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(Kotaku)   After a flood of 1-star reviews and thousands of complaints, Amazon removes Sim City from the digital downloads. Don't worry though, you can still get it through Origin for the low price of $59.99* (*No guarantees it will actually work)   (kotaku.com) divider line 263
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2013-03-07 08:05:36 PM
I've tried at least 10 times a day for the last 3 days. Bought the DVD. Still doesn't work due to "Unable to contact server" problems.
 
2013-03-07 08:06:05 PM
All that said... I'm kinda pissed off I missed the 75% off Civ 5 sale they had the other day on steam.
 
2013-03-07 08:07:00 PM

Banana$$$Stand: Smelly McUgly: Tax Boy: CraicBaby: Steam is having a "CIty Sims That Work Offline" Sale.

[i.imgur.com image 850x544]

I am not seeing this when I log into steam, which is a shame as I have wanted to give Tropico a run forever. I mean, sure, I was planning to get into Warhammer this weekend and play some more Alien Crossfire, but Tropico 3 for three bucks and change sounds great!

Maybe it's a good thing that I can't see this screen when I log in.

It is a photoshop. Good old games however, did actually tweet that they were selling sim city 2000 drm free as soon as they heard about EA server problems.


Q: Being the special edition, is this the version of SimCity which has pre-built versions of real cities? I have the Windows 95 disc lying around somewhere anyways, but was just curious.
 
2013-03-07 08:12:20 PM

eddievercetti: [i.imgur.com image 600x800]


Need to update that with a few more asterisks.
"By 'DLC', we mean bug fixes..."
 
2013-03-07 08:13:31 PM

germ78: All that said... I'm kinda pissed off I missed the 75% off Civ 5 sale they had the other day on steam.


Useful feature is to add it to your wishlist, and you get an email from Steam when it goes on sale.
 
2013-03-07 08:16:12 PM
To all the shills that parrot the tired shiat stained excuse of "EA is doing it because they HAVE to to stay in business due to the evil nasty nasty pirates"
Riddle me this Sherlock, how is it that CDPROJEKT is still in business?
They did what EA said is absolute suicide, unthinkable, unworkable, can't ever happen, death sentence to their company. They released a triple A title with NO DRM AT ALL. They are about to release the third game in the series.
As has been said, pirates won't ever buy your shiatty product. All you are doing by putting these obsessive, and in the end run, ineffective measures is pissing off your customers.
Well, not totally true, you are also teaching them to pirate. See what happened with Spore.
But, that chicken won't fark itself now will it.
 
2013-03-07 08:23:38 PM
You know, I was just thinking of playing through Arkham City again before I realized the new Sim City was out.  I guess I'll go do that since this thing won't freaking load.
 
2013-03-07 08:24:06 PM

Luse: To all the shills that parrot the tired shiat stained excuse of "EA is doing it because they HAVE to to stay in business due to the evil nasty nasty pirates"
Riddle me this Sherlock, how is it that CDPROJEKT is still in business?
They did what EA said is absolute suicide, unthinkable, unworkable, can't ever happen, death sentence to their company. They released a triple A title with NO DRM AT ALL. They are about to release the third game in the series.
As has been said, pirates won't ever buy your shiatty product. All you are doing by putting these obsessive, and in the end run, ineffective measures is pissing off your customers.
Well, not totally true, you are also teaching them to pirate. See what happened with Spore.
But, that chicken won't fark itself now will it.


Oh pft.  Everybody knows that software piracy totally killed...um...er...hold on...give me a few minutes, and I know I can totally come up with a software development house or publisher that was driven out of business by piracy.

/Definitely looking forward to The Witcher 3.
 
2013-03-07 08:27:18 PM

The WindowLicker: It takes a large investment of time and resources to produce most top tier games these days.  The game-play quality aside, the amount of skilled labor and production hours that go into them is vast.  A company has to make their costs back in sales or they go out of business.  They can't afford the loss of potential.  If you pirate their game, you are reducing the revenue they need to pay the programmers and designers for making the title.  It is not a loss of potential, it is use of a produced good without reimbursing the manufacturer.


