to look at someone like that and go "Yeah, his ideas are great!"

It just boggles my mind.
2013-03-08 10:57:59 AM
1 votes:

kimwim: blipponaut: You drop them in areas with minimal military coverage. Fly high and have little to worry about.

This is how we know you have no idea what you're talking about.
Someone gets caught with anything from outside~ they, and everyone in their family/apartment building goes straight to the camp. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200. They turn in family members and friends over a bowl of soup. Over a rumor. Information is powerful. And it is used for a loaf of bread.


You're not dropping one box of Rice Krispies, you're dropping hundreds of thousands of things. What, they going to lock up the entire countryside and then starve to death because they have no slave labor to work the fields? You don't conquer with a fist, but then again you're American, so you probably think everything can be solved that way. Seems to be working out well....
2013-03-08 09:42:35 AM
1 votes:
My worry is that this idiot is going to paint himself into a corner he doesn't know how to get out of and a lot of people are going to die because of it.
2013-03-08 09:28:22 AM
1 votes:

dr_blasto: vygramul: dr_blasto: once the people of NK turn stabby on their leadership.

Looking back on history, starving people have not been terribly energetic in becoming stabby.

Food riots aren't uncommon, many happened during the so-called Arab Spring.


Those happened before the mass starvation kicked in.
2013-03-08 08:50:15 AM
1 votes:

Jon iz teh kewl: maybe it's cause all of the pot they smoke
it's legal there, you know


You REALLY dont want to smoke pot unless there is a ready supply of food to counter the munchies hehehe

The pot there is primitive - somewhat similar to the crap they smoked at woodstock

If you want to smoke pot come to my "homeland" BC Canada !! (Im not from there but that is my home when I am not in China)

// BC BUD IS BEST !!!
/ Dont bring bud anywhere near China, they count it as equal to cocaine, heroin and opium and you will be punished accordingly
2013-03-08 08:28:55 AM
1 votes:

MaliFinn: John Stamos: So... every thread on Fark is kind of a pony thread now, huh?

Lame.

[i208.photobucket.com image 306x350]


I prefer my 'shop

fc07.deviantart.net
2013-03-08 08:00:34 AM
1 votes:
Nobody is nuking anything, certainly no nukes will be used by the use or China. That's simply not going to happen.

Don't forget, in the end, China wants to be the regional power in that part of the world. They want to be the big kid on the block and for that to happen, they need stability.

China doesn't want millions of Korean refugees flowing over its border.
China won't appreciate US troops in NK near the border.
NK has always used their belligerent crazy talk to get food and other aid.
NK cannot feed its population without outside help.
SK has plenty of military force available to her if NK decides to get shooty. Even if NK zerg-rushed SK, they have no capacity to resupply. For them, it will be one shot and done.

The interesting bit here is that China has actually signed on to the sanctions. That's new, that has also freaked NK out (seemingly). NK has begun their standard attention whoring, but may have crossed a line. If China cuts off trade, NK may destabilize internally and fizzle out just like their nuclear tests. You may see Chinese boots on the ground in NK within the year as a "peacekeeping" force once the people of NK turn stabby on their leadership.
2013-03-08 07:39:14 AM
1 votes:

Slartibartfaster: Millennium: Kim Jong-Un seems to think he's in an Internet flamewar, not a place where words are real. He needs to be disabused of this notion, and quickly

Give him rope
He will hang himself

China has this covered.

// agree that this guy needs to get a major slap down but let China do it.


^^ This ^^

If Best Korea attack South Korea, China would annihilate the North and meet the US and SK forces not all that far north of the DMZ. China absolutely, positively does not want a US presence in NK, and they will invade and annex Best Korea to make sure that happens.

We cannot use nukes in the Asian theater without coming to a hair's breadth of war with China, Russia or India, who absolutely don't want nukes going off in their neighborhood, and have the means to respond in kind. Okay, India's ability to respond is limited, but they could make things very difficult for our allies in Japan and SK, if they wanted. Regardless, we can only respond to North Korean aggression with conventional weapons. So we might bomb Pyongyang and all NK military bases into rubble, but China will be doing the brunt of the pacification work. While our forces fight alongside the SK army to push back the NK forces, the Chinese invade and we crush them on two fronts.

It would not surprise me at all if there are already battle plans prepared with SK and China, just in case Best Korea finally makes good on their threats. An understanding, if you will, that crushes NK while respecting Chinese security and limits damage to SK.
2013-03-08 06:56:57 AM
1 votes:
I think it's clear that no one believes North Korea is actually capable of following through on any of the threats it makes, except possibly to Seoul. But I'm starting to wonder if perhaps it would be good -or at least a lesser evil- for North Korea to get a small taste of what would happen if people actually thought its threats were credible. Kim Jong-Un seems to think he's in an Internet flamewar, not a place where words are real. He needs to be disabused of this notion, and quickly.
2013-03-08 06:50:46 AM
1 votes:

ceremony_1968: So, where is that text-based animation about Seoul getting blowed up again?


I have the one where the Zeta Gundam makes Korea disappear. Will that do?
2013-03-08 05:34:14 AM
1 votes:

Coastalgrl: From one who is too young to remember, what is the context behind the image? Is that the view looking towards SK?


Serious response: Looks like the road to Basra incident, first gulf war.
A bunch of Iraqi soldiers making a run from Kuwait with their ill gotten loot found themselves in the crosshairs of Stormin Normin when he was at  his most Stormin.
He said words to the effect of "Make them bleed" and, well...

With the Norks, I doubt we'll see anything like that.
A nuclear response to a nuclear armed nation is begging for a much bigger tragedy.   Even if they were to spill over the border and ransack worst Korea, we'd probably let them wander around for a week or two to regain their senses before coercing their army back over the line.

Going all out against a nuclear player could cost millions of lives.
I'd wager the west would absorb thousands of casualties before risking that.
2013-03-08 04:53:53 AM
1 votes:
Seoul's defence ministry spokesman Kim Min-seok said that if the North were to carry out a nuclear attack on South Korea it would become "extinct from the Earth by the will of mankind"

Lol. You go guy.
2013-03-08 03:08:10 AM
1 votes:

LincolnLogolas: NewportBarGuy: $20 says if they go for a first strike 90% of their fixed artillery explodes trying to send off the first round.

Nah, any wealth in Best Korea goes to three places: to the Kim Jong family, to monuments dedicated to the Kim Jong family, and to the military. some of their hardware may be old, but it's well maintained. Besides, they've got enough long range artillery pointed at Seoul that they could level it in a day.


They also have a ridiculously large army that doesn't have much else to do but drill, do parades for dear leader, and maintain their 60 year old equipment with obsessive care.
2013-03-08 02:44:17 AM
1 votes:

make me some tea: Uchiha_Cycliste: make me some tea: Ow! That was my feelings!: Stratfor dissects Best Korea's crazy and successful plan. Link

Very interesting. That's actually quite sensible from their POV.

it was. thanks for drawing my attention to it.

Stratfor is good stuff. I need to remember to read their writeups whenever international bullshiat is going down.


Interesting how, recently, America and South Korea have wised up to NK's game and it looks like they will no longer play by Kim Joffrey-Un's rules. I can't see how there'll be any multi-party talks now. Even China is tired of North Korea's shiat. Giving into their demands will just continue the cycle, and I keep getting a feeling that everyone with an interest in the situation is sick of this stupid game. Whether this is an "ignore and don't feed the troll until he behaves" moment, or the powers in the region finally want to get it done and over with somehow, remains to be seen.

Bonus Kim Joffrey-Un picture:

i.imgur.com
2013-03-08 02:04:10 AM
1 votes:

Omahawg: Gosling: Myria: Let's just give the country to China. They won't let Worst Korea unite with it, so let China have it, and it can be the DMZ between China and Western allies. For all China's problems, wouldn't someone rather be a poor Chinese citizen than a poor Best Korean citizen?

China doesn't want them. That's how they've been propped up these past years. China kept them just solvent enough to keep NK refugees from flooding into China. But China appears to have had just about enough of the Kims and things may be coming to a head as a result. In the Kim Il-Sung days, they had both the Soviet Union and China to fall back on. The Soviets pulled out when the Soviet Union died, which was a huge blow, and China's been supporting them by themselves ever since.

hey, it ain't easy being the single parent of an entitled little fat putz


Just as Mrs. Cartman.
2013-03-08 01:59:15 AM
1 votes:

Myria: Let's just give the country to China. They won't let Worst Korea unite with it, so let China have it, and it can be the DMZ between China and Western allies. For all China's problems, wouldn't someone rather be a poor Chinese citizen than a poor Best Korean citizen?


China doesn't want them. That's how they've been propped up these past years. China kept them just solvent enough to keep NK refugees from flooding into China. But China appears to have had just about enough of the Kims and things may be coming to a head as a result. In the Kim Il-Sung days, they had both the Soviet Union and China to fall back on. The Soviets pulled out when the Soviet Union died, which was a huge blow, and China's been supporting them by themselves ever since.
2013-03-08 01:52:26 AM
1 votes:

seadoo2006: Ooooh, yay, another full-scale ground war the US is going to be in ... is this a repeat from the 1950s?


If they actively launch shiat at us, well, yes, it will in fact be another full-scale ground war, because what the hell else are we supposed to do, sit there and take it? Us putting up with them all these years was dependent on them not launching shiat at people. The understanding has been, if they launch shiat at someone, we march in and show them how outdated and obsolete their army really is.

