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2013-03-07 04:42:31 PM  
I guarantee it won't work
 
2013-03-07 05:13:15 PM  
The acronym "EA", when printed on a software package, is really a new rating symbol. It means "DRM gone nuts".
 
2013-03-07 05:50:01 PM  

This About That: The acronym "EA", when printed on a software package, is really a new rating symbol. It means "DRM gone nuts".


What would you have them do? Not try at all? These companies have been affected by piracy and they are fighting back.

Yeah, it does suck, and yes, there will be some troubles; but you really cannot blame them for trying extreme actions.
 
2013-03-07 05:52:38 PM  
Steam is having a "CIty Sims That Work Offline" Sale.
 
2013-03-07 05:53:49 PM  
They can do whatever they want and so can we.  We don't have to buy their crap.
 
2013-03-07 06:06:24 PM  
I miss the days that games worked out of the box.  The ability to patch software like it's an MMO doesn't make it alright to patch software like it's an MMO.
 
2013-03-07 06:07:17 PM  

CraicBaby: Steam is having a "CIty Sims That Work Offline" Sale.


are they really? damn im at work!
 
2013-03-07 06:07:18 PM  

cman: What would you have them do? Not try at all? These companies have been affected by piracy and they are fighting back


I'd have them do it in a way that doesn't screw the customers who want to buy the game like these people.

I say good, maybe they'll try something different now.
 
2013-03-07 06:07:39 PM  

cman: This About That: The acronym "EA", when printed on a software package, is really a new rating symbol. It means "DRM gone nuts".

What would you have them do? Not try at all? These companies have been affected by piracy and they are fighting back.

Yeah, it does suck, and yes, there will be some troubles; but you really cannot blame them for trying extreme actions.


6/10

Too much sympathy
 
2013-03-07 06:07:50 PM  

cman: This About That: The acronym "EA", when printed on a software package, is really a new rating symbol. It means "DRM gone nuts".

What would you have them do? Not try at all? These companies have been affected by piracy and they are fighting back.

Yeah, it does suck, and yes, there will be some troubles; but you really cannot blame them for trying extreme actions.


I honestly don't know, but is there a problem with a one-time, online activation process (I understand that CD Keys can be easily cracked) that doesn't require a constant online connection for a farking single-player game?

I like having my laptop as a portable, all-contained gaming unit.  I don't have to worry about getting stuck in a hotel with shiatty wi-fi, a third-world country or a remote FOB without internet at all, or going to visit my older relatives that have old-ass TVs you can't easily plug a modern console into it.  Or they don't have wi-fi at all.

There were times when Neverwinter Nights, Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn, KOTOR (not SWOTOR), or Morrowind made the dreaded trip to my rural relatives bearable, or getting bumped YET AGAIN off the Freedom Bird out of Kuwait.
 
2013-03-07 06:11:43 PM  

cman: This About That: The acronym "EA", when printed on a software package, is really a new rating symbol. It means "DRM gone nuts".

What would you have them do? Not try at all? These companies have been affected by piracy and they are fighting back.

Yeah, it does suck, and yes, there will be some troubles; but you really cannot blame them for trying extreme actions.


What would I have them do?  Stop worrying about pirates and start worrying about customers.  Constantly worrying about the actions of people who have no intention of paying for your software is stupid.  Inconveniencing the people who will pay for your software is even more stupid.  The number of sales and future sales they are losing over this is going to be higher than the number of sales they gain from piracy protection.

For a business supposedly in the business of making money, EA has been making some spectactularily stupid decisions of late.  Hopefully they wise up before it's too late.
 
2013-03-07 06:12:42 PM  

cman: This About That: The acronym "EA", when printed on a software package, is really a new rating symbol. It means "DRM gone nuts".

What would you have them do? Not try at all? These companies have been affected by piracy and they are fighting back.

Yeah, it does suck, and yes, there will be some troubles; but you really cannot blame them for trying extreme actions.


When Steam has been able to make it work, EA has no excuse.
 
2013-03-07 06:12:54 PM  

TwoHead: They can do whatever they want and so can we.  We don't have to buy their crap.


This would make sense, except that people still do buy their crap.  What you or i do doesn't matter.  if they sold a million copies, they'll think they can continue to get away with this.  Because they can get away with this.

It won't change, because big name games and companies dominate the advertising market, so those are the ones that get exposure, and get sold.  I remember learning that the advertisers are biased back when I played a game called One Must Fall: Battlegrounds, about which a gamespy article got published about it, slamming it and deriding so much about it.  Unfortunately, the reviewer had forgotten to actually play the game (or at least he skipped both tutorials and the controls part of the options), and it was obvious only because I'd played the game since it's beta.   It turned out, as we learned, that larger companies could pay the reviewers for high ratings.

So, what happens is we get this vicious cycle where the big companies can pay for good reviews, which people read, and then use as a reason to buy the big company's games.  They see sales, regardless of actual feedback, and make more stuff in the same format, where they pay reviewers with the money from the last shiatty game to promote the new one.  People read it, think the issues must be fixed, and buy the new shiat, ad nauseum.

Think of any game developer that is larger than an indie studio that pays attention to their forums.  Can't, can you?  The sale's been made, they don't really need to.
 
2013-03-07 06:14:16 PM  
I fired up 4 and installed a few addons.

I'll stick with that until the DRM is fixed and the game is $20 or so.
 
2013-03-07 06:15:17 PM  
I wonder if this kind of thing actually results in more sales from all the press.
 
2013-03-07 06:15:45 PM  

CraicBaby: Steam is having a "CIty Sims That Work Offline" Sale.


Nope.
 
2013-03-07 06:15:52 PM  
Amazon has been refunding people who purchased the game and cannot play it.

Sounds like they got tired of processing refunds.
 
2013-03-07 06:20:47 PM  

CraicBaby: Steam is having a "CIty Sims That Work Offline" Sale.


Fark Steam. I bought "Batman - Arkham City" through them and the game crashes to the point where I can't play the game anymore (only finished 9% of it). Asked them for a refund or a credit and they would give neither. To top it off, it's only $8 they would have to credit me. I'm not buying any games that have to go through Steam, if it means I never play another game again. And that includes any new Portal or Half Life games.
 
2013-03-07 06:22:00 PM  

Banana$$$Stand: Amazon has been refunding people who purchased the game and cannot play it.

Sounds like they got tired of processing refunds.


What sucks is that Amazon is eating that cost.  They're paying because they run a good business.

EA lied, and isn't refunding the game.  Essentially, they're getting away with what really should turn into a lawsuit.


spamdog: I wonder if this kind of thing actually results in more sales from all the press.


I'll bet it does.  People hear it and there must be some kids who think they're leet buying it to see if they can make it work.  There must be people in a few days when it works who will buy it to see what the fuss was about.  There must be some little old grannies who hear the title on the news assume it's a trending game, and buy it for little Billy.
 
2013-03-07 06:22:30 PM  

skinink: CraicBaby: Steam is having a "CIty Sims That Work Offline" Sale.

Fark Steam. I bought "Batman - Arkham City" through them and the game crashes to the point where I can't play the game anymore (only finished 9% of it). Asked them for a refund or a credit and they would give neither. To top it off, it's only $8 they would have to credit me. I'm not buying any games that have to go through Steam, if it means I never play another game again. And that includes any new Portal or Half Life games.


Question for you.

Does your cape collapse when you attempt a certain jump?
 
2013-03-07 06:22:31 PM  

cman: This About That: The acronym "EA", when printed on a software package, is really a new rating symbol. It means "DRM gone nuts".

What would you have them do? Not try at all? These companies have been affected by piracy and they are fighting back.

Yeah, it does suck, and yes, there will be some troubles; but you really cannot blame them for trying extreme actions.


Because piracy is such a big deal. Piracy is not a lose in sales. Piracy is a lost to "potential"  People that pirate games are not looking to buy the game in the first place. Hell look at minecraft. Notch the creator of the game tweeted to a fan "Just pirate it. If you still like it when you can afford it in the future, buy it then. Also don't forget to feel bad."

He goes on to say this in a blog post "If someone pirates Minecraft instead of buying it, it means I've lost some "potential" revenue. Not actual revenue, as I can never go into debt by people pirating the game too much, but I might've made even more if that person had bought the game instead. But what if that person likes that game, talks about it to his or her friends, and then I manage to convince three of them to buy the game? I'd make three actual sales instead of blocking out the potentially missed sale of the original person which never cost me any money in the first case. "

The problem with EA is they treat their customers like criminals. They release shiat games with DRM that is just very invasive then expect to nickel and dime the paying customer. EA is surviving on Madden and Fifa. They lost over 300 million on SWOTOR. Then made that terrible game into a free to play mmo that nickel and dimes the loyal customers.

All in all EA needs to be wiped off of the planet.
 
2013-03-07 06:24:24 PM  

CraicBaby: Steam is having a "CIty Sims That Work Offline" Sale.


Its a shoop, a really funny one that if Steam had balls would make real since EA is pretty much dead to them.  (Since Origin EA stopped selling anything new Steam apart from Sims add-ons to support the legacy pre-orgin Sims 3)  I already own towns but I'd buy it again just to support Steam and spite EA for this.

/great game Towns is
//just have to get past the graphics and rusty first-time devs' current UI
 
2013-03-07 06:25:32 PM  

skinink: CraicBaby: Steam is having a "CIty Sims That Work Offline" Sale.

Fark Steam. I bought "Batman - Arkham City" through them and the game crashes to the point where I can't play the game anymore (only finished 9% of it). Asked them for a refund or a credit and they would give neither. To top it off, it's only $8 they would have to credit me. I'm not buying any games that have to go through Steam, if it means I never play another game again. And that includes any new Portal or Half Life games.


wow, really?

I've bought a few games that don't work on my laptop, which run on my desktop, but I've only bought a few that don't work at all on my desktop.  Steam has always had decent support for me, and has had someone who would help me to get it running.

besides, the issue sounds like it was with the game, not Steam which is almost entirely just a delivery platform.  Unless the crash was related to their overlay layer, you went to the wrong people.

I'm genuinely surprised at the trouble you're having, unless your "one problem means i can never use the service again grrr" attitude is something you carried over on the phone, in which case, i don't blame them for not helping you.
 
2013-03-07 06:25:58 PM  

This About That: The acronym "EA", when printed on a software package, is really a new rating symbol. It means "DRM gone nuts".


Rated EA... BOD.
 
2013-03-07 06:25:59 PM  

Bhruic: cman: This About That: The acronym "EA", when printed on a software package, is really a new rating symbol. It means "DRM gone nuts".

What would you have them do? Not try at all? These companies have been affected by piracy and they are fighting back.

Yeah, it does suck, and yes, there will be some troubles; but you really cannot blame them for trying extreme actions.

What would I have them do?  Stop worrying about pirates and start worrying about customers.  Constantly worrying about the actions of people who have no intention of paying for your software is stupid.  Inconveniencing the people who will pay for your software is even more stupid.  The number of sales and future sales they are losing over this is going to be higher than the number of sales they gain from piracy protection.

For a business supposedly in the business of making money, EA has been making some spectactularily stupid decisions of late.  Hopefully they wise up before it's too late.


The approach I advocate is to make the games easily accessible at a reasonable* price.  I know several people that will pirate a game simply BECAUSE it has DRM built into it.  If EA would take their "pirates are putting us out of business" blinders off, they might actually see that all those people out there interested in their games are customers, rather than enemies to be defeated.  Instead they'd rather waste thousands to millions of dollars jamming in extra hassles for people who want their game, and the 1 or 2 people that will buy it just to crack it and put it out there for people who were never going to pay for it, think the DRM is too much of a sacrifice, or can't afford the price point they put on it.

*I'm aware that not everybody will agree on what "reasonable" is

/I play emulated games
//I only have ROMs of games I otherwise already own a legitimate copy of
 
2013-03-07 06:28:37 PM  
I like steam. Haven't had a problem with it yet. Got civilization 5 for like 7.50 last weekend because I waited to buy it since it didn't seem to be received well initially and I still played civ IV like a madman. I'm digging the new culture based civics, still getting over not being able to stack a billion guys together and roll through a city but it seems like I'm going to be liking this one. It runs a bit slower than 4 as well but not too much slower. Between that and crusader kings 2 that I bought off of amazon on sale for 10 bucks a few weeks ago I think I will get a good 200 to 300 hundred hours of entertainment for 15 dollars. I might pick up this sim city when the price drops, I like building a megatropolis syle city and with a 200k population limit and small maps EA can't get bent if they expect me to dole out full price for a "new" game that doesn't let me play how I want to play.
 
2013-03-07 06:29:10 PM  

poopsoup48: cman: This About That: The acronym "EA", when printed on a software package, is really a new rating symbol. It means "DRM gone nuts".

What would you have them do? Not try at all? These companies have been affected by piracy and they are fighting back.

Yeah, it does suck, and yes, there will be some troubles; but you really cannot blame them for trying extreme actions.

Because piracy is such a big deal. Piracy is not a lose in sales. Piracy is a lost to "potential"  People that pirate games are not looking to buy the game in the first place. Hell look at minecraft. Notch the creator of the game tweeted to a fan "Just pirate it. If you still like it when you can afford it in the future, buy it then. Also don't forget to feel bad."

He goes on to say this in a blog post "If someone pirates Minecraft instead of buying it, it means I've lost some "potential" revenue. Not actual revenue, as I can never go into debt by people pirating the game too much, but I might've made even more if that person had bought the game instead. But what if that person likes that game, talks about it to his or her friends, and then I manage to convince three of them to buy the game? I'd make three actual sales instead of blocking out the potentially missed sale of the original person which never cost me any money in the first case. "

The problem with EA is they treat their customers like criminals. They release shiat games with DRM that is just very invasive then expect to nickel and dime the paying customer. EA is surviving on Madden and Fifa. They lost over 300 million on SWOTOR. Then made that terrible game into a free to play mmo that nickel and dimes the loyal customers.

All in all EA needs to be wiped off of the planet.


I agreed with you up until you brought up SWTOR.

SWTOR wasn't a loss, and an mmo switching to a free-to-play model is common.  I'm almost positive they make more money that way, and they planned on it.  they intentionally launched with more servers and only subscription options to up the hype, intending to condense and switch after the initial curiosity for the game died down.  It's not failing, it wasn't ever a loss of money for them, and you now sound like an idiot who doesn't have any clue what the hell you're talking about.

granted, i otherwise agree with you, and wouldn't mind EA being relegated to history books for sports fanatics and nothing more.
 
2013-03-07 06:29:47 PM  

CraicBaby: Steam is having a "CIty Sims That Work Offline" Sale.


how would i go about seeing this? i don't see it anywhere in the store. difficulty: i only use steam to play the orange box games.
 
2013-03-07 06:29:49 PM  

IronJelly: skinink: CraicBaby: Steam is having a "CIty Sims That Work Offline" Sale.

Fark Steam. I bought "Batman - Arkham City" through them and the game crashes to the point where I can't play the game anymore (only finished 9% of it). Asked them for a refund or a credit and they would give neither. To top it off, it's only $8 they would have to credit me. I'm not buying any games that have to go through Steam, if it means I never play another game again. And that includes any new Portal or Half Life games.

wow, really?

I've bought a few games that don't work on my laptop, which run on my desktop, but I've only bought a few that don't work at all on my desktop.  Steam has always had decent support for me, and has had someone who would help me to get it running.

besides, the issue sounds like it was with the game, not Steam which is almost entirely just a delivery platform.  Unless the crash was related to their overlay layer, you went to the wrong people.

I'm genuinely surprised at the trouble you're having, unless your "one problem means i can never use the service again grrr" attitude is something you carried over on the phone, in which case, i don't blame them for not helping you.


It was $8, it probably cost steam more then that worth of customer service drone-time to deal with him then they earned from that sale.  It wasn't even just the game, that game is a stable one (no bethesda v1 release), his system's at fault and he wants a refund or swear off the biggest PC gaming platform there is because of an $8 game he couldn't get working on his computer.  I'm sure steam is quivering over that income loss.
 
2013-03-07 06:29:53 PM  

meat0918: Does your cape collapse when you attempt a certain jump?


I'm pretty sure that was only in Arkham Asylum, not Arkham City.
 
2013-03-07 06:30:33 PM  

divgradcurl: how would i go about seeing this?


You won't.  It's a shoop.
 
2013-03-07 06:31:24 PM  

cman: This About That: The acronym "EA", when printed on a software package, is really a new rating symbol. It means "DRM gone nuts".

What would you have them do? Not try at all? These companies have been affected by piracy and they are fighting back.

Yeah, it does suck, and yes, there will be some troubles; but you really cannot blame them for trying extreme actions.


This is the kind of shiat attitude that enables shiat companies like EA to saddle customers with shiat DRM. How the fark can you excuse them treating paying customers like criminals? I guess people will defend any farked up thing on the internet. I'm not the criminal. I pay for my goddamned software. If I pay $60 dollars for a game, then it should work right out of the box. There is no farking excuse whatsoever for my game to not work out of the box. I blame them, I blame them heavily. Not only do they screw honest customers with their shiatty DRM schemes, but then they nickel and dime the fark out of you with DLC for abilities like "sprint", or hotbars, or not going through 5 loading screens to get from 1 farking zone to another. EA is the definition of a shiat company with a shiat business ethos and an absolute contempt for their customers.
 
2013-03-07 06:31:49 PM  

cman: This About That: The acronym "EA", when printed on a software package, is really a new rating symbol. It means "DRM gone nuts".

What would you have them do? Not try at all? These companies have been affected by piracy and they are fighting back.