And that is completely farking irrelevant.  They're going to make the same amount of sales with or without piracy, though I would argue more without for this one (anecdotal, but I don't care) reason:  I don't keep up with gaming news; I've been out of it for quite a while mainly due to the contempt I have for the industry in general for reasons just like this one.  Despite that, in just this last week I was playing Simcity on my SNES emulator and remembered how much I enjoyed it.  That got me to thinking that maybe I should pick up the newest version the next time a new one comes around.  Lo-and-behold, here comes a brand new version of Simcity!  Awesome, just what I was hankering for!  Except then I see that they are pulling this same tired DRM bullshiat.  And because of that, I will not buy this game, ever.  There is absolutely nothing they can do, no offer they can make, that will convince me to give them a single penny for this game.  But I will pirate it the first chance I get.  And not because I feel like I'm entitled to something for free; I would have been perfectly willing to pay for the game IF it had been offered in an honest and upfront manner.  Instead they hold it out with one hand while clutching a knife behind their back with the other.  And if that's the way they want to be, fine.  If they want to treat me like a criminal then I will be more than happy to oblige.
 
2013-03-07 08:28:28 PM
This is such a damn shame. After years of that "Sims" BS we finally get back to Sim City and... they completely monkey it up.
 
2013-03-07 08:32:05 PM
There's always LinCity. DRM free!
i1-linux.softpedia-static.com
 
2013-03-07 08:33:48 PM

Luse: To all the shills that parrot the tired shiat stained excuse of "EA is doing it because they HAVE to to stay in business due to the evil nasty nasty pirates"
Riddle me this Sherlock, how is it that CDPROJEKT is still in business?
They did what EA said is absolute suicide, unthinkable, unworkable, can't ever happen, death sentence to their company. They released a triple A title with NO DRM AT ALL. They are about to release the third game in the series.


What game is that?
I only know they as the good old games guys.  Selling old games that somebody else developed arguably has a much lower cost than developing a new one.
 
2013-03-07 08:38:55 PM

serial_crusher: Luse: To all the shills that parrot the tired shiat stained excuse of "EA is doing it because they HAVE to to stay in business due to the evil nasty nasty pirates"
Riddle me this Sherlock, how is it that CDPROJEKT is still in business?
They did what EA said is absolute suicide, unthinkable, unworkable, can't ever happen, death sentence to their company. They released a triple A title with NO DRM AT ALL. They are about to release the third game in the series.

What game is that?
I only know they as the good old games guys.  Selling old games that somebody else developed arguably has a much lower cost than developing a new one.


CDPROJEKT does The Witcher games.
 
2013-03-07 08:41:48 PM

Counter_Intelligent: CraicBaby: Steam is having a "CIty Sims That Work Offline" Sale.

Nope.


I don't see it either.  Ometra - City of Gangsters doesn't count.


germ78: I'm kinda pissed off I missed the 75% off Civ 5 sale they had the other day on steam.


Wait.  They've had a number of fire sales for Civ5.
 
2013-03-07 08:44:38 PM

jayhawk88: BumpInTheNight: Scruffinator: I don't know why I even bother with video game threads on here anymore.  Somebody mentions steam, I go check the store, now I just dropped 18 bucks on a game I bought ages ago and lost the disk to, probably for full price at the time, but oh it's in HD now but still doesn't come out for another month+, and I don't even have time to play the games I already bought during holiday sales that I've never played before.

I need to take, like, a month vacation.

You saw age of empires as well eh?

I didn't so much see it as I slipped into a euphoric dream state. The only way that news could have been better is if it was delivered by a naked Kate Upton.


Yeah, that song brought back some great memories.  4 v 4 lan parties lasting for hours.  Maps stripped of resources.  Armies so big just moving them slowed the game down.
 
