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2013-03-07 08:06:10 PM
So they can waste another billion in 20 years. SHIAT LOADS of money to "improve" the same area "improved" when the Dome was built.
The damn thing is being built 200 yards away from the current stadium.
 
2013-03-07 08:23:42 PM
suckers...
 
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2013-03-07 08:25:22 PM
*rolls eye*

Charlotte did the same thing with the Bobcats.  Had a perfectly good stadium that the Hornets left.
 
2013-03-07 08:26:06 PM
Was the Georgia Dome such a piece of shiat that they needed to replace it already? I can see replacing a relic like Candlestick Park, but the Georgia Dome doesn't seem like it needs to be blown up.
 
2013-03-07 08:28:04 PM
The Falcons will pay about $800 million for the stadium, which would be located near the present Georgia Dome. The remaining $200 million will come from the city's hotel-motel tax.

As stadium deals go, that's not terrible
 
2013-03-07 08:28:25 PM
At least the Falcons themselves are ponying up 80% of the cost of the stadium, and the other 20% is coming out of an already-existing tax, as opposed to the Marlins method of sheep-shearing suckers financing to get a new stadium.
 
2013-03-07 08:28:58 PM

jehovahs witness protection: So they can waste another billion in 20 years. SHIAT LOADS of money to "improve" the same area "improved" when the Dome was built.
The damn thing is being built 200 yards away from the current stadium.


and according to the article, there is still existing debt from the Georgia Dome, which has to be paid off by this deal.  I wonder how much truth there is to the Falcons paying for 800 million of the deal.  I haven't been to the Georgia Dome since an SEC Championship years ago.  Does it suck that bad?
 
2013-03-07 08:29:57 PM
After RTFA and reading that the Falcons are paying for 80%, it's not as bad of a deal as I had thought.
 
2013-03-07 08:32:13 PM

ClavellBCMI: At least the Falcons themselves are ponying up 80% of the cost of the stadium, and the other 20% is coming out of an already-existing tax, as opposed to the Marlins method of sheep-shearing suckers financing to get a new stadium.


I hold the Miami City Council more responsible for that than Loria.  He knew exactly what he was doing and they agreed to it anyway in what was basically a handshake agreement.
 
2013-03-07 08:33:03 PM

Lost Thought 00: The Falcons will pay about $800 million for the stadium, which would be located near the present Georgia Dome. The remaining $200 million will come from the city's hotel-motel tax.

As stadium deals go, that's not terrible


Yeah, compared to what most stadium deals end up being (meaning paid by majority taxpayer dollars); it's a pretty good deal. Sure, tax money will probably go into related improvements to surrounding streets; but that's a drop in the bucket compared to the stadium itself.
 
2013-03-07 08:34:04 PM

Igor Jakovsky: ClavellBCMI: At least the Falcons themselves are ponying up 80% of the cost of the stadium, and the other 20% is coming out of an already-existing tax, as opposed to the Marlins method of sheep-shearing suckers financing to get a new stadium.

I hold the Miami City Council more responsible for that than Loria.  He knew exactly what he was doing and they agreed to it anyway in what was basically a handshake agreement.


As I said: sheep-shearing suckers, he did, and quite well.
 
2013-03-07 08:38:51 PM
Shouldn't that read Falcons fan?

/or is that the joke?
 
2013-03-07 08:45:17 PM
Now their fans can sit in state of the art comfort while the Falcons choke themselves out of the playoffs.

/Who Dat
 
2013-03-07 08:46:56 PM
Right in the same area that everyone complains about?
 
2013-03-07 08:47:54 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Now their fan can sit in state of the art comfort while the Falcons choke themselves out of the playoffs.

/Who Dat


FTFY
 
2013-03-07 08:57:40 PM

jehovahs witness protection: So they can waste another billion in 20 years. SHIAT LOADS of money to "improve" the same area "improved" when the Dome was built.
The damn thing is being built 200 yards away from the current stadium.


Castleberry Hill is set and doesn't need any improvement.  I don't see why it needs help.  It's been out-of-reach in price for people like you since the gays and artists moved in 15 years ago.

English Ave and Vine City are doomed as long as they remain the metropolitan area's open-air heroin market - specifically centered in an area known as The Bluffs.

You learned something today.
 
2013-03-07 09:07:36 PM
It's about time Atlanta took a bath.
 
