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2013-03-07 09:51:23 PM  

Wanebo: AnythingBacon: The last thing in the world we'll do is drop a nuke, even in retaliation.

After having visited Hiroshima and Nagasaki I'd have to say your statement is one of the most stupid statements I have ever encountered in my life. The possibility of politicians and statesmen doing the impossible is legendary and gruesome.

Are you really that bereft of sense?


That's exactly why we wouldn't. When those were launched we had very little intel in long term effects of that brutal device. Politicians only know one thing anymore, CYA. They face too many ramifications and penalties both here and internationally to risk nukes as anything but a last resort. Regardless, we have better and more efficient devices and tactics now with critical knowledge on how to actually use them.

Nukes aren't a one and done anymore... Mostly kept to ensure mutually assured destruction.

/Slashies
 
2013-03-07 09:51:27 PM  

Non-evil Monkey: If it comes to shooting, China will either sit on the sidelines (after making it abundantly clear that American and South Korean troops are not to cross their border under any circumstances) or simply invade North Korea themselves since if it's going to happen anyways. they might as well do it on their own terms. The mere fact they voted for the sanctions instead of vetoing it tells us that it's pretty much a forgone conclusion that they will not back North Korea should they start another war.


It would be fairly obvious that the sanctions would go through with overwhelming support, so China voting for them or not wouldn't have changed anything, and them voting for it serves to convince people China isn't working with the same script as NK, which would be a good ruse if they in fact are.

I personally think China and NK, along with other countries, are all plotting something against the US. And they won't make it obvious until the very last moment.
 
2013-03-07 09:51:41 PM  

chewd: [img836.imageshack.us image 500x330]

[img199.imageshack.us image 700x467]

Uh oh!


Paper beats rock...

www.esquire.com
 
2013-03-07 09:52:20 PM  

WTF Indeed: Also, DAMMIT Bathia_Mapes!

/thanks


You're welcome. :-)
 
2013-03-07 09:52:26 PM  

Contrabulous Flabtraption: MASH is overrated. I'll laugh tho if dennis rodman ends up the catalyst of ww3


The value of his rookie card will skyrocket!
 
2013-03-07 09:52:37 PM  

Omahawg: make me some tea: seadoo2006: So, answer me this: Has Best Korea significantly improved their rocket technology from what I can buy at the hobby shop, or are they still dropping ICBMs into the ocean 3 miles from launch?

Apparently they did actually launch a multi-staged rocket and achieved orbit just recently. Unless I missed the part about it not being true.

The U.S. also has an anti-ICBM system in place. Hopefully it works well enough. The greater threat is us being pulled into a land war to defend South Korea.

nah, America would never be so dumb to get involved in a land war in asia after vietnam. we learned our lesson! right? RIGHT!?!?!?


The people of Afghanistan would like a word ;)  :P
 
2013-03-07 09:53:44 PM  
Hey, L'il Kim, Obama had Navy SEALs take out Osama after he won a Nobel Peace Prize. That's right, he's having annoying assholes shot when he's in a good mood. Trust us, you don't want to make him angry. You wouldn't like it when he's angry.
 
2013-03-07 09:54:21 PM  
 
2013-03-07 09:54:29 PM  
WTF, they look like they could blow their own heads off if a stray hand or cuff drops down and pulls the trigger

www.abc.net.au

Assuming those are real guns, and not the wooden guns I hear many of them are equipped with

/nice hats tho
 
2013-03-07 09:55:31 PM  

Carth: Thanks! Pictures of ponies and old blog posts! How about we talk about more recent reports like FAS report on North Korean nuclear capabilities, the IISS report on their chemical and biological weapons and the US's own North Korea South Korea war scenario?


/spoiler US wins but tens of millions of people die


The report you linked to basically says North Korea has the technology that the US had Pre-trinity shot in 1945, and no way to deliver it. Fantasies about loading them in container ships on sucide runs are just that. For comparison, Trinity shot was 20kT. All of the missile systems that the NKs use are based on the SCUD-D platform, which the Patriot Theatre ABM System, CURRENTLY deployed in theatre, has a 99.5% kill rate with, as well as the AEGIS C&C system deployed on US ships using the SM-3 missile platform.

Sorry. I fail to be afraid of what is basically the same pitty posturing that dear leader dad did before him.

The Chinese are not going to help Kimmy either. They have far more to lose by a war in NK, than they do to gain.
 