2013-03-07 08:45:15 PM

serial_crusher: Luse: To all the shills that parrot the tired shiat stained excuse of "EA is doing it because they HAVE to to stay in business due to the evil nasty nasty pirates"
Riddle me this Sherlock, how is it that CDPROJEKT is still in business?
They did what EA said is absolute suicide, unthinkable, unworkable, can't ever happen, death sentence to their company. They released a triple A title with NO DRM AT ALL. They are about to release the third game in the series.

What game is that?
I only know they as the good old games guys.  Selling old games that somebody else developed arguably has a much lower cost than developing a new one.


The Witcher series.
I think your confusion comes from the fact that they were the first company to launch a major title (Witcher 2) on GOG.com.
 
2013-03-07 08:45:42 PM

I created this alt just for this thread: Make up your mind, was it the game or was it Steam? If it was Steam that was causing the problem, you might have a legitimate gripe. However, I'm putting money on it being an issue with the game and your configuration (which happens...not every game runs on every system, even when you meet the requirements), which means that you're a whiny biatch with an overdeveloped sense of entitlement for expecting Steam to be different from every other software retailer in existence and give you a refund.

A simple scenario. Someone buys a game. It works for a bit, then stops. They troubleshoot the game, but can't get it to work with their system. The retailer that sells the game says, "Sorry, no refunds."

Your reaction: "Steam wont counter their own policies, which happen to be the industry standard, and give me a refund, therefore Steam is the worstest!"
A mature adult reaction: "It's not Steam's fault this game doesn't work, perhaps I should contact the people who actually make the game and see what they might be able to do for me."

Get the fark over yourself and stop blaming Steam because they wouldn't capitulate to your whiny demands that should have been directed to Rocksteady and/or WB Interactive in the first place. We "projected" that you were a jerk because you came in here and posted like a farking jerk. Jerk.


wait, you're arguing that a retailer shouldn't give a refund on a defective product? I've seen some fanboi in my day, but this takes the cake
 
2013-03-07 08:47:06 PM

germ78: CraicBaby: Steam is having a "CIty Sims That Work Offline" Sale.

Where have you seen that? I keep looking all over the steam store for it (I want to share it with a friend who was interested in Cities XL) but keep coming up emptyhanded. And I've seen the screengrabs for it, so I know it exists.


sportsillustrated.cnn.com

Here's a pic of the original
 
2013-03-07 08:47:14 PM

Luse: To all the shills that parrot the tired shiat stained excuse of "EA is doing it because they HAVE to to stay in business due to the evil nasty nasty pirates"
Riddle me this Sherlock, how is it that CDPROJEKT is still in business?
They did what EA said is absolute suicide, unthinkable, unworkable, can't ever happen, death sentence to their company. They released a triple A title with NO DRM AT ALL. They are about to release the third game in the series.


Ironclad games did the same thing with Sins of a Solar Empire and i believe it was even more popular. First version i played wasn't paid for, then i went and bought it. LOTS of people do that, and big game companies just refuse to accept anything positive can come from pirating at all. There are those freeloaders who just pirate everything and go years without paying a cent for anything, but i don't think it's as common as many think. An avid gamer these days does both, even if very few admit it in public.

I still think a lot of the people who say "Oh, you put DRM on this, so i'm going to pirate it. That'll show you" wouldn't have bought it anyway. I don't think they're fooling anyone. Just one of the few times when they can justify their pirating.
 
2013-03-07 08:52:21 PM

skinink: CraicBaby: Steam is having a "CIty Sims That Work Offline" Sale.

Fark Steam. I bought "Batman - Arkham City" through them and the game crashes to the point where I can't play the game anymore (only finished 9% of it). Asked them for a refund or a credit and they would give neither. To top it off, it's only $8 they would have to credit me. I'm not buying any games that have to go through Steam, if it means I never play another game again. And that includes any new Portal or Half Life games.


Steam is a distribution service- they provide access to a game, but (normally) they don't provide support. If the game is crashing or otherwise not working you need to contact the developer/publisher/whomever is actually supposed to handle that.