Yeah, it does suck, and yes, there will be some troubles; but you really cannot blame them for trying extreme actions.


is this another one of those "entitled gamer" arguments?

their product doesn't work, and their greed is making their products worse in general, who cares if it's EA? they can go cry to their shareholders if they feel like they're not getting enough money, consumers should only expect a product they can use and be entertained... anything else you expect gamers to do like white-knight defend publishers is pure bullshiat
 
2013-03-07 06:32:03 PM  

Arumat: The approach I advocate is to make the games easily accessible at a reasonable* price.  I know several people that will pirate a game simply BECAUSE it has DRM built into it.  If EA would take their "pirates are putting us out of business" blinders off, they might actually see that all those people out there interested in their games are customers, rather than enemies to be defeated.  Instead they'd rather waste thousands to millions of dollars jamming in extra hassles for people who want their game, and the 1 or 2 people that will buy it just to crack it and put it out there for people who were never going to pay for it, think the DRM is too much of a sacrifice, or can't afford the price point they put on it.

*I'm aware that not everybody will agree on what "reasonable" is



This is why i'm a fan of the DLC DRM model.  Either make the base game cheap, or don't worry about people pirating it.  Make it good, make it still feel complete on it's own.  Then release DLC that's actually good, comprehensive, and worth having, and make sure that only legitimate copies can use the DLC.
*by DLC, i mean whole amounts of content, not extra skins, or one more dungeon, but something closer to an expansion pack.  The Shivering Isles was a good example of this.
 
2013-03-07 06:34:41 PM  

AdamK: cman: This About That: The acronym "EA", when printed on a software package, is really a new rating symbol. It means "DRM gone nuts".

What would you have them do? Not try at all? These companies have been affected by piracy and they are fighting back.

Yeah, it does suck, and yes, there will be some troubles; but you really cannot blame them for trying extreme actions.

is this another one of those "entitled gamer" arguments?

their product doesn't work, and their greed is making their products worse in general, who cares if it's EA? they can go cry to their shareholders if they feel like they're not getting enough money, consumers should only expect a product they can use and be entertained... anything else you expect gamers to do like white-knight defend publishers is pure bullshiat


What is up with the powerword "White Knight" making a huge push into mainstream? I say that I understand why they do what they do then OMG WHITE KNIGHT OMGWTFBBQ!
 
2013-03-07 06:35:16 PM  

poopsoup48: Because piracy is such a big deal. Piracy is not a lose in sales. Piracy is a lost to "potential" People that pirate games are not looking to buy the game in the first place. Hell look at minecraft. Notch the creator of the game tweeted to a fan "Just pirate it. If you still like it when you can afford it in the future, buy it then. Also don't forget to feel bad."


I agree with Notch, but he is also forgetting that his shop operates differently than a AAA games producer.

It takes a large investment of time and resources to produce most top tier games these days.  The game-play quality aside, the amount of skilled labor and production hours that go into them is vast.  A company has to make their costs back in sales or they go out of business.  They can't afford the loss of potential.  If you pirate their game, you are reducing the revenue they need to pay the programmers and designers for making the title.  It is not a loss of potential, it is use of a produced good without reimbursing the manufacturer.

This is also why I am bothered by people who claim that piracy is not theft because you are only copying.  Do these people also feel that stiffing a hooker is ok because she still has her lady-parts?
 
2013-03-07 06:35:43 PM  

cman: Yeah, it does suck, and yes, there will be some troubles; but you really cannot blame them for trying extreme actions.


Yeah, I can.  Its inconvenience to legitimate users is evident, and it removes what should be my property rights as the owner of a product.  As a potential customer, I can choose not to buy their product because of this.  And I did.
 
2013-03-07 06:38:02 PM  

cman: What is up with the powerword "White Knight" making a huge push into mainstream? I say that I understand why they do what they do then OMG WHITE KNIGHT OMGWTFBBQ!


As I understand it, that's exactly what White Knighting is.  the discussion is about how much they suck, not how much we misunderstand their point, if we do.

//and i don't think a few people knowing the term on fark qualifies as mainstream.  2/10.
 
2013-03-07 06:38:42 PM  

Counter_Intelligent: cman: Yeah, it does suck, and yes, there will be some troubles; but you really cannot blame them for trying extreme actions.

Yeah, I can.  Its inconvenience to legitimate users is evident, and it removes what should be my property rights as the owner of a product.  As a potential customer, I can choose not to buy their product because of this.  And I did.


Especially when other methods of DRM work better then the "always online" crap that always seems to fail on launch.

I see the reasoning behind DRM, but I do not see the reasoning behind such draconian DRM like this.
 
2013-03-07 06:39:04 PM  

skinink: CraicBaby: Steam is having a "CIty Sims That Work Offline" Sale.

Fark Steam. I bought "Batman - Arkham City" through them and the game crashes to the point where I can't play the game anymore (only finished 9% of it). Asked them for a refund or a credit and they would give neither. To top it off, it's only $8 they would have to credit me. I'm not buying any games that have to go through Steam, if it means I never play another game again. And that includes any new Portal or Half Life games.


How did you determine that the crash was Steam's fault?

As for not giving you a refund or credit, that's pretty much standard for every company on Earth that sells software, so it's not like Steam is being unusually mean by not letting you have one, especially since the "fault" with the product is almost definitely on your end and has nothing to do with them.

/Wondering whether we'll get the "It can't be my machine because it's new!", "Arkham City is the only game that's ever crashed for me ever in my entire life!", or the "I don't care if it's my machine that's the problem, I bought it from Steam so it's their responsibility to fix it" response.
 
2013-03-07 06:40:54 PM  

The WindowLicker: poopsoup48: Because piracy is such a big deal. Piracy is not a lose in sales. Piracy is a lost to "potential" People that pirate games are not looking to buy the game in the first place. Hell look at minecraft. Notch the creator of the game tweeted to a fan "Just pirate it. If you still like it when you can afford it in the future, buy it then. Also don't forget to feel bad."

I agree with Notch, but he is also forgetting that his shop operates differently than a AAA games producer.

It takes a large investment of time and resources to produce most top tier games these days.  The game-play quality aside, the amount of skilled labor and production hours that go into them is vast.  A company has to make their costs back in sales or they go out of business.  They can't afford the loss of potential.  If you pirate their game, you are reducing the revenue they need to pay the programmers and designers for making the title.  It is not a loss of potential, it is use of a produced good without reimbursing the manufacturer.

This is also why I am bothered by people who claim that piracy is not theft because you are only copying.  Do these people also feel that stiffing a hooker is ok because she still has her lady-parts?


Maybe so, but your hooker can't also be diddling some other guy at the same time.  You're not going to (probably) recommend her to your friends, nor are they going to see you doing things to her and think they want a piece of that.  If you stiff her, her time was wasted and she knows it.
 
2013-03-07 06:40:56 PM  

Counter_Intelligent: divgradcurl: how would i go about seeing this?

You won't.  It's a shoop.


another liar on the internet!?!?!?! the hell you say... ok, thanks anyways. i must remember to 'enhance' my bio some time and become less gullible
 
2013-03-07 06:41:32 PM  

Bender The Offender: cman: This About That: The acronym "EA", when printed on a software package, is really a new rating symbol. It means "DRM gone nuts".

What would you have them do? Not try at all? These companies have been affected by piracy and they are fighting back.

Yeah, it does suck, and yes, there will be some troubles; but you really cannot blame them for trying extreme actions.

This is the kind of shiat attitude that enables shiat companies like EA to saddle customers with shiat DRM. How the fark can you excuse them treating paying customers like criminals? I guess people will defend any farked up thing on the internet. I'm not the criminal. I pay for my goddamned software. If I pay $60 dollars for a game, then it should work right out of the box. There is no farking excuse whatsoever for my game to not work out of the box. I blame them, I blame them heavily. Not only do they screw honest customers with their shiatty DRM schemes, but then they nickel and dime the fark out of you with DLC for abilities like "sprint", or hotbars, or not going through 5 loading screens to get from 1 farking zone to another. EA is the definition of a shiat company with a shiat business ethos and an absolute contempt for their customers.


To think that EA considers their customers as the scum of the earth is laughable. Without customers they wouldnt be in business. They know this and they understand this. They are in the business to make money. If you treat your customers like shiat they won't spend their money.

EA board room doesnt meet with old men smoking cigars saying "How can we fark over everyone today?". That is the way that you are putting it.
 
2013-03-07 06:42:20 PM  

The WindowLicker: poopsoup48: Because piracy is such a big deal. Piracy is not a lose in sales. Piracy is a lost to "potential" People that pirate games are not looking to buy the game in the first place. Hell look at minecraft. Notch the creator of the game tweeted to a fan "Just pirate it. If you still like it when you can afford it in the future, buy it then. Also don't forget to feel bad."

I agree with Notch, but he is also forgetting that his shop operates differently than a AAA games producer.

It takes a large investment of time and resources to produce most top tier games these days.  The game-play quality aside, the amount of skilled labor and production hours that go into them is vast.  A company has to make their costs back in sales or they go out of business.  They can't afford the loss of potential.  If you pirate their game, you are reducing the revenue they need to pay the programmers and designers for making the title.  It is not a loss of potential, it is use of a produced good without reimbursing the manufacturer.

This is also why I am bothered by people who claim that piracy is not theft because you are only copying.  Do these people also feel that stiffing a hooker is ok because she still has her lady-parts?


The biggest thing is balance. Is piracy an issue for publishers? Undoubtedly, and they are allowed to address it how they see fit. However if their solution ends up creating a problem like this one where you can't play the goddamn game it's pretty safe to say that they farked up and this isn't a good way to stop people from pirating. I would have bought this game on launch day if they didn't have this BS attached to it. At best I will buy it when it's on sale, or not at all. Do they count that loss to their potential revenue stream equally as they do someone pirating it? Either way they lose potential revenue and it hurts their bottom line
 
2013-03-07 06:42:20 PM  

I created this alt just for this thread: /Wondering whether we'll get the "It can't be my machine because it's new!", "Arkham City is the only game that's ever crashed for me ever in my entire life!", or the "I don't care if it's my machine that's the problem, I bought it from Steam so it's their responsibility to fix it" response.


I'm wondering if he ever took the effort to look online for a solution first, or i he just went straight to Steam and said "Wahh this doesn't work, you suck I want my money back!"
 
2013-03-07 06:42:37 PM  

divgradcurl: and become less gullible


Don't worry about it.  The only reason I know was because I went to Steam, as I wished it was true myself.  If only just for the laughs.
 
2013-03-07 06:43:11 PM  

cman: This About That: The acronym "EA", when printed on a software package, is really a new rating symbol. It means "DRM gone nuts".

What would you have them do? Not try at all? These companies have been affected by piracy and they are fighting back.


Unfortunately the target they chose to fight back against is their paying customers. I would use an Iraq war metaphor, but this is beyond attacking just the wrong country. This is like attacking Ohio in response to 9/11.
 
2013-03-07 06:43:37 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-07 06:43:39 PM  

cman: To think that EA considers their customers as the scum of the earth is laughable. Without customers they wouldnt be in business. They know this and they understand this. They are in the business to make money. If you treat your customers like shiat they won't spend their money.

EA board room doesnt meet with old men smoking cigars saying "How can we fark over everyone today?". That is the way that you are putting it.



While i'm certain that you're right about them not choosing to fark over everyone today, I disagree in general.  They are out of touch with what the customers want.  If they gave a rat's ass about the general consumer, this incident would not have happened.  incompetence or malice both have the same result, and stem from the same issues.
 
2013-03-07 06:44:32 PM  

cman: EA board room doesnt meet with old men smoking cigars saying "How can we fark over everyone today?". That is the way that you are putting it.


No, they meet and say "how can we make more money today?"

And then they list options, and wouldn't you know it, the way they can make the most money is by "farking over the customer"
 
2013-03-07 06:45:20 PM  

cman: To think that EA considers their customers as the scum of the earth is laughable. Without customers they wouldnt be in business. They know this and they understand this. They are in the business to make money. If you treat your customers like shiat they won't spend their money.

EA board room doesnt meet with old men smoking cigars saying "How can we fark over everyone today?". That is the way that you are putting it.


So why do they treat their customers like shiat? Oh, because they're BAD at business. They make stupid decisions. Doesn't help that everything they touch turns to shiat. Just look at Bioware.
 
2013-03-07 06:46:05 PM  

chaoswolf: cman: To think that EA considers their customers as the scum of the earth is laughable. Without customers they wouldnt be in business. They know this and they understand this. They are in the business to make money. If you treat your customers like shiat they won't spend their money.

EA board room doesnt meet with old men smoking cigars saying "How can we fark over everyone today?". That is the way that you are putting it.

So why do they treat their customers like shiat? Oh, because they're BAD at business. They make stupid decisions. Doesn't help that everything they touch turns to shiat. Just look at Bioware.


I'm unsure what problem with Bioware you're referring to.  elaborate.
 
2013-03-07 06:46:12 PM  
cman:  ...but you really cannot blame them for trying extreme actions.

Uh...yes, yes I can.  "Extreme actions" is never a good thing (unless you're saving a life but even then only if it's successful).
 
2013-03-07 06:51:08 PM  

chaoswolf: So why do they treat their customers like shiat? Oh, because they're BAD at business. They make stupid decisions. Doesn't help that everything they touch turns to shiat. Just look at Bioware.


While I'd like to agree that they're bad at business, they're still making gobs of money.  So why would they get better?

Hell, everyone knew well in advance this type of DRM would be included and they still bought the game anyway.
 
2013-03-07 06:52:27 PM  

cman: Bender The Offender: cman: This About That: The acronym "EA", when printed on a software package, is really a new rating symbol. It means "DRM gone nuts".

What would you have them do? Not try at all? These companies have been affected by piracy and they are fighting back.

Yeah, it does suck, and yes, there will be some troubles; but you really cannot blame them for trying extreme actions.

This is the kind of shiat attitude that enables shiat companies like EA to saddle customers with shiat DRM. How the fark can you excuse them treating paying customers like criminals? I guess people will defend any farked up thing on the internet. I'm not the criminal. I pay for my goddamned software. If I pay $60 dollars for a game, then it should work right out of the box. There is no farking excuse whatsoever for my game to not work out of the box. I blame them, I blame them heavily. Not only do they screw honest customers with their shiatty DRM schemes, but then they nickel and dime the fark out of you with DLC for abilities like "sprint", or hotbars, or not going through 5 loading screens to get from 1 farking zone to another. EA is the definition of a shiat company with a shiat business ethos and an absolute contempt for their customers.

To think that EA considers their customers as the scum of the earth is laughable. Without customers they wouldnt be in business. They know this and they understand this. They are in the business to make money. If you treat your customers like shiat they won't spend their money.

EA board room doesnt meet with old men smoking cigars saying "How can we fark over everyone today?". That is the way that you are putting it.


They target their DRM at paying customers. How is that not contempt for your paying customers, exactly? Explain it to me. The DRM has already been cracked and pirates are playing the game offline, so the only people that the DRM is actually hurting is their paying customer. Anyone that plays games or has heard of pirate bay knows it takes between 24-72 hours for pirates to crack DRM. EA knows this. This is contempt for their consumers. I love the hyperbole, btw. Ask any waiter or barrista, it's very easy to have contempt for your customers without your idiotic Snidely Whiplash implication.
 
2013-03-07 06:52:33 PM  

TwoHead: They can do whatever they want and so can we.  We don't have to buy their crap.


I am seeing a lot of "Well, it's fun when I get a chance to play, so I'm glad that I'll have it to play in two weeks when the server overload isn't as bad," sadly.

I don't get it, but I don't really play EA's games anyway. My gaming has trended more toward indies and older PC games with the occasional big-time release mixed in.
 
2013-03-07 06:53:20 PM  
It's about time EA took a legit hit from their shiat business `strategy'
 
2013-03-07 06:55:03 PM  

Smelly McUgly: My gaming has trended more toward indies and older PC games with the occasional big-time release mixed in.


Yeah, I used to buy one new game a month back in the mid to late 90's

Now I usually buy one new game a year and wait until the rest are on sale.
 
2013-03-07 06:57:33 PM  

The WindowLicker: This is also why I am bothered by people who claim that piracy is not theft because you are only copying.


Can we please stop with the "piracy is theft" stupidity?  Piracy is not theft, and it's never going to be theft, no matter what perspective you try to look at it from.  If it was theft, we wouldn't need separate laws for piracy, now would we?  We could just prosecute under existing grand theft laws and be done with it.

Think about it, if the MPAA & RIAA lawyers could get away with felony grand theft charges for something that they could claim has a value in the millions, they would be all over that shiat in a heartbeat.  "Yes, your honor, it cost over $300 million to make Avatar, so that's the declared value of the property stolen by studman69 when he put it on bittorrent."
 
2013-03-07 07:02:27 PM  
I don't know why I even bother with video game threads on here anymore.  Somebody mentions steam, I go check the store, now I just dropped 18 bucks on a game I bought ages ago and lost the disk to, probably for full price at the time, but oh it's in HD now but still doesn't come out for another month+, and I don't even have time to play the games I already bought during holiday sales that I've never played before.

I need to take, like, a month vacation.
 
2013-03-07 07:03:55 PM  

Smelly McUgly: I am seeing a lot of "Well, it's fun when I get a chance to play, so I'm glad that I'll have it to play in two weeks when the server overload isn't as bad," sadly.


My coworker told me yesterday that he gave in and got it, despite the problems, because "I'm too big of a Simcity fan to let it go".

I quickly pointed out that he was part of the problem in the first place, that buying it just encouraged EA to continue doing this in the future. His response? "*shrug* Yea, I kinda see that, but hey, it's Simcity"
 
2013-03-07 07:06:10 PM  

Scruffinator: I don't know why I even bother with video game threads on here anymore.  Somebody mentions steam, I go check the store, now I just dropped 18 bucks on a game I bought ages ago and lost the disk to, probably for full price at the time, but oh it's in HD now but still doesn't come out for another month+, and I don't even have time to play the games I already bought during holiday sales that I've never played before.

I need to take, like, a month vacation.


You saw age of empires as well eh?
 
2013-03-07 07:07:47 PM  

BumpInTheNight: Scruffinator: I don't know why I even bother with video game threads on here anymore.  Somebody mentions steam, I go check the store, now I just dropped 18 bucks on a game I bought ages ago and lost the disk to, probably for full price at the time, but oh it's in HD now but still doesn't come out for another month+, and I don't even have time to play the games I already bought during holiday sales that I've never played before.

