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2013-03-07 04:42:31 PM
I guarantee it won't work
 
2013-03-07 05:13:15 PM
The acronym "EA", when printed on a software package, is really a new rating symbol. It means "DRM gone nuts".
 
2013-03-07 05:50:01 PM

This About That: The acronym "EA", when printed on a software package, is really a new rating symbol. It means "DRM gone nuts".


What would you have them do? Not try at all? These companies have been affected by piracy and they are fighting back.

Yeah, it does suck, and yes, there will be some troubles; but you really cannot blame them for trying extreme actions.
 
2013-03-07 05:52:38 PM
Steam is having a "CIty Sims That Work Offline" Sale.
 
2013-03-07 05:53:49 PM
They can do whatever they want and so can we.  We don't have to buy their crap.
 
2013-03-07 06:06:24 PM
I miss the days that games worked out of the box.  The ability to patch software like it's an MMO doesn't make it alright to patch software like it's an MMO.
 
2013-03-07 06:07:17 PM

CraicBaby: Steam is having a "CIty Sims That Work Offline" Sale.


are they really? damn im at work!
 
2013-03-07 06:07:18 PM

cman: What would you have them do? Not try at all? These companies have been affected by piracy and they are fighting back


I'd have them do it in a way that doesn't screw the customers who want to buy the game like these people.

I say good, maybe they'll try something different now.
 
2013-03-07 06:07:39 PM

cman: This About That: The acronym "EA", when printed on a software package, is really a new rating symbol. It means "DRM gone nuts".

What would you have them do? Not try at all? These companies have been affected by piracy and they are fighting back.

Yeah, it does suck, and yes, there will be some troubles; but you really cannot blame them for trying extreme actions.


6/10

Too much sympathy
 
2013-03-07 06:07:50 PM

cman: This About That: The acronym "EA", when printed on a software package, is really a new rating symbol. It means "DRM gone nuts".

What would you have them do? Not try at all? These companies have been affected by piracy and they are fighting back.

Yeah, it does suck, and yes, there will be some troubles; but you really cannot blame them for trying extreme actions.


I honestly don't know, but is there a problem with a one-time, online activation process (I understand that CD Keys can be easily cracked) that doesn't require a constant online connection for a farking single-player game?

I like having my laptop as a portable, all-contained gaming unit.  I don't have to worry about getting stuck in a hotel with shiatty wi-fi, a third-world country or a remote FOB without internet at all, or going to visit my older relatives that have old-ass TVs you can't easily plug a modern console into it.  Or they don't have wi-fi at all.

There were times when Neverwinter Nights, Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn, KOTOR (not SWOTOR), or Morrowind made the dreaded trip to my rural relatives bearable, or getting bumped YET AGAIN off the Freedom Bird out of Kuwait.
 
2013-03-07 06:11:43 PM

cman: This About That: The acronym "EA", when printed on a software package, is really a new rating symbol. It means "DRM gone nuts".

What would you have them do? Not try at all? These companies have been affected by piracy and they are fighting back.

Yeah, it does suck, and yes, there will be some troubles; but you really cannot blame them for trying extreme actions.


What would I have them do?  Stop worrying about pirates and start worrying about customers.  Constantly worrying about the actions of people who have no intention of paying for your software is stupid.  Inconveniencing the people who will pay for your software is even more stupid.  The number of sales and future sales they are losing over this is going to be higher than the number of sales they gain from piracy protection.

For a business supposedly in the business of making money, EA has been making some spectactularily stupid decisions of late.  Hopefully they wise up before it's too late.
 
2013-03-07 06:12:42 PM

cman: This About That: The acronym "EA", when printed on a software package, is really a new rating symbol. It means "DRM gone nuts".

What would you have them do? Not try at all? These companies have been affected by piracy and they are fighting back.

Yeah, it does suck, and yes, there will be some troubles; but you really cannot blame them for trying extreme actions.


When Steam has been able to make it work, EA has no excuse.
 
2013-03-07 06:12:54 PM

TwoHead: They can do whatever they want and so can we.  We don't have to buy their crap.


This would make sense, except that people still do buy their crap.  What you or i do doesn't matter.  if they sold a million copies, they'll think they can continue to get away with this.  Because they can get away with this.

It won't change, because big name games and companies dominate the advertising market, so those are the ones that get exposure, and get sold.  I remember learning that the advertisers are biased back when I played a game called One Must Fall: Battlegrounds, about which a gamespy article got published about it, slamming it and deriding so much about it.  Unfortunately, the reviewer had forgotten to actually play the game (or at least he skipped both tutorials and the controls part of the options), and it was obvious only because I'd played the game since it's beta.   It turned out, as we learned, that larger companies could pay the reviewers for high ratings.