The analog would be if you had software problems and demanded that Wal-Mart help you fix your computer. Since it's almost certainly a game issue, (not a distribution issue)  you would have the same problems with a disc you bought at a brick and mortar store, and they most certainly would not give you money back (or credit) for opened software.
 
2013-03-07 08:56:14 PM

Fubini: The analog would be if you had software problems and demanded that Wal-Mart help you fix your computer. Since it's almost certainly a game issue, (not a distribution issue) you would have the same problems with a disc you bought at a brick and mortar store, and they most certainly would not give you money back (or credit) for opened software.


what? since when? from walmarts website:

Pre-recorded movies, music, and computer/video game software and circuit cartridges must be returned within  90 days in the original and unopened packaging with a receipt to receive a refund or exchange. If the above-referenced items are defective, they can be returned within  90 days with a receipt and the original packaging. Defective units may be exchanged for another unit of the same title.Defective pre-owned (refurbished) video game software can be returned within  90 days with a receipt and the original packaging. Defective units may be exchanged for another unit of a different title if original title is not availableif i go into a walmart within 90 days with something i bought and say "this doesn't work" they don't try and install it on a basic machine and see if it works, they give me my money back...
 
2013-03-07 08:56:22 PM
I'm going to commit what I consider a bit of a crime and plug my own blog to express my feelings on the matter.  http://brutallyhonestblogging.com/post/44798281663/the-new-simcity-is - pretty-much-a-scam#_=_

/consider this a non-shameless plug
 
2013-03-07 08:58:02 PM

tlchwi02: wait, you're arguing that a retailer shouldn't give a refund on a defective product? I've seen some fanboi in my day, but this takes the cake


Retailers, digital or not, have never given refunds on opened/used software. They can replace physical media, like if an installation disc is physically broken, but they won't give you money back or store credit. This is how software has always worked, and it goes back to the fact that you license software instead of actually owning it.

Back in the old days a lot of game publishers would actually print refund instructions in the manual, because as the licensor they were the only ones with the legal authority to do so. I never tried it though, so I don't know if they actually would or not.

Steam will happily provide you with as many digital copies of the software as you'd want, but they can't change the terms of the license between you and the publisher/developer after you've agreed to the EULA.
 
2013-03-07 09:00:17 PM

tlchwi02: Pre-recorded movies, music, and computer/video game software and circuit cartridges must be returned within  90 days in the original and unopened packaging with a receipt to receive a refund or exchange. If the above-referenced items are defective, they can be returned within  90 days with a receipt and the original packaging. Defective units may be exchanged for another unit of the same title.Defective pre-owned (refurbished) video game software can be returned within  90 days with a receipt and the original packaging. Defective units may be exchanged for another unit of a different title if original title is not availableif i go into a walmart within 90 days with something i bought and say "this doesn't work" they don't try and install it on a basic machine and see if it works, they give me my money back...


You have failed to read your own quotation, and therefore I declare you a troll. By the exact passage you have quoted, the only way you get money back is if you return the item in the original and  unopened package. If the item is opened but defective, they will give you a replacement.

Defective units may be exchanged for another unit of the same title.
 
rpm
2013-03-07 09:01:12 PM

Luse: To all the shills that parrot the tired shiat stained excuse of "EA is doing it because they HAVE to to stay in business due to the evil nasty nasty pirates"
Riddle me this Sherlock, how is it that CDPROJEKT is still in business?
They did what EA said is absolute suicide, unthinkable, unworkable, can't ever happen, death sentence to their company. They released a triple A title with NO DRM AT ALL. They are about to release the third game in the series.


You forgot something.

They actually released that title two different ways. One without DRM, one with DRM. The one pirated the most is the one with DRM.
 