The initial artillery barrage is going to be hell, but as soon as the US/SK/whoever else coalition gets its feet under them, I expect it'd be a pretty fast advance. I'd expect that everyone is either going to be the guy that actively looks for someone to surrender to, or the guy that hides out in the mountains for decades, with not a whole hell of a lot of in-between. If NK fires the first shot, China may just roll their eyes and go 'you brought this on yourself, have fun dying' and leave them to their fate.
2013-03-08 01:42:31 AM
1 votes:

Xyphoid: All that said, keep on waving those flags and acting like it won't be a big deal, or that they are just super inept. Someone would have to be out there in the shiat, though, and I don't think many people, if any, are willing to volunteer.


I am too old for that shiat now but I did serve eight years as a Marine. I volunteered for that and I'd volunteer for it in these circumstances too probably. (I'd not have volunteered after 9/11 as I didn't agree with those wars.)
2013-03-08 01:38:58 AM
1 votes:

Yogimus: neongoats: doglover: Radioactive Ass: Probably the most racist place that I've lived in

Ohio or PA?

Either? They are both filled with failed rust belt dreams, inbreeding and people who think their state shoulda been confederate.

Said without a hint of irony.


Damn straight, I'm trying to leave :p
2013-03-08 01:29:39 AM
1 votes:

Counter_Intelligent: And now it's a Pony thread...


North Korean pony is BEST pony.
2013-03-08 01:29:03 AM
1 votes:

Joe boater: Apparently this went to his head.

[l3.yimg.com image 310x412]


Untested leader of a nuclear nation. So test him. Tie him to your next launch, and blow him up over the sea.
2013-03-08 01:23:14 AM
1 votes:

johnny_vegas: you know south jersey surprised me in that regard


What surprised me was that the supposed "Conventional knowledge" of racial politics wasn't anywhere close to being accurate. I honestly believed at the time that the thought that the south was the place where overt racism was common while the Northeast was where racism was essentially wiped out was the truth. It turned out that the opposite was true, or at least even. It was at that point where I decided to completely reject the politics of race and to dismiss anyone who used the race card as a trump without any solid base of reasoning.

"He's black. I get it." Doesn't work against someone who voted for and donated to  the "Black Guy" the first time around. It's a weak argument on its face. One can have legitimate issues with someones policies without being seen as a racist.
2013-03-08 01:10:49 AM
1 votes:

Tellurium: Please nuke Washington. A fresh start is about the best thing we can expect from that place anymore.


I wonder if someone checked Rodman's luggage when he returned, or if they just treated him like celebrity royalty.
2013-03-08 12:58:39 AM
1 votes:
In this instance, I don't believe true power lies with Kim Jong-un. My surmisement is that the top military brass has usurped it, viewing Jong-un to be too soft, too potentially Western-friendly. They have his number, so to speak, and will act freely despite everything. In fact, I believe Jong-un to be a virtual prisoner of the DPRK's true leadership, a powerless figurehead. His friendship with Dennis Rodman might be a clue, especially what Jong-un told him to tell Obama: "Just call me." If it were that simple, all this saber-rattling could end instantaneously.
2013-03-08 12:58:21 AM
1 votes:

NobleHam: You're right, if you believe the threat is serious whether NK is serious or not. That is, even if they actually want to go to war, which I agree is really unlikely, whether they are an actual threat. I don't believe they are. Japan's not seriously threatened. NK has the theoretical capability to deliver a nuke on an ICBM, but they don't have the ICBM or the practical experience to do that, and their short-range rockets have never hit within 100 miles of their target. Their range is limited to where a plane could drop one, which is nowhere outside their borders. Their greatest threat is the supposed ability to shell Seoul, so there would be uncertainty in the South Korean markets, but Japan and HK have nothing to lose.


Eeyup. And I'm in agreement with you on all points here.

Hostilities will most likely not break out. If they do, the worst-case short-term scenario for anyone not living within shooting distance is the panic that conventional hostilities would bring. (The worst-case really-long-term scenario is a limited nuclear exchange that "teaches" the world that there exists a winning move other than "not to play." As long as electorates remember the horrors of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the politicians will remember that Hiroshima and Nagasaki also resulted in 50+ years of political fallout, and both groups of people will remain strongly incentivized to keep the genie in its bottle.)
2013-03-08 12:56:12 AM
1 votes:

Radioactive Ass: doglover: Y'inz can go suck a dick n'at. Least we ain't Ohya.

Yeah... That one. Probably the most racist place that I've lived in. And I lived in the South Carolina low country for a year.


you know south jersey surprised me in that regard
2013-03-08 12:52:48 AM
1 votes:

doglover: Y'inz can go suck a dick n'at. Least we ain't Ohya.


Yeah... That one. Probably the most racist place that I've lived in. And I lived in the South Carolina low country for a year.
2013-03-08 12:50:40 AM
1 votes:

ItchyMcDoogle: Well the way I see it, the top people in NK see a western invasion as the only way to save them. China seems to be content keeping them the same way as they are. So they bark and bark and bark.


Yea, go watch The Mouse that Roared http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mouse_That_Roared  same premise, but funny
2013-03-08 12:50:00 AM
1 votes:

Gleeman: [i.imgur.com image 300x300]
Am I going to have to come back up there? Because it looks like I might.


/and no Zerg rush from China this time around


they will be a zerg rush alright but not from China.. to China..

/wonder how fast millions of starving N. Koreans women and children can run.
2013-03-08 12:46:09 AM
1 votes:

Radioactive Ass: Pennsyltucky


Y'inz can go suck a dick n'at. Least we ain't Ohya.
2013-03-08 12:45:03 AM
1 votes:
i.imgur.com
Am I going to have to come back up there? Because it looks like I might.


/and no Zerg rush from China this time around
2013-03-08 12:43:52 AM
1 votes:
sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net
2013-03-08 12:42:59 AM
1 votes:

SuperNinjaToad: Radioactive Ass: \

My opinion may be biased because I actually can differentiate the visual differences between a person of Chinese, Japanese, Korean and Pacific Islander descent so there is that.

....that's  because you are not an 'ignorant uneducated racist' therefore to use yourself as a anecdote to my argument is inaccurate at best.


That is a bad argument because for all you know I actually might be an "ignorant uneducated racist'  that only hates Pacific Islanders.

/Damned grass skirts... Hiding all the "Good stuff" that proper "Muslim" strippers show

Imagine a tread break here:

I've had the unfortunate experience of living in Pennsyltucky. Those people lurve their "Chinese food" that really isn't Chinese food at all. They aren't going to abandon their "Poo-Poo (ha-ha get it) Platter".
2013-03-08 12:29:22 AM
1 votes:

neongoats: Love you SK, love your BBQ, love your gadgets and I even like your cars, but fark fermented cabbage, wtf.


Now I want kimchi.
2013-03-08 12:25:45 AM
1 votes:

SuperNinjaToad: but you forget that the person who would commit these crimes are probably ignorant uneducated racist and in his mind ALL Asians = Lil Lim... and there are millions of folks like him.


You are forgetting that everyone has had "Chinese food" while "Muslim (or Arab I guess in the context that we are talking about) food" is a rare thing to find in most places. Like I said, it's embedded into our culture to some extent and that cannot be overlooked. I use the 1950's Korean war as an example where what you are implying might happen, didn't happen.

My opinion may be biased because I actually can differentiate the visual differences between a person of Chinese, Japanese, Korean and Pacific Islander descent so there is that.
2013-03-08 12:17:04 AM
1 votes:

ontariolightning: Couldnt the US just hit NKs military positions with an EMP?


They lack the "E" part. Have you not seen the Best Korea at Night picture?
2013-03-08 12:13:22 AM
1 votes:

mootmah: The difference is that anyone who has a remote chance of being from Best Korea obviously had to go through hell to get here. If there's a war, there will be propaganda campaign showing what BK is like on the inside. Even Fox News would run some stories about the inside of BK. That should keep the average American bigot in check.


That too. Anyway, I don't see it happening outside of some extremely isolated cases.
2013-03-08 12:11:41 AM
1 votes:

J. Frank Parnell: hardinparamedic: You fail toxicology

Quite the opposite. But if you want to escape Darwin's grasp, you'll have to do it yourself. I can't in good conscience interfere with natural processes by trying to convince you. I've already done too much.

But, back on topic. My predictions for the seemingly inevitable confrontation, is that NK will either strike SK first hoping to provoke the US into attacking them, or the US will be struck first, and after the US is sent into chaos SK will be easily overwhelmed. China could suddenly become involved in either of these scenarios.

/hope i'm wrong, and he's really just posturing


How would that happen? If NK manages to actually hurt the US ( like killing US civilians, for example), I think the resulting fight would be like one of these:

polizeros.com

....going up against this guy:

www.todayifoundout.com
2013-03-08 12:11:07 AM
1 votes:

Twilight Farkle: NobleHam:
You think a war with North Korea would be bad for the Nikkei or HK markets? It might hurt South Korea if Seoul gets shelled, but NK falling will be great for the economies of East Asia. Lots of lucrative rebuilding contracts and investment opportunities in a pretty much fresh and untapped market.

You're thinking like an investor, not a trader. WW2 was great for the US economy because we didn't get bombed and the rest of the industrialized world reduced itself to rubble. 9/11 was a buying opportunity. The last downswing of the 2001 tech bubble was a few days into the 2003 Iraq invasion. The US armed forces went to war, American went to the mall, and stocks doubled between then and 2008.

Now think for a moment like a trader: the minute-to-minute moves of the market aren't determined investors, they're about traders for whom "long term" means a holding period measured in days, not years. (Which is why I included South Korea's KOSPI index. Japan's a possible target, Seoul is definitely a target, and Seoul is trading flat.)

Let's suppose, for the sake of argument, that Un's decided he's serious about going full Un. (I do not believe this is the case.) But if he has, nobody but Un and his generals knows who'll get hit. Is the right move to short motherboard manufacturers? DRAM plants? Maybe Un will lob one at Japan for the lulz. Maybe he ignores Seoul and tries the, umm, long bomb and takes out some random patch of the US west coast.

