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2013-03-07 09:41:24 PM  

AnythingBacon: The last thing in the world we'll do is drop a nuke, even in retaliation.


After having visited Hiroshima and Nagasaki I'd have to say your statement is one of the most stupid statements I have ever encountered in my life. The possibility of politicians and statesmen doing the impossible is legendary and gruesome.

Are you really that bereft of sense?
 
2013-03-07 09:41:25 PM  

TV's Vinnie: greentea1985: Now the question will be how China reacts. We already know China is pissed at North Korea, after all China helped write and voted for the recent set of sanctions. The smart move will be to wait until Kim Jong Un starts an attack. Although he is being aggressive, neither the US nor South Korea should fire the first shot.

China was once Vietnam's Bestest Bro, but that didn't stop them from slapping 'Nam's sh*t around in the 70's after the US was long gone from there.


Part of the problem is that China considers most of East Asia to be wayward children that will one day be reannexed to the motherland. The Vietnamese fought a pretty good guerrilla war led by the Nguyen sisters about 1500 years ago or so to toss their asses out.
 
2013-03-07 09:41:26 PM  
I can just see this happening right now at FattyDingDong's palace in Pyongyang:

i49.tinypic.com

"No good little American punks! They think they're so cool and smart. I'LL SHOW THEM! I'm gonna call them up and tell them that they suck and I'm so hot that I get all the girls and that they'd better treat me with some RES-PECT and give me whatever I want or I'm gonna use these things that Daddy left for me. Yeah! They won't be laughing at me anymore if I do that!"

"GUARDS! FIRE UP THE GENERATOR! I wish to make a phone call!"
 
2013-03-07 09:41:40 PM  
Also, DAMMIT Bathia_Mapes!

/thanks
 
2013-03-07 09:41:53 PM  
Lets not forget to use a lot of nukes close to the Chinese border.The more fallout the better.
 
2013-03-07 09:41:55 PM  

Weaver95: devildog123: Weaver95: devildog123:

I'm thinking we're good.

And yet, i'm thinking we're not.

Seriously, if Un had his troops crossed the border tomorrow, or even in the next few months, what part of the sequester would effect our response?  Most of our combat troops at this point are actually combat veterans, and I doubt they're going to forget how to fight in the next few months, even if all they did was lay around at home and drink beer (which, I promise you, they aren't doing).  Do you think they wouldn't bump up military funding if we had to go balls deep in Korea?  Would a war be good?  Of course not.  I'm just saying, we have the resources to handle it.  Only in your little mind are all our troops camped out in Israel, defending those evil zionists you hate so much.

by the time we got our troops in theatre enough to do anything effective, we'd have lost most of south korea, if not all of it.  there's even a chance the Norks could hit Japan.  for extra giggles, NK could rack off some rounds at Taiwan.  meanwhile, we'll spend time bogged down in debate about sequester cuts and who's gonna pay for the logistics requires to recall our reservists, get 'em combat ready and geared, then put them on the ground in theater.  forget about any sort of economic recover - not only did those spending cuts kick us in the nuts, we also just took a lot of reservists out of the economy and put 'em on the front lines.

then when we redeploy, Iran gets to ramp up their efforts to build a nuclear weapon.  Israel gets f*cking paranoid as hell and if we're not around to calm 'em down, they might decide to kick off WWIII in the middle east.

end result?  we get f*cked from both ends, the GOP blames Obama and our country implodes into economic instability and political chaos.


Uh, I like you and stuff. But we are still technically at war with Best Korea. There will be no congressional hand wringing about what to do about Korea.
 
2013-03-07 09:42:03 PM  
Ah.  Sigh.  Another impotent, testosterone filled violence fantasy love-fest Fark thread about police hating tipping circumcision rape abortion gay marriage North Korea.
 
2013-03-07 09:42:05 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Let them starve.


Hasn't stopped them yet.
 
2013-03-07 09:42:05 PM  

Counter_Intelligent: Is that really Dennis Rodman in drag?


He does that all the time. He and Un probably talked a lot about how hard it is to find a dress that fits.
 
2013-03-07 09:42:54 PM  

cc_rider: Oh yeah, that'll show 'em.

I feel bad for the starving North Koreans who don't give a shiat about any of this. May this horrible regime collapse peacefully and soon-ish


I recently came across a video of a train in North Korea ( I am something of a train enthusiast and you know how that youtube shiat goes, one thing lead to another etc).  It is a steam locomotive. An old steam locomotive. And for fuel it is burning old rubber tires as it trundles through an absolutely barren landscape.

