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(Kotaku)   After a flood of 1-star reviews and thousands of complaints, Amazon removes Sim City from the digital downloads. Don't worry though, you can still get it through Origin for the low price of $59.99* (*No guarantees it will actually work)   (kotaku.com) divider line 263
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2013-03-07 09:49:48 PM
Man, I bought this game so I could play my games while my wife plays simcity. They're screwing with my plan to play more halo! I need to find that reciept...
 
2013-03-07 09:50:29 PM

skinink: And Steam sold me the game. They need to support it, like they do with other games on their boards. But if it's not resolved and I lose money on a game I can't play then I pick the option of not buying games from Steam. Everyone wins out. Steam doesn't back the game they sold me and keeps the money for the game I can't play, and I don't lose any more money on Steam games.


Instead of demanding that they refund you, have you tried just describing the problem and asking if they have any ideas, or even just asking on the forums? Nicely?
 
2013-03-07 09:55:22 PM

meat0918: BumpInTheNight: Scruffinator: I don't know why I even bother with video game threads on here anymore.  Somebody mentions steam, I go check the store, now I just dropped 18 bucks on a game I bought ages ago and lost the disk to, probably for full price at the time, but oh it's in HD now but still doesn't come out for another month+, and I don't even have time to play the games I already bought during holiday sales that I've never played before.

I need to take, like, a month vacation.

You saw age of empires as well eh?

Oh no...


Oh yes.

/was playing AoE couple days ago on my 47" HDTV dreaming about such a thing.
 
2013-03-07 10:01:30 PM

Mike_LowELL: Seriously, it's a freakin' Sim City game.  Were people really anticipating this?


EA should have been.  They saw how many people were pre-ordering it, after all.
 
2013-03-07 10:11:11 PM

skinink: Fubini: skinink: CraicBaby: Steam is having a "CIty Sims That Work Offline" Sale.

Fark Steam. I bought "Batman - Arkham City" through them and the game crashes to the point where I can't play the game anymore (only finished 9% of it). Asked them for a refund or a credit and they would give neither. To top it off, it's only $8 they would have to credit me. I'm not buying any games that have to go through Steam, if it means I never play another game again. And that includes any new Portal or Half Life games.

Steam is a distribution service- they provide access to a game, but (normally) they don't provide support. If the game is crashing or otherwise not working you need to contact the developer/publisher/whomever is actually supposed to handle that.

The analog would be if you had software problems and demanded that Wal-Mart help you fix your computer. Since it's almost certainly a game issue, (not a distribution issue)  you would have the same problems with a disc you bought at a brick and mortar store, and they most certainly would not give you money back (or credit) for opened software.

Walmart sold the software so if I'm having problems with it, Walmart is the point of contact. And I wasn't demanding that Steam fix my computer. I simply told them the game isn't working and I needed help. Isn't there an EA thread up above showing that the SIMs game is farked, regardless of the PC it runs on? I can't understand why it's my fault. You guys act like games are sold without flaws and the consumer is always wrong.


Here's the thing:  Arkham City works great for the vast majority of people that play it.  You're an edge case.  This is not the same at all as the Sim City issue, where everybody is having problems.  Sim City is a defective product.  Arkham City is just you.

And no, Wal-Mart won't give you a refund on opened software either.  The best they'll do is let you exchange it for another copy of the same program.  It'd be nice if they did give you a refund on software, but that's just not the way it works.

skinink: And Steam sold me the game. They need to support it, like they do with other games on their boards. But if it's not resolved and I lose money on a game I can't play then I pick the option of not buying games from Steam. Everyone wins out. Steam doesn't back the game they sold me and keeps the money for the game I can't play, and I don't lose any more money on Steam games


It's really not Valve's game to support.  Their options are kind of limited.  They do have a community forum, where users like you can share their experiences and help each other through issues, but if you want professional technical support, then you really need to contact the people who actually made the game.  Or you can be all petulant about it and act like Valve somehow did you wrong, and get nothing for your 8 bucks in the process.  That works, too.
 
2013-03-07 10:19:26 PM

Mike_LowELL: Seriously, it's a freakin' Sim City game.  Were people really anticipating this?