2013-03-07 09:26:51 PM
Blank wants a new stadium because he wants to be able to negotiate concession, seat license, naming rights, among other things. He gets damn near none of that money currently. The money needed to pay off the debt (and the $800m Falcons cost) will be dwarfed by what he makes over the next 20-30 years on all the other things he will get access to in the future.

Unfortunately, it will still be a crappy area with a long walk to the CNN center and Marta along with horrible parking and the worst traffic known to man.

The super bowl and NCAA football championship will be cool in 5-7 years.

I still wish they had put it in Doraville where the car plant is
 
2013-03-07 09:33:33 PM
Seattle laughs at your foolishness
 
2013-03-07 09:35:28 PM

Igor Jakovsky: jehovahs witness protection: So they can waste another billion in 20 years. SHIAT LOADS of money to "improve" the same area "improved" when the Dome was built.
The damn thing is being built 200 yards away from the current stadium.

and according to the article, there is still existing debt from the Georgia Dome, which has to be paid off by this deal.  I wonder how much truth there is to the Falcons paying for 800 million of the deal.  I haven't been to the Georgia Dome since an SEC Championship years ago.  Does it suck that bad?


Yes, it will need a complete renovation and a new roof in the next 10 years the projected cost of those renovations is over $800 million and the city will have to pick up some of those costs.  Add to that the access and parking issues created when they tore down the Omni and built Philips Arena, and a new stadium might actually be cheaper for the city.
 
2013-03-07 09:35:42 PM

bulldg4life: Blank wants a new stadium because he wants to be able to negotiate concession, seat license, naming rights, among other things. He gets damn near none of that money currently. The money needed to pay off the debt (and the $800m Falcons cost) will be dwarfed by what he makes over the next 20-30 years on all the other things he will get access to in the future.

Unfortunately, it will still be a crappy area with a long walk to the CNN center and Marta along with horrible parking and the worst traffic known to man.

The super bowl and NCAA football championship will be cool in 5-7 years.

I still wish they had put it in Doraville where the car plant is


Who doesn't?  That's about five miles northeast of my house.  However:  The remaining $200 million will come from the city's hotel-motel tax.

Doraville doesn't have $1 million.  Doraville has literally three hotels and they all have weekly rates.

This is the problem whenever these dreams of suburban stadiums are pitched.  The citizens would love to drive down the street to get to the game, but they're not willing to pay taxes for it.  High taxes are why they moved to the suburbs to begin with.
 
2013-03-07 09:36:56 PM

bulldg4life: I still wish they had put it in Doraville where the car plant is


That would require the Doraville city council to pull its head from its ass.
 
2013-03-07 09:38:41 PM

Rapmaster2000: Doraville doesn't have $1 million.  Doraville has literally three hotels and they all have weekly rates.

This is the problem whenever these dreams of suburban stadiums are pitched.  The citizens would love to drive down the street to get to the game, but they're not willing to pay taxes for it.  High taxes are why they moved to the suburbs to begin with.


My understanding of the situation (which could be flawed), is that DeKalb Co. was willing to take point on the project (and thus levy county taxes towards it), but Doraville balked at that.

Of course, as a DeKalb resident, I would've voted against that.
 
2013-03-07 09:41:13 PM
Headline from 2033-Falcons get new holographic stadium complete with CGI players.
 
2013-03-07 09:42:10 PM

The Bestest: Rapmaster2000: Doraville doesn't have $1 million.  Doraville has literally three hotels and they all have weekly rates.

This is the problem whenever these dreams of suburban stadiums are pitched.  The citizens would love to drive down the street to get to the game, but they're not willing to pay taxes for it.  High taxes are why they moved to the suburbs to begin with.

My understanding of the situation (which could be flawed), is that DeKalb Co. was willing to take point on the project (and thus levy county taxes towards it), but Doraville balked at that.

Of course, as a DeKalb resident, I would've voted against that.


Would you REALLY want the Dekalb County Commission part of this?
 
2013-03-07 09:44:46 PM
All 6 diehard falcons fans will love that
 
2013-03-07 09:46:16 PM

Another Government Employee: Would you REALLY want the Dekalb County Commission part of this?


Excellent point.
 
2013-03-07 09:48:20 PM

Another Government Employee: The Bestest: Rapmaster2000: Doraville doesn't have $1 million.  Doraville has literally three hotels and they all have weekly rates.