Sad.

North Best Korea is incapable of sustained conflict.
 
2013-03-07 09:43:03 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Let them starve.

Hasn't stopped them yet.


You can thank the UN for that.
 
2013-03-07 09:43:12 PM  

Wanebo: AnythingBacon: The last thing in the world we'll do is drop a nuke, even in retaliation. Honestly It's one of the few rational fears I have that the first to drop a nuke will be retaliated against by all other capable nations regardless of loyalties and treaties. One detonation by any of the power player nations will also give excuse for other conflicts to start chain reaction style... India and Pakistan, Israel and everybody else in the mid east ect... too much too far apart to clean the mess and play world police like we like to do.

If we get involved in NK whether they try to nuke or not, we will likely use drones to hammer key installations and limit armored barricade as SK and us forces cross the DMZ. A land war is the most PC way to invade, and if done at night will be safer for the soldiers involved... Doubt NK has night vision, but if they do it would be old tech and not as efficient.

Regardless, If anything happens, It's likely to be fairly quick in my mind. I could be overconfident, but I also believe that quality always beats quantity. As long as the war commander in charge isn't stupid or arrogant about any of this we're fine. China will probably stay out and focus on refugee control unless directly provoked... Probably by Japan, but I doubt any of them are that stupid... I hope

/I've played Risk so I know what I'm talking about
//Got killed at Strategos

And land war in southeast Asia?


Yeah, but this is North East Asia, Way different. They're like 100 miles away or something :P

Besides, ground troops are and will always be involved, just seems to be the way things are still more controllably handled.

/I read Starship Troopers. We use ground troops to kill bugs... And skinnies
 
2013-03-07 09:43:22 PM  
Weaver95:
by the time we got our troops in theatre enough to do anything effective, we'd have lost most of south korea, if not all of it.  there's even a chance the Norks could hit Japan.  for extra giggles, NK could rack off some rounds at Taiwan.  meanwhile, we'll spend time bogged down in debate about sequester cuts and who's gonna pay for the logistics requires to recall our reservists, get 'em combat ready and geared, then put them on the ground in theater.  forget about any sort of economic recover - not only did those spending cuts kick us in the nuts, we also just took a lot of reservists out of the economy and put 'em on the front lines.

Why does everyone assume that the South Koreans are total pansies, and would get rolled?  They've spent the past 60 years building up their military as well.  They might not have the sheer mass of men under arms that the North has, but THEIR troops are actually fed, and they most certainly have better force multipliers.
 
2013-03-07 09:43:22 PM  

Great Janitor: hardinparamedic: Great Janitor: Okay, instead of drones, bombers under fighter jet escort, to the largest North Korean city, bomb it until it is a memory. Repeat until they surrender or until there is no such thing as a North Korean. Better that then sending our troops into yet another ground war.

So, a war crime, then?

Because it's pretty commonly accepted that carpet-bombing civilian areas went out of vogue at the end of World War II, and was a pretty ineffective and dick move in Vietnam.

Yeah, I thought of that, but if North Korea started a war, how soon would the North Korean government start conscripting all males in the country 17 years and older?  The North Korean government does have a policy of requiring all males to serve in the military for a couple of years.  So it isn't so much killing civilians as taking out reserved forces.


One of the great evils and hypocrisies of our current era is how we can let the unjust rule the just in cruel and inhumane manners. The world has stood by and let North Korea torture and kill its own civilians for years and done nothing. Speak with more respect for people who had no choice in the country they were born into, and deserve none of the ill will your comment or the world intends to shower upon them.
 
2013-03-07 09:43:23 PM  

Snarfangel: So... will Obama use the earthquake machine, the typhoon device, the tsunami impeller, or the meteorite mass-driver this time?


Well... the brain cancer inducer is out...
 
2013-03-07 09:43:32 PM  
You got to hand it to the guy.... pretty big balls.
Or maybe he's just batshiat insane.  Didn't this dude study in the west for awhile?  What gives?

My grandfather (Major - ARMY, Korea '50-'53 ) is currently looking down from above with a big, fat cigar and a bag of fresh popcorn in the celestial microwave.
 
2013-03-07 09:43:35 PM  

Great Janitor: hardinparamedic: Great Janitor: Okay, instead of drones, bombers under fighter jet escort, to the largest North Korean city, bomb it until it is a memory. Repeat until they surrender or until there is no such thing as a North Korean. Better that then sending our troops into yet another ground war.

So, a war crime, then?

