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2013-03-07 10:14:35 PM
Why do people initially jump to blowing the place off the map? Then what? Have 10 million or so pissed off survivors with nowhere to go but S. Korea or China?

If we just started a campaign of dropping food, long range communication devices, portable DVD players, S. Korean magazines, movies, etc... it'd probably do a lot more to disrupt the suppressed culture up there. Label everything as being from your S. Korean and American friends and just wait. Information is more powerful, and it's something these people sorely lack. Look at what happened to China when things opened up.
 
2013-03-07 10:15:26 PM

Lost Thought 00: Uh huh. 30,000 deaths of US citizens, and no response? In this day and age, where we freak out over a single IED? Keep smoking


Often large numbers of troops are sent to their deaths just to bluff the enemy. Military strategy is cold, and every move is calculated with zero emotion. No place for revenge. Keep watching movies.
 
2013-03-07 10:16:08 PM

Aigoo: cptjeff: plumbicon: Is it time for some landscaping around the "Dear Comrade's"  palace?

Maybe like a glass parking lot?

Seriously, though, we know where their good stuff is, and a few JDAMs would probably do the trick.
The worst part is that the citizens who worship this ninny are the ones who'll suffer.

The problem is that the Best Koreans can lob a nuke or two at Seoul before our missiles get there.

I wouldn't bet on that.

/dad was missile electronics, I was an oxymoron my last 3 years active


Military Intelligence?
 
2013-03-07 10:16:15 PM

blipponaut: If we just started a campaign of dropping food, long range communication devices, portable DVD players, S. Korean magazines, movies, etc... it'd probably do a lot more to disrupt the suppressed culture up there. Label everything as being from your S. Korean and American friends and just wait. Information is more powerful, and it's something these people sorely lack. Look at what happened to China when things opened up.


Because N. Korea would just let you do that.
 
2013-03-07 10:16:49 PM

Lost Thought 00: J. Frank Parnell: Lost Thought 00: Unless NK manages to phase through the DMZ, it's impossible to not involve us

Just because there's some US soldiers there doesn't mean there will be immediate revenge taken upon whoever kills them. They'll be called "heroes who bravely gave their lives defending freedom". Medals and flags will be given to their next of kin. Maybe there will be a TV special. Then it's just a brief note in the history books.

Uh huh. 30,000 deaths of US citizens, and no response? In this day and age, where we freak out over a single IED? Keep smoking


Are you kidding? The GOP goes on a derp frenzy over not knowing exactly how an ambassador died 20 minutes after an incident. 30,000 deaths? The feces will be flung with such velocity it could knock the planet off it's orbit.
 
2013-03-07 10:17:08 PM

J. Frank Parnell: Lost Thought 00: Uh huh. 30,000 deaths of US citizens, and no response? In this day and age, where we freak out over a single IED? Keep smoking

Often large numbers of troops are sent to their deaths just to bluff the enemy. Military strategy is cold, and every move is calculated with zero emotion. No place for revenge. Keep watching movies.


Did you last study strategy in 1875?
 
2013-03-07 10:17:11 PM

Non-evil Monkey: If it comes to shooting, China will either sit on the sidelines (after making it abundantly clear that American and South Korean troops are not to cross their border under any circumstances) or simply invade North Korea themselves since if it's going to happen anyways. they might as well do it on their own terms.  The mere fact they voted for the sanctions instead of vetoing it tells us that it's pretty much a forgone conclusion that they will not back North Korea should they start another war.


Of course as always with North Korea, this could just be another case of a day ending in "y",  any Farkers know if have they ever explicitly shredded the ceasefire agreement before?


Explicitly? No. Not that I am aware of. Not unless you count the various actions over the years (including the so-called "Second Korean War" between 1966 and 1969) that have been a bit of saber rattling, often from both sides. In 1994, there was some concern that the situation was becoming heated enough under Kim Jong-Il that there might be action, but Kim backed down (as usual). In the mid 90's, again, there was strong rhetoric, but again, Kim backed down.

This is the first time that I am aware of that North Korea has abrogated the truce.

Technically, the two nations have been at war since the 50's, since it is a cease-fire/truce, and not a peace treaty. So it's less a matter of "starting" a war than it is "continuing" one that's been ongoing for about 60 years. This Kim is young--and too stupid to know when to take the cotton out of his ears and stick it in his mouth. His father was a moron, too, but he had the good sense to know when to STFU and go sit in a corner before he pissed anyone off too much. This joker doesn't, and now he's pissed off China--not a good idea. I suspect either the DPRK will soon either be a Chinese territory or the Chinese will quietly agree to stand aside while the US or South Korea does whatever needs done in the event of an attack, then afterwards, China will register a strongly worded but non-binding protest about it as Korea becomes a single country. Alternately, China will tell this kid to STFU and go watch some damn basketball while the grownups talk.
 