This is the problem whenever these dreams of suburban stadiums are pitched.  The citizens would love to drive down the street to get to the game, but they're not willing to pay taxes for it.  High taxes are why they moved to the suburbs to begin with.

My understanding of the situation (which could be flawed), is that DeKalb Co. was willing to take point on the project (and thus levy county taxes towards it), but Doraville balked at that.

Of course, as a DeKalb resident, I would've voted against that.

Would you REALLY want the Dekalb County Commission part of this?


I would vote against as well.  I don't want or need a stadium near me.  They'll say "but what about the increased revenue for the county?"  Well, ask Vine City how that works?  A stadium isn't going to improve Doraville.

Gwinnett was burned on the Gwinnett Braves stadium by promises of mixed-use, high-price condos and everything else in that hustle that they bit on.  They've learned their lesson.
 
2013-03-07 10:09:59 PM

Rapmaster2000: Gwinnett was burned on the Gwinnett Braves stadium by promises of mixed-use, high-price condos and everything else in that hustle that they bit on.  They've learned their lesson.


The giant Brandsmart is always packed!
 
2013-03-07 10:19:52 PM

Lost Thought 00: The Falcons will pay about $800 million for the stadium, which would be located near the present Georgia Dome. The remaining $200 million will come from the city's hotel-motel tax.

As stadium deals go, that's not terrible


Yeah, that's enough that I'll hold my fire.  Cities should never pay a cent for a stadium, but this doesn't appear to be adding a new burden.  Of course, that tax money is probably helping pay for minor things like schools, so they'll have to find the money elsewhere.
 
2013-03-07 10:21:48 PM

Rapmaster2000: It's been out-of-reach in price for people like you since the gays and artists moved in 15 years ago.


Wow you really went full bigot for that one didn't you?
 
2013-03-07 10:26:01 PM

GAT_00: Rapmaster2000: It's been out-of-reach in price for people like you since the gays and artists moved in 15 years ago.

Wow you really went full bigot for that one didn't you?


You are correct.  I have intolerance for jehovas witness protection.
 
2013-03-07 10:28:39 PM

robsul82: Right in the same area that everyone complains about?


Yes. Yes it is.

/Stupid move, though the deal isn't absolutely awful
//The Dome is not one of the best, but is definitely not among the worst in the league.
///You want some insight into the area? Google "Kick Ass Atlanta Mall Cop", NSFW.
 
2013-03-07 11:02:16 PM
The new stadium should totally be called "The Billenium Falcon"
 
2013-03-07 11:14:31 PM
meanwhile in San Diego.....
 
2013-03-07 11:32:47 PM
Reed says the new deal is a major part of his effort to revitalize Martin Luther King Drive in Atlanta.


Good luck with that.
 
2013-03-07 11:54:14 PM
The Falcons have had a couple of good seasons. Wonder how many PSLs they'll be able to sell if they start losing games. And yes, PSLs are coming. You didn't really think the owner of the Falcons would pay for the stadium out of his pocket, did you?

The Bestest: That would require the Doraville city council to pull its head from its ass.


Doraville exists to make life better for the people of Doraville. It isn't their responsibility to provide a stadium for football fans across the metro. Unless your town offered to pony up for the new stadium, you don't really have much room to criticize Doraville for not doing it. Also not everyone wants to have their town gridlocked and filled with parking lots. Doraville has other plans for the GM property.

/Of course if you actually live in Doraville, feel free to tell me to fark off.
 
2013-03-08 12:07:23 AM

EngineerAU: Doraville exists to make life better for the people of Doraville. It isn't their responsibility to provide a stadium for football fans across the metro. Unless your town offered to pony up for the new stadium, you don't really have much room to criticize Doraville for not doing it. Also not everyone wants to have their town gridlocked and filled with parking lots. Doraville has other plans for the GM property.

/Of course if you actually live in Doraville, feel free to tell me to fark off.


Again, I could be wrong since I don't pay very close attention to this, but as far as I've heard, there's been zero movement on these plans. My criticism stems from the fact that really, a stadium was the best deal they were gonna get for the property. This is a somewhat old article, but highlights my point a bit.

Now, if the residents simply didn't want the stadium there, be it for funding reasons or simply aesthetic/neighborhood reasons, I totally respect that. Like I said, if it came down to a county vote, I absolutely would've voted against it. As I understood it though, the city council rejected the stadium project because they thought they could get a better deal for the site.
 