Because it's pretty commonly accepted that carpet-bombing civilian areas went out of vogue at the end of World War II, and was a pretty ineffective and dick move in Vietnam.

Yeah, I thought of that, but if North Korea started a war, how soon would the North Korean government start conscripting all males in the country 17 years and older?  The North Korean government does have a policy of requiring all males to serve in the military for a couple of years.  So it isn't so much killing civilians as taking out reserved forces.


All males enter military service at age 17 for a period of 5 or more years. Many women too (though most get pulled into the "pleasure corps" which is pretty farked up). From that point on you're considered an active reservist until age 49. Which would give them a total army of well over 6 million people, 1.1 million of which are currently active duty. It's not a small army by any stretch of the imagination... not sure if they'd have near the munitions to actually supply that many people without doing the whole taking-back-Stalingrad thing.
 
2013-03-07 09:43:39 PM  

DamnYankees: Well, there's a DMZ for a reason.


librako.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-03-07 09:43:40 PM  
Welcome back to P.S. 4077. I'm happy to report that things are both hunky and dory.
 
2013-03-07 09:43:57 PM  
neongoats:
Uh, I like you and stuff. But we are still technically at war with Best Korea. There will be no congressional hand wringing about what to do about Korea.

are you at ALL familiar with the Republican party...?
 
2013-03-07 09:43:57 PM  

neongoats: Weaver95: devildog123: Weaver95: devildog123:

I'm thinking we're good.

And yet, i'm thinking we're not.

Seriously, if Un had his troops crossed the border tomorrow, or even in the next few months, what part of the sequester would effect our response?  Most of our combat troops at this point are actually combat veterans, and I doubt they're going to forget how to fight in the next few months, even if all they did was lay around at home and drink beer (which, I promise you, they aren't doing).  Do you think they wouldn't bump up military funding if we had to go balls deep in Korea?  Would a war be good?  Of course not.  I'm just saying, we have the resources to handle it.  Only in your little mind are all our troops camped out in Israel, defending those evil zionists you hate so much.

by the time we got our troops in theatre enough to do anything effective, we'd have lost most of south korea, if not all of it.  there's even a chance the Norks could hit Japan.  for extra giggles, NK could rack off some rounds at Taiwan.  meanwhile, we'll spend time bogged down in debate about sequester cuts and who's gonna pay for the logistics requires to recall our reservists, get 'em combat ready and geared, then put them on the ground in theater.  forget about any sort of economic recover - not only did those spending cuts kick us in the nuts, we also just took a lot of reservists out of the economy and put 'em on the front lines.

then when we redeploy, Iran gets to ramp up their efforts to build a nuclear weapon.  Israel gets f*cking paranoid as hell and if we're not around to calm 'em down, they might decide to kick off WWIII in the middle east.

end result?  we get f*cked from both ends, the GOP blames Obama and our country implodes into economic instability and political chaos.

Uh, I like you and stuff. But we are still technically at war with Best Korea. There will be no congressional hand wringing about what to do about Korea.


I don't think it was ever "officially" declared as anything but a police action

i'd have to ask harry truman but the misery mofo never answers his phone anymore :(
 
2013-03-07 09:44:00 PM  
Is it finally time for the Un to UnNazi the world?
 
2013-03-07 09:44:09 PM  
www.filmscorefocus.org
 
2013-03-07 09:44:15 PM  

Hey, Kim Jong-un...

i1156.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-07 09:44:27 PM  

TV's Vinnie: DamnYankees: Well, there's a DMZ for a reason.


You forgot the R.I.P.
 
2013-03-07 09:44:37 PM  

Pointy Tail of Satan: Lets not forget to use a lot of nukes close to the Chinese border.The more fallout the better.


pnmedia.gamespy.com

China is generous... very generous
 
2013-03-07 09:44:43 PM  

fusillade762: Counter_Intelligent: Is that really Dennis Rodman in drag?

He does that all the time. He and Un probably talked a lot about how hard it is to find a dress that fits.


Has he tried a muumuu?
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-03-07 09:45:10 PM  

NEDM: Weaver95:
by the time we got our troops in theatre enough to do anything effective, we'd have lost most of south korea, if not all of it.  there's even a chance the Norks could hit Japan.  for extra giggles, NK could rack off some rounds at Taiwan.  meanwhile, we'll spend time bogged down in debate about sequester cuts and who's gonna pay for the logistics requires to recall our reservists, get 'em combat ready and geared, then put them on the ground in theater.  forget about any sort of economic recover - not only did those spending cuts kick us in the nuts, we also just took a lot of reservists out of the economy and put 'em on the front lines.