If you're certain Un's going to go full Un, you play both sides of the coin by selling now, let 'em blow up the region, and then buy when the dust is settling. If anyone with money was taking his threat seriously, they'd be hedging their bets, or at least raising cash with the intent of buying the dip while the rubble is still smoking. They aren't. Either most the world's billionaires are wrong (always a possibility!), but the high probability outcome is that those with access to resources far greater than you or I have decided ...


I was amused by (and then saddened by) the thought that generally the most morally bankrupt people are the ones with the most money to throw around.
2013-03-08 12:09:43 AM
1 votes:

Radioactive Ass: SuperNinjaToad: Assuming SHTF I wonder if Korean Americans will face intense backlash and discrimination stateside. Knowing American history I would wager the average 'non asian' American will probably face extreme prejudice and be victims of violent backlash from the rest of the population.

The average joe is probably not going to care or differentiate someone wheater from SK, China, Taiwan, Japan Vietnam etc. I forsee a lot of Asian Americans getting beat up, murder even, asian churches set on fire and large portions of the asian looking people in America discriminated against when or if this thing really goes down.

I doubt it. Asian cultures are pretty well embedded into the American psyche and most people know that North Korea is an anomaly to that.

The thing with the Muslims was that they have certain customs and those customs are often highly visible in dress and if you don't know the difference to a very casual viewer the difference might not be obvious (see the reports of Sikhs being misidentified as Arabs right after 9/11 for a good example). Asians as a large group don't have that problem unless they are Buddhist Monks in full regalia.


The difference is that anyone who has a remote chance of being from Best Korea obviously had to go through hell to get here. If there's a war, there will be propaganda campaign showing what BK is like on the inside. Even Fox News would run some stories about the inside of BK. That should keep the average American bigot in check.
2013-03-08 12:05:51 AM
1 votes:

SuperNinjaToad: Assuming SHTF I wonder if Korean Americans will face intense backlash and discrimination stateside. Knowing American history I would wager the average 'non asian' American will probably face extreme prejudice and be victims of violent backlash from the rest of the population.

The average joe is probably not going to care or differentiate someone wheater from SK, China, Taiwan, Japan Vietnam etc. I forsee a lot of Asian Americans getting beat up, murder even, asian churches set on fire and large portions of the asian looking people in America discriminated against when or if this thing really goes down.


I doubt it. Asian cultures are pretty well embedded into the American psyche and most people know that North Korea is an anomaly to that.

The thing with the Muslims was that they have certain customs and those customs are often highly visible in dress and if you don't know the difference to a very casual viewer the difference might not be obvious (see the reports of Sikhs being misidentified as Arabs right after 9/11 for a good example). Asians as a large group don't have that problem unless they are Buddhist Monks in full regalia.
2013-03-08 12:04:22 AM
1 votes:

NobleHam:
You think a war with North Korea would be bad for the Nikkei or HK markets? It might hurt South Korea if Seoul gets shelled, but NK falling will be great for the economies of East Asia. Lots of lucrative rebuilding contracts and investment opportunities in a pretty much fresh and untapped market.


You're thinking like an investor, not a trader. WW2 was great for the US economy because we didn't get bombed and the rest of the industrialized world reduced itself to rubble. 9/11 was a buying opportunity. The last downswing of the 2001 tech bubble was a few days into the 2003 Iraq invasion. The US armed forces went to war, American went to the mall, and stocks doubled between then and 2008.

Now think for a moment like a trader: the minute-to-minute moves of the market aren't determined investors, they're about traders for whom "long term" means a holding period measured in days, not years. (Which is why I included South Korea's KOSPI index. Japan's a possible target, Seoul is definitely a target, and Seoul is trading flat.)

Let's suppose, for the sake of argument, that Un's decided he's serious about going full Un. (I do not believe this is the case.) But if he has, nobody but Un and his generals knows who'll get hit. Is the right move to short motherboard manufacturers? DRAM plants? Maybe Un will lob one at Japan for the lulz. Maybe he ignores Seoul and tries the, umm, long bomb and takes out some random patch of the US west coast.

If you're certain Un's going to go full Un, you play both sides of the coin by selling now, let 'em blow up the region, and then buy when the dust is settling. If anyone with money was taking his threat seriously, they'd be hedging their bets, or at least raising cash with the intent of buying the dip while the rubble is still smoking. They aren't. Either most the world's billionaires are wrong (always a possibility!), but the high probability outcome is that those with access to resources far greater than you or I have decided that NK's threats are empty.

/checks the quotes again just in case the market's changed its mind.
//breathes a sigh of relief that it hasn't.
2013-03-08 12:03:21 AM
1 votes:
i.imgur.com
You going to have me kirred, alen't you?
2013-03-08 12:00:42 AM
1 votes:

ontariolightning: Kim Jong Un has AFI -  Prelude 12/21 playing in his head all day. Its the baddest villain song ever made.
Just ask Lex Luthor

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=aUleoZCeL4Q


We had a nice thread going here until you defiled it with that screamo filth. Dick.
2013-03-07 11:56:13 PM
1 votes:
Assuming SHTF I wonder if Korean Americans will face intense backlash and discrimination stateside. Knowing American history I would wager the average 'non asian' American will probably face extreme prejudice and be victims of violent backlash from the rest of the population.

The average joe is probably not going to care or differentiate someone wheater from SK, China, Taiwan, Japan Vietnam etc. I forsee a lot of Asian Americans getting beat up, murder even, asian churches set on fire and large portions of the asian looking people in America discriminated against when or if this thing really goes down.
2013-03-07 11:53:12 PM
1 votes:

Der Poopflinger: turns out I will get to see a nuke hit a populated area in my lifetime


Even the Best Korean leaders know that actually attacking the south would be bad.  Lardbucket wouldn't enjoy being the dictator of a gigantic smoking hole in the ground.
2013-03-07 11:51:41 PM
1 votes:

Coastalgrl: From one who is too young to remember, what is the context behind the image? Is that the view looking towards SK?


The "Road of Death" from Gulf War V1.0. It's the road from Kuwait City to the Iraqi border.
2013-03-07 11:50:11 PM
1 votes:

Coastalgrl: denbroc: [home.earthlink.net image 850x604]

/Those who do not remember the past...
//Of course NK probably doesn't have as many vehicles

From one who is too young to remember, what is the context behind the image? Is that the view looking towards SK?

Also, whats with the ponies? What are they from?


when a boy horse and a girl horse like each other very very much...
2013-03-07 11:48:37 PM
1 votes:
Stratfor dissects Best Korea's crazy and successful plan. Link
2013-03-07 11:35:33 PM
1 votes:

Now That's What I Call a Taco!: davidphogan: Lost Thought 00: Looks like the little tyke thinks he needs a military conflict to cement his power. We do need to wait for them to make the first move, so we have enough authority to completely wipe them out, instead of being stuck with half-measures

I wonder how much of this is a response to outside efforts (real or imagined) to destabilize the government in a transitional period.

That or he's dumber and crazier than his Dad ever was.

Couple of other possibilities:

- Un is just a puppet at this point for other senior military hardliners who are actually making these decisions.

- Un is doing the one making these decisions, but he's doing it to gain the trust and loyalty of those senior military hardliners, who may mistrust the kid with the Swiss education and love for certain aspects of Western culture (like Dennis Rodman and the Chicago Bulls).


Those are both very valid points.  The first one at least I figured would fall under my post, because if the senior military guys are suddenly making this move it's probably at least in part due to concerns the US/RoK/Japan are going to set up a coup or something that might save Un, but eliminate many of the military higher ups.

As for idea two, I hope you're wrong.  A person with that mentality having nukes is really a scary idea.
2013-03-07 11:33:04 PM
1 votes:

TV's Vinnie: "No good little American punks! They think they're so cool and smart. I'LL SHOW THEM! I'm gonna call them up and tell them that they suck and I'm so hot that I get all the girls and that they'd better treat me with some RES-PECT and give me whatever I want or I'm gonna use these things that Daddy left for me. Yeah! They won't be laughing at me anymore if I do that!"


Its almost like he's a Korean version of Eric Cartman....
2013-03-07 11:31:35 PM
1 votes:

Radioactive Ass: /realist


You're not a realist if you think North Korea firing across the border would mean the end of the United States.
2013-03-07 11:30:11 PM
1 votes:

The Dog Ate My Homework: So this time around, it's going to be UN vs Un. This is going to be confusing.


Can we refer to them as "Big Un's" and "Little Un's"?
2013-03-07 11:29:36 PM
1 votes:

cptjeff: Seoul is not a small target- and they don't need perfect reliability if they launch 5. They do have decently functional short range missiles. Medium and long range? Not so much. But Seoul is about 35 kilometers from the North- they can do that.


Regular artillery shells, yes.
Nuke artillery shells (or short range small missile), not for a long, long while.

It takes an asslaoad of engineering to create a viable nuclear weapon small enough and tough enough to withstand a missile launch.
2013-03-07 11:18:10 PM
1 votes:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: DrPainMD: Their problem equals their problem. Close our bases in SK and wish them the best of ruck.

But... but... DOMINOES!

/yeah...why are we still playing this '50s sh*t?
//gotta have reasons for that bloated defense budget, I guess


Because the Korean War never ended, and we have actual diplomatic defense pacts with the South Koreans.  Korea is not like Vietnam or Afghanistan.
2013-03-07 11:14:44 PM
1 votes:
So, if Best Korea storms the south, their best defense will be a one mile long east to west buffet, just past the DMZ.