I considered getting it on Tuesday, but I've been around long enough to expect a clusterfark.
 
2013-03-07 10:23:41 PM

Electrify: Actually, you can count me in as one who is seriously thinking of pirating it, who wasn't before.


Well, this is a special case. I even bought the game and i'd still pirate it just to be able to play it.

This may be the biggest. DRM. catastrophe. evar.
 
2013-03-07 10:30:53 PM

cman: Bender The Offender: cman: This About That: The acronym "EA", when printed on a software package, is really a new rating symbol. It means "DRM gone nuts".

What would you have them do? Not try at all? These companies have been affected by piracy and they are fighting back.

Yeah, it does suck, and yes, there will be some troubles; but you really cannot blame them for trying extreme actions.

This is the kind of shiat attitude that enables shiat companies like EA to saddle customers with shiat DRM. How the fark can you excuse them treating paying customers like criminals? I guess people will defend any farked up thing on the internet. I'm not the criminal. I pay for my goddamned software. If I pay $60 dollars for a game, then it should work right out of the box. There is no farking excuse whatsoever for my game to not work out of the box. I blame them, I blame them heavily. Not only do they screw honest customers with their shiatty DRM schemes, but then they nickel and dime the fark out of you with DLC for abilities like "sprint", or hotbars, or not going through 5 loading screens to get from 1 farking zone to another. EA is the definition of a shiat company with a shiat business ethos and an absolute contempt for their customers.

To think that EA considers their customers as the scum of the earth is laughable. Without customers they wouldnt be in business. They know this and they understand this. They are in the business to make money. If you treat your customers like shiat they won't spend their money.

EA board room doesnt meet with old men smoking cigars saying "How can we fark over everyone today?". That is the way that you are putting it.


I tend to agree that one should never attribute to wickedness that which can be attributed to incompetence and stupidity. It's paranoid.
 
2013-03-07 10:59:12 PM
jso2897: I tend to agree that one should never attribute to wickedness that which can be attributed to incompetence and stupidity. It's paranoid.

I (try to) treat everyone I meet with at least a minimum level of respect and decency until they've proven they deserve to be treated otherwise.  EA has reaffirmed time and again that they belong in the "cancer on society" subgroup of the "otherwise" category.
 
2013-03-07 11:00:59 PM
I've actually managed to play the new SimCity and it's pretty great.

That said, I've only managed to connect to the servers for a couple of hours in three days of trying, and I never managed to start a second city within the region, so... I like the game a lot, I just wish I could actually play it.

I'm never buying another EA game as long as they insist on using Always Connected as their DRM.
 
2013-03-07 11:05:53 PM

jso2897: cman: Bender The Offender: cman: This About That: The acronym "EA", when printed on a software package, is really a new rating symbol. It means "DRM gone nuts".

What would you have them do? Not try at all? These companies have been affected by piracy and they are fighting back.

Yeah, it does suck, and yes, there will be some troubles; but you really cannot blame them for trying extreme actions.

This is the kind of shiat attitude that enables shiat companies like EA to saddle customers with shiat DRM. How the fark can you excuse them treating paying customers like criminals? I guess people will defend any farked up thing on the internet. I'm not the criminal. I pay for my goddamned software. If I pay $60 dollars for a game, then it should work right out of the box. There is no farking excuse whatsoever for my game to not work out of the box. I blame them, I blame them heavily. Not only do they screw honest customers with their shiatty DRM schemes, but then they nickel and dime the fark out of you with DLC for abilities like "sprint", or hotbars, or not going through 5 loading screens to get from 1 farking zone to another. EA is the definition of a shiat company with a shiat business ethos and an absolute contempt for their customers.

To think that EA considers their customers as the scum of the earth is laughable. Without customers they wouldnt be in business. They know this and they understand this. They are in the business to make money. If you treat your customers like shiat they won't spend their money.

EA board room doesnt meet with old men smoking cigars saying "How can we fark over everyone today?". That is the way that you are putting it.

I tend to agree that one should never attribute to wickedness that which can be attributed to incompetence and stupidity. It's paranoid.


When you're dealing with the actions of major corporations (especially in any entertainment field), you need to add the possibility of conceit.  It's quite possible that The Powers That Be® within EA are so utterly full of themselves that they wholly believe that this sort of DRM is perfectly justified because the EA brand is "worth it."
 