2013-03-07 09:56:05 PM  

Wanebo: AnythingBacon: The last thing in the world we'll do is drop a nuke, even in retaliation.

After having visited Hiroshima and Nagasaki I'd have to say your statement is one of the most stupid statements I have ever encountered in my life. The possibility of politicians and statesmen doing the impossible is legendary and gruesome.

Are you really that bereft of sense?


As a kid I was captivated by a framed picture my dad had of Nagasaki after the bombing. Years down the road my dad had an opportunity to meet a couple of the crew members and they autographed it. To meet the hands that unleashed this power AND get them to sign the photo would be farking awesome.
 
2013-03-07 09:56:15 PM  
"Kim Jong Un slipped while dunking basketball today and broke he neck. Not know how happened. So sorry. Can we have pearl necklace now?"
 
2013-03-07 09:56:23 PM  

lack of warmth: Lenny_da_Hog: On the bright side, M*A*S*H was a great series. It could use a sequel.

I am a big fan of MASH, and I wonder what Alda would say right now.  When he took over, the show got all anti-war feel about it.  Is he ticked that after all this time the war was never really over and it may heat up again?

It does seem weird to take up arms again over the same issues when the men that fought it the first time are passing away of old age.  I had a coworker who was infantry during the last fight with NK, barely got a word from him about it.  His obit. said more about his service.  He passed away getting close to two years ago.


MASH took place in Korea, and was set during the Korean War, but it was really about Vietnam. Vietnam was still too recent and painful to discuss very openly.
 
2013-03-07 09:56:28 PM  

NewportBarGuy: $20 says if they go for a first strike 90% of their fixed artillery explodes trying to send off the first round.


That's kind of what I'm thinking.

We (the US) must know where most of their artillery is and we could probably take 90% of it out in a first strike even if NK's artillery even still works.

Their missiles don't really work very well and even if they could deliver a nuke, are they really that crazy? I guess they might have a chance of hitting Seoul, but setting off a nuke that close to your own border is bound to have negative side effects.

I'd give them a 20% chance of hitting Japan with a nuke, but why should NK hit Japan? Japan is not a threat to them. They know Japan is an ally of the US. That would only be signing their own death warrant. Are they still upset about the whole comfort women thing? Hey, the Japanese did horrible things to US servicemen during WWII but we've kissed and made up and they're not like that anymore.

Someone should really read "The Boy Who Cried Wolf" to Kim Jong Un. I'm really not interested in any
"threats" coming from North Korea. We'eve heard it before. (and besides, I live well outside the range of any NK missiles).
 
2013-03-07 09:57:37 PM  

Bontesla: I'm growing bored of this little crazy baby man. When can we replace him?


I have to wonder if we've ever gently nudged China and said "Hey, uh...if you wanted to oust the Kims and replace them with a new puppet state, that'd be OK with us..."
 
2013-03-07 09:57:48 PM  
All I have to say is this better not interfere with the launch of the Samsung Galaxy S IV.
 
2013-03-07 09:58:00 PM  

Zeno-25: [images3.wikia.nocookie.net image 478x358]

This is just a hissy fit over the latest rounds of sanctions that was unanimously approved by the UN Security Council today.



QFT!
 
2013-03-07 09:58:08 PM  

WeenerGord: WTF, they look like they could blow their own heads off if a stray hand or cuff drops down and pulls the trigger

[www.abc.net.au image 700x467]

Assuming those are real guns, and not the wooden guns I hear many of them are equipped with

/nice hats tho


Those wooden bullets double as their dinner rations for tonight.
 
2013-03-07 09:58:15 PM  

bdub77: "Kim Jong Un slipped while dunking basketball today and broke he neck. Not know how happened. So sorry. Can we have pearl necklace now?"


Get these men some Coke's STAT
 
2013-03-07 09:58:24 PM  

WeenerGord: WTF, they look like they could blow their own heads off if a stray hand or cuff drops down and pulls the trigger

[www.abc.net.au image 700x467]

Assuming those are real guns, and not the wooden guns I hear many of them are equipped with

/nice hats tho


Do you want to be corrected here, or shall we skip it?
 
2013-03-07 09:58:48 PM  
Humm ,makes me think of " the mouse that roared".
And MASH is on TV Land.
 
2013-03-07 09:59:46 PM  

Wanebo: AnythingBacon: The last thing in the world we'll do is drop a nuke, even in retaliation.

