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(Kotaku)   After a flood of 1-star reviews and thousands of complaints, Amazon removes Sim City from the digital downloads. Don't worry though, you can still get it through Origin for the low price of $59.99* (*No guarantees it will actually work)   (kotaku.com) divider line 263
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2013-03-09 11:09:36 AM
Satanic_Hamster:

Suggest printing the EULA and shoving it up your dick, troll.

You've got some serious anger issues considering all I'm doing is spelling out your current legal rights regarding the purchase of EA software.

If you can get the supreme court to hear your complaints about the Origin EULA, you might be able to get a trial. Considering enterprise software EULA's haven't managed to make it out of arbitration, I don't think the highest court in the land will pick up a case about a game.
 
2013-03-09 11:13:32 AM

fluffy2097: BumpInTheNight: Class action, its the only way EA is ever going to learn.

You didn't read their EULA :(

You have no right to a class action lawsuit. You gave it up in the EULA. The best you can do is mandatory binding arbitration, paid for and chosen by EA. Sounds like you'll get a fair deal on that. ಠ_ಠ


Mine trumps theirs, it basically says if you sell me something that's broken you gotta give me my money back or I join a pile of other people and sue you.  By selling me something you agree to this.

/both carry just as much weight in court
//good thing I didn't actually buy Simcity because I knew shiat like this would happen to it
 
2013-03-09 11:16:17 AM

BumpInTheNight: Mine trumps theirs, it basically says if you sell me something that's broken you gotta give me my money back or I join a pile of other people and sue you. By selling me something you agree to this.

/both carry just as much weight in court


Well here's the thing.

Arbitration isn't court.

So since their paying for the arbitrator (and you agreed to this in the EULA),  It doesn't matter that you want to sue. You. Aren't. Allowed. to.  you MUST go through the arbitration process and in the right give up your right to a trial.

Until EULA's are ruled invalid by the supreme court or nullified by local legislation, you are farked. period.
 
2013-03-09 11:17:40 AM

fluffy2097: Well here's the thing.

Arbitration isn't court.

So since their paying for the arbitrator (and you agreed to this in the EULA), It doesn't matter that you want to sue. You. Aren't. Allowed. to. you MUST go through the arbitration process and in the right give up your right to a trial.

Until EULA's are ruled invalid by the supreme court or nullified by local legislation, you are farked. period.


You're missing the part where I'm saying their EULA doesn't mean shiat and no one will consider it valid if you pressed it.

/but what I am surprised at is the lack of story about how Visa, Mastercard and the rest are roasting EA over all the charge backs they've had to process
 
2013-03-09 11:21:05 AM

BumpInTheNight: You're missing the part where I'm saying their EULA doesn't mean shiat and no one will consider it valid if you pressed it.


People have been saying this for over a decade now, yet not one person has been able to get an EULA to court.

So it's still valid.

You can call your house Petoria and say you're an independent nation, but the rest of reality is going to disagree with you.

The EULA stands until it is proven in court to be invalid. You will be sodomized by EULA's until you get them into a court and PROVE they won't stand up.
 
2013-03-09 11:23:38 AM

BumpInTheNight: /but what I am surprised at is the lack of story about how Visa, Mastercard and the rest are roasting EA over all the charge backs they've had to process


1: CC companies don't have to process those chargebacks because of the terms of the EULA (Which you accepted knowing there is no current legal way out of it)
2: A CC chargeback means EA suspends your origin account. If you have any games on origin other then sim city, a chargeback will permanently lock you out of them (again, something you agreed to in the EULA).
 
2013-03-09 11:26:26 AM

fluffy2097: BumpInTheNight: You're missing the part where I'm saying their EULA doesn't mean shiat and no one will consider it valid if you pressed it.

People have been saying this for over a decade now, yet not one person has been able to get an EULA to court.

So it's still valid.

You can call your house Petoria and say you're an independent nation, but the rest of reality is going to disagree with you.

The EULA stands until it is proven in court to be invalid. You will be sodomized by EULA's until you get them into a court and PROVE they won't stand up.


My right to legal recourse trumps TL;DR lawyer wankfests.  No one has had to press a EULA to court because the EULA pushers know it won't hold.  This is where those out of court settlements occur.
 
2013-03-09 11:35:41 AM

BumpInTheNight: fluffy2097: BumpInTheNight: You're missing the part where I'm saying their EULA doesn't mean shiat and no one will consider it valid if you pressed it.

People have been saying this for over a decade now, yet not one person has been able to get an EULA to court.

So it's still valid.

You can call your house Petoria and say you're an independent nation, but the rest of reality is going to disagree with you.