So, what happens is we get this vicious cycle where the big companies can pay for good reviews, which people read, and then use as a reason to buy the big company's games.  They see sales, regardless of actual feedback, and make more stuff in the same format, where they pay reviewers with the money from the last shiatty game to promote the new one.  People read it, think the issues must be fixed, and buy the new shiat, ad nauseum.

Think of any game developer that is larger than an indie studio that pays attention to their forums.  Can't, can you?  The sale's been made, they don't really need to.
 
2013-03-07 06:14:16 PM
I fired up 4 and installed a few addons.

I'll stick with that until the DRM is fixed and the game is $20 or so.
 
2013-03-07 06:15:17 PM
I wonder if this kind of thing actually results in more sales from all the press.
 
2013-03-07 06:15:45 PM

CraicBaby: Steam is having a "CIty Sims That Work Offline" Sale.


Nope.
 
2013-03-07 06:15:52 PM
Amazon has been refunding people who purchased the game and cannot play it.

Sounds like they got tired of processing refunds.
 
2013-03-07 06:20:47 PM

CraicBaby: Steam is having a "CIty Sims That Work Offline" Sale.


Fark Steam. I bought "Batman - Arkham City" through them and the game crashes to the point where I can't play the game anymore (only finished 9% of it). Asked them for a refund or a credit and they would give neither. To top it off, it's only $8 they would have to credit me. I'm not buying any games that have to go through Steam, if it means I never play another game again. And that includes any new Portal or Half Life games.
 
2013-03-07 06:22:00 PM

Banana$$$Stand: Amazon has been refunding people who purchased the game and cannot play it.

Sounds like they got tired of processing refunds.


What sucks is that Amazon is eating that cost.  They're paying because they run a good business.

EA lied, and isn't refunding the game.  Essentially, they're getting away with what really should turn into a lawsuit.


spamdog: I wonder if this kind of thing actually results in more sales from all the press.


I'll bet it does.  People hear it and there must be some kids who think they're leet buying it to see if they can make it work.  There must be people in a few days when it works who will buy it to see what the fuss was about.  There must be some little old grannies who hear the title on the news assume it's a trending game, and buy it for little Billy.
 
2013-03-07 06:22:30 PM

skinink: CraicBaby: Steam is having a "CIty Sims That Work Offline" Sale.

Fark Steam. I bought "Batman - Arkham City" through them and the game crashes to the point where I can't play the game anymore (only finished 9% of it). Asked them for a refund or a credit and they would give neither. To top it off, it's only $8 they would have to credit me. I'm not buying any games that have to go through Steam, if it means I never play another game again. And that includes any new Portal or Half Life games.


Question for you.

Does your cape collapse when you attempt a certain jump?
 
2013-03-07 06:22:31 PM

cman: This About That: The acronym "EA", when printed on a software package, is really a new rating symbol. It means "DRM gone nuts".

What would you have them do? Not try at all? These companies have been affected by piracy and they are fighting back.

Yeah, it does suck, and yes, there will be some troubles; but you really cannot blame them for trying extreme actions.


Because piracy is such a big deal. Piracy is not a lose in sales. Piracy is a lost to "potential"  People that pirate games are not looking to buy the game in the first place. Hell look at minecraft. Notch the creator of the game tweeted to a fan "Just pirate it. If you still like it when you can afford it in the future, buy it then. Also don't forget to feel bad."

He goes on to say this in a blog post "If someone pirates Minecraft instead of buying it, it means I've lost some "potential" revenue. Not actual revenue, as I can never go into debt by people pirating the game too much, but I might've made even more if that person had bought the game instead. But what if that person likes that game, talks about it to his or her friends, and then I manage to convince three of them to buy the game? I'd make three actual sales instead of blocking out the potentially missed sale of the original person which never cost me any money in the first case. "

The problem with EA is they treat their customers like criminals. They release shiat games with DRM that is just very invasive then expect to nickel and dime the paying customer. EA is surviving on Madden and Fifa. They lost over 300 million on SWOTOR. Then made that terrible game into a free to play mmo that nickel and dimes the loyal customers.

All in all EA needs to be wiped off of the planet.
 
2013-03-07 06:24:24 PM

CraicBaby: Steam is having a "CIty Sims That Work Offline" Sale.


Its a shoop, a really funny one that if Steam had balls would make real since EA is pretty much dead to them.  (Since Origin EA stopped selling anything new Steam apart from Sims add-ons to support the legacy pre-orgin Sims 3)  I already own towns but I'd buy it again just to support Steam and spite EA for this.