2013-03-08 12:18:21 AM

Rapmaster2000: jehovahs witness protection: So they can waste another billion in 20 years. SHIAT LOADS of money to "improve" the same area "improved" when the Dome was built.
The damn thing is being built 200 yards away from the current stadium.

Castleberry Hill is set and doesn't need any improvement.  I don't see why it needs help.  It's been out-of-reach in price for people like you since the gays and artists moved in 15 years ago.

English Ave and Vine City are doomed as long as they remain the metropolitan area's open-air heroin market - specifically centered in an area known as The Bluffs.

You learned something today.


When Chicago built the United Center and razed the old Chicago Stadium, it was the catalyst for positive changes to what once was a pretty sketchy area of the city. Granted, the improvements made to the neighborhood in advance of the '96 Dem convention, and the city's embarrassment from the '92 NBA championship riot cleaned that area up pretty well also. Now you can at least walk the 1.5 miles down Madison from the Loop (downtown) to the UC and not have to worry about being shot.

/though going much farther west on Madison past the UC is strongly not recommended
//start getting into Latin Kings territory at that point
 
2013-03-08 12:38:10 AM

The Bestest: Now, if the residents simply didn't want the stadium there, be it for funding reasons or simply aesthetic/neighborhood reasons, I totally respect that. Like I said, if it came down to a county vote, I absolutely would've voted against it. As I understood it though, the city council rejected the stadium project because they thought they could get a better deal for the site.


Nah, the city council was clear pretty much the entire time that they had no interest in the stadium. They didn't make a counter offer or do anything to try to get the pot sweetened. Think the problem is that it's simply a small city and they didn't want to be overrun. Also they likely didn't want to get themselves in the same situation they did when GM shutdown and had a huge hole blown in their budget when such a large taxpayer left. Being dependent on a stadium would make the city vulnerable to this happening again.

Interesting thing I came across is that the new site for the stadium south of the Georgia Dome will require the demolition of one of Atlanta's first black churches:

     Friendship Baptist Church was established in 1862 and independently organized in 1866, in the days after the Civil War, becoming Atlanta's first black Baptist autonomous congregation.  The congregation, being unable to buy property, worshipped in a boxcar that was sent to Atlanta from Chattanooga, Tennessee to house the first class room of what became known as Atlanta University.  A contractual agreement was made with school organizers and Friendship leaders to share this boxcar for church services and educational purposes.

    The membership grew rapidly so the congregation moved to a larger building on the corner of Haynes and Markham Streets, and later to its present site at Northside Drive..

    Friendship's role in black education has been unique in that Morehouse College, upon moving to Atlanta from Augusta, Georgia, in 1879, set up classes in  Friendship Baptist Church, and Spelman College had its beginning in the basement of the present site in 1881. Close ties between these institutions continue to this day.



It'll be interesting to see how the preservationists and African American communities react to having this historic church torn down to make way for a new football stadium.
 
2013-03-08 01:44:48 AM

Lost Thought 00: The Falcons will pay about $800 million for the stadium, which would be located near the present Georgia Dome. The remaining $200 million will come from the city's hotel-motel tax.

As stadium deals go, that's not terrible


No, that's downright sensible. I only came in here to rant about cities paying for stadiums, but now I've got nothing.

What about this weather. eh?
 
2013-03-08 02:45:20 AM

robsul82: Right in the same area that everyone complains about?


Well, they need a reason to replace the to-be-built stadium, don't they?
 
2013-03-08 06:44:26 AM

bulldg4life: Rapmaster2000: Gwinnett was burned on the Gwinnett Braves stadium by promises of mixed-use, high-price condos and everything else in that hustle that they bit on.  They've learned their lesson.

The giant Brandsmart is always packed!


fark Brandsmart and their uber aggressive sales weasals.  farking predators.
 
2013-03-08 08:25:34 AM

bulldg4life: I still wish they had put it in Doraville where the car plant is


I'm extremely late to the party, but I just wanted to say that I agree with this statement. If I remember right, they tried to build there a few years ago, but the people up there refused like the idiots they are. That is the PERFECT location.
 
2013-03-08 08:28:11 AM
I also came to complain about the city paying for it but 80-20 seems fair. Well that is till it gets almost built and then they need another $250m to finish it and the taxpayers end up paying for it.
 