Anyone else read Nothing to Envy? Defectors escaping through China couldn't figure out why the Chinese were leaving bowls of food by their front doors.  Then they finally realized, the food was for the pet dogs, and the dogs belonging to the Chinese ate better than they did in Best Korea.
2013-03-07 11:14:31 PM
1 votes:
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee click


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2013-03-07 11:13:33 PM
1 votes:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Tellingthem: Can the North even sustain an actual campaign? There is a huge difference between having a military and having a capable military....

I'm curious about how many of those million soldiers would invade the South so they could throw down their guns and get a little fish to go with their rice

/I wonder how much true, willing-to-die-for support the regime really has?


I would guess lots actually. They have been isolated and indoctrinated for so long I'm sure that they would be willing to die for the "dear leader" because they don't know anything else. Some quick skimming seems to indicate that while they would fight any attempt to take the south would be bloody and futile. They are using outdated and poorly maintained equipment, with poorly trained and under supplied troops. Basically a paper tiger. Big numbers but not very effective.
2013-03-07 11:13:26 PM
1 votes:

The_Original_Roxtar: oh please, PLEASE give us an excuse to push the button. all of the atom bomb footage I've seen has been grainy old stuff converted from film. I want to see IMAX quality 3d HD stuff.


/not really... but C'mon best korea... your brothers to the south have been at the forefront of technology for years now, and you're stuck in the early 70s.


More like the early 1870s.
2013-03-07 11:10:20 PM
1 votes:

YouPeopleAreCrazy: cptjeff: The problem is that the Best Koreans can lob a nuke or two at Seoul before our missiles get there.

Nogrhi: If I am not mistaken, they are certainly close enough to lob a nuclear based artillery shell into Seoul.

No, they can't.

1. They have maybe/possibly/probably detonated a nuclear device or two. Maybe. That does not equate to a series of launchable, deliverable, weapons.

2. They have yet to demonstrate any accurate targeting beyond 'go up, come down, hit the ocean'.
2.1 Putting something in orbit, once, is 1/3 the difficulty of putting a ballistic missile up, and bringing it down with some vague semblance of accuracy.


how accurate do you have to be to cause that funny emp effect that fries this thinga ma bopper I'm typing on?
2013-03-07 11:09:23 PM
1 votes:

hardinparamedic: You fail toxicology


Quite the opposite. But if you want to escape Darwin's grasp, you'll have to do it yourself. I can't in good conscience interfere with natural processes by trying to convince you. I've already done too much.

But, back on topic. My predictions for the seemingly inevitable confrontation, is that NK will either strike SK first hoping to provoke the US into attacking them, or the US will be struck first, and after the US is sent into chaos SK will be easily overwhelmed. China could suddenly become involved in either of these scenarios.

/hope i'm wrong, and he's really just posturing
2013-03-07 11:07:49 PM
1 votes:

Fuggin Bizzy: Olympic Trolling Judge: No. No more half-assed responses. We need to go full Honey Boo Boo on him, and the international community be damned!

We don't have a heavy bomber or missile platform capable of putting Honey Boo Boo on the peninsula. Our generals tried and tried to warn us about the Honey Boo Boo gap, but we only ridiculed them. "They're crazy," we said.

But in the end...who was really crazy? Huh?


www.hailtothee.com


Our Top Generals are well aware of our capabilities
2013-03-07 10:56:11 PM
1 votes:
i.qkme.me
2013-03-07 10:42:41 PM
1 votes:
Instead of Littoral Ships and useless tanks, we should have purchased these:

lparchive.org
2013-03-07 10:41:52 PM
1 votes:
South Korea:
derpicdn.net
2013-03-07 10:38:23 PM
1 votes:

J. Frank Parnell: I don't think i've spoken about that in years. But there's no conspiracy. Sodium fluoride is the primary and active ingredient in rat poison. Tubes of toothpaste have warnings about swallowing even small amounts of it. There's all kinds of evidence in plain view, the average person is just naive and stupid. A cover up isn't even needed. It's Darwinism in action.

/crazy like a fox!


You fail toxicology 1. No refund for your corresponance course.
2013-03-07 10:37:05 PM
1 votes:
MY TWO CENTS:
hollywood-elsewhere.com
Remember this guy?
Boris Yeltsin, former President of Russia?
He blurted some vodak fueled rant, over an open mike, about "nuking" NATO
Less than two weeks later he "stepped down" unexpectedly and Putin was in.
There are just some things you never-never-never joke about, and a nuclear holocaust is at the top of that list. Lil'Kim is soon to be gone.
2013-03-07 10:35:18 PM
1 votes:
The North Korean leader told Rodman he did not want war and he wanted our President to call him. Now they do this.

This escalation of events has reached a point where we should not help them anymore. To do so would to provide aid, assistance and comfort to an enemy. No food or aid of any kind.

This is not going to turn out well!

This is going to be a major war. I think they are going to pull the trigger.

/really not having a good day
2013-03-07 10:35:17 PM
1 votes:

bluorangefyre: look at it like this: don't take North Korea's threat to lob a nuke at the USA lightly. They did get a satellite into orbit. As I said in the other thread, all they need to do is lob one in a sub-orbital trajectory and all parts of the United States could be farked. It doesn't even need to have a nuclear warhead or be targeted at a specific target; just a conventional weapon or even a rocket that rains debris down would be enough to harm or kill people and get everybody here scared that death could rain down upon them at any time.

And should they detonate a nuke, hopefully we don't give into the temptation of firing off a few ICBMs or SLBMs. A few conventional weapons on Pyongyang would do the trick.


They do not have a functional nuclear weapon or a method to deploy them, and the United States has a global satelite network that has existed for 50 years with the express purpose of detecting nuclear launches.

There's a reason why every country warns the major nuclear players when they're launching a satelite.
2013-03-07 10:35:07 PM
1 votes:
My best guess on any worst case scenario is: Seoul gets flattened, North Korea gets defeated by a coalition of nations using conventional weapons (with us leading the way), with China ultimately abandoning crazy-ass North Korea due to global pressure. South Korea is in shambles with hundreds of thousands dead, North Korea is flattened (yet liberated) with hundreds of thousands dead, along with a vacuum in leadership and ensuing famine and misery amidst growing political tensions (with China peeing in our Coke as well as other, largely economic threats and/or retaliations). It would ultimately be death and misery in the region for years to come, and a tense ongoing China-US relationship.

static1.businessinsider.com

obligatory: "I say we nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure"
2013-03-07 10:33:42 PM
1 votes:

davidphogan: Lost Thought 00: Looks like the little tyke thinks he needs a military conflict to cement his power. We do need to wait for them to make the first move, so we have enough authority to completely wipe them out, instead of being stuck with half-measures

I wonder how much of this is a response to outside efforts (real or imagined) to destabilize the government in a transitional period.

That or he's dumber and crazier than his Dad ever was.


Couple of other possibilities:

- Un is just a puppet at this point for other senior military hardliners who are actually making these decisions.

- Un is doing the one making these decisions, but he's doing it to gain the trust and loyalty of those senior military hardliners, who may mistrust the kid with the Swiss education and love for certain aspects of Western culture (like Dennis Rodman and the Chicago Bulls).
2013-03-07 10:32:30 PM
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I look at it like this:  don't take North Korea's threat to lob a nuke at the USA lightly.  They did get a satellite into orbit.  As I said in the other thread, all they need to do is lob one in a sub-orbital trajectory and all parts of the United States could be farked.  It doesn't even need to have a nuclear warhead or be targeted at a specific target; just a conventional weapon or even a rocket that rains debris down would be enough to harm or kill people and get everybody here scared that death could rain down upon them at any time.

And should they detonate a nuke, hopefully we don't give into the temptation of firing off a few ICBMs or SLBMs.  A few conventional weapons on Pyongyang would do the trick.
2013-03-07 10:28:50 PM
1 votes:

desertfool: Un went full retard.

Never go full retard.


From this point forward full retard will be referred to as "full Un"
2013-03-07 10:26:38 PM
1 votes:

leevis: The food shortage must be pretty bad this time.


It is late late winter. This would be the time of year when famine would be most acute. Things are just about to start growing again.
2013-03-07 10:25:07 PM
1 votes:

SuperNinjaToad: guudamn man! not everyone in this world are like that.. stop being such a paranoid Tea Partier who thinks everyone is out to getcha!!


You should see his flouride conspiracy posts.  Here's a hint; he's either a crazy idiot or a troll.
2013-03-07 10:23:13 PM
1 votes:

blipponaut: You drop them in areas with minimal military coverage. Fly high and have little to worry about.


This is how we know you have no idea what you're talking about.
Someone gets caught with anything from outside~ they, and everyone in their family/apartment building goes straight to the camp. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200. They turn in family members and friends over a bowl of soup. Over a rumor. Information is powerful. And it is used for a loaf of bread.
2013-03-07 10:23:06 PM
1 votes:
4.bp.blogspot.com
2013-03-07 10:20:04 PM
1 votes:

Lost Thought 00: Did you last study strategy in 1875?


You probably believe the invasion of Iraq was revenge for 9/11.

/just like you're supposed to
2013-03-07 10:18:05 PM
1 votes:
See, the thing is. They might be hoping the US freaks out over any of their soldiers killed in the DMZ, which is exactly why you don't react to things like that so predictably.
2013-03-07 10:17:08 PM
1 votes:

J. Frank Parnell: Lost Thought 00: Uh huh. 30,000 deaths of US citizens, and no response? In this day and age, where we freak out over a single IED? Keep smoking

Often large numbers of troops are sent to their deaths just to bluff the enemy. Military strategy is cold, and every move is calculated with zero emotion. No place for revenge. Keep watching movies.


Did you last study strategy in 1875?
2013-03-07 10:16:08 PM
1 votes:

Aigoo: cptjeff: plumbicon: Is it time for some landscaping around the "Dear Comrade's"  palace?