/great game Towns is
//just have to get past the graphics and rusty first-time devs' current UI
 
2013-03-07 06:25:32 PM

skinink: CraicBaby: Steam is having a "CIty Sims That Work Offline" Sale.

Fark Steam. I bought "Batman - Arkham City" through them and the game crashes to the point where I can't play the game anymore (only finished 9% of it). Asked them for a refund or a credit and they would give neither. To top it off, it's only $8 they would have to credit me. I'm not buying any games that have to go through Steam, if it means I never play another game again. And that includes any new Portal or Half Life games.


wow, really?

I've bought a few games that don't work on my laptop, which run on my desktop, but I've only bought a few that don't work at all on my desktop.  Steam has always had decent support for me, and has had someone who would help me to get it running.

besides, the issue sounds like it was with the game, not Steam which is almost entirely just a delivery platform.  Unless the crash was related to their overlay layer, you went to the wrong people.

I'm genuinely surprised at the trouble you're having, unless your "one problem means i can never use the service again grrr" attitude is something you carried over on the phone, in which case, i don't blame them for not helping you.
 
2013-03-07 06:25:58 PM

This About That: The acronym "EA", when printed on a software package, is really a new rating symbol. It means "DRM gone nuts".


Rated EA... BOD.
 
2013-03-07 06:25:59 PM

Bhruic: cman: This About That: The acronym "EA", when printed on a software package, is really a new rating symbol. It means "DRM gone nuts".

What would you have them do? Not try at all? These companies have been affected by piracy and they are fighting back.

Yeah, it does suck, and yes, there will be some troubles; but you really cannot blame them for trying extreme actions.

What would I have them do?  Stop worrying about pirates and start worrying about customers.  Constantly worrying about the actions of people who have no intention of paying for your software is stupid.  Inconveniencing the people who will pay for your software is even more stupid.  The number of sales and future sales they are losing over this is going to be higher than the number of sales they gain from piracy protection.

For a business supposedly in the business of making money, EA has been making some spectactularily stupid decisions of late.  Hopefully they wise up before it's too late.


The approach I advocate is to make the games easily accessible at a reasonable* price.  I know several people that will pirate a game simply BECAUSE it has DRM built into it.  If EA would take their "pirates are putting us out of business" blinders off, they might actually see that all those people out there interested in their games are customers, rather than enemies to be defeated.  Instead they'd rather waste thousands to millions of dollars jamming in extra hassles for people who want their game, and the 1 or 2 people that will buy it just to crack it and put it out there for people who were never going to pay for it, think the DRM is too much of a sacrifice, or can't afford the price point they put on it.

*I'm aware that not everybody will agree on what "reasonable" is

/I play emulated games
//I only have ROMs of games I otherwise already own a legitimate copy of
 
2013-03-07 06:28:37 PM
I like steam. Haven't had a problem with it yet. Got civilization 5 for like 7.50 last weekend because I waited to buy it since it didn't seem to be received well initially and I still played civ IV like a madman. I'm digging the new culture based civics, still getting over not being able to stack a billion guys together and roll through a city but it seems like I'm going to be liking this one. It runs a bit slower than 4 as well but not too much slower. Between that and crusader kings 2 that I bought off of amazon on sale for 10 bucks a few weeks ago I think I will get a good 200 to 300 hundred hours of entertainment for 15 dollars. I might pick up this sim city when the price drops, I like building a megatropolis syle city and with a 200k population limit and small maps EA can't get bent if they expect me to dole out full price for a "new" game that doesn't let me play how I want to play.
 
2013-03-07 06:29:10 PM

poopsoup48: cman: This About That: The acronym "EA", when printed on a software package, is really a new rating symbol. It means "DRM gone nuts".

What would you have them do? Not try at all? These companies have been affected by piracy and they are fighting back.

Yeah, it does suck, and yes, there will be some troubles; but you really cannot blame them for trying extreme actions.

Because piracy is such a big deal. Piracy is not a lose in sales. Piracy is a lost to "potential"  People that pirate games are not looking to buy the game in the first place. Hell look at minecraft. Notch the creator of the game tweeted to a fan "Just pirate it. If you still like it when you can afford it in the future, buy it then. Also don't forget to feel bad."