After having visited Hiroshima and Nagasaki I'd have to say your statement is one of the most stupid statements I have ever encountered in my life. The possibility of politicians and statesmen doing the impossible is legendary and gruesome.

Are you really that bereft of sense?


Oh goodie. I love World War II historical revisionism/negationism.

Since you want to compare the unthinkable, would  you like to also present the fact that a land invasion would have continued the war for at least a year, cost hundreds of thousands if not million+ Allied soldiers as well as Japanese people, and could have forseeably resulted in the genocide of the Japanese people?

It was two horrible options. Truman had to choose the lesser of two evils.
 
2013-03-07 09:59:50 PM  

hardinparamedic: The Chinese are not going to help Kimmy either. They have far more to lose by a war in NK, than they do to gain.


I was amazed to look at the Chinese casualties during the Korean War (Korean War ITM); they had more casualties than the US had in WWII
 
2013-03-07 09:59:54 PM  
Regarding this video that NK supposedly released, is that some Taepodong missle?

Because it looks like some Taepobuttplug missle.
 
2013-03-07 10:00:37 PM  

Weaver95: by the time we got our troops in theatre enough to do anything effective, we'd have lost most of south korea, if not all of it. there's even a chance the Norks could hit Japan. for extra giggles, NK could rack off some rounds at Taiwan.



Uh, what? South Korea has quite the capable military. Zerg rushes are one thing, the logistics of supply lines are another. To give some idea as to how modern the SK military is, their navy has ships equipped with the Aegis system (along with Japan and South Korea). SK also has mandatory two-year conscription, 640,000 active personnel and  nearly three million reserves.

The South could win a war on their own without international help. It'd be ugly, but the North doesn't have the economy to win a drawn-out major conventional war no matter how much surprise or luck are on their side. Several treaties would preclude this from happening though, for better or worse.
 
2013-03-07 10:01:16 PM  

Wanebo: AnythingBacon: The last thing in the world we'll do is drop a nuke, even in retaliation.

After having visited Hiroshima and Nagasaki I'd have to say your statement is one of the most stupid statements I have ever encountered in my life.


Visiting Hiroshima doesn't give you any more expertise on the issue than anyone else, and it isn't stupid; you're being hyperbolic.

Is it possible?  Yeah, but I don't think it is likely, in part because of Hiroshima.  Everyone knows how horrendous those things are, and we've developed a bunch of alternatives for exactly that reason.  They don't only hurt the people you drop them on.  They're the most ham-fisted military instrument in the arsenal and they come with a huge number of social and diplomatic repercussions.  They exist now almost solely as deterrents via MAD.  If someone is ACTUALLY stupid enough to launch a nuclear attack, nukes have already failed at their primary purpose and unless the country launching them actually has enough nuclear capability to significantly damage our ability to retaliate (and NK certainly doesn't), I really don't think we're going to push the button.  We will retaliate quickly, however, and with overwhelming force.
 
2013-03-07 10:02:09 PM  

uber humper: was amazed to look at the Chinese casualties during the Korean War (Korean War ITM); they had more casualties than the US had in WWII


Yeah. But that was during the time of Pax Communista. Mao isn't in charge any more, and they're more hungry for the US Dollar than the capitalist pigs they despite are.

The simple fact of the matter is that loss of international trade from the Allied nations involved in the Korean armistace would be devistating to the Chinese Economy. In addition, the flood of Northern refugees into China, already dealing with crippling poverty in much of it's rural population, would cause immense damage economically and politically.
 
2013-03-07 10:03:22 PM  

Zeno-25: South Korea has quite the capable military.


Not only that, every neighborhood has a command and control structure in case of invasion. They never forgot what happened to them. They are more prepared than any country in the world.
 
2013-03-07 10:04:10 PM  

Gawdzila: JasonOfOrillia: Until NK attacks then the ceasefire is still tacitly in place.  The rest of the world should shock the hell out of them and pre-emptively attack.  That farce of a nation has existed for too long and the oppression of its people is a blight on the face of humanity.

Yes, we should free them from oppression by blowing them up, right?


Not the people, just the leaders.


Bung_Howdy: FTFA: "A foreign ministry spokesman warned a second Korean war was "unavoidable", because the US and South Korea had refused to cancel their joint military exercise."

FTOFA:"North Korea vows nuclear attack on US, saying Washington will be 'engulfed in a sea of fire'"



Object entering our patrol range.  Approaching the sea of fire.
Bring it through safely.  Land it.
 