Why does everyone assume that the South Koreans are total pansies, and would get rolled?  They've spent the past 60 years building up their military as well.  They might not have the sheer mass of men under arms that the North has, but THEIR troops are actually fed, and they most certainly have better force multipliers.


because the South koreans are sane.  the North Koreans are the f*cking zerg.
 
2013-03-07 09:45:16 PM  
MASH is overrated. I'll laugh tho if dennis rodman ends up the catalyst of ww3
 
2013-03-07 09:45:20 PM  
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Uh oh!
 
2013-03-07 09:45:21 PM  

namegoeshere: So MASH is back on, then?


That would be the best thing that happened to TV in the last 30 years
 
2013-03-07 09:45:40 PM  
 
2013-03-07 09:45:42 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: On the bright side, M*A*S*H was a great series. It could use a sequel.


I am a big fan of MASH, and I wonder what Alda would say right now.  When he took over, the show got all anti-war feel about it.  Is he ticked that after all this time the war was never really over and it may heat up again?

It does seem weird to take up arms again over the same issues when the men that fought it the first time are passing away of old age.  I had a coworker who was infantry during the last fight with NK, barely got a word from him about it.  His obit. said more about his service.  He passed away getting close to two years ago.
 
2013-03-07 09:45:59 PM  

Old_Chief_Scott: cc_rider: Oh yeah, that'll show 'em.

I feel bad for the starving North Koreans who don't give a shiat about any of this. May this horrible regime collapse peacefully and soon-ish

I recently came across a video of a train in North Korea ( I am something of a train enthusiast and you know how that youtube shiat goes, one thing lead to another etc).  It is a steam locomotive. An old steam locomotive. And for fuel it is burning old rubber tires as it trundles through an absolutely barren landscape.

Sad.

North Best Korea is incapable of sustained conflict.


The country has resources, but they're not available to the populace at large. The obscene luxury in which the party and its cronies live will eventually end -- and badly.

Until then, it is as many have observed: more attention whoring and saber rattling.
 
2013-03-07 09:47:11 PM  

neofonz: Why it wasn't resolved 60 years ago


i7.photobucket.com
'Say IT!!  SAY IT!!!'
 
2013-03-07 09:47:27 PM  

hardinparamedic: Carth: NK would overrun the south in 48-72 hours after destroying Seoul. We'd be forced to retake the damn peninsula.

[arch.413chan.net image 587x335]

No. No they wouldn't. Not without the support of the Chinese PLA. The fact you buy the propaganda they put out about "leveling Seoul" is hillarious.


What about their biological and chemical weapons, and ability to

hardinparamedic: Carth: NK would overrun the south in 48-72 hours after destroying Seoul. We'd be forced to retake the damn peninsula.

[arch.413chan.net image 587x335]

No. No they wouldn't. Not without the support of the Chinese PLA. The fact you buy the propaganda they put out about "leveling Seoul" is hillarious.


Thanks! Pictures of ponies and old blog posts! How about we talk about more recent reports like  FAS report on North Korean nuclear capabilities, the IISS report on their chemical  and biological weapons and the US's own North  Korea South Korea war scenario?


/spoiler US wins but tens of millions of people die
 
2013-03-07 09:47:50 PM  

Happy Hours: namegoeshere: So MASH is back on, then?

That would be the best thing that happened to TV in the last 30 years


The best thing to happen to TV would be if the Korean nukes landed on Madison Avenue.
 
2013-03-07 09:47:55 PM  
home.earthlink.net

/Those who do not remember the past...
//Of course NK probably doesn't have as many vehicles
 
2013-03-07 09:48:06 PM  

Lost Thought 00: The Haberdasher: North Korea won't be taken seriously until they have to be taken seriously. Then everyone will wonder why they weren't taken seriously earlier.

If they are so harmless why the sanctions?

There's a big gap between "not taking them seriously" and "nuking a major population center over saber rattling"


I know we can't nuke them. I don't know what should be done. But I feel at some point, one of these guys are going to make a threat and then go through with it. And it's going to be bad.
 
2013-03-07 09:48:07 PM  

ExpressPork: Send back our ambassador [freddyo.com image 500x629]


That guy got eveb crazier than I remember wtf.
 
2013-03-07 09:48:26 PM  
Maybe they did it as a goof.
 
2013-03-07 09:49:10 PM  
HEY KIM:
oi50.tinypic.com
 
2013-03-07 09:49:11 PM  

cc_rider: "The sanctions include wider bans on the sale of military technology and luxury goods, including gems, pearl jewellery, yachts and luxury cars."