Maybe like a glass parking lot?

Seriously, though, we know where their good stuff is, and a few JDAMs would probably do the trick.
The worst part is that the citizens who worship this ninny are the ones who'll suffer.

The problem is that the Best Koreans can lob a nuke or two at Seoul before our missiles get there.

I wouldn't bet on that.

/dad was missile electronics, I was an oxymoron my last 3 years active


Military Intelligence?
2013-03-07 10:12:57 PM
1 votes:

WTF Indeed: To be fair, this does mean the South can kill North Korean leadership whenever they want since they are legally back to open war.


The problem with this is that North Korea has a shiat ton of artillery they can bomb the South with, and it appears they would have no problem responding to any act of aggression.  They would be holy-shiat-bombed-into-oblivion soon after, but they would still make a mess of the South.
2013-03-07 10:09:54 PM
1 votes:

J. Frank Parnell: Lost Thought 00: Unless NK manages to phase through the DMZ, it's impossible to not involve us

Just because there's some US soldiers there doesn't mean there will be immediate revenge taken upon whoever kills them. They'll be called "heroes who bravely gave their lives defending freedom". Medals and flags will be given to their next of kin. Maybe there will be a TV special. Then it's just a brief note in the history books.


Uh huh. 30,000 deaths of US citizens, and no response? In this day and age, where we freak out over a single IED? Keep smoking
2013-03-07 10:08:45 PM
1 votes:

JPINFV: [trageser.com image 160x258]

I always thought this would make a good movie.


Dragon Strike, too. http://www.amazon.com/Dragon-Strike-Coming-History-ebook/dp/B003YXXL8 S
2013-03-07 10:07:15 PM
1 votes:
i2.cdn.turner.com
Here's a bunch of people who have no idea what they're in for.
2013-03-07 10:06:51 PM
1 votes:

hardinparamedic: uber humper: was amazed to look at the Chinese casualties during the Korean War (Korean War ITM); they had more casualties than the US had in WWII

Yeah. But that was during the time of Pax Communista. Mao isn't in charge any more, and they're more hungry for the US Dollar than the capitalist pigs they despite are.

The simple fact of the matter is that loss of international trade from the Allied nations involved in the Korean armistace would be devistating to the Chinese Economy. In addition, the flood of Northern refugees into China, already dealing with crippling poverty in much of it's rural population, would cause immense damage economically and politically.


I totally agree. Even if, they would actually use strategy and tactics this time around, other than throwing  walls of meat.

China probably wants nothing to change, keeping the status quo so that they don't end up with a pro US government on their border.
2013-03-07 10:05:26 PM
1 votes:
Wow, drones just got a little more popular all of a sudden I see.
2013-03-07 10:05:19 PM
1 votes:

doyner: Sure, a bunch of Worst Koreans would die, along with a bunch of Americans, but Best Korea must know that they would be obliterated in no time if they pulled that shiat.  In the process, China would be flooded with refugees it doesn't want.

If they have an ounce of rationality, this is merely bluster.  If not, it will be an ugly war ending with the obliteration of Best Korea in relatively short order.

Make no mistake about the South Koreans.  They can be brutal too.  See: Vietnam.


no shiat! When I was in LA the Korean thugs was quite intimidating and I've been to East St. Louis plenty time. I would rather take on black thugs than korean gangsters.
2013-03-07 10:04:36 PM
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Gawdzila: Wanebo: AnythingBacon: The last thing in the world we'll do is drop a nuke, even in retaliation.

After having visited Hiroshima and Nagasaki I'd have to say your statement is one of the most stupid statements I have ever encountered in my life.

Visiting Hiroshima doesn't give you any more expertise on the issue than anyone else, and it isn't stupid; you're being hyperbolic.

Is it possible?  Yeah, but I don't think it is likely, in part because of Hiroshima.  Everyone knows how horrendous those things are, and we've developed a bunch of alternatives for exactly that reason.  They don't only hurt the people you drop them on.  They're the most ham-fisted military instrument in the arsenal and they come with a huge number of social and diplomatic repercussions.  They exist now almost solely as deterrents via MAD.  If someone is ACTUALLY stupid enough to launch a nuclear attack, nukes have already failed at their primary purpose and unless the country launching them actually has enough nuclear capability to significantly damage our ability to retaliate (and NK certainly doesn't), I really don't think we're going to push the button.  We will retaliate quickly, however, and with overwhelming force.


This
2013-03-07 10:03:22 PM
1 votes:

Zeno-25: South Korea has quite the capable military.


Not only that, every neighborhood has a command and control structure in case of invasion. They never forgot what happened to them. They are more prepared than any country in the world.
2013-03-07 10:02:09 PM
1 votes:

uber humper: was amazed to look at the Chinese casualties during the Korean War (Korean War ITM); they had more casualties than the US had in WWII


Yeah. But that was during the time of Pax Communista. Mao isn't in charge any more, and they're more hungry for the US Dollar than the capitalist pigs they despite are.

The simple fact of the matter is that loss of international trade from the Allied nations involved in the Korean armistace would be devistating to the Chinese Economy. In addition, the flood of Northern refugees into China, already dealing with crippling poverty in much of it's rural population, would cause immense damage economically and politically.
2013-03-07 09:59:54 PM
1 votes:
Regarding this video that NK supposedly released, is that some Taepodong missle?

Because it looks like some Taepobuttplug missle.
2013-03-07 09:58:48 PM
1 votes:
Humm ,makes me think of " the mouse that roared".
And MASH is on TV Land.
2013-03-07 09:57:37 PM
1 votes:

Bontesla: I'm growing bored of this little crazy baby man. When can we replace him?


I have to wonder if we've ever gently nudged China and said "Hey, uh...if you wanted to oust the Kims and replace them with a new puppet state, that'd be OK with us..."
2013-03-07 09:56:28 PM
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NewportBarGuy: $20 says if they go for a first strike 90% of their fixed artillery explodes trying to send off the first round.


That's kind of what I'm thinking.

We (the US) must know where most of their artillery is and we could probably take 90% of it out in a first strike even if NK's artillery even still works.

Their missiles don't really work very well and even if they could deliver a nuke, are they really that crazy? I guess they might have a chance of hitting Seoul, but setting off a nuke that close to your own border is bound to have negative side effects.

I'd give them a 20% chance of hitting Japan with a nuke, but why should NK hit Japan? Japan is not a threat to them. They know Japan is an ally of the US. That would only be signing their own death warrant. Are they still upset about the whole comfort women thing? Hey, the Japanese did horrible things to US servicemen during WWII but we've kissed and made up and they're not like that anymore.

Someone should really read "The Boy Who Cried Wolf" to Kim Jong Un. I'm really not interested in any
"threats" coming from North Korea. We'eve heard it before. (and besides, I live well outside the range of any NK missiles).
2013-03-07 09:56:23 PM
1 votes:

lack of warmth: Lenny_da_Hog: On the bright side, M*A*S*H was a great series. It could use a sequel.

I am a big fan of MASH, and I wonder what Alda would say right now.  When he took over, the show got all anti-war feel about it.  Is he ticked that after all this time the war was never really over and it may heat up again?

It does seem weird to take up arms again over the same issues when the men that fought it the first time are passing away of old age.  I had a coworker who was infantry during the last fight with NK, barely got a word from him about it.  His obit. said more about his service.  He passed away getting close to two years ago.


MASH took place in Korea, and was set during the Korean War, but it was really about Vietnam. Vietnam was still too recent and painful to discuss very openly.
2013-03-07 09:56:15 PM
1 votes:
"Kim Jong Un slipped while dunking basketball today and broke he neck. Not know how happened. So sorry. Can we have pearl necklace now?"
2013-03-07 09:56:05 PM
1 votes:

Wanebo: AnythingBacon: The last thing in the world we'll do is drop a nuke, even in retaliation.

After having visited Hiroshima and Nagasaki I'd have to say your statement is one of the most stupid statements I have ever encountered in my life. The possibility of politicians and statesmen doing the impossible is legendary and gruesome.

Are you really that bereft of sense?


As a kid I was captivated by a framed picture my dad had of Nagasaki after the bombing. Years down the road my dad had an opportunity to meet a couple of the crew members and they autographed it. To meet the hands that unleashed this power AND get them to sign the photo would be farking awesome.
2013-03-07 09:51:41 PM
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chewd: [img836.imageshack.us image 500x330]

[img199.imageshack.us image 700x467]

Uh oh!


Paper beats rock...

www.esquire.com
2013-03-07 09:51:27 PM
1 votes:

Non-evil Monkey: If it comes to shooting, China will either sit on the sidelines (after making it abundantly clear that American and South Korean troops are not to cross their border under any circumstances) or simply invade North Korea themselves since if it's going to happen anyways. they might as well do it on their own terms. The mere fact they voted for the sanctions instead of vetoing it tells us that it's pretty much a forgone conclusion that they will not back North Korea should they start another war.


It would be fairly obvious that the sanctions would go through with overwhelming support, so China voting for them or not wouldn't have changed anything, and them voting for it serves to convince people China isn't working with the same script as NK, which would be a good ruse if they in fact are.

I personally think China and NK, along with other countries, are all plotting something against the US. And they won't make it obvious until the very last moment.
2013-03-07 09:51:00 PM
1 votes:

Weaver95: neongoats:
Uh, I like you and stuff. But we are still technically at war with Best Korea. There will be no congressional hand wringing about what to do about Korea.

are you at ALL familiar with the Republican party...?


Yes, of course, they are full on, hurp to the head derpmongers. But this is a situation where the constitutional powers are explicitly very clear and unambiguous. I know, they only get Jesus points for killing Muslims, but it's still a war, and unlike the Middle East, even Russia and China are facepalming over the Nork behaviour.
2013-03-07 09:50:05 PM
1 votes:
Weaver95:

because the South koreans are sane.  the North Koreans are the f*cking zerg.