2013-03-07 11:32:12 PM

jayhawk88: BumpInTheNight: Scruffinator: I don't know why I even bother with video game threads on here anymore.  Somebody mentions steam, I go check the store, now I just dropped 18 bucks on a game I bought ages ago and lost the disk to, probably for full price at the time, but oh it's in HD now but still doesn't come out for another month+, and I don't even have time to play the games I already bought during holiday sales that I've never played before.

I need to take, like, a month vacation.

You saw age of empires as well eh?

I didn't so much see it as I slipped into a euphoric dream state. The only way that news could have been better is if it was delivered by a naked Kate Upton.


Same here.  The moment I saw it, my hand drifted toward the "purchase" button and clicked it.  I couldn't stop myself, and I wouldn't want to.  It's just too beautiful.
 
2013-03-07 11:32:45 PM
Gamespot gave it a 5.0 out of 10.0, which is a pretty gutsy move of theirs against one of the biggest advertisers publishers around.
 
2013-03-07 11:51:40 PM

Cubicle Jockey: Gamespot gave it a 5.0 out of 10.0, which is a pretty gutsy move of theirs against one of the biggest advertisers publishers around.


Wow, that's a -1 review to us plebes.
 
2013-03-08 12:09:19 AM
Another game I want to buy, but never will.

/burn in hell, EA and DRM
 
2013-03-08 12:25:49 AM

Last Man on Earth: jayhawk88: BumpInTheNight: Scruffinator: I don't know why I even bother with video game threads on here anymore.  Somebody mentions steam, I go check the store, now I just dropped 18 bucks on a game I bought ages ago and lost the disk to, probably for full price at the time, but oh it's in HD now but still doesn't come out for another month+, and I don't even have time to play the games I already bought during holiday sales that I've never played before.

I need to take, like, a month vacation.

You saw age of empires as well eh?

I didn't so much see it as I slipped into a euphoric dream state. The only way that news could have been better is if it was delivered by a naked Kate Upton.

Same here.  The moment I saw it, my hand drifted toward the "purchase" button and clicked it.  I couldn't stop myself, and I wouldn't want to.  It's just too beautiful.


It gets ridiculous when other publishers decide to take full advantage of the Steam platform. Like 2K Games. Their rationale seems to be "If you buy our stuff, we'll give you  even more stuff." Have you looked at their pre-order bonuses for Bioshock Infinite? Mini-DLC, TF2 Items, the original Bioshock, and if enough people pre-order, X-Com. A game that is less than a year old and still sells at full price.
 
2013-03-08 12:45:02 AM
I miss the golden age of "Sim" games.  One of my favorite games was SimEarth, the Mars terraform scenario was really fun.
 
2013-03-08 12:58:48 AM
THIS IS WHY I NO LONGER BUY GAMES AT LAUNCH.   EVER.
 
2013-03-08 01:03:15 AM

Cubicle Jockey: Gamespot gave it a 5.0 out of 10.0, which is a pretty gutsy move of theirs against one of the biggest advertisers publishers around.


Isn't gamespot going to be shut down anyway? It might explain why they're biting the hand that once fed them.
 
2013-03-08 01:03:59 AM
that cyberpunk 2077 looks cool.

what is the name of the game that was in the playstation 4 video on here a few weeks ago, where the character was using his cell phone to hack atm's and traffic lights?

that game might actually get me to buy the new console.
 
2013-03-08 01:39:00 AM

hawcian: It gets ridiculous when other publishers decide to take full advantage of the Steam platform. Like 2K Games. Their rationale seems to be "If you buy our stuff, we'll give you  even more stuff." Have you looked at their pre-order bonuses for Bioshock Infinite? Mini-DLC, TF2 Items, the original Bioshock, and if enough people pre-order, X-Com. A game that is less than a year old and still sells at full price.


The X-Com pre-order was actually how I got Civ 5.
 
2013-03-08 01:50:25 AM

Arumat: A game that is less than a year old and still sells at full price.


Skyrim is the same, still full price.
 
kab
2013-03-08 01:55:47 AM
Anyone who buys a title from this piece of shiat company deserves every headache that comes along with it.