2013-03-07 10:17:18 PM
hawcian:
The stone age would be an improvement for some of the country.

QFT.  NK is one of the few places that could be nuked forward into the stone age.
 
2013-03-07 10:17:57 PM
The flaw in this thread and most like it is that the average farker/American thinks Lil Kim cares about the avg Best Korean grunt or their families let alone the average BK citizen LOLOL
I am quite sure he woudn't  even shed half a tear if 10 million Norks die in a fiery death from SK or American bombs.
 
2013-03-07 10:18:05 PM
See, the thing is. They might be hoping the US freaks out over any of their soldiers killed in the DMZ, which is exactly why you don't react to things like that so predictably.
 
2013-03-07 10:19:33 PM
military technology
?
US companies sell them military technology ?  WTF is THAT all about?

BTW do you really think the kid is running the show at this point?

Sanctions (as far as I've read) are what started the Pacific War Theater.  No oil imports with winter coming on and that sort of thing.
 
2013-03-07 10:19:38 PM

ShawnDoc: blipponaut: If we just started a campaign of dropping food, long range communication devices, portable DVD players, S. Korean magazines, movies, etc... it'd probably do a lot more to disrupt the suppressed culture up there. Label everything as being from your S. Korean and American friends and just wait. Information is more powerful, and it's something these people sorely lack. Look at what happened to China when things opened up.

Because N. Korea would just let you do that.


You drop them in areas with minimal military coverage. Fly high and have little to worry about.
 
2013-03-07 10:20:04 PM

Lost Thought 00: Did you last study strategy in 1875?


You probably believe the invasion of Iraq was revenge for 9/11.

/just like you're supposed to
 
2013-03-07 10:20:38 PM

J. Frank Parnell: Non-evil Monkey: If it comes to shooting, China will either sit on the sidelines (after making it abundantly clear that American and South Korean troops are not to cross their border under any circumstances) or simply invade North Korea themselves since if it's going to happen anyways. they might as well do it on their own terms. The mere fact they voted for the sanctions instead of vetoing it tells us that it's pretty much a forgone conclusion that they will not back North Korea should they start another war.

It would be fairly obvious that the sanctions would go through with overwhelming support, so China voting for them or not wouldn't have changed anything, and them voting for it serves to convince people China isn't working with the same script as NK, which would be a good ruse if they in fact are.

I personally think China and NK, along with other countries, are all plotting something against the US. And they won't make it obvious until the very last moment.


guudamn man! not everyone in this world are like that.. stop being such a paranoid Tea Partier who thinks everyone is out to getcha!!
 
2013-03-07 10:23:06 PM
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-07 10:23:13 PM

blipponaut: You drop them in areas with minimal military coverage. Fly high and have little to worry about.


This is how we know you have no idea what you're talking about.
Someone gets caught with anything from outside~ they, and everyone in their family/apartment building goes straight to the camp. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200. They turn in family members and friends over a bowl of soup. Over a rumor. Information is powerful. And it is used for a loaf of bread.
 
2013-03-07 10:23:24 PM

cbathrob: Aigoo: cptjeff: plumbicon: Is it time for some landscaping around the "Dear Comrade's"  palace?

Maybe like a glass parking lot?

Seriously, though, we know where their good stuff is, and a few JDAMs would probably do the trick.
The worst part is that the citizens who worship this ninny are the ones who'll suffer.

The problem is that the Best Koreans can lob a nuke or two at Seoul before our missiles get there.

I wouldn't bet on that.

/dad was missile electronics, I was an oxymoron my last 3 years active

Military Intelligence?


:)
 
2013-03-07 10:23:36 PM

seadoo2006: Ooooh, yay, another full-scale ground war the US is going to be in ... is this a repeat from the 1950s?


Actually it'll be different.  That war lasted 3 years, (if there is one) this one will last 3 minutes.

Also:  If China backed this, even they've had enough of Best Korea's shiat.
 
2013-03-07 10:24:52 PM

SuperNinjaToad: The flaw in this thread and most like it is that the average farker/American thinks Lil Kim cares about the avg Best Korean grunt or their families let alone the average BK citizen LOLOL
I am quite sure he woudn't  even shed half a tear if 10 million Norks die in a fiery death from SK or American bombs.


just out of curiosity, where do you get your NK Information?
 