More like the Human Hive, but that's beside the point.  The South Koreans have been spending just as much money on getting ready for war as the Norks, with the benefit of their major patron not going belly-up in 1991.  Expect something akin to the first year of Operation Barbarossa if the two ever go to war.  The North may have millions of men, but the South has millions of bullets.
2013-03-07 09:49:35 PM
1 votes:

Xyphoid: Yeah, a lot of people buying into US propaganda about how great we are and how terrible they are.

Let's cover this:
Military - No easy feat - the terrain is mountainous and the positions entrenched.  Air and sea support is rendered useless by terrain, and we can't do the kind of civilian casualties in non-mountainous terrain like the first war.  This wouldn't be fun, and we still have Afghanistan to fight.

Economy - South Korea is the 15th biggest economy in the world, a lot of that tied up in Seoul.  North Korea has been rather obvious in making it known that their first strike would obliterate Seoul.  Even if, as claimed earlier (which I disagree with), 90% of the artillery pieces failed, that 10% would wreck Seoul.  The humanitarian crisis because of so many displaced people would ruin the economy there.  Let's not even begin to cover cost.

Goal:  We can either nation-build (bad at it) a country with almost zero infrastructure, agriculture and technology, abandon it to a new crisis between South Korea and China over land/border disputes, or give it back "Iraq Style" and watch as the military and aristocracy there fight it out and leave it relatively as bad as before.

All that said, keep on waving those flags and acting like it won't be a big deal, or that they are just super inept.  Someone would have to be out there in the shiat, though, and I don't think many people, if any, are willing to volunteer.


Uh, the North only has about 20 gun positions that have the range to even reach the outskirts of Seoul. Those encampments would be destroyed in minutes if they fired thanks to the advanced counter-battery system the South and the US have in place in the DMZ.

Most of those guns are either short ranged, <25km artillery cannon, or fakes.

While I understand your point, you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the geopolitical state between the North and China, as well as the North and South.
2013-03-07 09:49:11 PM
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cc_rider: "The sanctions include wider bans on the sale of military technology and luxury goods, including gems, pearl jewellery, yachts and luxury cars."

Oh yeah, that'll show 'em.

I feel bad for the starving North Koreans who don't give a shiat about any of this. May this horrible regime collapse peacefully and soon-ish.


Honestly, yeah... it will show them.  The people (or person, rather) making all the decisions in NK gobble all that luxury shiat up.  They decry us to the population and then pull out the duPont Registry and go shopping.  This move is like taking a baby's toys away when it is being bad and hitting people with them.

And I agree, I hope by some miracle an actual functional country can peacefully pop up in NK.  That place is like an Orwellian nightmare, and the population is going to need a lot of psychotherapy if/when they come into contact with the outside.  A lot of them probably have no real clue what the world outside NK is like.
Maybe we'll finally have a job for all the psychology majors we graduate?
2013-03-07 09:45:59 PM
1 votes:

Old_Chief_Scott: cc_rider: Oh yeah, that'll show 'em.

I feel bad for the starving North Koreans who don't give a shiat about any of this. May this horrible regime collapse peacefully and soon-ish

I recently came across a video of a train in North Korea ( I am something of a train enthusiast and you know how that youtube shiat goes, one thing lead to another etc).  It is a steam locomotive. An old steam locomotive. And for fuel it is burning old rubber tires as it trundles through an absolutely barren landscape.

Sad.

North Best Korea is incapable of sustained conflict.


The country has resources, but they're not available to the populace at large. The obscene luxury in which the party and its cronies live will eventually end -- and badly.

Until then, it is as many have observed: more attention whoring and saber rattling.
2013-03-07 09:45:21 PM
1 votes:

namegoeshere: So MASH is back on, then?


That would be the best thing that happened to TV in the last 30 years
2013-03-07 09:45:10 PM
1 votes:

NEDM: Weaver95:
by the time we got our troops in theatre enough to do anything effective, we'd have lost most of south korea, if not all of it.  there's even a chance the Norks could hit Japan.  for extra giggles, NK could rack off some rounds at Taiwan.  meanwhile, we'll spend time bogged down in debate about sequester cuts and who's gonna pay for the logistics requires to recall our reservists, get 'em combat ready and geared, then put them on the ground in theater.  forget about any sort of economic recover - not only did those spending cuts kick us in the nuts, we also just took a lot of reservists out of the economy and put 'em on the front lines.

Why does everyone assume that the South Koreans are total pansies, and would get rolled?  They've spent the past 60 years building up their military as well.  They might not have the sheer mass of men under arms that the North has, but THEIR troops are actually fed, and they most certainly have better force multipliers.


because the South koreans are sane.  the North Koreans are the f*cking zerg.
2013-03-07 09:44:37 PM
1 votes:

Pointy Tail of Satan: Lets not forget to use a lot of nukes close to the Chinese border.The more fallout the better.


pnmedia.gamespy.com

China is generous... very generous
2013-03-07 09:43:57 PM
1 votes:

neongoats: Weaver95: devildog123: Weaver95: devildog123:

I'm thinking we're good.

And yet, i'm thinking we're not.

Seriously, if Un had his troops crossed the border tomorrow, or even in the next few months, what part of the sequester would effect our response?  Most of our combat troops at this point are actually combat veterans, and I doubt they're going to forget how to fight in the next few months, even if all they did was lay around at home and drink beer (which, I promise you, they aren't doing).  Do you think they wouldn't bump up military funding if we had to go balls deep in Korea?  Would a war be good?  Of course not.  I'm just saying, we have the resources to handle it.  Only in your little mind are all our troops camped out in Israel, defending those evil zionists you hate so much.

by the time we got our troops in theatre enough to do anything effective, we'd have lost most of south korea, if not all of it.  there's even a chance the Norks could hit Japan.  for extra giggles, NK could rack off some rounds at Taiwan.  meanwhile, we'll spend time bogged down in debate about sequester cuts and who's gonna pay for the logistics requires to recall our reservists, get 'em combat ready and geared, then put them on the ground in theater.  forget about any sort of economic recover - not only did those spending cuts kick us in the nuts, we also just took a lot of reservists out of the economy and put 'em on the front lines.

then when we redeploy, Iran gets to ramp up their efforts to build a nuclear weapon.  Israel gets f*cking paranoid as hell and if we're not around to calm 'em down, they might decide to kick off WWIII in the middle east.

end result?  we get f*cked from both ends, the GOP blames Obama and our country implodes into economic instability and political chaos.

Uh, I like you and stuff. But we are still technically at war with Best Korea. There will be no congressional hand wringing about what to do about Korea.


I don't think it was ever "officially" declared as anything but a police action

i'd have to ask harry truman but the misery mofo never answers his phone anymore :(
2013-03-07 09:43:39 PM
1 votes:

DamnYankees: Well, there's a DMZ for a reason.


librako.files.wordpress.com
2013-03-07 09:43:35 PM
1 votes:

Great Janitor: hardinparamedic: Great Janitor: Okay, instead of drones, bombers under fighter jet escort, to the largest North Korean city, bomb it until it is a memory. Repeat until they surrender or until there is no such thing as a North Korean. Better that then sending our troops into yet another ground war.

So, a war crime, then?

Because it's pretty commonly accepted that carpet-bombing civilian areas went out of vogue at the end of World War II, and was a pretty ineffective and dick move in Vietnam.

Yeah, I thought of that, but if North Korea started a war, how soon would the North Korean government start conscripting all males in the country 17 years and older?  The North Korean government does have a policy of requiring all males to serve in the military for a couple of years.  So it isn't so much killing civilians as taking out reserved forces.


All males enter military service at age 17 for a period of 5 or more years. Many women too (though most get pulled into the "pleasure corps" which is pretty farked up). From that point on you're considered an active reservist until age 49. Which would give them a total army of well over 6 million people, 1.1 million of which are currently active duty. It's not a small army by any stretch of the imagination... not sure if they'd have near the munitions to actually supply that many people without doing the whole taking-back-Stalingrad thing.
2013-03-07 09:43:23 PM
1 votes:

Snarfangel: So... will Obama use the earthquake machine, the typhoon device, the tsunami impeller, or the meteorite mass-driver this time?


Well... the brain cancer inducer is out...
2013-03-07 09:42:05 PM
1 votes:

Counter_Intelligent: Is that really Dennis Rodman in drag?


He does that all the time. He and Un probably talked a lot about how hard it is to find a dress that fits.
2013-03-07 09:42:05 PM
1 votes:

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Let them starve.


Hasn't stopped them yet.
2013-03-07 09:41:55 PM
1 votes:

Weaver95: devildog123: Weaver95: devildog123:

I'm thinking we're good.

And yet, i'm thinking we're not.

Seriously, if Un had his troops crossed the border tomorrow, or even in the next few months, what part of the sequester would effect our response?  Most of our combat troops at this point are actually combat veterans, and I doubt they're going to forget how to fight in the next few months, even if all they did was lay around at home and drink beer (which, I promise you, they aren't doing).  Do you think they wouldn't bump up military funding if we had to go balls deep in Korea?  Would a war be good?  Of course not.  I'm just saying, we have the resources to handle it.  Only in your little mind are all our troops camped out in Israel, defending those evil zionists you hate so much.

by the time we got our troops in theatre enough to do anything effective, we'd have lost most of south korea, if not all of it.  there's even a chance the Norks could hit Japan.  for extra giggles, NK could rack off some rounds at Taiwan.  meanwhile, we'll spend time bogged down in debate about sequester cuts and who's gonna pay for the logistics requires to recall our reservists, get 'em combat ready and geared, then put them on the ground in theater.  forget about any sort of economic recover - not only did those spending cuts kick us in the nuts, we also just took a lot of reservists out of the economy and put 'em on the front lines.

then when we redeploy, Iran gets to ramp up their efforts to build a nuclear weapon.  Israel gets f*cking paranoid as hell and if we're not around to calm 'em down, they might decide to kick off WWIII in the middle east.

end result?  we get f*cked from both ends, the GOP blames Obama and our country implodes into economic instability and political chaos.