I need to take, like, a month vacation.

You saw age of empires as well eh?


Oh no...
 
2013-03-07 07:11:14 PM  
Seriously, it's a freakin' Sim City game.  Were people really anticipating this?
 
2013-03-07 07:11:37 PM  
Here's what I don't get: If you're EA and you have $11 kabillion dollars, employ enough people to fill Kansas, and have an army of gamers just waiting for you to screw up, how is it even possible that you didn't throw enough resources at your servers to handle the load? I get that problems like this are not always about throwing more hardware into a server room, but if the problems were all in their code this POS would have never made it past alpha.

What number could your hosting provider possibly had quoted that makes this cock-up seem worth it?
 
2013-03-07 07:11:42 PM  

Glitchwerks: chaoswolf: So why do they treat their customers like shiat? Oh, because they're BAD at business. They make stupid decisions. Doesn't help that everything they touch turns to shiat. Just look at Bioware.

While I'd like to agree that they're bad at business, they're still making gobs of money.  So why would they get better?

Hell, everyone knew well in advance this type of DRM would be included and they still bought the game anyway.


Why get better? Why stop pissing off customers and turning good companies into crap? To make more money. That's what businesses are supposed to do.

If I can't buy it from Steam during a sale, I don't buy it anymore because of the vapid BS that has taken over the gaming industry. If I see that I have to tie into Windows Live or EA's origin, I won't buy it at all.

How anyone can see that driving me as a customer to these decisions is a wise move is beyond my ability to grok.
 
2013-03-07 07:12:29 PM  
when I first heard there was going to be a new sim city, I really wanted to buy it. for months I tried to get more info as it became available. I've been an avid sim city player since the original waaaaay back when. had 2000, 3000, 4 (with rush hour expansion) and tons and tons of gigabytes worth of mods and user created content. hell, sim city 4 was available in big box stores for almost a decade because users kept it alive with created content and mods (how many games can make this claim, I mean really?) EA knew exactly what sim city fans wanted out of the game and delivered none of it. instead we got a mediocre city simulator that's loaded with DRM bullshiat and a game that was never meant to be multiplayer is now forcefully so.

fact of the matter is, I was more than willing to spend money on this game but after months of being disappointed by developments and now all the negative reviews regarding the features alone I will not be purchasing this game. fark EA. maybe someone else will make a good city simulator - Cities XL was pretty good. hell, better than this pile of crap. without user generated content this franchise is dead.

/good graphics don't make a game good if the functionality is lacking.
//fark EA
 
2013-03-07 07:13:06 PM  

BumpInTheNight: Scruffinator: I don't know why I even bother with video game threads on here anymore.  Somebody mentions steam, I go check the store, now I just dropped 18 bucks on a game I bought ages ago and lost the disk to, probably for full price at the time, but oh it's in HD now but still doesn't come out for another month+, and I don't even have time to play the games I already bought during holiday sales that I've never played before.

I need to take, like, a month vacation.

You saw age of empires as well eh?


I didn't so much see it as I slipped into a euphoric dream state. The only way that news could have been better is if it was delivered by a naked Kate Upton.
 
2013-03-07 07:14:34 PM  
I just want to pay my money and play my game.

If you fark up part of that contract, then I don't fulfill my part.
 
2013-03-07 07:15:29 PM  

jayhawk88: BumpInTheNight: Scruffinator: I don't know why I even bother with video game threads on here anymore.  Somebody mentions steam, I go check the store, now I just dropped 18 bucks on a game I bought ages ago and lost the disk to, probably for full price at the time, but oh it's in HD now but still doesn't come out for another month+, and I don't even have time to play the games I already bought during holiday sales that I've never played before.

I need to take, like, a month vacation.

You saw age of empires as well eh?

I didn't so much see it as I slipped into a euphoric dream state. The only way that news could have been better is if it was delivered by a naked Kate Upton.


If I spent the same amount of time working as I did building massive colonies in the Black Forest I'd be able to retire by now.

/April 9th....
 
2013-03-07 07:16:09 PM  
I can't wait till they fix this, so I can BitTorrent it to keep me occupied for Cities in Motion 2.

/don't normally pirate titles, but EA is just begging for it in this case
 
2013-03-07 07:16:14 PM  

IronJelly: I'm unsure what problem with Bioware you're referring to.  elaborate.


EA forced ME3 to go through Origin. Strike 1.
DA2 was a PoS compared to DA:O. Strike 2.
ME3's ending was a steaming PoS compared to anything in the world. (meh, everyone screws up from time to time.)
Bioware's quality started going downhill as soon as EA acquired them. Added up meant strike 3.

It's sad but oh well, life goes on and there are other games to play.
 
2013-03-07 07:16:23 PM  

IronJelly: poopsoup48: cman: This About That: The acronym "EA", when printed on a software package, is really a new rating symbol. It means "DRM gone nuts".

What would you have them do? Not try at all? These companies have been affected by piracy and they are fighting back.

Yeah, it does suck, and yes, there will be some troubles; but you really cannot blame them for trying extreme actions.

Because piracy is such a big deal. Piracy is not a lose in sales. Piracy is a lost to "potential"  People that pirate games are not looking to buy the game in the first place. Hell look at minecraft. Notch the creator of the game tweeted to a fan "Just pirate it. If you still like it when you can afford it in the future, buy it then. Also don't forget to feel bad."

He goes on to say this in a blog post "If someone pirates Minecraft instead of buying it, it means I've lost some "potential" revenue. Not actual revenue, as I can never go into debt by people pirating the game too much, but I might've made even more if that person had bought the game instead. But what if that person likes that game, talks about it to his or her friends, and then I manage to convince three of them to buy the game? I'd make three actual sales instead of blocking out the potentially missed sale of the original person which never cost me any money in the first case. "

The problem with EA is they treat their customers like criminals. They release shiat games with DRM that is just very invasive then expect to nickel and dime the paying customer. EA is surviving on Madden and Fifa. They lost over 300 million on SWOTOR. Then made that terrible game into a free to play mmo that nickel and dimes the loyal customers.

All in all EA needs to be wiped off of the planet.

I agreed with you up until you brought up SWTOR.

SWTOR wasn't a loss, and an mmo switching to a free-to-play model is common.  I'm almost positive they make more money that way, and they planned on it.  they intentionally launched with more servers and ...


Swotor was indeed a loss. Sinking over 300 million into the next wow killer over a six year period. Using a game engine that was not complete. Then not using the engine developers to upgrade the game was a dumb move. The game started off with 1.7 million users. In a six month period they dropped down to 400k users. EA stock went from 25 dollars a share to 12 dollars a share in that same six months. EA is barely recovering back up to 18 dollars a share. Switching to a free to play model is the only way swotor even has a player base.

The data is on my side. You may want to do some research before calling someone an idiot. You end up looking like one when you use that term loosely.
 
2013-03-07 07:17:23 PM  
Update: Unfortunately I can't recommend buying SimCity until these crippling server issues are fixed. Please don't purchase it until there's a reasonable expectation that you'll be able to actually play.

Ouch. Like 'em or hate 'em, IGN is influential.
 
2013-03-07 07:18:26 PM  

IronJelly: chaoswolf: cman: To think that EA considers their customers as the scum of the earth is laughable. Without customers they wouldnt be in business. They know this and they understand this. They are in the business to make money. If you treat your customers like shiat they won't spend their money.

EA board room doesnt meet with old men smoking cigars saying "How can we fark over everyone today?". That is the way that you are putting it.

So why do they treat their customers like shiat? Oh, because they're BAD at business. They make stupid decisions. Doesn't help that everything they touch turns to shiat. Just look at Bioware.

I'm unsure what problem with Bioware you're referring to.  elaborate.


Mass Effect. Great game when it was just Bioware. After EA got involved, Mass Effect 3 and all the rap that came with that. On a related note, Amazon gave people back their money or that game because it was so bad too.
 
2013-03-07 07:21:46 PM  

CraicBaby: Steam is having a "CIty Sims That Work Offline" Sale.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-07 07:21:49 PM  
All of the people who bought this, were going to buy this regardless of the availability of pirate versions of it or not,

Many who did NOT buy this might have bought it, regardless of the availability of pirate versions of it or not, but chose not to because of the onerous always-connected DRM.

Now, many of their loyal users are pissed because of many things, but the biggest is the crappy DRM. Many of those customers will probably not return to the franchise - indeed, they may no longer purchase ANY EA games again.

Congrats, EA. Your idiotic, clumsy, anti-piracy effort has not gained you a SINGLE SALE that might have been lost due to piracy, and in fact, COST YOU many more sales. The ill-will spawned by this effort will have repercussions for many games under the EA umbrella for some time to come.
 
2013-03-07 07:22:46 PM  
I (I), I (I), I (I), Ain't gonna play Sim City
Oh, no no no no!
 
2013-03-07 07:27:21 PM  
I don't hate EA like others seem to, Origin isn't all that bad from my limited experience (though I only use it for DA2 and ME3).  It plays nicely with Steam and keeps a low profile.

I do however have a bunch of friends who were excited about Sim City and I was gonna pick up a copy to play with them,  but this clusterfark pretty much makes this game a pass for me, even after they sort out their servers.

/back to Tomb Raider
//and Citadel DLC (ME3)
 
2013-03-07 07:27:59 PM  

Tax Boy: CraicBaby: Steam is having a "CIty Sims That Work Offline" Sale.


Stop posting bullshiat.
 
2013-03-07 07:29:04 PM  

CraicBaby: Steam is having a "CIty Sims That Work Offline" Sale.


Where have you seen that? I keep looking all over the steam store for it (I want to share it with a friend who was interested in Cities XL) but keep coming up emptyhanded. And I've seen the screengrabs for it, so I know it exists.
 
2013-03-07 07:29:47 PM  

"/Wondering whether we'll get the "It can't be my machine because it's new!", "Arkham City is the only game that's ever crashed for me ever in my entire life!", or the "I don't care if it's my machine that's the problem, I bought it from Steam so it's their responsibility to fix it" response."


No here's the response. You're a twat. You (all) project that I'm some kind of jerk to them on the phone (tickets can be submitted for issues online) or project that I screwed up, not the game. Though there are threads after threads of others having issues. I know because I looked up everything online before contacting Steam Support. And even after I tried their solutions, nothing worked. Though their other games I've purchased from Steam work. So after the purchases I've made, they can't give a a small credit? Then you project that I was the one who screwed up, and not the game that has issues?

A lot of you guys don't have a clue what you're talking about.

 
2013-03-07 07:30:01 PM  

germ78: CraicBaby: Steam is having a "CIty Sims That Work Offline" Sale.

Where have you seen that? I keep looking all over the steam store for it (I want to share it with a friend who was interested in Cities XL) but keep coming up emptyhanded. And I've seen the photoshopped screengrabs for it, so I know it exists.


FTFY
 
2013-03-07 07:30:20 PM  

germ78: CraicBaby: Steam is having a "CIty Sims That Work Offline" Sale.

Where have you seen that? I keep looking all over the steam store for it (I want to share it with a friend who was interested in Cities XL) but keep coming up emptyhanded. And I've seen the screengrabs for it, so I know it exists.


You have to refresh the steam main page a few times, with the proper timing.  It's like an easter egg.
 
2013-03-07 07:30:59 PM  

Tax Boy: CraicBaby: Steam is having a "CIty Sims That Work Offline" Sale.

[i.imgur.com image 850x544]


I am not seeing this when I log into steam, which is a shame as I have wanted to give Tropico a run forever. I mean, sure, I was planning to get into Warhammer this weekend and play some more Alien Crossfire, but Tropico 3 for three bucks and change sounds great!

Maybe it's a good thing that I can't see this screen when I log in.
 
2013-03-07 07:32:14 PM  
Guess you can't fix stupid.
 
2013-03-07 07:33:09 PM  
<Shrug> Only problem I had with Arkham City was having to go through the hassle of nuking the Windows Live tie in.
 
2013-03-07 07:37:42 PM  

Smelly McUgly: I am not seeing this when I log into steam, which is a shame as I have wanted to give Tropico a run forever. I mean, sure, I was planning to get into Warhammer this weekend and play some more Alien Crossfire, but Tropico 3 for three bucks and change sounds great!


He's trolling, it's a 'shop.
 
2013-03-07 07:40:12 PM  

Yuri Futanari: I don't hate EA like others seem to, Origin isn't all that bad from my limited experience (though I only use it for DA2 and ME3).  It plays nicely with Steam and keeps a low profile.

I do however have a bunch of friends who were excited about Sim City and I was gonna pick up a copy to play with them,  but this clusterfark pretty much makes this game a pass for me, even after they sort out their servers.

/back to Tomb Raider
//and Citadel DLC (ME3)


Origin is heavily hated not because of technical errors, but because it is a form of spyware. The common complaint is that it scans your hard drive.
 
2013-03-07 07:43:04 PM  

Smelly McUgly: Tax Boy: CraicBaby: Steam is having a "CIty Sims That Work Offline" Sale.

[i.imgur.com image 850x544]

I am not seeing this when I log into steam, which is a shame as I have wanted to give Tropico a run forever. I mean, sure, I was planning to get into Warhammer this weekend and play some more Alien Crossfire, but Tropico 3 for three bucks and change sounds great!

Maybe it's a good thing that I can't see this screen when I log in.


It is a photoshop. Good old games however, did actually tweet that they were selling sim city 2000 drm free as soon as they heard about EA server problems.
 
2013-03-07 07:43:14 PM  

Fluorescent Testicle: Smelly McUgly: I am not seeing this when I log into steam, which is a shame as I have wanted to give Tropico a run forever. I mean, sure, I was planning to get into Warhammer this weekend and play some more Alien Crossfire, but Tropico 3 for three bucks and change sounds great!

He's trolling, it's a 'shop.


I know. Someone had a font-matching issue in making that 'shop. But I was hoping for this poster answering with "put in the Konami code and it pops up" or some such answer. :)
 
2013-03-07 07:43:30 PM  

skinink: "/Wondering whether we'll get the "It can't be my machine because it's new!", "Arkham City is the only game that's ever crashed for me ever in my entire life!", or the "I don't care if it's my machine that's the problem, I bought it from Steam so it's their responsibility to fix it" response."
No here's the response. You're a twat. You (all) project that I'm some kind of jerk to them on the phone (tickets can be submitted for issues online) or project that I screwed up, not the game. Though there are threads after threads of others having issues. I know because I looked up everything online before contacting Steam Support. And even after I tried their solutions, nothing worked. Though their other games I've purchased from Steam work. So after the purchases I've made, they can't give a a small credit? Then you project that I was the one who screwed up, and not the game that has issues?

A lot of you guys don't have a clue what you're talking about.


Make up your mind, was it the game or was it Steam?  If it was Steam that was causing the problem, you might have a legitimate gripe.  However, I'm putting money on it being an issue with the game and your configuration (which happens...not every game runs on every system, even when you meet the requirements), which means that you're a whiny biatch with an overdeveloped sense of entitlement for expecting Steam to be different from every other software retailer in existence and give you a refund.

A simple scenario.  Someone buys a game.  It works for a bit, then stops.  They troubleshoot the game, but can't get it to work with their system.  The retailer that sells the game says, "Sorry, no refunds."

Your reaction: "Steam wont counter their own policies, which happen to be the industry standard, and give me a refund, therefore Steam is the worstest!"
A mature adult reaction: "It's not Steam's fault this game doesn't work, perhaps I should contact the people who actually make the game and see what they might be able to do for me."

Get the fark over yourself and stop blaming Steam because they wouldn't capitulate to your whiny demands that should have been directed to Rocksteady and/or WB Interactive in the first place.  We "projected" that you were a jerk because you came in here and posted like a farking jerk.  Jerk.
 
2013-03-07 07:44:46 PM  

Smelly McUgly: Tax Boy: CraicBaby: Steam is having a "CIty Sims That Work Offline" Sale.

[i.imgur.com image 850x544]

I am not seeing this when I log into steam, which is a shame as I have wanted to give Tropico a run forever. I mean, sure, I was planning to get into Warhammer this weekend and play some more Alien Crossfire, but Tropico 3 for three bucks and change sounds great!

Maybe it's a good thing that I can't see this screen when I log in.


I won a copy of Tropico 1, 2 & 3 and one of the expansion packs from Steam in their Winter Sale last year. Still haven't played them because I don't find micromanagement sims all that fun.

/should have traded them on the forums instead of activating them. Oh well.
//CSB
 
2013-03-07 07:47:16 PM  
I'm installing patches right now.

I don't get it.  How come I download the game, then it has to patch?  Why not give me the latest release?

/This machine kind of sucks, so I'm not keeping my hopes up.  New one is on its way.
 
2013-03-07 07:48:25 PM  

cman: This About That: The acronym "EA", when printed on a software package, is really a new rating symbol. It means "DRM gone nuts".

What would you have them do? Not try at all? These companies have been affected by piracy and they are fighting back.

Yeah, it does suck, and yes, there will be some troubles; but you really cannot blame them for trying extreme actions.


Too outlandish an opinion even for a troll.

I live with my mom
 
2013-03-07 07:59:05 PM  
I literally haven't played a video game in like 2 years. I was aware of the trouble SimCity was going through in their initial days of launch. Despite this, I purchased the game yesterday. I didn't understand the full scope of "it just doesn't work". I couldn't even imagine it being this ridiculous. I'm not going to go on the argument of "it requires internet connection" and complain. I was fully aware of that. I DO have a stable internet connection. I DO have a computer capable of running the software.

They sell a product at 59.99 that simply doesn't work. That's a BIG problem. I'm talking class-action lawsuit type problem. Anyone here of the recent Microsoft news story where they are being fined about 732 million dollars for making Internet Explorer the default web browser, without giving you a choice in the matter? This makes that look like a cakewalk. Guess what? Anyone with 2 brain cells and 5-10 minutes to spare can download any damn browser they want, and hence, get the workaround.