What_Would_Jimi_Do: Skyrim is the same, still full price.


40 bucks on Steam currently.
 
2013-03-08 02:00:29 AM

kab: 40 bucks on Steam currently.


i swear i thought i saw it 59.99 a few days ago. same with borderlands 2.

i could have been wrong.
 
2013-03-08 02:12:18 AM

CraicBaby: Steam is having a "CIty Sims That Work Offline" Sale.


As someone who plays games very infrequently, I was kinda looking forward to the new Sims and actually purchasing it.

After the Ars Technica review and this crap, I'll just have the SO take advantage of the Steam sale for me I suppose.  Thanks.

/I have Comcast simply because it's the only f--king game in town
//so I'd like to have games that work when the internet cuts out for some odd reason
 
2013-03-08 02:56:35 AM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: CraicBaby: Steam is having a "CIty Sims That Work Offline" Sale.

As someone who plays games very infrequently, I was kinda looking forward to the new Sims and actually purchasing it.

After the Ars Technica review and this crap, I'll just have the SO take advantage of the Steam sale for me I suppose.  Thanks.

/I have Comcast simply because it's the only f--king game in town
//so I'd like to have games that work when the internet cuts out for some odd reason



<facepalm>
 
2013-03-08 03:10:10 AM

ZeroCorpse: THIS IS WHY I NO LONGER BUY GAMES AT LAUNCH. EVER.


I got a Borderlands 2 pre-order bundled with a video card that I was going to buy anyway. The files showed up for download on Steam a few days before the launch. On the day, there was a small update which unlocked them and that was it. Almost painless except for a bit of futzing around with .net library updates.
 
2013-03-08 04:51:04 AM
All I can say is this is my problem with "always on" verification methods.  It's not that I'm a filthy pirate, it's not that I have objections to the publisher "securing their intellectual property", it's that I want my ability to play the game to be dependent solely on my equipment.  Not the publisher's, not my ISP's, just what I have in my computer.  That's not too much to ask for a single player game, is it?

Well, apparently EA and Blizzard think so.
 
2013-03-08 05:16:31 AM
Even if simcity had a flawless launch, EA loves dropping severs for games.
 
2013-03-08 06:02:51 AM
I think even if I buy this game I will use a pirate copy (it will probably use a local server proxy and have local saves and no multiplayer and most of all no DRM so it will continue working)

I don`t want multiplayer sim city. I like single player games. I like games I can play without connecting to the internet. Don`t get me wrong, I also like MMORPGs n stuff but I don`t see the need to go online to play a single player game.
 
2013-03-08 06:27:41 AM

aracnop: Even if simcity had a flawless launch, EA loves dropping severs for games.


It is one of underlying limitations of an online only game - it is fine if the game is crap so you never play it anyway, or okay but once you played it through there is no reason you would never want to play it again, but if you end up really liking the game sooner or later it will be pulled out from under you as uneconomic (except in the rare instances of consumer friendly companies that create the ability for fans to run their own servers or convert it to single player when they turn off the servers, but we can safely assume EA is never going to do something like that).

So basically for me most online games are a no-go: why bother when there is no meaningful upside from a players perspective, as if you like it you will just get stuffed later when they turn it off. The only exceptions would be games where the online part is the core mechanic that makes the game work (like an MMORPG), certainly not for games like Diablo 3 or SimCity where the online interactions are non-essential or trivial.
 
2013-03-08 06:31:01 AM
Yeah, just checked my favourite torrent site and there is a torrent available, simcity+patch+crack, which has comments saying it works fine so if you have bought a copy and cannot play then download a cracked copy and then you can play...

Freakin DRM, how does that encourage piracy?
 
2013-03-08 07:28:58 AM

Ivo Shandor: ZeroCorpse: THIS IS WHY I NO LONGER BUY GAMES AT LAUNCH. EVER.

I got a Borderlands 2 pre-order bundled with a video card that I was going to buy anyway. The files showed up for download on Steam a few days before the launch. On the day, there was a small update which unlocked them and that was it. Almost painless except for a bit of futzing around with .net library updates.