2013-03-07 09:01:38 PM
i1321.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-07 09:02:06 PM

Fubini: Retailers, digital or not, have never given refunds on opened/used software. They can replace physical media, like if an installation disc is physically broken, but they won't give you money back or store credit. This is how software has always worked, and it goes back to the fact that you license software instead of actually owning it.


i have returned opened software to best buy on more than one occasion when it did not work. they gave me store credit. i posted walmarts return policy in software above and they say within 90 days they will accept returns on software, even if opened, as long as you tell them it wont work (is defective)
 
2013-03-07 09:04:17 PM

rpm: Luse: To all the shills that parrot the tired shiat stained excuse of "EA is doing it because they HAVE to to stay in business due to the evil nasty nasty pirates"
Riddle me this Sherlock, how is it that CDPROJEKT is still in business?
They did what EA said is absolute suicide, unthinkable, unworkable, can't ever happen, death sentence to their company. They released a triple A title with NO DRM AT ALL. They are about to release the third game in the series.

You forgot something.

They actually released that title two different ways. One without DRM, one with DRM. The one pirated the most is the one with DRM.


Not entirely correct.
They released the crack on their own website on launch, because they didn't want to upset their other customers. How's that for a lesson on how to treat your customers?
 
2013-03-07 09:09:03 PM

cman: These companies have been affected by piracy and they are fighting back.


EA has been dealing with software piracy since their logo looked like this:
upload.wikimedia.org
They should know by this point that anti-piracy schemes never work well.
 
2013-03-07 09:11:17 PM

tlchwi02: Fubini: Retailers, digital or not, have never given refunds on opened/used software. They can replace physical media, like if an installation disc is physically broken, but they won't give you money back or store credit. This is how software has always worked, and it goes back to the fact that you license software instead of actually owning it.

i have returned opened software to best buy on more than one occasion when it did not work. they gave me store credit. i posted walmarts return policy in software above and they say within 90 days they will accept returns on software, even if opened, as long as you tell them it wont work (is defective)


When it comes to software, "doesn't work" ≠ "defective".  Just because the wage-slaves at WalMart don't understand that, doesn't mean that no one else does.

The best analogy for the poster that started this whole kerfluffle would be buying a DVD in Pal format at WalMart, discovering you couldn't play it on your NTSC player, then refusing to ever shop at WalMart again when they refused to refund you for your opened, and functional, DVD.
 
2013-03-07 09:12:23 PM

Teufelaffe: Luse: To all the shills that parrot the tired shiat stained excuse of "EA is doing it because they HAVE to to stay in business due to the evil nasty nasty pirates"
Riddle me this Sherlock, how is it that CDPROJEKT is still in business?
They did what EA said is absolute suicide, unthinkable, unworkable, can't ever happen, death sentence to their company. They released a triple A title with NO DRM AT ALL. They are about to release the third game in the series.
As has been said, pirates won't ever buy your shiatty product. All you are doing by putting these obsessive, and in the end run, ineffective measures is pissing off your customers.
Well, not totally true, you are also teaching them to pirate. See what happened with Spore.
But, that chicken won't fark itself now will it.

Oh pft.  Everybody knows that software piracy totally killed...um...er...hold on...give me a few minutes, and I know I can totally come up with a software development house or publisher that was driven out of business by piracy.

/Definitely looking forward to The Witcher 3.


That and their take on Cyberpunk 20-whatever
 
2013-03-07 09:12:30 PM
The idea of paying sixty bucks for a product that won't even work in a few years is insane. Does anyone really think the servers are going to authorize you to be able to play this in four years? The older Sim Cities, on the other hand, I can still play...and often do. This will be the first version I haven't bought. Good job, EA.

In your attempt to keep some thief from getting something they wouldn't pay for, you've made this customer, who is always happy to shell out the cash, unwilling to buy your product. Good job guys.

It's your right to be an a$$hat. Free market and all that. It's also my right to say I won't pay for this crap.
 