There is no "work-around" for this. I purchased a product. The product doesn't work. I have no alternative methods to "work-around" the situation. For all of you that downplay this, it is sickening. I'm not a grandstander on stuff like this, honestly. I'm not some super-anti Electronic Arts person spouting off here. I'm not an avid gamer. This is about consumer protection. They are selling a non-working product. Plain and simple.

Let's estimate that 1 million units were sold at $60. That's 60 MILLION dollars of revenue for a product that doesn't deliver. They need to assume responsibility for this. In the words of the Jerky Boys "This is no way to do business my friend". Pony up with some serious servers before you release. Don't penny pinch. Don't treat your customers like THEY are the assholes. Because I promise EA this: pretty soon you won't have ANY customers.

Basically, you took 60 bucks out of my wallet, and told me to piss up a rope. I'm pissed.
 
2013-03-07 08:00:47 PM  
I enjoy the suffering of gamers and their enablers.
 
2013-03-07 08:01:07 PM  
bwahaha, "server busy.  Next attempt to join: 20 minutes"
This is like AOL
 
2013-03-07 08:02:06 PM  

Yuri Futanari: germ78: CraicBaby: Steam is having a "CIty Sims That Work Offline" Sale.

Where have you seen that? I keep looking all over the steam store for it (I want to share it with a friend who was interested in Cities XL) but keep coming up emptyhanded. And I've seen the screengrabs for it, so I know it exists.

You have to refresh the steam main page a few times, with the proper timing.  It's like an easter egg.


I found it. I wasn't letting the 20 minute timer count down all the way before refreshing.
 
2013-03-07 08:05:14 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: I enjoy the suffering of gamers and their enablers.


I can understand that, and can even find it mildly funny.

Basically with SimCity though, if you're going to play any video game and label it mildly-educational, this would be the one. I've always had an affinity for civil engineering and urban planning, so naturally I was looking forward to this. It's the one damn video game I had any desire to play in a long time. Not fun paying hard earned money for a whole lot of nothing.

This is beyond the "instantaneous gratification" whining too. I can understand them having kinks to work out. I can understand them needing to beef up their servers. From the feedback I've seen, this eclipses that by a large margin.
 
2013-03-07 08:05:36 PM  
I've tried at least 10 times a day for the last 3 days. Bought the DVD. Still doesn't work due to "Unable to contact server" problems.
 
2013-03-07 08:06:05 PM  
All that said... I'm kinda pissed off I missed the 75% off Civ 5 sale they had the other day on steam.
 
2013-03-07 08:07:00 PM  

Banana$$$Stand: Smelly McUgly: Tax Boy: CraicBaby: Steam is having a "CIty Sims That Work Offline" Sale.

[i.imgur.com image 850x544]

I am not seeing this when I log into steam, which is a shame as I have wanted to give Tropico a run forever. I mean, sure, I was planning to get into Warhammer this weekend and play some more Alien Crossfire, but Tropico 3 for three bucks and change sounds great!

Maybe it's a good thing that I can't see this screen when I log in.

It is a photoshop. Good old games however, did actually tweet that they were selling sim city 2000 drm free as soon as they heard about EA server problems.


Q: Being the special edition, is this the version of SimCity which has pre-built versions of real cities? I have the Windows 95 disc lying around somewhere anyways, but was just curious.
 
2013-03-07 08:12:20 PM  

eddievercetti: [i.imgur.com image 600x800]


Need to update that with a few more asterisks.
"By 'DLC', we mean bug fixes..."
 
2013-03-07 08:13:31 PM  

germ78: All that said... I'm kinda pissed off I missed the 75% off Civ 5 sale they had the other day on steam.


Useful feature is to add it to your wishlist, and you get an email from Steam when it goes on sale.
 
2013-03-07 08:16:12 PM  
To all the shills that parrot the tired shiat stained excuse of "EA is doing it because they HAVE to to stay in business due to the evil nasty nasty pirates"
Riddle me this Sherlock, how is it that CDPROJEKT is still in business?
They did what EA said is absolute suicide, unthinkable, unworkable, can't ever happen, death sentence to their company. They released a triple A title with NO DRM AT ALL. They are about to release the third game in the series.
As has been said, pirates won't ever buy your shiatty product. All you are doing by putting these obsessive, and in the end run, ineffective measures is pissing off your customers.
Well, not totally true, you are also teaching them to pirate. See what happened with Spore.
But, that chicken won't fark itself now will it.
 
2013-03-07 08:23:38 PM  
You know, I was just thinking of playing through Arkham City again before I realized the new Sim City was out.  I guess I'll go do that since this thing won't freaking load.
 
2013-03-07 08:24:06 PM  

Luse: To all the shills that parrot the tired shiat stained excuse of "EA is doing it because they HAVE to to stay in business due to the evil nasty nasty pirates"
Riddle me this Sherlock, how is it that CDPROJEKT is still in business?
They did what EA said is absolute suicide, unthinkable, unworkable, can't ever happen, death sentence to their company. They released a triple A title with NO DRM AT ALL. They are about to release the third game in the series.
As has been said, pirates won't ever buy your shiatty product. All you are doing by putting these obsessive, and in the end run, ineffective measures is pissing off your customers.
Well, not totally true, you are also teaching them to pirate. See what happened with Spore.
But, that chicken won't fark itself now will it.


Oh pft.  Everybody knows that software piracy totally killed...um...er...hold on...give me a few minutes, and I know I can totally come up with a software development house or publisher that was driven out of business by piracy.

/Definitely looking forward to The Witcher 3.
 
2013-03-07 08:27:18 PM  

The WindowLicker: It takes a large investment of time and resources to produce most top tier games these days.  The game-play quality aside, the amount of skilled labor and production hours that go into them is vast.  A company has to make their costs back in sales or they go out of business.  They can't afford the loss of potential.  If you pirate their game, you are reducing the revenue they need to pay the programmers and designers for making the title.  It is not a loss of potential, it is use of a produced good without reimbursing the manufacturer.


And that is completely farking irrelevant.  They're going to make the same amount of sales with or without piracy, though I would argue more without for this one (anecdotal, but I don't care) reason:  I don't keep up with gaming news; I've been out of it for quite a while mainly due to the contempt I have for the industry in general for reasons just like this one.  Despite that, in just this last week I was playing Simcity on my SNES emulator and remembered how much I enjoyed it.  That got me to thinking that maybe I should pick up the newest version the next time a new one comes around.  Lo-and-behold, here comes a brand new version of Simcity!  Awesome, just what I was hankering for!  Except then I see that they are pulling this same tired DRM bullshiat.  And because of that, I will not buy this game, ever.  There is absolutely nothing they can do, no offer they can make, that will convince me to give them a single penny for this game.  But I will pirate it the first chance I get.  And not because I feel like I'm entitled to something for free; I would have been perfectly willing to pay for the game IF it had been offered in an honest and upfront manner.  Instead they hold it out with one hand while clutching a knife behind their back with the other.  And if that's the way they want to be, fine.  If they want to treat me like a criminal then I will be more than happy to oblige.
 
2013-03-07 08:28:28 PM  
This is such a damn shame. After years of that "Sims" BS we finally get back to Sim City and... they completely monkey it up.
 
2013-03-07 08:32:05 PM  
There's always LinCity. DRM free!
i1-linux.softpedia-static.com
 
2013-03-07 08:33:48 PM  

Luse: To all the shills that parrot the tired shiat stained excuse of "EA is doing it because they HAVE to to stay in business due to the evil nasty nasty pirates"
Riddle me this Sherlock, how is it that CDPROJEKT is still in business?
They did what EA said is absolute suicide, unthinkable, unworkable, can't ever happen, death sentence to their company. They released a triple A title with NO DRM AT ALL. They are about to release the third game in the series.


What game is that?
I only know they as the good old games guys.  Selling old games that somebody else developed arguably has a much lower cost than developing a new one.
 
2013-03-07 08:38:55 PM  

serial_crusher: Luse: To all the shills that parrot the tired shiat stained excuse of "EA is doing it because they HAVE to to stay in business due to the evil nasty nasty pirates"
Riddle me this Sherlock, how is it that CDPROJEKT is still in business?
They did what EA said is absolute suicide, unthinkable, unworkable, can't ever happen, death sentence to their company. They released a triple A title with NO DRM AT ALL. They are about to release the third game in the series.

What game is that?
I only know they as the good old games guys.  Selling old games that somebody else developed arguably has a much lower cost than developing a new one.


CDPROJEKT does The Witcher games.
 
2013-03-07 08:41:48 PM  

Counter_Intelligent: CraicBaby: Steam is having a "CIty Sims That Work Offline" Sale.

Nope.


I don't see it either.  Ometra - City of Gangsters doesn't count.


germ78: I'm kinda pissed off I missed the 75% off Civ 5 sale they had the other day on steam.


Wait.  They've had a number of fire sales for Civ5.
 
2013-03-07 08:44:38 PM  

jayhawk88: BumpInTheNight: Scruffinator: I don't know why I even bother with video game threads on here anymore.  Somebody mentions steam, I go check the store, now I just dropped 18 bucks on a game I bought ages ago and lost the disk to, probably for full price at the time, but oh it's in HD now but still doesn't come out for another month+, and I don't even have time to play the games I already bought during holiday sales that I've never played before.

I need to take, like, a month vacation.

You saw age of empires as well eh?

I didn't so much see it as I slipped into a euphoric dream state. The only way that news could have been better is if it was delivered by a naked Kate Upton.


Yeah, that song brought back some great memories.  4 v 4 lan parties lasting for hours.  Maps stripped of resources.  Armies so big just moving them slowed the game down.
 
2013-03-07 08:45:15 PM  

serial_crusher: Luse: To all the shills that parrot the tired shiat stained excuse of "EA is doing it because they HAVE to to stay in business due to the evil nasty nasty pirates"
Riddle me this Sherlock, how is it that CDPROJEKT is still in business?
They did what EA said is absolute suicide, unthinkable, unworkable, can't ever happen, death sentence to their company. They released a triple A title with NO DRM AT ALL. They are about to release the third game in the series.

What game is that?
I only know they as the good old games guys.  Selling old games that somebody else developed arguably has a much lower cost than developing a new one.


The Witcher series.
I think your confusion comes from the fact that they were the first company to launch a major title (Witcher 2) on GOG.com.
 
2013-03-07 08:45:42 PM  

I created this alt just for this thread: Make up your mind, was it the game or was it Steam? If it was Steam that was causing the problem, you might have a legitimate gripe. However, I'm putting money on it being an issue with the game and your configuration (which happens...not every game runs on every system, even when you meet the requirements), which means that you're a whiny biatch with an overdeveloped sense of entitlement for expecting Steam to be different from every other software retailer in existence and give you a refund.

A simple scenario. Someone buys a game. It works for a bit, then stops. They troubleshoot the game, but can't get it to work with their system. The retailer that sells the game says, "Sorry, no refunds."

Your reaction: "Steam wont counter their own policies, which happen to be the industry standard, and give me a refund, therefore Steam is the worstest!"
A mature adult reaction: "It's not Steam's fault this game doesn't work, perhaps I should contact the people who actually make the game and see what they might be able to do for me."

Get the fark over yourself and stop blaming Steam because they wouldn't capitulate to your whiny demands that should have been directed to Rocksteady and/or WB Interactive in the first place. We "projected" that you were a jerk because you came in here and posted like a farking jerk. Jerk.


wait, you're arguing that a retailer shouldn't give a refund on a defective product? I've seen some fanboi in my day, but this takes the cake
 
2013-03-07 08:47:06 PM  

germ78: CraicBaby: Steam is having a "CIty Sims That Work Offline" Sale.

Where have you seen that? I keep looking all over the steam store for it (I want to share it with a friend who was interested in Cities XL) but keep coming up emptyhanded. And I've seen the screengrabs for it, so I know it exists.


sportsillustrated.cnn.com

Here's a pic of the original
 
2013-03-07 08:47:14 PM  

Luse: To all the shills that parrot the tired shiat stained excuse of "EA is doing it because they HAVE to to stay in business due to the evil nasty nasty pirates"
Riddle me this Sherlock, how is it that CDPROJEKT is still in business?
They did what EA said is absolute suicide, unthinkable, unworkable, can't ever happen, death sentence to their company. They released a triple A title with NO DRM AT ALL. They are about to release the third game in the series.


Ironclad games did the same thing with Sins of a Solar Empire and i believe it was even more popular. First version i played wasn't paid for, then i went and bought it. LOTS of people do that, and big game companies just refuse to accept anything positive can come from pirating at all. There are those freeloaders who just pirate everything and go years without paying a cent for anything, but i don't think it's as common as many think. An avid gamer these days does both, even if very few admit it in public.

I still think a lot of the people who say "Oh, you put DRM on this, so i'm going to pirate it. That'll show you" wouldn't have bought it anyway. I don't think they're fooling anyone. Just one of the few times when they can justify their pirating.
 
2013-03-07 08:52:21 PM  

skinink: CraicBaby: Steam is having a "CIty Sims That Work Offline" Sale.

Fark Steam. I bought "Batman - Arkham City" through them and the game crashes to the point where I can't play the game anymore (only finished 9% of it). Asked them for a refund or a credit and they would give neither. To top it off, it's only $8 they would have to credit me. I'm not buying any games that have to go through Steam, if it means I never play another game again. And that includes any new Portal or Half Life games.


Steam is a distribution service- they provide access to a game, but (normally) they don't provide support. If the game is crashing or otherwise not working you need to contact the developer/publisher/whomever is actually supposed to handle that.

The analog would be if you had software problems and demanded that Wal-Mart help you fix your computer. Since it's almost certainly a game issue, (not a distribution issue)  you would have the same problems with a disc you bought at a brick and mortar store, and they most certainly would not give you money back (or credit) for opened software.
 
2013-03-07 08:56:14 PM  

Fubini: The analog would be if you had software problems and demanded that Wal-Mart help you fix your computer. Since it's almost certainly a game issue, (not a distribution issue) you would have the same problems with a disc you bought at a brick and mortar store, and they most certainly would not give you money back (or credit) for opened software.


what? since when? from walmarts website:

Pre-recorded movies, music, and computer/video game software and circuit cartridges must be returned within  90 days in the original and unopened packaging with a receipt to receive a refund or exchange. If the above-referenced items are defective, they can be returned within  90 days with a receipt and the original packaging. Defective units may be exchanged for another unit of the same title.Defective pre-owned (refurbished) video game software can be returned within  90 days with a receipt and the original packaging. Defective units may be exchanged for another unit of a different title if original title is not availableif i go into a walmart within 90 days with something i bought and say "this doesn't work" they don't try and install it on a basic machine and see if it works, they give me my money back...
 
2013-03-07 08:56:22 PM  
I'm going to commit what I consider a bit of a crime and plug my own blog to express my feelings on the matter.  http://brutallyhonestblogging.com/post/44798281663/the-new-simcity-is - pretty-much-a-scam#_=_

/consider this a non-shameless plug
 
2013-03-07 08:58:02 PM  

tlchwi02: wait, you're arguing that a retailer shouldn't give a refund on a defective product? I've seen some fanboi in my day, but this takes the cake


Retailers, digital or not, have never given refunds on opened/used software. They can replace physical media, like if an installation disc is physically broken, but they won't give you money back or store credit. This is how software has always worked, and it goes back to the fact that you license software instead of actually owning it.

Back in the old days a lot of game publishers would actually print refund instructions in the manual, because as the licensor they were the only ones with the legal authority to do so. I never tried it though, so I don't know if they actually would or not.

Steam will happily provide you with as many digital copies of the software as you'd want, but they can't change the terms of the license between you and the publisher/developer after you've agreed to the EULA.
 
2013-03-07 09:00:17 PM  

tlchwi02: Pre-recorded movies, music, and computer/video game software and circuit cartridges must be returned within  90 days in the original and unopened packaging with a receipt to receive a refund or exchange. If the above-referenced items are defective, they can be returned within  90 days with a receipt and the original packaging. Defective units may be exchanged for another unit of the same title.Defective pre-owned (refurbished) video game software can be returned within  90 days with a receipt and the original packaging. Defective units may be exchanged for another unit of a different title if original title is not availableif i go into a walmart within 90 days with something i bought and say "this doesn't work" they don't try and install it on a basic machine and see if it works, they give me my money back...


You have failed to read your own quotation, and therefore I declare you a troll. By the exact passage you have quoted, the only way you get money back is if you return the item in the original and  unopened package. If the item is opened but defective, they will give you a replacement.

Defective units may be exchanged for another unit of the same title.
 
rpm
2013-03-07 09:01:12 PM  

Luse: To all the shills that parrot the tired shiat stained excuse of "EA is doing it because they HAVE to to stay in business due to the evil nasty nasty pirates"
Riddle me this Sherlock, how is it that CDPROJEKT is still in business?
They did what EA said is absolute suicide, unthinkable, unworkable, can't ever happen, death sentence to their company. They released a triple A title with NO DRM AT ALL. They are about to release the third game in the series.


You forgot something.

They actually released that title two different ways. One without DRM, one with DRM. The one pirated the most is the one with DRM.
 
2013-03-07 09:01:38 PM  
i1321.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-07 09:02:06 PM  

Fubini: Retailers, digital or not, have never given refunds on opened/used software. They can replace physical media, like if an installation disc is physically broken, but they won't give you money back or store credit. This is how software has always worked, and it goes back to the fact that you license software instead of actually owning it.


i have returned opened software to best buy on more than one occasion when it did not work. they gave me store credit. i posted walmarts return policy in software above and they say within 90 days they will accept returns on software, even if opened, as long as you tell them it wont work (is defective)
 
2013-03-07 09:04:17 PM  

rpm: Luse: To all the shills that parrot the tired shiat stained excuse of "EA is doing it because they HAVE to to stay in business due to the evil nasty nasty pirates"
Riddle me this Sherlock, how is it that CDPROJEKT is still in business?
They did what EA said is absolute suicide, unthinkable, unworkable, can't ever happen, death sentence to their company. They released a triple A title with NO DRM AT ALL. They are about to release the third game in the series.