2013-03-07 10:04:36 PM  

Gawdzila: Wanebo: AnythingBacon: The last thing in the world we'll do is drop a nuke, even in retaliation.

After having visited Hiroshima and Nagasaki I'd have to say your statement is one of the most stupid statements I have ever encountered in my life.

Visiting Hiroshima doesn't give you any more expertise on the issue than anyone else, and it isn't stupid; you're being hyperbolic.

Is it possible?  Yeah, but I don't think it is likely, in part because of Hiroshima.  Everyone knows how horrendous those things are, and we've developed a bunch of alternatives for exactly that reason.  They don't only hurt the people you drop them on.  They're the most ham-fisted military instrument in the arsenal and they come with a huge number of social and diplomatic repercussions.  They exist now almost solely as deterrents via MAD.  If someone is ACTUALLY stupid enough to launch a nuclear attack, nukes have already failed at their primary purpose and unless the country launching them actually has enough nuclear capability to significantly damage our ability to retaliate (and NK certainly doesn't), I really don't think we're going to push the button.  We will retaliate quickly, however, and with overwhelming force.


This
 
2013-03-07 10:04:38 PM  

BorgiaGinz: Tellurium: Please nuke Washington. A fresh start is about the best thing we can expect from that place anymore.

On behalf of of all us who live with our families in the Metro DC area, go fark yourself.


Thank you.
 
2013-03-07 10:04:40 PM  

Lost Thought 00: Unless NK manages to phase through the DMZ, it's impossible to not involve us


Just because there's some US soldiers there doesn't mean there will be immediate revenge taken upon whoever kills them. They'll be called "heroes who bravely gave their lives defending freedom". Medals and flags will be given to their next of kin. Maybe there will be a TV special. Then it's just a brief note in the history books.
 
2013-03-07 10:04:48 PM  
It is just a matter of time before the norks seal themselves in their underground tunnels.
 
2013-03-07 10:05:19 PM  

doyner: Sure, a bunch of Worst Koreans would die, along with a bunch of Americans, but Best Korea must know that they would be obliterated in no time if they pulled that shiat.  In the process, China would be flooded with refugees it doesn't want.

If they have an ounce of rationality, this is merely bluster.  If not, it will be an ugly war ending with the obliteration of Best Korea in relatively short order.

Make no mistake about the South Koreans.  They can be brutal too.  See: Vietnam.


no shiat! When I was in LA the Korean thugs was quite intimidating and I've been to East St. Louis plenty time. I would rather take on black thugs than korean gangsters.
 
2013-03-07 10:05:26 PM  
Wow, drones just got a little more popular all of a sudden I see.
 
2013-03-07 10:05:45 PM  
I wonder how much money Apple is dumping into North Korea to prompt this
 
2013-03-07 10:05:47 PM  
trageser.com

I always thought this would make a good movie.
 
2013-03-07 10:06:51 PM  

hardinparamedic: uber humper: was amazed to look at the Chinese casualties during the Korean War (Korean War ITM); they had more casualties than the US had in WWII

Yeah. But that was during the time of Pax Communista. Mao isn't in charge any more, and they're more hungry for the US Dollar than the capitalist pigs they despite are.

The simple fact of the matter is that loss of international trade from the Allied nations involved in the Korean armistace would be devistating to the Chinese Economy. In addition, the flood of Northern refugees into China, already dealing with crippling poverty in much of it's rural population, would cause immense damage economically and politically.


I totally agree. Even if, they would actually use strategy and tactics this time around, other than throwing  walls of meat.

China probably wants nothing to change, keeping the status quo so that they don't end up with a pro US government on their border.
 
2013-03-07 10:07:15 PM  
i2.cdn.turner.com
Here's a bunch of people who have no idea what they're in for.
 
2013-03-07 10:07:21 PM  
North Korea has announced it is voiding non-aggression pacts with South Korea and severing its hotline with Seoul, hours after threatening the US with a pre-emptive nuclear strike.

/Hahahahahhahahha....saber rattling at its best. They KNOW if they did that, their country would be turned into a slag heap. Whatever, keep stroking your sub standard pecker.
 
2013-03-07 10:08:00 PM  

Zeno-25: Weaver95: by the time we got our troops in theatre enough to do anything effective, we'd have lost most of south korea, if not all of it. there's even a chance the Norks could hit Japan. for extra giggles, NK could rack off some rounds at Taiwan.