2013-03-07 09:13:54 PM

Luse: To all the shills that parrot the tired shiat stained excuse of "EA is doing it because they HAVE to to stay in business due to the evil nasty nasty pirates"
Riddle me this Sherlock, how is it that CDPROJEKT is still in business?
They did what EA said is absolute suicide, unthinkable, unworkable, can't ever happen, death sentence to their company. They released a triple A title with NO DRM AT ALL. They are about to release the third game in the series.
As has been said, pirates won't ever buy your shiatty product. All you are doing by putting these obsessive, and in the end run, ineffective measures is pissing off your customers.
Well, not totally true, you are also teaching them to pirate. See what happened with Spore.
But, that chicken won't fark itself now will it.


Witcher wins because boobies.
 
2013-03-07 09:15:47 PM

J. Frank Parnell: Luse: To all the shills that parrot the tired shiat stained excuse of "EA is doing it because they HAVE to to stay in business due to the evil nasty nasty pirates"
Riddle me this Sherlock, how is it that CDPROJEKT is still in business?
They did what EA said is absolute suicide, unthinkable, unworkable, can't ever happen, death sentence to their company. They released a triple A title with NO DRM AT ALL. They are about to release the third game in the series.

Ironclad games did the same thing with Sins of a Solar Empire and i believe it was even more popular. First version i played wasn't paid for, then i went and bought it. LOTS of people do that, and big game companies just refuse to accept anything positive can come from pirating at all. There are those freeloaders who just pirate everything and go years without paying a cent for anything, but i don't think it's as common as many think. An avid gamer these days does both, even if very few admit it in public.

I still think a lot of the people who say "Oh, you put DRM on this, so i'm going to pirate it. That'll show you" wouldn't have bought it anyway. I don't think they're fooling anyone. Just one of the few times when they can justify their pirating.


Actually, you can count me in as one who is seriously thinking of pirating it, who wasn't before. Most off the digital content on my hard disk is legit, purchased from iTunes, Steam, Kindle, etc. The industry has finally figured out that people will buy their digital releases, if you are fair with them. The worst I will do is watch music videos and TV episodes from YouTube.

However, in SimCity's case, EA has seriously dropped the ball. I don't even mind the "always on DRM" thing, my internet connection is fairly reliable. But this utter lack of respect for the customers with this DRM server fiasco is simply unacceptable. We are going on three days with little to no progress, and nothing to compensate the consumer. As soon as the security has been hacked and I figure out how to use BitTorrent, it is mine.
 
2013-03-07 09:17:27 PM

Luse: They did what EA said is absolute suicide, unthinkable, unworkable, can't ever happen, death sentence to their company. They released a triple A title with NO DRM AT ALL. They are about to release the third game in the series.


The truly insane thing is that DRM itself doesn't have to be terrible - Steam (in cases where it's the DRM and not just the distribution service, I mean, like Portal 2 and Skyrim), for instance. I know that other Farkers disagree, but I've never had a negative experience with it, and it comes with a bonus modding community and occasionally free DLC. That's the sort of DRM I can live with.

EA, though? EA is the anti-Valve. Their black hole of Olympic-level failure has lost them what was otherwise going to be a very solid sale from a life-long SimCity fan. Good work, retards.
 
2013-03-07 09:21:12 PM

eddievercetti: [i.imgur.com image 600x800]


Technically speaking, Arcos are back as a great works in SimCity (2013).
 
2013-03-07 09:21:33 PM

eddievercetti: [i.imgur.com image 600x800]


Is it sad that I've been playing this game, on and off, for twenty years, and yet I still love it just as much as the first time I played it?

Smelly McUgly: I know. Someone had a font-matching issue in making that 'shop. But I was hoping for this poster answering with "put in the Konami code and it pops up" or some such answer. :)


Ah, my bad. A lot of people seem to be falling for that one, is all. :)
 
2013-03-07 09:22:13 PM

LesserEvil: Many who did NOT buy this might have bought it, regardless of the availability of pirate versions of it or not, but chose not to because of the onerous always-connected DRM.