You forgot something.

They actually released that title two different ways. One without DRM, one with DRM. The one pirated the most is the one with DRM.


Not entirely correct.
They released the crack on their own website on launch, because they didn't want to upset their other customers. How's that for a lesson on how to treat your customers?
 
2013-03-07 09:09:03 PM  

cman: These companies have been affected by piracy and they are fighting back.


EA has been dealing with software piracy since their logo looked like this:
upload.wikimedia.org
They should know by this point that anti-piracy schemes never work well.
 
2013-03-07 09:11:17 PM  

tlchwi02: Fubini: Retailers, digital or not, have never given refunds on opened/used software. They can replace physical media, like if an installation disc is physically broken, but they won't give you money back or store credit. This is how software has always worked, and it goes back to the fact that you license software instead of actually owning it.

i have returned opened software to best buy on more than one occasion when it did not work. they gave me store credit. i posted walmarts return policy in software above and they say within 90 days they will accept returns on software, even if opened, as long as you tell them it wont work (is defective)


When it comes to software, "doesn't work" ≠ "defective".  Just because the wage-slaves at WalMart don't understand that, doesn't mean that no one else does.

The best analogy for the poster that started this whole kerfluffle would be buying a DVD in Pal format at WalMart, discovering you couldn't play it on your NTSC player, then refusing to ever shop at WalMart again when they refused to refund you for your opened, and functional, DVD.
 
2013-03-07 09:12:23 PM  

Teufelaffe: Luse: To all the shills that parrot the tired shiat stained excuse of "EA is doing it because they HAVE to to stay in business due to the evil nasty nasty pirates"
Riddle me this Sherlock, how is it that CDPROJEKT is still in business?
They did what EA said is absolute suicide, unthinkable, unworkable, can't ever happen, death sentence to their company. They released a triple A title with NO DRM AT ALL. They are about to release the third game in the series.
As has been said, pirates won't ever buy your shiatty product. All you are doing by putting these obsessive, and in the end run, ineffective measures is pissing off your customers.
Well, not totally true, you are also teaching them to pirate. See what happened with Spore.
But, that chicken won't fark itself now will it.

Oh pft.  Everybody knows that software piracy totally killed...um...er...hold on...give me a few minutes, and I know I can totally come up with a software development house or publisher that was driven out of business by piracy.

/Definitely looking forward to The Witcher 3.


That and their take on Cyberpunk 20-whatever
 
2013-03-07 09:12:30 PM  
The idea of paying sixty bucks for a product that won't even work in a few years is insane. Does anyone really think the servers are going to authorize you to be able to play this in four years? The older Sim Cities, on the other hand, I can still play...and often do. This will be the first version I haven't bought. Good job, EA.

In your attempt to keep some thief from getting something they wouldn't pay for, you've made this customer, who is always happy to shell out the cash, unwilling to buy your product. Good job guys.

It's your right to be an a$$hat. Free market and all that. It's also my right to say I won't pay for this crap.
 
2013-03-07 09:13:54 PM  

Luse: To all the shills that parrot the tired shiat stained excuse of "EA is doing it because they HAVE to to stay in business due to the evil nasty nasty pirates"
Riddle me this Sherlock, how is it that CDPROJEKT is still in business?
They did what EA said is absolute suicide, unthinkable, unworkable, can't ever happen, death sentence to their company. They released a triple A title with NO DRM AT ALL. They are about to release the third game in the series.
As has been said, pirates won't ever buy your shiatty product. All you are doing by putting these obsessive, and in the end run, ineffective measures is pissing off your customers.
Well, not totally true, you are also teaching them to pirate. See what happened with Spore.
But, that chicken won't fark itself now will it.


Witcher wins because boobies.
 
2013-03-07 09:15:47 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: Luse: To all the shills that parrot the tired shiat stained excuse of "EA is doing it because they HAVE to to stay in business due to the evil nasty nasty pirates"
Riddle me this Sherlock, how is it that CDPROJEKT is still in business?
They did what EA said is absolute suicide, unthinkable, unworkable, can't ever happen, death sentence to their company. They released a triple A title with NO DRM AT ALL. They are about to release the third game in the series.

Ironclad games did the same thing with Sins of a Solar Empire and i believe it was even more popular. First version i played wasn't paid for, then i went and bought it. LOTS of people do that, and big game companies just refuse to accept anything positive can come from pirating at all. There are those freeloaders who just pirate everything and go years without paying a cent for anything, but i don't think it's as common as many think. An avid gamer these days does both, even if very few admit it in public.

I still think a lot of the people who say "Oh, you put DRM on this, so i'm going to pirate it. That'll show you" wouldn't have bought it anyway. I don't think they're fooling anyone. Just one of the few times when they can justify their pirating.


Actually, you can count me in as one who is seriously thinking of pirating it, who wasn't before. Most off the digital content on my hard disk is legit, purchased from iTunes, Steam, Kindle, etc. The industry has finally figured out that people will buy their digital releases, if you are fair with them. The worst I will do is watch music videos and TV episodes from YouTube.

However, in SimCity's case, EA has seriously dropped the ball. I don't even mind the "always on DRM" thing, my internet connection is fairly reliable. But this utter lack of respect for the customers with this DRM server fiasco is simply unacceptable. We are going on three days with little to no progress, and nothing to compensate the consumer. As soon as the security has been hacked and I figure out how to use BitTorrent, it is mine.
 
2013-03-07 09:17:27 PM  

Luse: They did what EA said is absolute suicide, unthinkable, unworkable, can't ever happen, death sentence to their company. They released a triple A title with NO DRM AT ALL. They are about to release the third game in the series.


The truly insane thing is that DRM itself doesn't have to be terrible - Steam (in cases where it's the DRM and not just the distribution service, I mean, like Portal 2 and Skyrim), for instance. I know that other Farkers disagree, but I've never had a negative experience with it, and it comes with a bonus modding community and occasionally free DLC. That's the sort of DRM I can live with.

EA, though? EA is the anti-Valve. Their black hole of Olympic-level failure has lost them what was otherwise going to be a very solid sale from a life-long SimCity fan. Good work, retards.
 
2013-03-07 09:21:12 PM  

eddievercetti: [i.imgur.com image 600x800]


Technically speaking, Arcos are back as a great works in SimCity (2013).
 
2013-03-07 09:21:33 PM  

eddievercetti: [i.imgur.com image 600x800]


Is it sad that I've been playing this game, on and off, for twenty years, and yet I still love it just as much as the first time I played it?

Smelly McUgly: I know. Someone had a font-matching issue in making that 'shop. But I was hoping for this poster answering with "put in the Konami code and it pops up" or some such answer. :)


Ah, my bad. A lot of people seem to be falling for that one, is all. :)
 
2013-03-07 09:22:13 PM  

LesserEvil: Many who did NOT buy this might have bought it, regardless of the availability of pirate versions of it or not, but chose not to because of the onerous always-connected DRM.


I would absolutely, 100%, buy this game if it did not require any internet connection to play. I have every previous SimCity game, after all. I can fire up SC2K, 20 years old, and run it with no problems whatsoever. But I will not be beholden to an authentication server that will not exist 20 years from now.
 
2013-03-07 09:27:38 PM  

Counter_Intelligent: That and their take on Cyberpunk 20-whatever


what what whaaaat?
 
2013-03-07 09:28:48 PM  

chaoswolf: Counter_Intelligent: That and their take on Cyberpunk 20-whatever

what what whaaaat?


Yup. The tabletop RPG.
 
2013-03-07 09:28:59 PM  

chaoswolf: Counter_Intelligent: That and their take on Cyberpunk 20-whatever

what what whaaaat?


found it.
 
2013-03-07 09:29:03 PM  

chaoswolf: Counter_Intelligent: That and their take on Cyberpunk 20-whatever

what what whaaaat?


Cyberpunk 2077
 
2013-03-07 09:29:12 PM  
I have a different take on piracy of this game especially.

1.  If I get a pirated copy of this game, I would play it so often that I wouldn't be pirating other games, music, movies and TV... so this would actually slow down piracy.

2.  After playing it for so many hours, I would want to tell everyone how great of a game it was.  I'd be embarrassed to say that I had a pirated copy of it, so I would inspire others to go and buy it.  They should consider me a marketing tool.

Maybe I can charge them for all the business I would drum up.

//just kidding
 
2013-03-07 09:32:26 PM  
Oh wow.... maybe there IS a game I'll be paying full price for after all... I enjoyed both Witchers and really dug the old tabletop Cyberpunk.
 
2013-03-07 09:33:37 PM  
Unfortunately, looks like Amazon has started selling it again.

Almost 1k 1-star reviews.  Lol
 
2013-03-07 09:34:07 PM  

Fluorescent Testicle: Luse: They did what EA said is absolute suicide, unthinkable, unworkable, can't ever happen, death sentence to their company. They released a triple A title with NO DRM AT ALL. They are about to release the third game in the series.

The truly insane thing is that DRM itself doesn't have to be terrible - Steam (in cases where it's the DRM and not just the distribution service, I mean, like Portal 2 and Skyrim), for instance. I know that other Farkers disagree, but I've never had a negative experience with it, and it comes with a bonus modding community and occasionally free DLC. That's the sort of DRM I can live with.

EA, though? EA is the anti-Valve. Their black hole of Olympic-level failure has lost them what was otherwise going to be a very solid sale from a life-long SimCity fan. Good work, retards.


The difference is goodwill. I use Steam and I like the service. Yes, it's DRM, and that makes me twitch, but it also patches my games, updates my drivers and lets me buy good games I've skipped in the past for dirt cheap with sales. The difference is with Steam, I'll buy your product once it's cheap enough. I'll pay original retail on anything CDPROJECT puts out. They've shown consistent quality, and more importantly, a respect for their customer base. (Sins of the Solar is simply not my type of game, otherwise they'd have my money too)

EA can EABOD. They won't see a dime from me. Mostly because they like shiatting on their customers, but also because their products are fundamentally broken for me. I travel too much. I use single player games to entertain myself on long flights, which I can't do with any new EA product.
I will walk into my favorite bar and buy everyone a round the day I hear EA has filed for bankruptcy.
 
2013-03-07 09:35:14 PM  
Oh man I can't wait to not play this game. The game is forced online? Why? Sim City has always been primarily a single player game. Well, now you have to play multiplayer with strangers who can have a significant influence on your city even if they don't care about you, which they won't. Wonderful. Oh and your save files are kept on EA's servers? Enjoy EA shutting down those servers in a few years making it impossible to play the game. A big part of Sim City 4 was it's modability. EA claims they plan on adding mods into the new Sim City, but they can't possibly because it's a forced multiplayer game and that would unbalance play. Thanks for the lies EA. They added curved roads, but unfortunately the size of the cities are about half the size of maps in Sim City 2000 so curved roads take up far too much space to be useful. Oh, and if you get a random cliff in the middle of your city you can't get rid of it because you can't terraform anymore. Now your city is even smaller. It was fun to make huge regional transportation networks in Sim City 4, but thankfully EA got rid of that. Now there's just automatically a highway outside your city. They've also removed the other enjoyable transit modes like subways, rail, ferries, and airports. Don't worry, I'm sure there will be overpriced DLC that will add that stuff in. Enjoy not having farms or control over density too.

Hey everyone who bought Sim City 5. You're farking stupid. All you had to do to realize this game was shiat was to look at it for five farking seconds. That's it. Anyone with a brain could realize that this game was going to be awful. Yet you bought it anyway. I hope you get your money back, but stop buying video games because you're awful at it and you're ruining the industry for people who actually enjoy video games. If I'm buying something for over $25 I'm actually going to do some research to make sure it doesn't suck. You idiots are like pigeons in a conditioning experiment. Yeah, pushing the green button use to give you good games, but now it's giving you electric shocks. Maybe stop pushing it.
 
2013-03-07 09:38:27 PM  

Luse: The difference is goodwill. I use Steam and I like the service. Yes, it's DRM, and that makes me twitch, but it also patches my games, updates my drivers and lets me buy good games I've skipped in the past for dirt cheap with sales. The difference is with Steam, I'll buy your product once it's cheap enough. I'll pay original retail on anything CDPROJECT puts out. They've shown consistent quality, and more importantly, a respect for their customer base. (Sins of the Solar is simply not my type of game, otherwise they'd have my money too)

EA can EABOD. They won't see a dime from me. Mostly because they like shiatting on their customers, but also because their products are fundamentally broken for me. I travel too much. I use single player games to entertain myself on long flights, which I can't do with any new EA product. I will walk into my favorite bar and buy everyone a round the day I hear EA has filed for bankruptcy.


Agreed entirely, up to and including the round. I was giving them one last chance just because I enjoy SimCity so much, but they blew it.
 
2013-03-07 09:42:42 PM  

Foxxinnia: Hey everyone who bought Sim City 5. You're farking stupid. All you had to do to realize this game was shiat was to look at it for five farking seconds. That's it. Anyone with a brain could realize that this game was going to be awful. Yet you bought it anyway.


For the record (not directed at you), I did wait to see the reviews before purchasing, so at least I'm not out any money, I'm just annoyed. :P
 
2013-03-07 09:44:45 PM  

Fubini: skinink: CraicBaby: Steam is having a "CIty Sims That Work Offline" Sale.

Fark Steam. I bought "Batman - Arkham City" through them and the game crashes to the point where I can't play the game anymore (only finished 9% of it). Asked them for a refund or a credit and they would give neither. To top it off, it's only $8 they would have to credit me. I'm not buying any games that have to go through Steam, if it means I never play another game again. And that includes any new Portal or Half Life games.

Steam is a distribution service- they provide access to a game, but (normally) they don't provide support. If the game is crashing or otherwise not working you need to contact the developer/publisher/whomever is actually supposed to handle that.

The analog would be if you had software problems and demanded that Wal-Mart help you fix your computer. Since it's almost certainly a game issue, (not a distribution issue)  you would have the same problems with a disc you bought at a brick and mortar store, and they most certainly would not give you money back (or credit) for opened software.


Walmart sold the software so if I'm having problems with it, Walmart is the point of contact. And I wasn't demanding that Steam fix my computer. I simply told them the game isn't working and I needed help. Isn't there an EA thread up above showing that the SIMs game is farked, regardless of the PC it runs on? I can't understand why it's my fault. You guys act like games are sold without flaws and the consumer is always wrong.

And Steam sold me the game. They need to support it, like they do with other games on their boards. But if it's not resolved and I lose money on a game I can't play then I pick the option of not buying games from Steam. Everyone wins out. Steam doesn't back the game they sold me and keeps the money for the game I can't play, and I don't lose any more money on Steam games.
 
2013-03-07 09:49:48 PM  
Man, I bought this game so I could play my games while my wife plays simcity. They're screwing with my plan to play more halo! I need to find that reciept...
 
2013-03-07 09:50:29 PM  

skinink: And Steam sold me the game. They need to support it, like they do with other games on their boards. But if it's not resolved and I lose money on a game I can't play then I pick the option of not buying games from Steam. Everyone wins out. Steam doesn't back the game they sold me and keeps the money for the game I can't play, and I don't lose any more money on Steam games.


Instead of demanding that they refund you, have you tried just describing the problem and asking if they have any ideas, or even just asking on the forums? Nicely?
 
2013-03-07 09:55:22 PM  

meat0918: BumpInTheNight: Scruffinator: I don't know why I even bother with video game threads on here anymore.  Somebody mentions steam, I go check the store, now I just dropped 18 bucks on a game I bought ages ago and lost the disk to, probably for full price at the time, but oh it's in HD now but still doesn't come out for another month+, and I don't even have time to play the games I already bought during holiday sales that I've never played before.

I need to take, like, a month vacation.

You saw age of empires as well eh?

Oh no...


Oh yes.

/was playing AoE couple days ago on my 47" HDTV dreaming about such a thing.
 
2013-03-07 10:01:30 PM  

Mike_LowELL: Seriously, it's a freakin' Sim City game.  Were people really anticipating this?


EA should have been.  They saw how many people were pre-ordering it, after all.
 
2013-03-07 10:11:11 PM  

skinink: Fubini: skinink: CraicBaby: Steam is having a "CIty Sims That Work Offline" Sale.

Fark Steam. I bought "Batman - Arkham City" through them and the game crashes to the point where I can't play the game anymore (only finished 9% of it). Asked them for a refund or a credit and they would give neither. To top it off, it's only $8 they would have to credit me. I'm not buying any games that have to go through Steam, if it means I never play another game again. And that includes any new Portal or Half Life games.

Steam is a distribution service- they provide access to a game, but (normally) they don't provide support. If the game is crashing or otherwise not working you need to contact the developer/publisher/whomever is actually supposed to handle that.

The analog would be if you had software problems and demanded that Wal-Mart help you fix your computer. Since it's almost certainly a game issue, (not a distribution issue)  you would have the same problems with a disc you bought at a brick and mortar store, and they most certainly would not give you money back (or credit) for opened software.

Walmart sold the software so if I'm having problems with it, Walmart is the point of contact. And I wasn't demanding that Steam fix my computer. I simply told them the game isn't working and I needed help. Isn't there an EA thread up above showing that the SIMs game is farked, regardless of the PC it runs on? I can't understand why it's my fault. You guys act like games are sold without flaws and the consumer is always wrong.


Here's the thing:  Arkham City works great for the vast majority of people that play it.  You're an edge case.  This is not the same at all as the Sim City issue, where everybody is having problems.  Sim City is a defective product.  Arkham City is just you.

And no, Wal-Mart won't give you a refund on opened software either.  The best they'll do is let you exchange it for another copy of the same program.  It'd be nice if they did give you a refund on software, but that's just not the way it works.

skinink: And Steam sold me the game. They need to support it, like they do with other games on their boards. But if it's not resolved and I lose money on a game I can't play then I pick the option of not buying games from Steam. Everyone wins out. Steam doesn't back the game they sold me and keeps the money for the game I can't play, and I don't lose any more money on Steam games


It's really not Valve's game to support.  Their options are kind of limited.  They do have a community forum, where users like you can share their experiences and help each other through issues, but if you want professional technical support, then you really need to contact the people who actually made the game.  Or you can be all petulant about it and act like Valve somehow did you wrong, and get nothing for your 8 bucks in the process.  That works, too.
 