Uh, I like you and stuff. But we are still technically at war with Best Korea. There will be no congressional hand wringing about what to do about Korea.
2013-03-07 09:41:26 PM
1 votes:
I can just see this happening right now at FattyDingDong's palace in Pyongyang:

i49.tinypic.com

"No good little American punks! They think they're so cool and smart. I'LL SHOW THEM! I'm gonna call them up and tell them that they suck and I'm so hot that I get all the girls and that they'd better treat me with some RES-PECT and give me whatever I want or I'm gonna use these things that Daddy left for me. Yeah! They won't be laughing at me anymore if I do that!"

"GUARDS! FIRE UP THE GENERATOR! I wish to make a phone call!"
2013-03-07 09:41:25 PM
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TV's Vinnie: greentea1985: Now the question will be how China reacts. We already know China is pissed at North Korea, after all China helped write and voted for the recent set of sanctions. The smart move will be to wait until Kim Jong Un starts an attack. Although he is being aggressive, neither the US nor South Korea should fire the first shot.

China was once Vietnam's Bestest Bro, but that didn't stop them from slapping 'Nam's sh*t around in the 70's after the US was long gone from there.


Part of the problem is that China considers most of East Asia to be wayward children that will one day be reannexed to the motherland. The Vietnamese fought a pretty good guerrilla war led by the Nguyen sisters about 1500 years ago or so to toss their asses out.
2013-03-07 09:40:43 PM
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So... will Obama use the earthquake machine, the typhoon device, the tsunami impeller, or the meteorite mass-driver this time?
2013-03-07 09:39:14 PM
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scubamage: IamAwake: hardinparamedic: hat would lead to a nuclear retaliation by China the moment a fallout cloud drifts over their border.

how in the world would they be able to distinguish it from the polluted air they already have/make?

The current stuff makes you choke.

The new stuff will make you choke as you grow a second head and develop lymphoma.


Or, you know, China is in the wrong direction to have to worry about fallout.
2013-03-07 09:39:14 PM
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Yeah, a lot of people buying into US propaganda about how great we are and how terrible they are.

Let's cover this:
Military - No easy feat - the terrain is mountainous and the positions entrenched.  Air and sea support is rendered useless by terrain, and we can't do the kind of civilian casualties in non-mountainous terrain like the first war.  This wouldn't be fun, and we still have Afghanistan to fight.

Economy - South Korea is the 15th biggest economy in the world, a lot of that tied up in Seoul.  North Korea has been rather obvious in making it known that their first strike would obliterate Seoul.  Even if, as claimed earlier (which I disagree with), 90% of the artillery pieces failed, that 10% would wreck Seoul.  The humanitarian crisis because of so many displaced people would ruin the economy there.  Let's not even begin to cover cost.

Goal:  We can either nation-build (bad at it) a country with almost zero infrastructure, agriculture and technology, abandon it to a new crisis between South Korea and China over land/border disputes, or give it back "Iraq Style" and watch as the military and aristocracy there fight it out and leave it relatively as bad as before.

All that said, keep on waving those flags and acting like it won't be a big deal, or that they are just super inept.  Someone would have to be out there in the shiat, though, and I don't think many people, if any, are willing to volunteer.
2013-03-07 09:37:56 PM
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Just be sure to grab this first:

www.wshin.com

It'll make things that much faster.


/or perhaps turn on insta-gib mode
2013-03-07 09:36:56 PM
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hardinparamedic: Great Janitor: Okay, instead of drones, bombers under fighter jet escort, to the largest North Korean city, bomb it until it is a memory. Repeat until they surrender or until there is no such thing as a North Korean. Better that then sending our troops into yet another ground war.

So, a war crime, then?

Because it's pretty commonly accepted that carpet-bombing civilian areas went out of vogue at the end of World War II, and was a pretty ineffective and dick move in Vietnam.


Yeah, I thought of that, but if North Korea started a war, how soon would the North Korean government start conscripting all males in the country 17 years and older?  The North Korean government does have a policy of requiring all males to serve in the military for a couple of years.  So it isn't so much killing civilians as taking out reserved forces.
2013-03-07 09:35:46 PM
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If it comes to shooting, China will either sit on the sidelines (after making it abundantly clear that American and South Korean troops are not to cross their border under any circumstances) or simply invade North Korea themselves since if it's going to happen anyways. they might as well do it on their own terms.  The mere fact they voted for the sanctions instead of vetoing it tells us that it's pretty much a forgone conclusion that they will not back North Korea should they start another war.


Of course as always with North Korea, this could just be another case of a day ending in "y",  any Farkers know if have they ever explicitly shredded the ceasefire agreement before?
2013-03-07 09:34:56 PM
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imageshack.us
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
2013-03-07 09:33:29 PM
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I really don't think you have to worry about the US getting very involved if they attack SK. There would be a barrage of speeches condemning the attack, but that's about it. All the talk of fighting oppression in the name of freedom is really just propaganda. There's nothing to gain by responding, so they won't.
2013-03-07 09:33:15 PM
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The Haberdasher: North Korea won't be taken seriously until they have to be taken seriously. Then everyone will wonder why they weren't taken seriously earlier.

If they are so harmless why the sanctions?


There's a big gap between "not taking them seriously" and "nuking a major population center over saber rattling"
2013-03-07 09:32:48 PM
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I hate to interrupt your NK/SK wankfest here, but I thought I'd better inform you of something REALLY important going on in this world.

JUSTIN BIEBER WAS JUST RUSHED TO THE HOSPITAL WITH BREATHING DIFFICULTIES!
2013-03-07 09:32:42 PM
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greentea1985: Now the question will be how China reacts. We already know China is pissed at North Korea, after all China helped write and voted for the recent set of sanctions. The smart move will be to wait until Kim Jong Un starts an attack. Although he is being aggressive, neither the US nor South Korea should fire the first shot.


China was once Vietnam's Bestest Bro, but that didn't stop them from slapping 'Nam's sh*t around in the 70's after the US was long gone from there.
2013-03-07 09:30:45 PM
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germ78: SN1987a goes boom: [encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com image 261x193]

If China doesn't support them (and come on, who would they rather lose their biggest trading partner or constant shiat-stirrers?), then the potential war will last all of 5 farking seconds.

Something tells me that China is going to try to play both sides in this conflict.

/supply NorKor with food and fuel
//deny that they are doing so


I can see them doing that, but if NK went full nuclear retard, then I doubt very much they would throw in with them.
2013-03-07 09:28:04 PM
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FTFA: "A foreign ministry spokesman warned a second Korean war was "unavoidable", because the US and South Korea had refused to cancel their joint military exercise."

FTOFA:"North Korea vows nuclear attack on US, saying Washington will be 'engulfed in a sea of fire'"

starling.rinet.ru

Well it's one two three
What are we fighting for?
Don't ask me I don't like Sharia
next stop is North Korea

Well we've had our fun
Killing all those Mid East guys
Well, there ain't no time to wonder why
Whoopee we're all gonna die!

/got nuthin'
2013-03-07 09:27:07 PM
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Testiclaw: Prickly Pete: I hope we see a unified Korea in our lifetimes.

The logistics are an absolute nightmare, in every sense of the word, but I would love to see North Koreans free and able to experience the world and all it has to offer.


The biggest logistical nightmare I can see would be the likelihood of mass suicides when the Great Successor dies. The guy rules by personality cult, like his predecessors, and if even 0.1% of the populace decides to follow him into the grave, that's almost 25,000 people.

This is a pity. It is also a pity that there exist people without whom the world would genuinely be a better place, but the speed with which Kim Jong-Un has become one may well break some records.
2013-03-07 09:27:05 PM
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Great Janitor: Okay, instead of drones, bombers under fighter jet escort, to the largest North Korean city, bomb it until it is a memory. Repeat until they surrender or until there is no such thing as a North Korean. Better that then sending our troops into yet another ground war.


So, a war crime, then?

Because it's pretty commonly accepted that carpet-bombing civilian areas went out of vogue at the end of World War II, and was a pretty ineffective and dick move in Vietnam.
2013-03-07 09:26:29 PM
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Weaver95: devildog123:

I'm thinking we're good.

And yet, i'm thinking we're not.


My sole concern would be the size of the NK standing army. It's currently at 1.1 million, with well over 5 million more reservists (automatic conscription at age 17 for 5 years for all males, and many females).

I have no idea what state their military is in though technology wise, though I can imagine China has probably kept them pretty well up to date.
2013-03-07 09:25:11 PM
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fark you NK.

Am I here early enough to stop the "container ship" retards yet?

I'm punching the first pants wetting container ship wackjob in the nuts.
2013-03-07 09:24:45 PM
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Seeing as the demand for electronics from Samsung and LG is not declining, and China's middle class continues to grow, having a new source of cheap manufacturing in the area has lots of economic benefits. North Korea's location is perfect, being located midway between two of the world's fastest growing and most economically powerful cities.

/come at me bro
2013-03-07 09:23:47 PM
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Does this mean the Dodgers can't use Hyun-Jin Ryu  as a starting pitcher ??
2013-03-07 09:23:14 PM
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scubamage: If we reduce north Korea to a glass parking lot, then technically we have unified Korea, right?