2013-03-07 10:25:07 PM

SuperNinjaToad: guudamn man! not everyone in this world are like that.. stop being such a paranoid Tea Partier who thinks everyone is out to getcha!!


You should see his flouride conspiracy posts.  Here's a hint; he's either a crazy idiot or a troll.
 
2013-03-07 10:25:50 PM
With the aggression all official again, couldn't we just scoot a sniper team in there and take the guy out?
I know we don't do assasinations, but that restriction gets lifted when we're at war.

NK is one of the few places where the "cutting off the head" garbage would actually work.
 
2013-03-07 10:26:17 PM
Starting to think now meeting Rodman was Kim's Make A Wish before he dies in a blaze of nuclear glory.
 
2013-03-07 10:26:27 PM

SN1987a goes boom: [encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com image 261x193]

If China doesn't support them (and come on, who would they rather lose their biggest trading partner or constant shiat-stirrers?), then the potential war will last all of 5 farking seconds.


I heard it would be an hour and a half from nooooowwww..
 
2013-03-07 10:26:38 PM

leevis: The food shortage must be pretty bad this time.


It is late late winter. This would be the time of year when famine would be most acute. Things are just about to start growing again.
 
2013-03-07 10:28:16 PM
i.imgur.com

Oh for Fark's sake, first Las Pegasus implodes, now the next big con has to be held in the smoldering crater and involves everyone LARPing to Fallout:Equestria. This is the WORST. POSSIBLE. THING. But seriously, folks, what's going to happen is this:

1) Not a shot will be fired.
2) Just because the nonaggression pact's over (at least until Un changes his mind) doesn't require Un to attack.
3) The general rule is that even if you're batshiat crazy enough to start a "preemptive" nuclear war, you just do it, and you certainly don't telegraph your intentions by making your attack contingent on your adversary's cancellation of routine military exercises on March 11th.

i.imgur.com

4) Here's what I was originally going to use before this thread went full pony, except that Rodman was going to be the thin man that would have been a wasteful fizzle, and then an actual thin man showed up in the first GIS result. "Thanks, Rodman."
 
2013-03-07 10:28:30 PM
Well, this is just great! Goddamn gasoline prices will raise again.
 
2013-03-07 10:28:50 PM

desertfool: Un went full retard.

Never go full retard.


From this point forward full retard will be referred to as "full Un"
 
2013-03-07 10:30:59 PM
nubian done went full retard.
 
2013-03-07 10:32:30 PM
I look at it like this:  don't take North Korea's threat to lob a nuke at the USA lightly.  They did get a satellite into orbit.  As I said in the other thread, all they need to do is lob one in a sub-orbital trajectory and all parts of the United States could be farked.  It doesn't even need to have a nuclear warhead or be targeted at a specific target; just a conventional weapon or even a rocket that rains debris down would be enough to harm or kill people and get everybody here scared that death could rain down upon them at any time.

And should they detonate a nuke, hopefully we don't give into the temptation of firing off a few ICBMs or SLBMs.  A few conventional weapons on Pyongyang would do the trick.
 
2013-03-07 10:32:50 PM

seadoo2006: So, answer me this: Has Best Korea significantly improved their rocket technology from what I can buy at the hobby shop, or are they still dropping ICBMs into the ocean 3 miles from launch?


That depends - does your hobby shop sell anything that can put a satellite into a polar orbit higher than that of the ISS?
 
2013-03-07 10:33:12 PM

Marcintosh: military technology
? US companies sell them military technology ? WTF is THAT all about?

BTW do you really think the kid is running the show at this point?

Sanctions (as far as I've read) are what started the Pacific War Theater. No oil imports with winter coming on and that sort of thing.


Sanctions imposed as a direct result of the atrocities commited by the Japanese in the Far East, including the Rape of Nanking. Ignoring the fact that the Imperial Japanese Army had been aquiring Liebensbaum for the better half of the 20th century in Asia up until that point, and raping and murdering their way through China, Korea, and every island they could get their hands on.

Please, don't drink the Historical Revisionist Kool-Aid. The Japanese were not the victims.
 
2013-03-07 10:33:42 PM

davidphogan: Lost Thought 00: Looks like the little tyke thinks he needs a military conflict to cement his power. We do need to wait for them to make the first move, so we have enough authority to completely wipe them out, instead of being stuck with half-measures

I wonder how much of this is a response to outside efforts (real or imagined) to destabilize the government in a transitional period.