I would absolutely, 100%, buy this game if it did not require any internet connection to play. I have every previous SimCity game, after all. I can fire up SC2K, 20 years old, and run it with no problems whatsoever. But I will not be beholden to an authentication server that will not exist 20 years from now.
 
2013-03-07 09:27:38 PM

Counter_Intelligent: That and their take on Cyberpunk 20-whatever


what what whaaaat?
 
2013-03-07 09:28:48 PM

chaoswolf: Counter_Intelligent: That and their take on Cyberpunk 20-whatever

what what whaaaat?


Yup. The tabletop RPG.
 
2013-03-07 09:28:59 PM

chaoswolf: Counter_Intelligent: That and their take on Cyberpunk 20-whatever

what what whaaaat?


found it.
 
2013-03-07 09:29:03 PM

chaoswolf: Counter_Intelligent: That and their take on Cyberpunk 20-whatever

what what whaaaat?


Cyberpunk 2077
 
2013-03-07 09:29:12 PM
I have a different take on piracy of this game especially.

1.  If I get a pirated copy of this game, I would play it so often that I wouldn't be pirating other games, music, movies and TV... so this would actually slow down piracy.

2.  After playing it for so many hours, I would want to tell everyone how great of a game it was.  I'd be embarrassed to say that I had a pirated copy of it, so I would inspire others to go and buy it.  They should consider me a marketing tool.

Maybe I can charge them for all the business I would drum up.

//just kidding
 
2013-03-07 09:32:26 PM
Oh wow.... maybe there IS a game I'll be paying full price for after all... I enjoyed both Witchers and really dug the old tabletop Cyberpunk.
 
2013-03-07 09:33:37 PM
Unfortunately, looks like Amazon has started selling it again.

Almost 1k 1-star reviews.  Lol
 
2013-03-07 09:34:07 PM

Fluorescent Testicle: Luse: They did what EA said is absolute suicide, unthinkable, unworkable, can't ever happen, death sentence to their company. They released a triple A title with NO DRM AT ALL. They are about to release the third game in the series.

The truly insane thing is that DRM itself doesn't have to be terrible - Steam (in cases where it's the DRM and not just the distribution service, I mean, like Portal 2 and Skyrim), for instance. I know that other Farkers disagree, but I've never had a negative experience with it, and it comes with a bonus modding community and occasionally free DLC. That's the sort of DRM I can live with.

EA, though? EA is the anti-Valve. Their black hole of Olympic-level failure has lost them what was otherwise going to be a very solid sale from a life-long SimCity fan. Good work, retards.


The difference is goodwill. I use Steam and I like the service. Yes, it's DRM, and that makes me twitch, but it also patches my games, updates my drivers and lets me buy good games I've skipped in the past for dirt cheap with sales. The difference is with Steam, I'll buy your product once it's cheap enough. I'll pay original retail on anything CDPROJECT puts out. They've shown consistent quality, and more importantly, a respect for their customer base. (Sins of the Solar is simply not my type of game, otherwise they'd have my money too)

EA can EABOD. They won't see a dime from me. Mostly because they like shiatting on their customers, but also because their products are fundamentally broken for me. I travel too much. I use single player games to entertain myself on long flights, which I can't do with any new EA product.
I will walk into my favorite bar and buy everyone a round the day I hear EA has filed for bankruptcy.
 
2013-03-07 09:35:14 PM
Oh man I can't wait to not play this game. The game is forced online? Why? Sim City has always been primarily a single player game. Well, now you have to play multiplayer with strangers who can have a significant influence on your city even if they don't care about you, which they won't. Wonderful. Oh and your save files are kept on EA's servers? Enjoy EA shutting down those servers in a few years making it impossible to play the game. A big part of Sim City 4 was it's modability. EA claims they plan on adding mods into the new Sim City, but they can't possibly because it's a forced multiplayer game and that would unbalance play. Thanks for the lies EA. They added curved roads, but unfortunately the size of the cities are about half the size of maps in Sim City 2000 so curved roads take up far too much space to be useful. Oh, and if you get a random cliff in the middle of your city you can't get rid of it because you can't terraform anymore. Now your city is even smaller. It was fun to make huge regional transportation networks in Sim City 4, but thankfully EA got rid of that. Now there's just automatically a highway outside your city. They've also removed the other enjoyable transit modes like subways, rail, ferries, and airports. Don't worry, I'm sure there will be overpriced DLC that will add that stuff in. Enjoy not having farms or control over density too.