Sorta. Unless someone decides to dust off the "Project Plowshare" plans, and turn South Korea into an island.
2013-03-07 09:20:39 PM
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The sanctions include wider bans on the sale of military technology and luxury goods, including gems, pearl jewellery, yachts and luxury cars.

So THAT'S what it took to finally get them to abrogate the ceasefire.
2013-03-07 09:19:50 PM
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Prickly Pete: I hope we see a unified Korea in our lifetimes.


If we reduce north Korea to a glass parking lot, then technically we have unified Korea, right? 100% of living Koreans in that area will be in South Korea.
2013-03-07 09:19:20 PM
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cptjeff: plumbicon: Is it time for some landscaping around the "Dear Comrade's"  palace?

Maybe like a glass parking lot?

Seriously, though, we know where their good stuff is, and a few JDAMs would probably do the trick.
The worst part is that the citizens who worship this ninny are the ones who'll suffer.

The problem is that the Best Koreans can lob a nuke or two at Seoul before our missiles get there.


i.imgur.com
Doubt it.
2013-03-07 09:18:30 PM
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Donau: Our government often assumes that the leadership of other nations will act rationally in their best interests


Fark, our government often assumes our own government will act rationally and in our best interests.
2013-03-07 09:18:11 PM
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www.adafruit.com

'Cause it's more derp.
2013-03-07 09:16:59 PM
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"I do not think the regime in Pyongyang wants to commit suicide, but that, as they must surely know, would be the result of any attack on the United States," Senator Bob Menendez told the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

This is assuming the leadership of North Korea is rational...

Our government often assumes that the leadership of other nations will act rationally in their best interests, normally this would be a reasonable expectation...

But of course this is Best Korea we're talking about...
2013-03-07 09:16:44 PM
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Great Janitor: I say we just drop one nuclear bomb and end this one real fast.


You don't want that to happen. That would lead to a nuclear retaliation by China the moment a fallout cloud drifts over their border.
2013-03-07 09:16:15 PM
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Do they have a pact with Iran on who makes useless threats.  Iran takes even years and NK takes odd?
2013-03-07 09:15:40 PM
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RickN99: Weaver95: i'm SO glad we put most of our operational military in the middle east to protect Israel from the consequences of their own stupidity.  oooo!  plus the GOP slap fight over taxes that ended up with the sequester cuts and impacting military readiness.  awesome job guys!  thanks!

You should write a poem about this for your 9th grade lit class.  Maybe you'll get a B and your parents will bump up your allowance.


If I'd wanted to hear your opinion, i'd have beaten it out of you.  now go get yer shine box.
2013-03-07 09:14:54 PM
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"OK, OK, hold on. We're sending someone in to negotiate"

www.thepostconsumerreview.com
2013-03-07 09:14:32 PM
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Omahawg: [25.media.tumblr.com image 480x267]


Featuring Donald Sutherland as the Clumsy Waiter!
2013-03-07 09:14:19 PM
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seadoo2006: So, answer me this: Has Best Korea significantly improved their rocket technology from what I can buy at the hobby shop, or are they still dropping ICBMs into the ocean 3 miles from launch?


Apparently they did actually launch a multi-staged rocket and achieved orbit just recently. Unless I missed the part about it not being true.

The U.S. also has an anti-ICBM system in place. Hopefully it works well enough. The greater threat is us being pulled into a land war to defend South Korea.
2013-03-07 09:14:19 PM
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SN1987a goes boom: [encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com image 261x193]

If China doesn't support them (and come on, who would they rather lose their biggest trading partner or constant shiat-stirrers?), then the potential war will last all of 5 farking seconds.


Better to have a puny shiat-stirrer than being the one to cause trouble. NK is a great way for China to keep the region interesting so they can throw their weight around and use it as a bargaining chip to keep NK under control. It's why you have NK pulling this kind of stuff almost like clockwork every couple months.
2013-03-07 09:14:18 PM
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Is that really Dennis Rodman in drag?
2013-03-07 09:13:18 PM
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Lost Thought 00: seadoo2006: So, answer me this: Has Best Korea significantly improved their rocket technology from what I can buy at the hobby shop, or are they still dropping ICBMs into the ocean 3 miles from launch?

Last attempt hit the 25 mile mark or so, I think. Enough to brush Japan


If I am not mistaken, they are certainly close enough to lob a nuclear based artillery shell into Seoul.  They have LOTS of artillery.
2013-03-07 09:13:17 PM
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plumbicon: Is it time for some landscaping around the "Dear Comrade's"  palace?

Maybe like a glass parking lot?

Seriously, though, we know where their good stuff is, and a few JDAMs would probably do the trick.
The worst part is that the citizens who worship this ninny are the ones who'll suffer.


The problem is that the Best Koreans can lob a nuke or two at Seoul before our missiles get there.
2013-03-07 09:12:40 PM
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Kim Jong-un seems to have a considerably itchier bottom than Kim Jong-il.
2013-03-07 09:12:39 PM
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Tymast: Stir fry the dogs of war!


Cry hot wok....
2013-03-07 09:12:33 PM
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SN1987a goes boom: [encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com image 261x193]

If China doesn't support them (and come on, who would they rather lose their biggest trading partner or constant shiat-stirrers?), then the potential war will last all of 5 farking seconds.


Gulf War 1 would probably be the best analogy
2013-03-07 09:12:15 PM
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fark it. Wipe the fat fark off the face of the earth. Turn the whole country into a swimming pool.
/I could never be president
2013-03-07 09:11:58 PM
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Solid State Vittles: Wouldn't have happened if Bill Wennington or Luc Longley went. Just sayin'.


I doubt they would have sent Will Perdue in the deal if that were the case.
2013-03-07 09:11:54 PM
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Does the NK Army even have enough fuel to reach Seoul?
2013-03-07 09:11:29 PM
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Please nuke Washington. A fresh start is about the best thing we can expect from that place anymore.
2013-03-07 09:11:23 PM
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China might be N. Korea's somewhat ally, but they of course realize the current economic relationship they have with us is very beneficial and they would be stupid to oppose us if anything did happen, and smart to help us destroy N.K. and introduce them diabetes, heart disease, internet, and general laziness.
2013-03-07 09:10:25 PM
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media1.policymic.com
2013-03-07 09:09:24 PM
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North Korea is the Nicki Minaj of Koreas.
2013-03-07 09:08:46 PM
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DeltaPunch: On a more serious note, does it mean anything that China also voted to toughen sanctions against NK? Do they usually vote that way, or is this something new?


It means China, for whatever reason, is less concerned than usual about a refugee rush
2013-03-07 09:08:33 PM
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SpdrJay: N. Korea is like your bratty, insolent little cousin that you know you're gonna knock the crap out of some day.


ll-media.tmz.com
2013-03-07 09:07:42 PM
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pippi longstocking: Bullshiat. Wag the dog.


so who benefits from this conspiracy of yours?
2013-03-07 09:07:31 PM
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Damn, they might actually believe they have a shot at this.

Echo chamber enough to make Cantor jealous.
2013-03-07 09:06:49 PM
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On a more serious note, does it mean anything that China also voted to toughen sanctions against NK? Do they usually vote that way, or is this something new?
2013-03-07 09:05:43 PM
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Lost Thought 00: Looks like the little tyke thinks he needs a military conflict to cement his power. We do need to wait for them to make the first move, so we have enough authority to completely wipe them out, instead of being stuck with half-measures


No we don't.  It's back to an open state of warfare.  We can flatten it like a pancake with no further acts of provocation.  The only question is if we can strike hard and fast enough to prevent any retaliation.
2013-03-07 09:04:08 PM
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WTF Indeed: To be fair, this does mean the South can kill North Korean leadership whenever they want since they are legally back to open war.


In that case if I were S Korea that Un would not last the night.
2013-03-07 09:03:42 PM
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2013-03-07 09:02:12 PM
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Well, there's a DMZ for a reason.
2013-03-07 09:02:11 PM
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Looks like the little tyke thinks he needs a military conflict to cement his power. We do need to wait for them to make the first move, so we have enough authority to completely wipe them out, instead of being stuck with half-measures
2013-03-07 09:01:26 PM
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Good thing we got Gangnm Style before the nukes.
2013-03-07 09:00:47 PM
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MaudlinMutantMollusk: F*ck Un

/cut off the food


The people will starve and Un will eat the poor kids.
2013-03-07 09:00:35 PM
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The pudgy un must think that this is just like call of Duty, or some other FPS game.

Fine, then.  Let's show him what happens when Spc. Ops lays waste to his team with a remote air strike, then camps his respawn point.
2013-03-07 09:00:17 PM
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This shiatty headline is what they went with?
2013-03-07 08:59:03 PM
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N. Korea is like your bratty, insolent little cousin that you know you're gonna knock the crap out of some day.
2013-03-07 08:59:02 PM
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F*ck Un

/cut off the food
2013-03-07 08:58:02 PM
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NewportBarGuy: $20 says if they go for a first strike 90% of their fixed artillery explodes trying to send off the first round.


No bet.
2013-03-07 08:57:23 PM
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Come at me bro. Seriously, come at me.
2013-03-07 08:57:01 PM
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Un went full retard.

Never go full retard.
2013-03-07 08:56:52 PM
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Well.

Looks like the 2nd ID is going to have some fun tonight.
2013-03-07 08:56:22 PM
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China's little darlings
2013-03-07 08:56:19 PM
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Ooooh, yay, another full-scale ground war the US is going to be in ... is this a repeat from the 1950s?
2013-03-07 08:56:14 PM
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namegoeshere: So MASH is back on, then?


I smell M.A.S.H. reunion.
2013-03-07 08:49:33 PM
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They have internet access? They have electricity?
2013-03-07 08:37:57 PM
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Great. Now South Korea has to pay $1 per message to talk to them.
 
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