That or he's dumber and crazier than his Dad ever was.


Couple of other possibilities:

- Un is just a puppet at this point for other senior military hardliners who are actually making these decisions.

- Un is doing the one making these decisions, but he's doing it to gain the trust and loyalty of those senior military hardliners, who may mistrust the kid with the Swiss education and love for certain aspects of Western culture (like Dennis Rodman and the Chicago Bulls).
 
2013-03-07 10:33:54 PM

Weaver95: devildog123: Weaver95: devildog123:

I'm thinking we're good.

And yet, i'm thinking we're not.

Seriously, if Un had his troops crossed the border tomorrow, or even in the next few months, what part of the sequester would effect our response?  Most of our combat troops at this point are actually combat veterans, and I doubt they're going to forget how to fight in the next few months, even if all they did was lay around at home and drink beer (which, I promise you, they aren't doing).  Do you think they wouldn't bump up military funding if we had to go balls deep in Korea?  Would a war be good?  Of course not.  I'm just saying, we have the resources to handle it.  Only in your little mind are all our troops camped out in Israel, defending those evil zionists you hate so much.

by the time we got our troops in theatre enough to do anything effective, we'd have lost most of south korea, if not all of it.  there's even a chance the Norks could hit Japan.  for extra giggles, NK could rack off some rounds at Taiwan.  meanwhile, we'll spend time bogged down in debate about sequester cuts and who's gonna pay for the logistics requires to recall our reservists, get 'em combat ready and geared, then put them on the ground in theater.  forget about any sort of economic recover - not only did those spending cuts kick us in the nuts, we also just took a lot of reservists out of the economy and put 'em on the front lines.

then when we redeploy, Iran gets to ramp up their efforts to build a nuclear weapon.  Israel gets f*cking paranoid as hell and if we're not around to calm 'em down, they might decide to kick off WWIII in the middle east.

end result?  we get f*cked from both ends, the GOP blames Obama and our country implodes into economic instability and political chaos.


You've gone kind of senile in the past few years havent you?
 
2013-03-07 10:34:12 PM

SurelyShirley: Mitch Taylor's Bro: Dear Afghanistan,

It was fun while it lasted, but we have an appointment on the other side of the worldChina, so we really must be going.

L8rz,
USA

Fixed.
We "just" need flyover rights from China.

/not advocating a war
//war is hell


I suck at teh such as maps :-(
 
2013-03-07 10:34:28 PM
That's highly significant.
 
2013-03-07 10:35:07 PM
My best guess on any worst case scenario is: Seoul gets flattened, North Korea gets defeated by a coalition of nations using conventional weapons (with us leading the way), with China ultimately abandoning crazy-ass North Korea due to global pressure. South Korea is in shambles with hundreds of thousands dead, North Korea is flattened (yet liberated) with hundreds of thousands dead, along with a vacuum in leadership and ensuing famine and misery amidst growing political tensions (with China peeing in our Coke as well as other, largely economic threats and/or retaliations). It would ultimately be death and misery in the region for years to come, and a tense ongoing China-US relationship.

static1.businessinsider.com

obligatory: "I say we nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure"
 
2013-03-07 10:35:17 PM

bluorangefyre: look at it like this: don't take North Korea's threat to lob a nuke at the USA lightly. They did get a satellite into orbit. As I said in the other thread, all they need to do is lob one in a sub-orbital trajectory and all parts of the United States could be farked. It doesn't even need to have a nuclear warhead or be targeted at a specific target; just a conventional weapon or even a rocket that rains debris down would be enough to harm or kill people and get everybody here scared that death could rain down upon them at any time.

And should they detonate a nuke, hopefully we don't give into the temptation of firing off a few ICBMs or SLBMs. A few conventional weapons on Pyongyang would do the trick.


They do not have a functional nuclear weapon or a method to deploy them, and the United States has a global satelite network that has existed for 50 years with the express purpose of detecting nuclear launches.

There's a reason why every country warns the major nuclear players when they're launching a satelite.
 
2013-03-07 10:35:18 PM
The North Korean leader told Rodman he did not want war and he wanted our President to call him. Now they do this.

This escalation of events has reached a point where we should not help them anymore. To do so would to provide aid, assistance and comfort to an enemy. No food or aid of any kind.

This is not going to turn out well!

This is going to be a major war. I think they are going to pull the trigger.

/really not having a good day
 
2013-03-07 10:35:25 PM

Satanic_Hamster: You should see his flouride conspiracy posts.