Hey everyone who bought Sim City 5. You're farking stupid. All you had to do to realize this game was shiat was to look at it for five farking seconds. That's it. Anyone with a brain could realize that this game was going to be awful. Yet you bought it anyway. I hope you get your money back, but stop buying video games because you're awful at it and you're ruining the industry for people who actually enjoy video games. If I'm buying something for over $25 I'm actually going to do some research to make sure it doesn't suck. You idiots are like pigeons in a conditioning experiment. Yeah, pushing the green button use to give you good games, but now it's giving you electric shocks. Maybe stop pushing it.
 
2013-03-07 09:38:27 PM

Luse: The difference is goodwill. I use Steam and I like the service. Yes, it's DRM, and that makes me twitch, but it also patches my games, updates my drivers and lets me buy good games I've skipped in the past for dirt cheap with sales. The difference is with Steam, I'll buy your product once it's cheap enough. I'll pay original retail on anything CDPROJECT puts out. They've shown consistent quality, and more importantly, a respect for their customer base. (Sins of the Solar is simply not my type of game, otherwise they'd have my money too)

EA can EABOD. They won't see a dime from me. Mostly because they like shiatting on their customers, but also because their products are fundamentally broken for me. I travel too much. I use single player games to entertain myself on long flights, which I can't do with any new EA product. I will walk into my favorite bar and buy everyone a round the day I hear EA has filed for bankruptcy.


Agreed entirely, up to and including the round. I was giving them one last chance just because I enjoy SimCity so much, but they blew it.
 
2013-03-07 09:42:42 PM

Foxxinnia: Hey everyone who bought Sim City 5. You're farking stupid. All you had to do to realize this game was shiat was to look at it for five farking seconds. That's it. Anyone with a brain could realize that this game was going to be awful. Yet you bought it anyway.


For the record (not directed at you), I did wait to see the reviews before purchasing, so at least I'm not out any money, I'm just annoyed. :P
 
2013-03-07 09:44:45 PM

Fubini: skinink: CraicBaby: Steam is having a "CIty Sims That Work Offline" Sale.

Fark Steam. I bought "Batman - Arkham City" through them and the game crashes to the point where I can't play the game anymore (only finished 9% of it). Asked them for a refund or a credit and they would give neither. To top it off, it's only $8 they would have to credit me. I'm not buying any games that have to go through Steam, if it means I never play another game again. And that includes any new Portal or Half Life games.

Steam is a distribution service- they provide access to a game, but (normally) they don't provide support. If the game is crashing or otherwise not working you need to contact the developer/publisher/whomever is actually supposed to handle that.

The analog would be if you had software problems and demanded that Wal-Mart help you fix your computer. Since it's almost certainly a game issue, (not a distribution issue)  you would have the same problems with a disc you bought at a brick and mortar store, and they most certainly would not give you money back (or credit) for opened software.


Walmart sold the software so if I'm having problems with it, Walmart is the point of contact. And I wasn't demanding that Steam fix my computer. I simply told them the game isn't working and I needed help. Isn't there an EA thread up above showing that the SIMs game is farked, regardless of the PC it runs on? I can't understand why it's my fault. You guys act like games are sold without flaws and the consumer is always wrong.

And Steam sold me the game. They need to support it, like they do with other games on their boards. But if it's not resolved and I lose money on a game I can't play then I pick the option of not buying games from Steam. Everyone wins out. Steam doesn't back the game they sold me and keeps the money for the game I can't play, and I don't lose any more money on Steam games.
 
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