Oh yeah, that'll show 'em.

I feel bad for the starving North Koreans who don't give a shiat about any of this. May this horrible regime collapse peacefully and soon-ish.


Honestly, yeah... it will show them.  The people (or person, rather) making all the decisions in NK gobble all that luxury shiat up.  They decry us to the population and then pull out the duPont Registry and go shopping.  This move is like taking a baby's toys away when it is being bad and hitting people with them.

And I agree, I hope by some miracle an actual functional country can peacefully pop up in NK.  That place is like an Orwellian nightmare, and the population is going to need a lot of psychotherapy if/when they come into contact with the outside.  A lot of them probably have no real clue what the world outside NK is like.
Maybe we'll finally have a job for all the psychology majors we graduate?
 
2013-03-07 09:49:35 PM  

Xyphoid: Yeah, a lot of people buying into US propaganda about how great we are and how terrible they are.

Let's cover this:
Military - No easy feat - the terrain is mountainous and the positions entrenched.  Air and sea support is rendered useless by terrain, and we can't do the kind of civilian casualties in non-mountainous terrain like the first war.  This wouldn't be fun, and we still have Afghanistan to fight.

Economy - South Korea is the 15th biggest economy in the world, a lot of that tied up in Seoul.  North Korea has been rather obvious in making it known that their first strike would obliterate Seoul.  Even if, as claimed earlier (which I disagree with), 90% of the artillery pieces failed, that 10% would wreck Seoul.  The humanitarian crisis because of so many displaced people would ruin the economy there.  Let's not even begin to cover cost.

Goal:  We can either nation-build (bad at it) a country with almost zero infrastructure, agriculture and technology, abandon it to a new crisis between South Korea and China over land/border disputes, or give it back "Iraq Style" and watch as the military and aristocracy there fight it out and leave it relatively as bad as before.

All that said, keep on waving those flags and acting like it won't be a big deal, or that they are just super inept.  Someone would have to be out there in the shiat, though, and I don't think many people, if any, are willing to volunteer.


Uh, the North only has about 20 gun positions that have the range to even reach the outskirts of Seoul. Those encampments would be destroyed in minutes if they fired thanks to the advanced counter-battery system the South and the US have in place in the DMZ.

Most of those guns are either short ranged, <25km artillery cannon, or fakes.

While I understand your point, you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the geopolitical state between the North and China, as well as the North and South.
 
2013-03-07 09:49:48 PM  
Havent read the whole thread, has this been postet yet?

media.animevice.com
 
2013-03-07 09:50:05 PM  
Weaver95:

because the South koreans are sane.  the North Koreans are the f*cking zerg.

More like the Human Hive, but that's beside the point.  The South Koreans have been spending just as much money on getting ready for war as the Norks, with the benefit of their major patron not going belly-up in 1991.  Expect something akin to the first year of Operation Barbarossa if the two ever go to war.  The North may have millions of men, but the South has millions of bullets.
 
2013-03-07 09:50:06 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: neofonz: Why it wasn't resolved 60 years ago

[i7.photobucket.com image 480x360]
'Say IT!!  SAY IT!!!'


All right, I'll say it!!

Because Truman was too much of a pussy-wimp to let MacArthur go in there and blow out those commie bastards!!!
 
2013-03-07 09:50:17 PM  

cptjeff: plumbicon: Is it time for some landscaping around the "Dear Comrade's"  palace?

Maybe like a glass parking lot?

Seriously, though, we know where their good stuff is, and a few JDAMs would probably do the trick.
The worst part is that the citizens who worship this ninny are the ones who'll suffer.

The problem is that the Best Koreans can lob a nuke or two at Seoul before our missiles get there.


I wouldn't bet on that.

/dad was missile electronics, I was an oxymoron my last 3 years active
 
2013-03-07 09:50:33 PM  
Could be pretty awesome: already one autocratic thug down this week, Kim Jong Un could be next.
 
2013-03-07 09:51:00 PM  

Weaver95: neongoats:
Uh, I like you and stuff. But we are still technically at war with Best Korea. There will be no congressional hand wringing about what to do about Korea.

are you at ALL familiar with the Republican party...?


Yes, of course, they are full on, hurp to the head derpmongers. But this is a situation where the constitutional powers are explicitly very clear and unambiguous. I know, they only get Jesus points for killing Muslims, but it's still a war, and unlike the Middle East, even Russia and China are facepalming over the Nork behaviour.
 
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