The EULA stands until it is proven in court to be invalid. You will be sodomized by EULA's until you get them into a court and PROVE they won't stand up.

My right to legal recourse trumps TL;DR lawyer wankfests.  No one has had to press a EULA to court because the EULA pushers know it won't hold.  This is where those out of court settlements occur.


This. There may be a lot of legal dickery permitted, but for a real world example, there is no way it would stand up in court if Ford made every car buyer sign a paper that said "the car we sell you may not even start in the lot. In fact, it doesn't even have an engine. Tough titty, pay up."
 
2013-03-09 11:36:15 AM

fluffy2097: BumpInTheNight: /but what I am surprised at is the lack of story about how Visa, Mastercard and the rest are roasting EA over all the charge backs they've had to process

1: CC companies don't have to process those chargebacks because of the terms of the EULA (Which you accepted knowing there is no current legal way out of it)
2: A CC chargeback means EA suspends your origin account. If you have any games on origin other then sim city, a chargeback will permanently lock you out of them (again, something you agreed to in the EULA).


Btw, I dunno about you but my experience with Credit Card companies is one where they are very desperate for my business so they you know, do things that are reasonable if I ask of them as part of our business relationship.  ...and yah EA can suspend an account over a billing matter but I can extend the charge-back to include more then just that most recent purchase and you betcha my credit card company best side with me else I take my business to another one.

But this still all resides on a situation where I'd have opened myself up to this by purchasing an EA product that requires an Origin account in the first place and I know better then that.
 
2013-03-09 12:50:40 PM

BumpInTheNight: Btw, I dunno about you but my experience with Credit Card companies is one where they are very desperate for my business so they you know, do things that are reasonable if I ask of them as part of our business relationship. ...and yah EA can suspend an account over a billing matter but I can extend the charge-back to include more then just that most recent purchase and you betcha my credit card company best side with me else I take my business to another one.


Yeah, sure. "I'd like a chargeback on this game I bought a year ago that i've used for 300 hours..."

That shiat don't fly my friend. But since you think braying like a jackass trumps the truth of the way the legal system works, I'm sure you think it will.

/Credit card chargebacks are like Mulligans.
//You'll get one free but every time after that and you get one hell of an investigation, as illegitimate chargebacks are form of fraud.
///but I'm sure your rights trump reality again.
 
2013-03-09 02:14:33 PM

skinink: So in other words you're an idiot as well. When I got the original replies to my post I went looking for the developer's site for a solution and realised I had gone there before (Warner Bros). Their forums for AC does show the game does have various technical issues, and yadda yadda.

And also you can take your attitude and stuff it. Sorry my post seemed to piss in your cereal.


You're so adorable I just want to pinch your self-righteous cheeks!  You didn't "piss in my cereal", Sparky.  You made me smile because I see indignant children like you all of the time.

Every computer game ever made has "technical issues".  Every. Single. One.  When they work on a game, developers put together a list of 'known issues'; problems that either cannot be fixed or would require too great an expenditure of time and money to fix.  In most cases, no one outside of the company will ever see that list, but it's there.  No game ever hits the public without someone, somewhere (and it's usually multiple someones) having issues.  That is the nature of developing software for a platform that has a bare minimum of standards and nearly infinite possible hardware and software configurations.

I know that you desperately want Steam to be the bad guy in your personal little Greek tragedy (and you really want us all to know just how BAAAD Steam is), and I understand.  Disappointments are generally easier to deal with when you can blame someone else for them, especially when that someone failed to show you any sympathy.  But you know, you can take this situation as a learning experience, a chance to grow and become a better person, or you can continue to wallow in your indignation and sense of entitlement.  Either way, Fark will be here to mock you.
 
2013-03-09 02:23:24 PM

fluffy2097: not one person has been able to get an EULA to court.


Step-Saver Data Systems, Inc. v. Wyse Technology and  Vault Corp. v. Quaid Software Ltd. (both cases in which the EULAs were found to be invalid) would disagree with you.  It's far from being definitively decided either way, but there is legal precedent for courts invalidating the terms of EULAs.
 
2013-03-09 09:59:15 PM
The failed launch of SimCity marked the first establishment of a proof in the Simulation Hypothesis. The glitch in the system was seen by all. The world now knew that Electronic Arts had created the simulation of life as we know it. Nothing was real, except for their corporate interests. The year was actually 3056 Anno Spaghettio-I. The real joke was on these people. The real joke was that they were the simulation, playing games that simulated digital beings just like themselves. And they spent vast amounts of time in this simulation playing games that simulated digital beings just like themselves. It had become like rain on your wedding day. It had become ironic.
 
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