2013-03-07 10:19:26 PM  

Mike_LowELL: Seriously, it's a freakin' Sim City game.  Were people really anticipating this?


I considered getting it on Tuesday, but I've been around long enough to expect a clusterfark.
 
2013-03-07 10:23:41 PM  

Electrify: Actually, you can count me in as one who is seriously thinking of pirating it, who wasn't before.


Well, this is a special case. I even bought the game and i'd still pirate it just to be able to play it.

This may be the biggest. DRM. catastrophe. evar.
 
2013-03-07 10:30:53 PM  

cman: Bender The Offender: cman: This About That: The acronym "EA", when printed on a software package, is really a new rating symbol. It means "DRM gone nuts".

What would you have them do? Not try at all? These companies have been affected by piracy and they are fighting back.

Yeah, it does suck, and yes, there will be some troubles; but you really cannot blame them for trying extreme actions.

This is the kind of shiat attitude that enables shiat companies like EA to saddle customers with shiat DRM. How the fark can you excuse them treating paying customers like criminals? I guess people will defend any farked up thing on the internet. I'm not the criminal. I pay for my goddamned software. If I pay $60 dollars for a game, then it should work right out of the box. There is no farking excuse whatsoever for my game to not work out of the box. I blame them, I blame them heavily. Not only do they screw honest customers with their shiatty DRM schemes, but then they nickel and dime the fark out of you with DLC for abilities like "sprint", or hotbars, or not going through 5 loading screens to get from 1 farking zone to another. EA is the definition of a shiat company with a shiat business ethos and an absolute contempt for their customers.

To think that EA considers their customers as the scum of the earth is laughable. Without customers they wouldnt be in business. They know this and they understand this. They are in the business to make money. If you treat your customers like shiat they won't spend their money.

EA board room doesnt meet with old men smoking cigars saying "How can we fark over everyone today?". That is the way that you are putting it.


I tend to agree that one should never attribute to wickedness that which can be attributed to incompetence and stupidity. It's paranoid.
 
2013-03-07 10:59:12 PM  
jso2897: I tend to agree that one should never attribute to wickedness that which can be attributed to incompetence and stupidity. It's paranoid.

I (try to) treat everyone I meet with at least a minimum level of respect and decency until they've proven they deserve to be treated otherwise.  EA has reaffirmed time and again that they belong in the "cancer on society" subgroup of the "otherwise" category.
 
2013-03-07 11:00:59 PM  
I've actually managed to play the new SimCity and it's pretty great.

That said, I've only managed to connect to the servers for a couple of hours in three days of trying, and I never managed to start a second city within the region, so... I like the game a lot, I just wish I could actually play it.

I'm never buying another EA game as long as they insist on using Always Connected as their DRM.
 
2013-03-07 11:05:53 PM  

jso2897: cman: Bender The Offender: cman: This About That: The acronym "EA", when printed on a software package, is really a new rating symbol. It means "DRM gone nuts".

What would you have them do? Not try at all? These companies have been affected by piracy and they are fighting back.

Yeah, it does suck, and yes, there will be some troubles; but you really cannot blame them for trying extreme actions.

This is the kind of shiat attitude that enables shiat companies like EA to saddle customers with shiat DRM. How the fark can you excuse them treating paying customers like criminals? I guess people will defend any farked up thing on the internet. I'm not the criminal. I pay for my goddamned software. If I pay $60 dollars for a game, then it should work right out of the box. There is no farking excuse whatsoever for my game to not work out of the box. I blame them, I blame them heavily. Not only do they screw honest customers with their shiatty DRM schemes, but then they nickel and dime the fark out of you with DLC for abilities like "sprint", or hotbars, or not going through 5 loading screens to get from 1 farking zone to another. EA is the definition of a shiat company with a shiat business ethos and an absolute contempt for their customers.

To think that EA considers their customers as the scum of the earth is laughable. Without customers they wouldnt be in business. They know this and they understand this. They are in the business to make money. If you treat your customers like shiat they won't spend their money.

EA board room doesnt meet with old men smoking cigars saying "How can we fark over everyone today?". That is the way that you are putting it.

I tend to agree that one should never attribute to wickedness that which can be attributed to incompetence and stupidity. It's paranoid.


When you're dealing with the actions of major corporations (especially in any entertainment field), you need to add the possibility of conceit.  It's quite possible that The Powers That Be® within EA are so utterly full of themselves that they wholly believe that this sort of DRM is perfectly justified because the EA brand is "worth it."
 
2013-03-07 11:32:12 PM  

jayhawk88: BumpInTheNight: Scruffinator: I don't know why I even bother with video game threads on here anymore.  Somebody mentions steam, I go check the store, now I just dropped 18 bucks on a game I bought ages ago and lost the disk to, probably for full price at the time, but oh it's in HD now but still doesn't come out for another month+, and I don't even have time to play the games I already bought during holiday sales that I've never played before.

I need to take, like, a month vacation.

You saw age of empires as well eh?

I didn't so much see it as I slipped into a euphoric dream state. The only way that news could have been better is if it was delivered by a naked Kate Upton.


Same here.  The moment I saw it, my hand drifted toward the "purchase" button and clicked it.  I couldn't stop myself, and I wouldn't want to.  It's just too beautiful.
 
2013-03-07 11:32:45 PM  
Gamespot gave it a 5.0 out of 10.0, which is a pretty gutsy move of theirs against one of the biggest advertisers publishers around.
 
2013-03-07 11:51:40 PM  

Cubicle Jockey: Gamespot gave it a 5.0 out of 10.0, which is a pretty gutsy move of theirs against one of the biggest advertisers publishers around.


Wow, that's a -1 review to us plebes.
 
2013-03-08 12:09:19 AM  
Another game I want to buy, but never will.

/burn in hell, EA and DRM
 
2013-03-08 12:25:49 AM  

Last Man on Earth: jayhawk88: BumpInTheNight: Scruffinator: I don't know why I even bother with video game threads on here anymore.  Somebody mentions steam, I go check the store, now I just dropped 18 bucks on a game I bought ages ago and lost the disk to, probably for full price at the time, but oh it's in HD now but still doesn't come out for another month+, and I don't even have time to play the games I already bought during holiday sales that I've never played before.

I need to take, like, a month vacation.

You saw age of empires as well eh?

I didn't so much see it as I slipped into a euphoric dream state. The only way that news could have been better is if it was delivered by a naked Kate Upton.

Same here.  The moment I saw it, my hand drifted toward the "purchase" button and clicked it.  I couldn't stop myself, and I wouldn't want to.  It's just too beautiful.


It gets ridiculous when other publishers decide to take full advantage of the Steam platform. Like 2K Games. Their rationale seems to be "If you buy our stuff, we'll give you  even more stuff." Have you looked at their pre-order bonuses for Bioshock Infinite? Mini-DLC, TF2 Items, the original Bioshock, and if enough people pre-order, X-Com. A game that is less than a year old and still sells at full price.
 
2013-03-08 12:45:02 AM  
I miss the golden age of "Sim" games.  One of my favorite games was SimEarth, the Mars terraform scenario was really fun.
 
2013-03-08 12:58:48 AM  
THIS IS WHY I NO LONGER BUY GAMES AT LAUNCH.   EVER.
 
2013-03-08 01:03:15 AM  

Cubicle Jockey: Gamespot gave it a 5.0 out of 10.0, which is a pretty gutsy move of theirs against one of the biggest advertisers publishers around.


Isn't gamespot going to be shut down anyway? It might explain why they're biting the hand that once fed them.
 
2013-03-08 01:03:59 AM  
that cyberpunk 2077 looks cool.

what is the name of the game that was in the playstation 4 video on here a few weeks ago, where the character was using his cell phone to hack atm's and traffic lights?

that game might actually get me to buy the new console.
 
2013-03-08 01:39:00 AM  

hawcian: It gets ridiculous when other publishers decide to take full advantage of the Steam platform. Like 2K Games. Their rationale seems to be "If you buy our stuff, we'll give you  even more stuff." Have you looked at their pre-order bonuses for Bioshock Infinite? Mini-DLC, TF2 Items, the original Bioshock, and if enough people pre-order, X-Com. A game that is less than a year old and still sells at full price.


The X-Com pre-order was actually how I got Civ 5.
 
2013-03-08 01:50:25 AM  

Arumat: A game that is less than a year old and still sells at full price.


Skyrim is the same, still full price.
 
kab
2013-03-08 01:55:47 AM  
Anyone who buys a title from this piece of shiat company deserves every headache that comes along with it.

What_Would_Jimi_Do: Skyrim is the same, still full price.


40 bucks on Steam currently.
 
2013-03-08 02:00:29 AM  

kab: 40 bucks on Steam currently.


i swear i thought i saw it 59.99 a few days ago. same with borderlands 2.

i could have been wrong.
 
2013-03-08 02:12:18 AM  

CraicBaby: Steam is having a "CIty Sims That Work Offline" Sale.


As someone who plays games very infrequently, I was kinda looking forward to the new Sims and actually purchasing it.

After the Ars Technica review and this crap, I'll just have the SO take advantage of the Steam sale for me I suppose.  Thanks.

/I have Comcast simply because it's the only f--king game in town
//so I'd like to have games that work when the internet cuts out for some odd reason
 
2013-03-08 02:56:35 AM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: CraicBaby: Steam is having a "CIty Sims That Work Offline" Sale.

As someone who plays games very infrequently, I was kinda looking forward to the new Sims and actually purchasing it.

After the Ars Technica review and this crap, I'll just have the SO take advantage of the Steam sale for me I suppose.  Thanks.

/I have Comcast simply because it's the only f--king game in town
//so I'd like to have games that work when the internet cuts out for some odd reason



<facepalm>
 
2013-03-08 03:10:10 AM  

ZeroCorpse: THIS IS WHY I NO LONGER BUY GAMES AT LAUNCH. EVER.


I got a Borderlands 2 pre-order bundled with a video card that I was going to buy anyway. The files showed up for download on Steam a few days before the launch. On the day, there was a small update which unlocked them and that was it. Almost painless except for a bit of futzing around with .net library updates.
 
2013-03-08 04:51:04 AM  
All I can say is this is my problem with "always on" verification methods.  It's not that I'm a filthy pirate, it's not that I have objections to the publisher "securing their intellectual property", it's that I want my ability to play the game to be dependent solely on my equipment.  Not the publisher's, not my ISP's, just what I have in my computer.  That's not too much to ask for a single player game, is it?

Well, apparently EA and Blizzard think so.
 
2013-03-08 05:16:31 AM  
Even if simcity had a flawless launch, EA loves dropping severs for games.
 
2013-03-08 06:02:51 AM  
I think even if I buy this game I will use a pirate copy (it will probably use a local server proxy and have local saves and no multiplayer and most of all no DRM so it will continue working)

I don`t want multiplayer sim city. I like single player games. I like games I can play without connecting to the internet. Don`t get me wrong, I also like MMORPGs n stuff but I don`t see the need to go online to play a single player game.
 
2013-03-08 06:27:41 AM  

aracnop: Even if simcity had a flawless launch, EA loves dropping severs for games.


It is one of underlying limitations of an online only game - it is fine if the game is crap so you never play it anyway, or okay but once you played it through there is no reason you would never want to play it again, but if you end up really liking the game sooner or later it will be pulled out from under you as uneconomic (except in the rare instances of consumer friendly companies that create the ability for fans to run their own servers or convert it to single player when they turn off the servers, but we can safely assume EA is never going to do something like that).

So basically for me most online games are a no-go: why bother when there is no meaningful upside from a players perspective, as if you like it you will just get stuffed later when they turn it off. The only exceptions would be games where the online part is the core mechanic that makes the game work (like an MMORPG), certainly not for games like Diablo 3 or SimCity where the online interactions are non-essential or trivial.
 
2013-03-08 06:31:01 AM  
Yeah, just checked my favourite torrent site and there is a torrent available, simcity+patch+crack, which has comments saying it works fine so if you have bought a copy and cannot play then download a cracked copy and then you can play...

Freakin DRM, how does that encourage piracy?
 
2013-03-08 07:28:58 AM  

Ivo Shandor: ZeroCorpse: THIS IS WHY I NO LONGER BUY GAMES AT LAUNCH. EVER.

I got a Borderlands 2 pre-order bundled with a video card that I was going to buy anyway. The files showed up for download on Steam a few days before the launch. On the day, there was a small update which unlocked them and that was it. Almost painless except for a bit of futzing around with .net library updates.


I just bought Tomb Raider a few days before the launch and it worked fine. This isn't a game at launch problem, this is a servers at launch for online only DRM enabled games that have no real need to be online on servers anyway.
 
2013-03-08 07:51:01 AM  
What happened to you Electronic Arts? You used to be so damned cool.

upload.wikimedia.org
upload.wikimedia.org
upload.wikimedia.org
upload.wikimedia.org
upload.wikimedia.org
open-tube.com

Etc.
 
2013-03-08 07:54:31 AM  
cman:
What would you have them do? Not try at all? These companies have been affected by piracy and they are fighting back.

I know it's 168 posts later, but let me just add:

No they haven't, you don't know anything about piracy in the video game industry, please take your ignorance back to the politics tab.

Thanks.
 
2013-03-08 08:16:33 AM  

What_Would_Jimi_Do: kab: 40 bucks on Steam currently.

i swear i thought i saw it 59.99 a few days ago. same with borderlands 2.

i could have been wrong.


Steam does include Skyrim in their massive sales, so you don't have to pay full price for it.
 
2013-03-08 08:17:40 AM  

tlchwi02: Pre-recorded movies, music, and computer/video game software and circuit cartridges must be returned within  90 days in the original and unopened packaging.....


Keyword champ. He installed the game, which requires opening the package, which voids the return policy. All major retailers have the same policy. Not saying I agree with it, but no one allows returns on unopened software, only exchanges for the same software.
 
2013-03-08 08:18:29 AM  
YodaBlues: unopened opened

Ugh, too early.
 
Xai
2013-03-08 08:29:29 AM  

cman: This About That: The acronym "EA", when printed on a software package, is really a new rating symbol. It means "DRM gone nuts".

What would you have them do? Not try at all? These companies have been affected by piracy and they are fighting back.

Yeah, it does suck, and yes, there will be some troubles; but you really cannot blame them for trying extreme actions.


so many companies have perfected a level of DRM that works, steam, for example, is a great blend of drm and distribution. What is more is that ubisoft had the same style of drm, with the same issues and it created more piracy than before. They have ignored the lessons of the past and that is why people are berating them.
 
2013-03-08 08:30:31 AM  

What_Would_Jimi_Do: Arumat: A game that is less than a year old and still sells at full price.

Skyrim is the same, still full price.


I got Skyrim for 29.99 during their Christmas sale. They're so predictable that's actually what I planned on doing- I delayed buying a PC game because I knew I'd be able to get it at Christmas for 50% off, that's basically their shtick now.

Same for Borderlands 2.
 
2013-03-08 08:42:29 AM  

What_Would_Jimi_Do: Arumat: A game that is less than a year old and still sells at full price.

Skyrim is the same, still full price.


Skyrim was sold at $39.99 on release?

/Additionally, SimCity appears to be available through Amazon again.
//Will not purchase it or any other EA game, ever.
 
2013-03-08 08:43:21 AM  
Nice to see that some comments made in the Geeks Tab is as clueless and confrontational as comments from the Politics Tab.
 
rpm
2013-03-08 08:59:30 AM  

What_Would_Jimi_Do: what is the name of the game that was in the playstation 4 video on here a few weeks ago, where the character was using his cell phone to hack atm's and traffic lights?


Watch Dogs. It's not a PS4 exclusive, PS3, 360, Wii U as well.

The designer recently left, so I don't know how that bodes for the game.
 
2013-03-08 09:18:14 AM  
 
2013-03-08 09:26:07 AM  
This is specifically why I pirate games.

For the most part, I know what I'm going to like. If I'm fairly certain I will like it, I don't mind dropping money on it right away. If I get burned because it sucks, it was my fault for being too presumptuous, but then I know to be more careful next time.

If I really have no idea, I pirate the game, or if I can, try it on someone else's system. If I like, I buy. If I don't, I'll ditch it. Company wasn't going to get my money without me testing it and if there's not a lot of enjoyment or replayability, then I wouldn't buy it. Being able to pirate games allows me to play a lot more games than if I just said, "Well, I'll drop some money on this game and HOPE I like it." "Nope, that sucked, well, I can't afford to try anything else right now..."

Last game I technically "bought" and didn't enjoy was Diablo 3. And maybe that doesn't count. At the time, my laptop was on its last legs and I wasn't sure I'd be able to play the game at all. But I got it from the yearly pass with WoW, that I knew I was going to pay for anyway, so basically free game. Sure enough, much like Star Craft, it was chuggy and hard to play most of the time, but I still enjoyed Starcraft. Diablo 3 had multiple reasons I was unhappy with it.
 
2013-03-08 09:36:32 AM  

Space Station Wagon: Simcity 4 Deluxe on sale for $16 and some change on amazon

http://www.amazon.com/SimCity-4-Deluxe-Edition-Download/dp/B00457VJ3 G/ ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1362752205&sr=8-1&keywords=simcity+4


Wonder if I can activate the key on Steam....
 
2013-03-08 09:37:36 AM  
$60 for a new title?  Can you hear me laughing?  Because I'm laughing pretty F'ing hard.  No. Not yours.  If a title is affiliated with Ubisoft or EA it's an automatic no buy.  They've abused my trust too much.  Horribly invasive/crippling DRM is a deal breaker. Forever.