I just bought Tomb Raider a few days before the launch and it worked fine. This isn't a game at launch problem, this is a servers at launch for online only DRM enabled games that have no real need to be online on servers anyway.
 
2013-03-08 07:51:01 AM
What happened to you Electronic Arts? You used to be so damned cool.

upload.wikimedia.org
upload.wikimedia.org
upload.wikimedia.org
upload.wikimedia.org
upload.wikimedia.org
open-tube.com

Etc.
 
2013-03-08 07:54:31 AM
cman:
What would you have them do? Not try at all? These companies have been affected by piracy and they are fighting back.

I know it's 168 posts later, but let me just add:

No they haven't, you don't know anything about piracy in the video game industry, please take your ignorance back to the politics tab.

Thanks.
 
2013-03-08 08:16:33 AM

What_Would_Jimi_Do: kab: 40 bucks on Steam currently.

i swear i thought i saw it 59.99 a few days ago. same with borderlands 2.

i could have been wrong.


Steam does include Skyrim in their massive sales, so you don't have to pay full price for it.
 
2013-03-08 08:17:40 AM

tlchwi02: Pre-recorded movies, music, and computer/video game software and circuit cartridges must be returned within  90 days in the original and unopened packaging.....


Keyword champ. He installed the game, which requires opening the package, which voids the return policy. All major retailers have the same policy. Not saying I agree with it, but no one allows returns on unopened software, only exchanges for the same software.
 
2013-03-08 08:18:29 AM
YodaBlues: unopened opened

Ugh, too early.
 
Xai
2013-03-08 08:29:29 AM

cman: This About That: The acronym "EA", when printed on a software package, is really a new rating symbol. It means "DRM gone nuts".

What would you have them do? Not try at all? These companies have been affected by piracy and they are fighting back.

Yeah, it does suck, and yes, there will be some troubles; but you really cannot blame them for trying extreme actions.


so many companies have perfected a level of DRM that works, steam, for example, is a great blend of drm and distribution. What is more is that ubisoft had the same style of drm, with the same issues and it created more piracy than before. They have ignored the lessons of the past and that is why people are berating them.
 
2013-03-08 08:30:31 AM

What_Would_Jimi_Do: Arumat: A game that is less than a year old and still sells at full price.

Skyrim is the same, still full price.


I got Skyrim for 29.99 during their Christmas sale. They're so predictable that's actually what I planned on doing- I delayed buying a PC game because I knew I'd be able to get it at Christmas for 50% off, that's basically their shtick now.

Same for Borderlands 2.
 
2013-03-08 08:42:29 AM

What_Would_Jimi_Do: Arumat: A game that is less than a year old and still sells at full price.

Skyrim is the same, still full price.


Skyrim was sold at $39.99 on release?

/Additionally, SimCity appears to be available through Amazon again.
//Will not purchase it or any other EA game, ever.
 
2013-03-08 08:43:21 AM
Nice to see that some comments made in the Geeks Tab is as clueless and confrontational as comments from the Politics Tab.
 
rpm
2013-03-08 08:59:30 AM

What_Would_Jimi_Do: what is the name of the game that was in the playstation 4 video on here a few weeks ago, where the character was using his cell phone to hack atm's and traffic lights?


Watch Dogs. It's not a PS4 exclusive, PS3, 360, Wii U as well.

The designer recently left, so I don't know how that bodes for the game.
 
2013-03-08 09:18:14 AM
 
2013-03-08 09:26:07 AM
This is specifically why I pirate games.

For the most part, I know what I'm going to like. If I'm fairly certain I will like it, I don't mind dropping money on it right away. If I get burned because it sucks, it was my fault for being too presumptuous, but then I know to be more careful next time.

If I really have no idea, I pirate the game, or if I can, try it on someone else's system. If I like, I buy. If I don't, I'll ditch it. Company wasn't going to get my money without me testing it and if there's not a lot of enjoyment or replayability, then I wouldn't buy it. Being able to pirate games allows me to play a lot more games than if I just said, "Well, I'll drop some money on this game and HOPE I like it." "Nope, that sucked, well, I can't afford to try anything else right now..."