2013-03-08 08:29:38 AM

GAT_00: Lost Thought 00: The Falcons will pay about $800 million for the stadium, which would be located near the present Georgia Dome. The remaining $200 million will come from the city's hotel-motel tax.

As stadium deals go, that's not terrible

Yeah, that's enough that I'll hold my fire.  Cities should never pay a cent for a stadium, but this doesn't appear to be adding a new burden.  Of course, that tax money is probably helping pay for minor things like schools, so they'll have to find the money elsewhere.


Nope. The money is from the hotel-motel tax and that is, by low, ONLY to pay for a very limited range of things, none of which are schools or roads or any of that stuff. As stadium deals go, this one is pretty community friendly.
 
2013-03-08 08:32:51 AM

Choestoe: GAT_00: Lost Thought 00: The Falcons will pay about $800 million for the stadium, which would be located near the present Georgia Dome. The remaining $200 million will come from the city's hotel-motel tax.

As stadium deals go, that's not terrible

Yeah, that's enough that I'll hold my fire.  Cities should never pay a cent for a stadium, but this doesn't appear to be adding a new burden.  Of course, that tax money is probably helping pay for minor things like schools, so they'll have to find the money elsewhere.

Nope. The money is from the hotel-motel tax and that is, by low, ONLY to pay for a very limited range of things, none of which are schools or roads or any of that stuff. As stadium deals go, this one is pretty community friendly.


Er, by law, not low. Still hungover...
 
2013-03-08 08:58:09 AM
EngineerAU:
Doraville exists to make life better for the people of Doraville. It isn't their responsibility to provide a stadium for football fans across the metro. Unless your town offered to pony up for the new stadium, you don't really have much room to criticize Doraville for not doing it. Also not everyone wants to have their town gridlocked and filled with parking lots. Doraville has other plans for the GM property.

/Of course if you actually live in Doraville, feel free to tell me to fark off.



Know how I know you've never been to Doraville?
 
2013-03-08 09:14:26 AM

germ78: Rapmaster2000: jehovahs witness protection: So they can waste another billion in 20 years. SHIAT LOADS of money to "improve" the same area "improved" when the Dome was built.
The damn thing is being built 200 yards away from the current stadium.

Castleberry Hill is set and doesn't need any improvement.  I don't see why it needs help.  It's been out-of-reach in price for people like you since the gays and artists moved in 15 years ago.

English Ave and Vine City are doomed as long as they remain the metropolitan area's open-air heroin market - specifically centered in an area known as The Bluffs.

You learned something today.

When Chicago built the United Center and razed the old Chicago Stadium, it was the catalyst for positive changes to what once was a pretty sketchy area of the city. Granted, the improvements made to the neighborhood in advance of the '96 Dem convention, and the city's embarrassment from the '92 NBA championship riot cleaned that area up pretty well also. Now you can at least walk the 1.5 miles down Madison from the Loop (downtown) to the UC and not have to worry about being shot.

/though going much farther west on Madison past the UC is strongly not recommended
//start getting into Latin Kings territory at that point


I don't believe in the idea of top-down gentrification.  Significant portions of Chicago improved far beyond the area around UC without a UC.  Neighborhood improvement always works from the bottom up.  Off the top of my head I can think of areas like Printer's Row, Andersonville, and Logan Square that have improved significantly more than the UC area.  Saying that UC improved the area is in my opinion a correlative fallacy.

Sidenote:  weren't the '92 riots centered on Rush St?  I don't recall anyone rioting near the UC that year.
 
2013-03-08 09:16:43 AM

Billy Crystal Meth Lab: EngineerAU:
Doraville exists to make life better for the people of Doraville. It isn't their responsibility to provide a stadium for football fans across the metro. Unless your town offered to pony up for the new stadium, you don't really have much room to criticize Doraville for not doing it. Also not everyone wants to have their town gridlocked and filled with parking lots. Doraville has other plans for the GM property.

/Of course if you actually live in Doraville, feel free to tell me to fark off.


Know how I know you've never been to Doraville?


I think Doraville is fine.  It's an entry point for immigrants.   They'd most likely prefer a soccer stadium.

Take a visit sometime:   http://atlanta.eater.com/archives/2013/02/27/where-to-eat-on-buford-h i ghway.php
 
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