If I simply MUST play a game by a company on my black list, I pirate it.  I simply do not care about large company profitability.  If a new title comes out that I want and it's by anyone else, I'll pirate it and wait for the price to come down to my reasonable spending level.  ~$20 or less.

Nickle and dime me with DLC?  I'll pirate your game and wait for a cheap GOTY edition.  The only time I pay full price for a game at launch is when I want to support the developer and/or the price is >$15.

/my 2 cents.
 
2013-03-08 09:38:36 AM  

INeedAName: StreetlightInTheGhetto: CraicBaby: Steam is having a "CIty Sims That Work Offline" Sale.

As someone who plays games very infrequently, I was kinda looking forward to the new Sims and actually purchasing it.

After the Ars Technica review and this crap, I'll just have the SO take advantage of the Steam sale for me I suppose.  Thanks.

/I have Comcast simply because it's the only f--king game in town
//so I'd like to have games that work when the internet cuts out for some odd reason


<facepalm>


Sometimes, it's easy to see who reads the thread and who doesn't.
 
2013-03-08 09:39:31 AM  

skinink: Nice to see that some comments made in the Geeks Tab is as clueless and confrontational as comments from the Politics Tab.


That's what happens when you come in here and say clueless shiat.  Pro Tip: Unless you're dealing with a situation like this new Sim City where everyone is having a problem, you will never get sympathy on Fark with a "Game X didn't work for me, WAAAA!" post (especially if you follow that up with "So I'll never buy from Steam again!"  Folks 'round here loves their Steam).  A number of people on Fark work in various computer fields and have zero tolerance for entitled whinging about computer and/or software issues.

And to save you some time:

• Yes, the problem you encountered was with your setup and not the game.  That is not open for discussion; if Arkham City had shipped broken, there'd have been a geek outcry the likes of which has never been seen before or since.  This is not an indictment of you as a person, sometimes a given configuration just doesn't work with a given application.  The only way I was able to get Metro 2033 to run on my rig was to get a different brand of the same model of video card, for example.
• No, Steam doesn't owe you jack shiat because something on your system wouldn't let you play a game they sold you.  That's how the software retail industry works, get used to it.
• Yes, you are well within your rights to no longer patronize Steam over that $8.  Just as we're well within our rights to laugh at you and point out just how poor that decision was.
• And just in case you're still clueless as to why your initial post got the response it did, it was because you came into a SimCity/EA biatchfest and whined about how Steam didn't cater to your demands.  You're the guy who walks into a Pets With Cancer support group and says, "Oh yeah?  Well, my cat scratched my hand the other day, so I dropped him off at the nearest animal shelter.  I aint gonna live with no cat that scratches me."
 
2013-03-08 09:44:53 AM  

ZeroCorpse: THIS IS WHY I NO LONGER BUY GAMES AT LAUNCH.   EVER.


That's been my policy for years, but like so many addicts, I periodically backslide.  Paradox's Hearts of Iron 3 caused me to break my vow.  And it was horrible (WWII game where Finland invades Pacific Islands, Mexico invades Germany in 1937, etc, etc).  The pre-release reviews were glowing since they reviewed the games on its 'potential' and not the actual game that came in the box.

Three years later and I've never bought another Paradox title.
 
2013-03-08 09:46:06 AM  

Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: skinink: Nice to see that some comments made in the Geeks Tab is as clueless and confrontational as comments from the Politics Tab.

That's what happens when you come in here and say clueless shiat.  Pro Tip: Unless you're dealing with a situation like this new Sim City where everyone is having a problem, you will never get sympathy on Fark with a "Game X didn't work for me, WAAAA!" post (especially if you follow that up with "So I'll never buy from Steam again!"  Folks 'round here loves their Steam).  A number of people on Fark work in various computer fields and have zero tolerance for entitled whinging about computer and/or software issues.

And to save you some time:

• Yes, the problem you encountered was with your setup and not the game.  That is not open for discussion; if Arkham City had shipped broken, there'd have been a geek outcry the likes of which has never been seen before or since.  This is not an indictment of you as a person, sometimes a given configuration just doesn't work with a given application.  The only way I was able to get Metro 2033 to run on my rig was to get a different brand of the same model of video card, for example.
• No, Steam doesn't owe you jack shiat because something on your system wouldn't let you play a game they sold you.  That's how the software retail industry works, get used to it.
• Yes, you are well within your rights to no longer patronize Steam over that $8.  Just as we're well within our rights to laugh at you and point out just how poor that decision was.
• And just in case you're still clueless as to why your initial post got the response it did, it was because you came into a SimCity/EA biatchfest and whined about how Steam didn't cater to your demands.  You're the guy who walks into a Pets With Cancer support group and says, "Oh yeah?  Well, my cat scratched my hand the other day, so I dropped him off at the nearest animal shelter.  I aint gonna live with no cat that scratches me."


Bravo!
However a welcome to fark picture might have been quicker. :)
 
2013-03-08 09:48:40 AM  

Space Station Wagon: Simcity 4 Deluxe on sale for $16 and some change on amazon

http://www.amazon.com/SimCity-4-Deluxe-Edition-Download/dp/B00457VJ3 G/ ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1362752205&sr=8-1&keywords=simcity+4


These threads inspired me, so I reinstalled and played for a few hours last night.  I remember now why it didn't hook me like the earlier versions -- lack of goal-oriented scenarios.  All sandbox, all the time just doesn't do it for me.

So I reinstalled SC2000.  Briefly. I can't go back to those graphics.  Too many years of superior graphics have spoiled me.
 
2013-03-08 09:52:18 AM  

Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: Folks 'round here loves their Steam


That's true, but to keep it in perspective I'd like to point out that most of us would be perfectly fine with a critique of steam that was valid. We usually only ever see the whine about offline play being impossible even though it clearly is.
 
2013-03-08 09:56:06 AM  
Simcity 2000 or Simcity 4? can't deciede which one to grab instead of this mess.
 
2013-03-08 09:56:14 AM  
 
rpm
2013-03-08 10:02:58 AM  

Mr_H: Simcity 2000 or Simcity 4? can't deciede which one to grab instead of this mess.


Why choose? SC2K is only $5.99.
 
2013-03-08 10:05:58 AM  

YodaBlues: [s3.amazonaws.com image 640x480]
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1584821767/civitas-plan-develop- an d-manage-the-city-of-your-d

Screw 'em, let's support some indie devs instead.


I may have to throw $25 at those guys.

+1 Internets to you, sir and/or madam.
 
2013-03-08 10:21:56 AM  

sniderman: What happened to you Electronic Arts? You used to be so damned cool.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x234]
[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x223]
[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x220]
[upload.wikimedia.org image 256x259]
[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x308]
[open-tube.com image 264x264]

Etc.


Holy Crap. Dr. J vs Larry Bird brings back some memories.

Good call.

Ultimate Wizard was my first (and still favorite) EA game for the C64
www.lemon64.com
xboxsuperghost.files.wordpress.com


Also, bought SC2K for $2.99 on GOG.com the other day, still highly enjoyable.
 
2013-03-08 10:23:12 AM  
Not to thread jack, but has anyone plated the new Tomb Raider yet? Thoughts?
 
2013-03-08 10:28:25 AM  

Obiwontaun: Not to thread jack, but has anyone plated the new Tomb Raider yet? Thoughts?


It goes very nicely with some rice pilaf and a sprig of parsley for garnish.
 
2013-03-08 10:30:28 AM  

What_Would_Jimi_Do: kab: 40 bucks on Steam currently.

i swear i thought i saw it 59.99 a few days ago. same with borderlands 2.

i could have been wrong.


You don't buy stuff on Steam at full price, except if you want it on release day.  Borderlands 2 is $59.99 right now, but has been on sale for $29.99 at least twice within the past four months.
 
2013-03-08 10:31:22 AM  

Obiwontaun: Not to thread jack, but has anyone plated the new Tomb Raider yet? Thoughts?


There's a whole thread of thoughts on the new TR game.
 
2013-03-08 10:33:22 AM  

rpm: Mr_H: Simcity 2000 or Simcity 4? can't deciede which one to grab instead of this mess.

Why choose? SC2K is only $5.99.


A convincing argument ....
 
2013-03-08 10:34:21 AM  

Obiwontaun: Not to thread jack, but has anyone plated the new Tomb Raider yet? Thoughts?


Think Crysis 3 meets Uncharted. A semi free roaming environment, experience that goes towards improving skills, minor crafting to improve equipment, and platforming type puzzles. I really enjoy it. If I had to level a criticism, it's the inclusion of ham fisted quick time events.
 
2013-03-08 10:40:09 AM  

HeartBurnKid: Obiwontaun: Not to thread jack, but has anyone plated the new Tomb Raider yet? Thoughts?

It goes very nicely with some rice pilaf and a sprig of parsley for garnish.


I guess I deserve that for posting from my phone without previewing
 
2013-03-08 10:42:49 AM  

Egoy3k: Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: Folks 'round here loves their Steam

That's true, but to keep it in perspective I'd like to point out that most of us would be perfectly fine with a critique of steam that was valid. We usually only ever see the whine about offline play being impossible even though it clearly is.


Yeah, I like Steam and have bought hundreds of games through it (including plenty I already owned, if they were cheap enough), but there are plenty of criticisms you can level at them:

1) The Steam interface version of the store is fairly crappy
1a) it tends to lose items from the cart occasionally while you are browsing around, which can get annoying during the big sales
1b) the search facility doesn't work with forwards/backwards so if you are scrolling through long lists of items (like everything on sale ordered by price) every time you click into an item to see the details, when you go back you have to scroll back manually to the page you were on (jumping only 2 pages at a time)
1c) the sales tab on the front page of the store only goes up to 100 items, even though it frequently gets spammed with hundreds of individual DLCs on sale (more a problem with the way DLCs take up so much space, where it seems like they should be grouped together rather than listed individually)
1d) the text search seems dubious and doesn't always find games that are definitely available (while finding things that don't seem related at all)
1e) when doing a big sale, the main sale page randomly orders the items, so if you click into an item for the details and then back, it is hard to keep track of which things you have looked at or not and keep having to rescan all the items (I can understand they might not want to have a fixed order to avoid biasing towards certain items at the top of the list, but it should be fixed for each session/user)
2) No control over maximum download speeds - even to the point that frequently when you buy one game, you can't even use the Steam Store to find if anything else good is for sale until the download finishes. This has become better more recently, although can still be dodgy, but not sure if this is because I now have a 70Mb connection, or if it was the change to queueing so you are only downloading one item at a time (they happened around the same time)
3) Have to fudge around with offline mode to play two different games on the same account on different computers - I can understand why they do this, but it is annoying as I am frequently playing something like Civ/HoI/TW on one computer and then having a break after a couple of turns and playing a bit of an action/FPS on another - obviously if bought via physical media this would be no problem, you just wouldn't be able to play the exact same game on two computers without having two copies (apart from certain RTSes that explicitly support spawned instances)

But compared to the ease of buying, downloading, installing, patching, and the sales and the relatively good support for old, and more innovative indie developers, Steam easily outweighs the issues it has - I did prefer Impulse originally, just because I like Paradox games so much and their anti-DRM attitude, but now that is GameStop I have pretty much stopped buying from that service, or even looking to see what they have available/for sale.
 
2013-03-08 10:42:55 AM  

Teufelaffe: Obiwontaun: Not to thread jack, but has anyone plated the new Tomb Raider yet? Thoughts?

There's a whole thread of thoughts on the new TR game.


Thanks, I missed that.
 
2013-03-08 10:56:43 AM  

Egoy3k: Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: Folks 'round here loves their Steam

That's true, but to keep it in perspective I'd like to point out that most of us would be perfectly fine with a critique of steam that was valid. We usually only ever see the whine about offline play being impossible even though it clearly is.


I use Steam a lot and, by and large, am happy with it.  My kids are in their early 20s now and I would like to split my account into three separate accounts and move their games to the new accounts.  Can't do it.  Steam support says we have to repurchase the games to get them on another accounts.

That would make me happy.
 
2013-03-08 10:58:49 AM  

sniderman: What happened to you Electronic Arts? You used to be so damned cool.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x234]
[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x223]
[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x220]
[upload.wikimedia.org image 256x259]
[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x308]
[open-tube.com image 264x264]

Etc.


They got old and corporate.  That's what.  I still watch SimCity on Twitch.tv for those who can get on.
 
2013-03-08 11:00:39 AM  
On the Steam Sale, anyone play any of those city sim games?  Any of them good?
 
2013-03-08 11:11:25 AM  

VoodooTaco: sniderman: What happened to you Electronic Arts? You used to be so damned cool.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x234]
[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x223]
[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x220]
[upload.wikimedia.org image 256x259]
[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x308]
[open-tube.com image 264x264]

Etc.

Holy Crap. Dr. J vs Larry Bird brings back some memories.

Good call.

Ultimate Wizard was my first (and still favorite) EA game for the C64
[www.lemon64.com image 354x363]
[xboxsuperghost.files.wordpress.com image 430x270]


Also, bought SC2K for $2.99 on GOG.com the other day, still highly enjoyable.



WHOA!  That game was called  Ultimate Wizard?  The -ahem- copy on floppy that was going around my town was just labeled "Wizard", so that was what we called it. That was what we looked for when some of us considered digging it up later, too. We didn't find it.

I was always partial to Mail Order Monsters, Archon 2, and Racing Destruction Set. All these years later and they still haven't remade any of those (and RDS would be AWESOME now).
 
2013-03-08 11:15:09 AM  

Teufelaffe: YodaBlues: [s3.amazonaws.com image 640x480]
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1584821767/civitas-plan-develop- an d-manage-the-city-of-your-d

Screw 'em, let's support some indie devs instead.

I may have to throw $25 at those guys.

+1 Internets to you, sir and/or madam.


No problemo, found it linked from another thread on this whole debacle. It looks very very promising, my only concern is the lack any recongnizable name dev studio behind it, although they do mention quite a few AAA games the devs have supposedly worked on. I'll probably give a few bucks to support it though, they are saying it's going into beta 2 weeks after the kickstarter closes, which means that the bulk of the work is probably done.
 
2013-03-08 11:52:33 AM  
Here's my Amazon 1 Star review:

I was highly anticipating Sim City 5. It's been so long since Sim City 4. I knew about the always on DRM and persistent internet connection. I was OK with that, even though I didn't like it. The game came from Amazon yesterday, and I was already aware of the server issues EA has been having and all of the complaints. I'm running a Windows 7 PC, i5 2500k overclocked to 4.5Ghz, with 12GB ram, and the Radeon 6970 and I installed Sim City 5 on my SSD.


That all went well. I got to the laucnher, and after several updates, I was able to select my server (North American East 1) and the Play button finally lit up. I hit it, and I get a flashing black screen, with the cursor. 15 minutes later, the same thing. I couldn't even alt+tab out of it. I had to restart. After looking up the issue, EA tells me to hold alt+enter to open Sim City 5 in windowed mode. This did not work. Additionally, they tell if that doesn't work to right click the exe file, go to compatibility tab and select run in "Windows 7 compatibility mode" (even though I'm using Windows 7) this also did not work.
Still got the black flashing screen. The game is broken. I've already printed my return labels to Amazon.
 
2013-03-08 12:29:34 PM  
This just shows how little EA has invested in their infrastructure and how foolish they are.  Surprisingly nobody has brought up that this is the same problem they had when Diablo 3 launched.  EA is good at hyping a game but the user experience is still crap.  Could Steam have handled the gigantic amount of users? Maybe, as it's been mentioned it could be the way EA/Maxis programmed the game that's causing so much overload on their servers.

EA's approach with Origin has been bad from the start but loyal or blind EA gamers have been willing to put up with it.  They really need to rethink of how they're going to have the game work at the end user level and how to incorporate that into their Origin service to enforce the DRM/multplayer side of things.
 
2013-03-08 12:47:46 PM  

Nick Spiceyweiner: Can someone answer this for me - I just put steam on my computer the other day, and want to add a couple of my friends who have been wanting me to get on there.  I only own one game - guild wars 2 as I just bought that the day I got the thing running cause I had been wanting to play it.  I also downloaded some free to play game that I don't ever intend on playing because it said I had to have a game in my library to add friends.  I told steam I had gw2 also, so it shows two games in my library, but still won't let me add friends.  What am I doing wrong?  Do I need to actually buy something through them for that to work?


The reason steam does that is to minimize troll accounts. I ran into the same issue when my girlfriend downloaded the civ 5 demo.

The fact that you've bought a game and it still doesn't work means you should probably contact steam support.
 
2013-03-08 12:51:55 PM  

Nick Spiceyweiner: Can someone answer this for me - I just put steam on my computer the other day, and want to add a couple of my friends who have been wanting me to get on there.  I only own one game - guild wars 2 as I just bought that the day I got the thing running cause I had been wanting to play it.  I also downloaded some free to play game that I don't ever intend on playing because it said I had to have a game in my library to add friends.  I told steam I had gw2 also, so it shows two games in my library, but still won't let me add friends.  What am I doing wrong?  Do I need to actually buy something through them for that to work?


You don't need to own any games to add friends in Steam. Open your friend list, click 'Add Friend' and select the friend from the results. Not sure what your talking about.
 
2013-03-08 12:53:40 PM  

Need a Dispenser Here: The reason steam does that is to minimize troll accounts. I ran into the same issue when my girlfriend downloaded the civ 5 demo.

The fact that you've bought a game and it still doesn't work means you should probably contact steam support.


Ah, never mind.  Didn't realize they did that, but it makes sense. One way to cut down on spammers and the like.
 
2013-03-08 12:57:25 PM  
 
2013-03-08 01:01:21 PM  

skinink: CraicBaby: Steam is having a "CIty Sims That Work Offline" Sale.

Fark Steam. I bought "Batman - Arkham City" through them and the game crashes to the point where I can't play the game anymore (only finished 9% of it). Asked them for a refund or a credit and they would give neither. To top it off, it's only $8 they would have to credit me. I'm not buying any games that have to go through Steam, if it means I never play another game again. And that includes any new Portal or Half Life games.