Uh, what? South Korea has quite the capable military. Zerg rushes are one thing, the logistics of supply lines are another. To give some idea as to how modern the SK military is, their navy has ships equipped with the Aegis system (along with Japan and South Korea). SK also has mandatory two-year conscription, 640,000 active personnel and  nearly three million reserves.

The South could win a war on their own without international help. It'd be ugly, but the North doesn't have the economy to win a drawn-out major conventional war no matter how much surprise or luck are on their side. Several treaties would preclude this from happening though, for better or worse.


A lot of this. SK isn't stupid, and they aren't some little US protectorate with no military of their own. That are a born-in-the-cold war era western style nation that's lived in the shadow of NK, China, and Russia. They have a BIG, capable, modern military filled with people who know an all out war to the death could appear at any moment, right in the heart of their homeland.

Love you SK, love your BBQ, love your gadgets and I even like your cars, but fark fermented cabbage, wtf.
 
2013-03-07 10:08:45 PM  

JPINFV: [trageser.com image 160x258]

I always thought this would make a good movie.


Dragon Strike, too. http://www.amazon.com/Dragon-Strike-Coming-History-ebook/dp/B003YXXL8 S
 
2013-03-07 10:09:54 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: Lost Thought 00: Unless NK manages to phase through the DMZ, it's impossible to not involve us

Just because there's some US soldiers there doesn't mean there will be immediate revenge taken upon whoever kills them. They'll be called "heroes who bravely gave their lives defending freedom". Medals and flags will be given to their next of kin. Maybe there will be a TV special. Then it's just a brief note in the history books.


Uh huh. 30,000 deaths of US citizens, and no response? In this day and age, where we freak out over a single IED? Keep smoking
 
2013-03-07 10:10:21 PM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: Dear Afghanistan,

It was fun while it lasted, but we have an appointment on the other side of the world

China, so we really must be going.

L8rz,
USA


Fixed.
We "just" need flyover rights from China.

/not advocating a war
//war is hell
 
2013-03-07 10:11:19 PM  
Lil Kim just got dealt these and wants to step up the game:

farm4.staticflickr.com farm4.staticflickr.com
 
2013-03-07 10:11:37 PM  

WeenerGord: WTF, they look like they could blow their own heads off if a stray hand or cuff drops down and pulls the trigger

[www.abc.net.au image 700x467]

Assuming those are real guns, and not the wooden guns I hear many of them are equipped with

/nice hats tho


Hard to shoot your own head off without the magazine, that you're currently loading, actually attached.
 
2013-03-07 10:12:39 PM  

tinyarena: [i2.cdn.turner.com image 250x250]
Here's a bunch of people who have no idea what they're in for.


Look at that pudgy little fark next to those poor almost skeletal guys. I think that's what stuck in my craw most about that idiot f*ck Rodman. You're enjoying a feast with that fat f*ck despot while his starving people eat their own dead children. And you talk about what a swell guy he is.
 
2013-03-07 10:12:57 PM  

WTF Indeed: To be fair, this does mean the South can kill North Korean leadership whenever they want since they are legally back to open war.


The problem with this is that North Korea has a shiat ton of artillery they can bomb the South with, and it appears they would have no problem responding to any act of aggression.  They would be holy-shiat-bombed-into-oblivion soon after, but they would still make a mess of the South.
 
2013-03-07 10:12:59 PM  

pxlboy: Old_Chief_Scott: cc_rider: Oh yeah, that'll show 'em.

I feel bad for the starving North Koreans who don't give a shiat about any of this. May this horrible regime collapse peacefully and soon-ish

I recently came across a video of a train in North Korea ( I am something of a train enthusiast and you know how that youtube shiat goes, one thing lead to another etc).  It is a steam locomotive. An old steam locomotive. And for fuel it is burning old rubber tires as it trundles through an absolutely barren landscape.

Sad.

North Best Korea is incapable of sustained conflict.

The country has resources, but they're not available to the populace at large. The obscene luxury in which the party and its cronies live will eventually end -- and badly.

Until then, it is as many have observed: more attention whoring and saber rattling.


Yep. It's not really a matter of "if", but "when".  I can only hope it ends with little or no bloodshed.
 
2013-03-07 10:14:00 PM  
Oh.  Great.  Looks like we'll be able to put that fancy new Distinguished Warfare Medal to good use.

(500 Gamerscore to whoever nails Un!)
 
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