I don't think i've spoken about that in years. But there's no conspiracy. Sodium fluoride is the primary and active ingredient in rat poison. Tubes of toothpaste have warnings about swallowing even small amounts of it. There's all kinds of evidence in plain view, the average person is just naive and stupid. A cover up isn't even needed. It's Darwinism in action.

/crazy like a fox!
 
2013-03-07 10:36:13 PM

Weaver95: devildog123: Weaver95: devildog123:

I'm thinking we're good.

And yet, i'm thinking we're not.

Seriously, if Un had his troops crossed the border tomorrow, or even in the next few months, what part of the sequester would effect our response?  Most of our combat troops at this point are actually combat veterans, and I doubt they're going to forget how to fight in the next few months, even if all they did was lay around at home and drink beer (which, I promise you, they aren't doing).  Do you think they wouldn't bump up military funding if we had to go balls deep in Korea?  Would a war be good?  Of course not.  I'm just saying, we have the resources to handle it.  Only in your little mind are all our troops camped out in Israel, defending those evil zionists you hate so much.

by the time we got our troops in theatre enough to do anything effective, we'd have lost most of south korea, if not all of it.  there's even a chance the Norks could hit Japan.  for extra giggles, NK could rack off some rounds at Taiwan.  meanwhile, we'll spend time bogged down in debate about sequester cuts and who's gonna pay for the logistics requires to recall our reservists, get 'em combat ready and geared, then put them on the ground in theater.  forget about any sort of economic recover - not only did those spending cuts kick us in the nuts, we also just took a lot of reservists out of the economy and put 'em on the front lines.


In China's mind, Taiwan's one of their provinces.  So if NK decides to fire off a few rounds at Taiwan, China might fire off a few nuclear warheads in response.
 
2013-03-07 10:36:16 PM
Awww. They want to be visible from space at night like all the other countries.
 
2013-03-07 10:37:05 PM
MY TWO CENTS:
hollywood-elsewhere.com
Remember this guy?
Boris Yeltsin, former President of Russia?
He blurted some vodak fueled rant, over an open mike, about "nuking" NATO
Less than two weeks later he "stepped down" unexpectedly and Putin was in.
There are just some things you never-never-never joke about, and a nuclear holocaust is at the top of that list. Lil'Kim is soon to be gone.
 
2013-03-07 10:37:10 PM

Now That's What I Call a Taco!: - Un is just a puppet at this point for other senior military hardliners who are actually making these decisions.


I actually see this as likely versus him running the country at this point. The old guard generals never liked him in the first place, and there was talk of a coup while he was assuming power.

I think he's the same as Ahmadinajad at this point. A figurehead to keep the populace under the Juche ideals that made them the military state they are.
 
2013-03-07 10:38:06 PM

J. Frank Parnell: Satanic_Hamster: You should see his flouride conspiracy posts.

I don't think i've spoken about that in years. But there's no conspiracy. Sodium fluoride is the primary and active ingredient in rat poison. Tubes of toothpaste have warnings about swallowing even small amounts of it. There's all kinds of evidence in plain view, the average person is just naive and stupid. A cover up isn't even needed. It's Darwinism in action.

/crazy like a fox!


Come to think of it, I've never seen a Commie drink a glass of water.
 
2013-03-07 10:38:23 PM

J. Frank Parnell: I don't think i've spoken about that in years. But there's no conspiracy. Sodium fluoride is the primary and active ingredient in rat poison. Tubes of toothpaste have warnings about swallowing even small amounts of it. There's all kinds of evidence in plain view, the average person is just naive and stupid. A cover up isn't even needed. It's Darwinism in action.

/crazy like a fox!


You fail toxicology 1. No refund for your corresponance course.
 
2013-03-07 10:38:53 PM

jnapier: [media1.policymic.com image 537x339]


Rule 18 from the "Action Officers Handbook" 'If you're going to use an image of an aircraft, use one that is relevant.'

The pic you posted is of a NY Air National Guard aircraft, based out of Syracuse. Probably not going to be use by the CIA in North Korea.

Here ya go. No markings:
buquad.com
 
2013-03-07 10:38:58 PM
FAT KID FLIPS TABLE ON INTERNET

NEWS AT 11
 
2013-03-07 10:40:31 PM

tinyarena: Lil'Kim is soon to be gone.


Did Kim Jong Un actually say any of this about nuking the US? I thought I read that it was an "anonymous" figure in the NK administration.
 
2013-03-07 10:40:46 PM
well, crap.

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-03-07 10:41:52 PM
South Korea:
derpicdn.net
 
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