How, exactly, is it Steam's fault that Batman crashes for you?
 
2013-03-08 01:26:24 PM  

aracnop: Even if simcity had a flawless launch, EA loves dropping severs for games.


I keep seeing this thrown around. Yes, for games less than a year old, it's crap.

But aside from a very, very, small group of games, how many people play 4-5 year old games regularly?

And do you not think if the demand was so omnipresent, they wouldn't make the games available? I know you're trying to sidestep to saying they will force you to buy next years because they will turn off 2013s servers, and I expect them to do it as well.

But it's a farking stupid blank statement without the follow through.
 
2013-03-08 01:32:41 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: skinink: CraicBaby: Steam is having a "CIty Sims That Work Offline" Sale.

Fark Steam. I bought "Batman - Arkham City" through them and the game crashes to the point where I can't play the game anymore (only finished 9% of it). Asked them for a refund or a credit and they would give neither. To top it off, it's only $8 they would have to credit me. I'm not buying any games that have to go through Steam, if it means I never play another game again. And that includes any new Portal or Half Life games.

How, exactly, is it Steam's fault that Batman crashes for you?


Because they sold the game?  I dunno, he seems to be being a whiny brat.
 
2013-03-08 01:47:28 PM  
For the guy who is having problems with Batman, let me give you these words of advice...

Google is your friend.
 
2013-03-08 01:49:58 PM  

sniderman: photo of Bard's Tale I cover


The Bard's Tale series was developed by Interplay.  EA was merely the publisher.
 
2013-03-08 01:52:18 PM  

Electrify: For the guy who is having problems with Batman, let me give you these words of advice...

Google is your friend.


Nah, he's apparently bound and determined to blame Valve and never actually play his game.
 
2013-03-08 03:38:48 PM  

Nick Spiceyweiner: Need a Dispenser Here: Nick Spiceyweiner: Can someone answer this for me - I just put steam on my computer the other day, and want to add a couple of my friends who have been wanting me to get on there.  I only own one game - guild wars 2 as I just bought that the day I got the thing running cause I had been wanting to play it.  I also downloaded some free to play game that I don't ever intend on playing because it said I had to have a game in my library to add friends.  I told steam I had gw2 also, so it shows two games in my library, but still won't let me add friends.  What am I doing wrong?  Do I need to actually buy something through them for that to work?

The reason steam does that is to minimize troll accounts. I ran into the same issue when my girlfriend downloaded the civ 5 demo.

The fact that you've bought a game and it still doesn't work means you should probably contact steam support.

Well I haven't bought anything thru them.  I bought gw2 from their site, and just added it as a game I have on steam.  I did download a free to play game as I thought that would give me a game in my library, but it still didn't let me add.



You should just buy a game, ya cheap bastidge. ;) They have 1,305 games under $5.
 
2013-03-08 03:43:20 PM  

Nick Spiceyweiner: Need a Dispenser Here: Nick Spiceyweiner: Can someone answer this for me - I just put steam on my computer the other day, and want to add a couple of my friends who have been wanting me to get on there.  I only own one game - guild wars 2 as I just bought that the day I got the thing running cause I had been wanting to play it.  I also downloaded some free to play game that I don't ever intend on playing because it said I had to have a game in my library to add friends.  I told steam I had gw2 also, so it shows two games in my library, but still won't let me add friends.  What am I doing wrong?  Do I need to actually buy something through them for that to work?

The reason steam does that is to minimize troll accounts. I ran into the same issue when my girlfriend downloaded the civ 5 demo.

The fact that you've bought a game and it still doesn't work means you should probably contact steam support.

Well I haven't bought anything thru them.  I bought gw2 from their site, and just added it as a game I have on steam.  I did download a free to play game as I thought that would give me a game in my library, but it still didn't let me add.


You can try support and see if they will let you add your friends. Or, you can try having your friends add you instead.
 
2013-03-08 04:59:48 PM  

friday13: Because they sold the game? I dunno, he seems to be being a whiny brat.


Likely a dumbass who doesn't know how to update his graphics drivers.  He probably contacts Gamestop for tech support on games he guys there.
 
2013-03-08 07:45:04 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-08 08:46:20 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: [i.imgur.com image 850x744]


EA's support staff are some of the dumbest people on the planet. I did an IM session with one guy to update my email address on my Origin account so that I could get a receipt for any purchases I make through it, and after 30 minutes of trying to confirm I was who I said I was (keep in mind I was logged into my account so that I could talk to him in the first place), he gives me an overseas support number!

/fortunately the guy was too incompetent to suspend my account
//can view and change my credit card info without an issue, but can't update my email?!?
 
2013-03-09 12:22:28 AM  

RickN99: Space Station Wagon: Simcity 4 Deluxe on sale for $16 and some change on amazon

http://www.amazon.com/SimCity-4-Deluxe-Edition-Download/dp/B00457VJ3 G/ ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1362752205&sr=8-1&keywords=simcity+4

These threads inspired me, so I reinstalled and played for a few hours last night.  I remember now why it didn't hook me like the earlier versions -- lack of goal-oriented scenarios.  All sandbox, all the time just doesn't do it for me.

So I reinstalled SC2000.  Briefly. I can't go back to those graphics.  Too many years of superior graphics have spoiled me.


Tropico sucked me in for the missions and scenarios.  Sandbox was certainly fun, but trying to figure out how to achieve specific goals was a lot of fun too. I agree, all sandbox all the time is more like playing with LEGO. It's fun, but it's also not quite a game.
 
2013-03-09 12:50:04 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: [i.imgur.com image 850x744]


If I had a login there instead of just being a freeloader, I'd post that in the video games section of memebase.  Shooting it to one of the Penny Arcade guys in an e-mail would probably have some delicious fallout as well.
 
2013-03-09 04:25:25 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: [i.imgur.com image 850x744]


Hey look.  A tired JPEG of someone who yet again failed to read section 7 of the Origin EULA.

Origin is in the business of selling digital licenses. If you got your license, EA has legally satisfied their agreement with you. At no point in their EULA do they say their games will work at all, and they expressly forbid refunds on digital downloads.
 
2013-03-09 05:56:36 AM  

fluffy2097: Satanic_Hamster: [i.imgur.com image 850x744]

Hey look.  A tired JPEG of someone who yet again failed to read section 7 of the Origin EULA.

Origin is in the business of selling digital licenses. If you got your license, EA has legally satisfied their agreement with you. At no point in their EULA do they say their games will work at all, and they expressly forbid refunds on digital downloads.


I no way would I give a shiat what their EULA says if what they sold me was completely inaccessible even after a week of tryin to fix it.  Class action, its the only way EA is ever going to learn.

/or just never buy shiat from EA like I do, that's working out pretty well too
 
2013-03-09 07:43:32 AM  

Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: skinink: Nice to see that some comments made in the Geeks Tab is as clueless and confrontational as comments from the Politics Tab.

That's what happens when you come in here and say clueless shiat.  Pro Tip: Unless you're dealing with a situation like this new Sim City where everyone is having a problem, you will never get sympathy on Fark with a "Game X didn't work for me, WAAAA!" post (especially if you follow that up with "So I'll never buy from Steam again!"  Folks 'round here loves their Steam).  A number of people on Fark work in various computer fields and have zero tolerance for entitled whinging about computer and/or software issues.

And to save you some time:

Yes, the problem you encountered was with your setup and not the game.That is not open for discussion; if Arkham City had shipped broken, there'd have been a geek outcry the likes of which has never been seen before or since.  This is not an indictment of you as a person, sometimes a given configuration just doesn't work with a given application.  The only way I was able to get Metro 2033 to run on my rig was to get a different brand of the same model of video card, for example.
• No, Steam doesn't owe you jack shiat because something on your system wouldn't let you play a game they sold you.  That's how the software retail industry works, get used to it.
• Yes, you are well within your rights to no longer patronize Steam over that $8.  Just as we're well within our rights to laugh at you and point out just how poor that decision was.
• And just in case you're still clueless as to why your initial post got the response it did, it was because you came into a SimCity/EA biatchfest and whined about how Steam didn't cater to your demands.  You're the guy who walks into a Pets With Cancer support group and says, "Oh yeah?  Well, my cat scratched my hand the other day, so I dropped him off at the nearest animal shelter.  I aint gonna live with no cat that scratches me."


So in other words you're an idiot as well. When I got the original replies to my post I went looking for the developer's site for a solution and realised I had gone there before (Warner Bros). Their forums for AC does show the game does have various technical issues, and yadda yadda.

And also you can take your attitude and stuff it. Sorry my post seemed to piss in your cereal.
 
2013-03-09 10:29:12 AM  

fluffy2097: Hey look. A tired JPEG of someone who yet again failed to read section 7 of the Origin EULA.

Origin is in the business of selling digital licenses. If you got your license, EA has legally satisfied their agreement with you. At no point in their EULA do they say their games will work at all, and they expressly forbid refunds on digital downloads.


Suggest printing the EULA and shoving it up your dick, troll.
 
2013-03-09 11:07:19 AM  

BumpInTheNight: Class action, its the only way EA is ever going to learn.


You didn't read their EULA :(

You have no right to a class action lawsuit. You gave it up in the EULA. The best you can do is mandatory binding arbitration, paid for and chosen by EA. Sounds like you'll get a fair deal on that. ಠ_ಠ
 
2013-03-09 11:09:36 AM  
Satanic_Hamster:

Suggest printing the EULA and shoving it up your dick, troll.

You've got some serious anger issues considering all I'm doing is spelling out your current legal rights regarding the purchase of EA software.

If you can get the supreme court to hear your complaints about the Origin EULA, you might be able to get a trial. Considering enterprise software EULA's haven't managed to make it out of arbitration, I don't think the highest court in the land will pick up a case about a game.
 
2013-03-09 11:13:32 AM  

fluffy2097: BumpInTheNight: Class action, its the only way EA is ever going to learn.

You didn't read their EULA :(

You have no right to a class action lawsuit. You gave it up in the EULA. The best you can do is mandatory binding arbitration, paid for and chosen by EA. Sounds like you'll get a fair deal on that. ಠ_ಠ


Mine trumps theirs, it basically says if you sell me something that's broken you gotta give me my money back or I join a pile of other people and sue you.  By selling me something you agree to this.

/both carry just as much weight in court
//good thing I didn't actually buy Simcity because I knew shiat like this would happen to it
 
2013-03-09 11:16:17 AM  

BumpInTheNight: Mine trumps theirs, it basically says if you sell me something that's broken you gotta give me my money back or I join a pile of other people and sue you. By selling me something you agree to this.

/both carry just as much weight in court


Well here's the thing.

Arbitration isn't court.

So since their paying for the arbitrator (and you agreed to this in the EULA),  It doesn't matter that you want to sue. You. Aren't. Allowed. to.  you MUST go through the arbitration process and in the right give up your right to a trial.

Until EULA's are ruled invalid by the supreme court or nullified by local legislation, you are farked. period.
 
2013-03-09 11:17:40 AM  

fluffy2097: Well here's the thing.

Arbitration isn't court.

So since their paying for the arbitrator (and you agreed to this in the EULA), It doesn't matter that you want to sue. You. Aren't. Allowed. to. you MUST go through the arbitration process and in the right give up your right to a trial.

Until EULA's are ruled invalid by the supreme court or nullified by local legislation, you are farked. period.


You're missing the part where I'm saying their EULA doesn't mean shiat and no one will consider it valid if you pressed it.

/but what I am surprised at is the lack of story about how Visa, Mastercard and the rest are roasting EA over all the charge backs they've had to process
 
2013-03-09 11:21:05 AM  

BumpInTheNight: You're missing the part where I'm saying their EULA doesn't mean shiat and no one will consider it valid if you pressed it.


People have been saying this for over a decade now, yet not one person has been able to get an EULA to court.

So it's still valid.

You can call your house Petoria and say you're an independent nation, but the rest of reality is going to disagree with you.

The EULA stands until it is proven in court to be invalid. You will be sodomized by EULA's until you get them into a court and PROVE they won't stand up.
 
2013-03-09 11:23:38 AM  

BumpInTheNight: /but what I am surprised at is the lack of story about how Visa, Mastercard and the rest are roasting EA over all the charge backs they've had to process


1: CC companies don't have to process those chargebacks because of the terms of the EULA (Which you accepted knowing there is no current legal way out of it)
2: A CC chargeback means EA suspends your origin account. If you have any games on origin other then sim city, a chargeback will permanently lock you out of them (again, something you agreed to in the EULA).
 
2013-03-09 11:26:26 AM  

fluffy2097: BumpInTheNight: You're missing the part where I'm saying their EULA doesn't mean shiat and no one will consider it valid if you pressed it.

People have been saying this for over a decade now, yet not one person has been able to get an EULA to court.

So it's still valid.

You can call your house Petoria and say you're an independent nation, but the rest of reality is going to disagree with you.

The EULA stands until it is proven in court to be invalid. You will be sodomized by EULA's until you get them into a court and PROVE they won't stand up.


My right to legal recourse trumps TL;DR lawyer wankfests.  No one has had to press a EULA to court because the EULA pushers know it won't hold.  This is where those out of court settlements occur.
 
2013-03-09 11:35:41 AM  

BumpInTheNight: fluffy2097: BumpInTheNight: You're missing the part where I'm saying their EULA doesn't mean shiat and no one will consider it valid if you pressed it.

People have been saying this for over a decade now, yet not one person has been able to get an EULA to court.

So it's still valid.

You can call your house Petoria and say you're an independent nation, but the rest of reality is going to disagree with you.

The EULA stands until it is proven in court to be invalid. You will be sodomized by EULA's until you get them into a court and PROVE they won't stand up.

My right to legal recourse trumps TL;DR lawyer wankfests.  No one has had to press a EULA to court because the EULA pushers know it won't hold.  This is where those out of court settlements occur.


This. There may be a lot of legal dickery permitted, but for a real world example, there is no way it would stand up in court if Ford made every car buyer sign a paper that said "the car we sell you may not even start in the lot. In fact, it doesn't even have an engine. Tough titty, pay up."
 
2013-03-09 11:36:15 AM  

fluffy2097: BumpInTheNight: /but what I am surprised at is the lack of story about how Visa, Mastercard and the rest are roasting EA over all the charge backs they've had to process

1: CC companies don't have to process those chargebacks because of the terms of the EULA (Which you accepted knowing there is no current legal way out of it)
2: A CC chargeback means EA suspends your origin account. If you have any games on origin other then sim city, a chargeback will permanently lock you out of them (again, something you agreed to in the EULA).


Btw, I dunno about you but my experience with Credit Card companies is one where they are very desperate for my business so they you know, do things that are reasonable if I ask of them as part of our business relationship.  ...and yah EA can suspend an account over a billing matter but I can extend the charge-back to include more then just that most recent purchase and you betcha my credit card company best side with me else I take my business to another one.

But this still all resides on a situation where I'd have opened myself up to this by purchasing an EA product that requires an Origin account in the first place and I know better then that.
 
2013-03-09 12:50:40 PM  

BumpInTheNight: Btw, I dunno about you but my experience with Credit Card companies is one where they are very desperate for my business so they you know, do things that are reasonable if I ask of them as part of our business relationship. ...and yah EA can suspend an account over a billing matter but I can extend the charge-back to include more then just that most recent purchase and you betcha my credit card company best side with me else I take my business to another one.


Yeah, sure. "I'd like a chargeback on this game I bought a year ago that i've used for 300 hours..."

That shiat don't fly my friend. But since you think braying like a jackass trumps the truth of the way the legal system works, I'm sure you think it will.

/Credit card chargebacks are like Mulligans.
//You'll get one free but every time after that and you get one hell of an investigation, as illegitimate chargebacks are form of fraud.
///but I'm sure your rights trump reality again.
 
2013-03-09 02:14:33 PM  

skinink: So in other words you're an idiot as well. When I got the original replies to my post I went looking for the developer's site for a solution and realised I had gone there before (Warner Bros). Their forums for AC does show the game does have various technical issues, and yadda yadda.

And also you can take your attitude and stuff it. Sorry my post seemed to piss in your cereal.


You're so adorable I just want to pinch your self-righteous cheeks!  You didn't "piss in my cereal", Sparky.  You made me smile because I see indignant children like you all of the time.

Every computer game ever made has "technical issues".  Every. Single. One.  When they work on a game, developers put together a list of 'known issues'; problems that either cannot be fixed or would require too great an expenditure of time and money to fix.  In most cases, no one outside of the company will ever see that list, but it's there.  No game ever hits the public without someone, somewhere (and it's usually multiple someones) having issues.  That is the nature of developing software for a platform that has a bare minimum of standards and nearly infinite possible hardware and software configurations.

I know that you desperately want Steam to be the bad guy in your personal little Greek tragedy (and you really want us all to know just how BAAAD Steam is), and I understand.  Disappointments are generally easier to deal with when you can blame someone else for them, especially when that someone failed to show you any sympathy.  But you know, you can take this situation as a learning experience, a chance to grow and become a better person, or you can continue to wallow in your indignation and sense of entitlement.  Either way, Fark will be here to mock you.
 
2013-03-09 02:23:24 PM  

fluffy2097: not one person has been able to get an EULA to court.


Step-Saver Data Systems, Inc. v. Wyse Technology and  Vault Corp. v. Quaid Software Ltd. (both cases in which the EULAs were found to be invalid) would disagree with you.  It's far from being definitively decided either way, but there is legal precedent for courts invalidating the terms of EULAs.
 
2013-03-09 09:59:15 PM  
The failed launch of SimCity marked the first establishment of a proof in the Simulation Hypothesis. The glitch in the system was seen by all. The world now knew that Electronic Arts had created the simulation of life as we know it. Nothing was real, except for their corporate interests. The year was actually 3056 Anno Spaghettio-I. The real joke was on these people. The real joke was that they were the simulation, playing games that simulated digital beings just like themselves. And they spent vast amounts of time in this simulation playing games that simulated digital beings just like themselves. It had become like rain on your wedding day. It had become ironic.
 
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