Last game I technically "bought" and didn't enjoy was Diablo 3. And maybe that doesn't count. At the time, my laptop was on its last legs and I wasn't sure I'd be able to play the game at all. But I got it from the yearly pass with WoW, that I knew I was going to pay for anyway, so basically free game. Sure enough, much like Star Craft, it was chuggy and hard to play most of the time, but I still enjoyed Starcraft. Diablo 3 had multiple reasons I was unhappy with it.
 
2013-03-08 09:36:32 AM

Space Station Wagon: Simcity 4 Deluxe on sale for $16 and some change on amazon

http://www.amazon.com/SimCity-4-Deluxe-Edition-Download/dp/B00457VJ3 G/ ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1362752205&sr=8-1&keywords=simcity+4


Wonder if I can activate the key on Steam....
 
2013-03-08 09:37:36 AM
$60 for a new title?  Can you hear me laughing?  Because I'm laughing pretty F'ing hard.  No. Not yours.  If a title is affiliated with Ubisoft or EA it's an automatic no buy.  They've abused my trust too much.  Horribly invasive/crippling DRM is a deal breaker. Forever.

If I simply MUST play a game by a company on my black list, I pirate it.  I simply do not care about large company profitability.  If a new title comes out that I want and it's by anyone else, I'll pirate it and wait for the price to come down to my reasonable spending level.  ~$20 or less.

Nickle and dime me with DLC?  I'll pirate your game and wait for a cheap GOTY edition.  The only time I pay full price for a game at launch is when I want to support the developer and/or the price is >$15.

/my 2 cents.
 
2013-03-08 09:38:36 AM

INeedAName: StreetlightInTheGhetto: CraicBaby: Steam is having a "CIty Sims That Work Offline" Sale.

As someone who plays games very infrequently, I was kinda looking forward to the new Sims and actually purchasing it.

After the Ars Technica review and this crap, I'll just have the SO take advantage of the Steam sale for me I suppose.  Thanks.

/I have Comcast simply because it's the only f--king game in town
//so I'd like to have games that work when the internet cuts out for some odd reason


<facepalm>


Sometimes, it's easy to see who reads the thread and who doesn't.
 
2013-03-08 09:39:31 AM

skinink: Nice to see that some comments made in the Geeks Tab is as clueless and confrontational as comments from the Politics Tab.


That's what happens when you come in here and say clueless shiat.  Pro Tip: Unless you're dealing with a situation like this new Sim City where everyone is having a problem, you will never get sympathy on Fark with a "Game X didn't work for me, WAAAA!" post (especially if you follow that up with "So I'll never buy from Steam again!"  Folks 'round here loves their Steam).  A number of people on Fark work in various computer fields and have zero tolerance for entitled whinging about computer and/or software issues.

And to save you some time:

• Yes, the problem you encountered was with your setup and not the game.  That is not open for discussion; if Arkham City had shipped broken, there'd have been a geek outcry the likes of which has never been seen before or since.  This is not an indictment of you as a person, sometimes a given configuration just doesn't work with a given application.  The only way I was able to get Metro 2033 to run on my rig was to get a different brand of the same model of video card, for example.
• No, Steam doesn't owe you jack shiat because something on your system wouldn't let you play a game they sold you.  That's how the software retail industry works, get used to it.
• Yes, you are well within your rights to no longer patronize Steam over that $8.  Just as we're well within our rights to laugh at you and point out just how poor that decision was.
• And just in case you're still clueless as to why your initial post got the response it did, it was because you came into a SimCity/EA biatchfest and whined about how Steam didn't cater to your demands.  You're the guy who walks into a Pets With Cancer support group and says, "Oh yeah?  Well, my cat scratched my hand the other day, so I dropped him off at the nearest animal shelter.  I aint gonna live with no cat that scratches me."
 
2013-03-08 09:44:53 AM

ZeroCorpse: THIS IS WHY I NO LONGER BUY GAMES AT LAUNCH.   EVER.


That's been my policy for years, but like so many addicts, I periodically backslide.  Paradox's Hearts of Iron 3 caused me to break my vow.  And it was horrible (WWII game where Finland invades Pacific Islands, Mexico invades Germany in 1937, etc, etc).  The pre-release reviews were glowing since they reviewed the games on its 'potential' and not the actual game that came in the box.

Three years later and I've never bought another Paradox title.
 
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