He goes on to say this in a blog post "If someone pirates Minecraft instead of buying it, it means I've lost some "potential" revenue. Not actual revenue, as I can never go into debt by people pirating the game too much, but I might've made even more if that person had bought the game instead. But what if that person likes that game, talks about it to his or her friends, and then I manage to convince three of them to buy the game? I'd make three actual sales instead of blocking out the potentially missed sale of the original person which never cost me any money in the first case. "

The problem with EA is they treat their customers like criminals. They release shiat games with DRM that is just very invasive then expect to nickel and dime the paying customer. EA is surviving on Madden and Fifa. They lost over 300 million on SWOTOR. Then made that terrible game into a free to play mmo that nickel and dimes the loyal customers.

All in all EA needs to be wiped off of the planet.


I agreed with you up until you brought up SWTOR.

SWTOR wasn't a loss, and an mmo switching to a free-to-play model is common.  I'm almost positive they make more money that way, and they planned on it.  they intentionally launched with more servers and only subscription options to up the hype, intending to condense and switch after the initial curiosity for the game died down.  It's not failing, it wasn't ever a loss of money for them, and you now sound like an idiot who doesn't have any clue what the hell you're talking about.

granted, i otherwise agree with you, and wouldn't mind EA being relegated to history books for sports fanatics and nothing more.
 
2013-03-07 06:29:47 PM

CraicBaby: Steam is having a "CIty Sims That Work Offline" Sale.


how would i go about seeing this? i don't see it anywhere in the store. difficulty: i only use steam to play the orange box games.
 
2013-03-07 06:29:49 PM

IronJelly: skinink: CraicBaby: Steam is having a "CIty Sims That Work Offline" Sale.

Fark Steam. I bought "Batman - Arkham City" through them and the game crashes to the point where I can't play the game anymore (only finished 9% of it). Asked them for a refund or a credit and they would give neither. To top it off, it's only $8 they would have to credit me. I'm not buying any games that have to go through Steam, if it means I never play another game again. And that includes any new Portal or Half Life games.

wow, really?

I've bought a few games that don't work on my laptop, which run on my desktop, but I've only bought a few that don't work at all on my desktop.  Steam has always had decent support for me, and has had someone who would help me to get it running.

besides, the issue sounds like it was with the game, not Steam which is almost entirely just a delivery platform.  Unless the crash was related to their overlay layer, you went to the wrong people.

I'm genuinely surprised at the trouble you're having, unless your "one problem means i can never use the service again grrr" attitude is something you carried over on the phone, in which case, i don't blame them for not helping you.


It was $8, it probably cost steam more then that worth of customer service drone-time to deal with him then they earned from that sale.  It wasn't even just the game, that game is a stable one (no bethesda v1 release), his system's at fault and he wants a refund or swear off the biggest PC gaming platform there is because of an $8 game he couldn't get working on his computer.  I'm sure steam is quivering over that income loss.
 
2013-03-07 06:29:53 PM

meat0918: Does your cape collapse when you attempt a certain jump?


I'm pretty sure that was only in Arkham Asylum, not Arkham City.
 
2013-03-07 06:30:33 PM

divgradcurl: how would i go about seeing this?


You won't.  It's a shoop.
 
2013-03-07 06:31:24 PM

cman: This About That: The acronym "EA", when printed on a software package, is really a new rating symbol. It means "DRM gone nuts".

What would you have them do? Not try at all? These companies have been affected by piracy and they are fighting back.

Yeah, it does suck, and yes, there will be some troubles; but you really cannot blame them for trying extreme actions.


This is the kind of shiat attitude that enables shiat companies like EA to saddle customers with shiat DRM. How the fark can you excuse them treating paying customers like criminals? I guess people will defend any farked up thing on the internet. I'm not the criminal. I pay for my goddamned software. If I pay $60 dollars for a game, then it should work right out of the box. There is no farking excuse whatsoever for my game to not work out of the box. I blame them, I blame them heavily. Not only do they screw honest customers with their shiatty DRM schemes, but then they nickel and dime the fark out of you with DLC for abilities like "sprint", or hotbars, or not going through 5 loading screens to get from 1 farking zone to another. EA is the definition of a shiat company with a shiat business ethos and an absolute contempt for their customers.
 
2013-03-07 06:31:49 PM

cman: This About That: The acronym "EA", when printed on a software package, is really a new rating symbol. It means "DRM gone nuts".

What would you have them do? Not try at all? These companies have been affected by piracy and they are fighting back.

Yeah, it does suck, and yes, there will be some troubles; but you really cannot blame them for trying extreme actions.


is this another one of those "entitled gamer" arguments?

their product doesn't work, and their greed is making their products worse in general, who cares if it's EA? they can go cry to their shareholders if they feel like they're not getting enough money, consumers should only expect a product they can use and be entertained... anything else you expect gamers to do like white-knight defend publishers is pure bullshiat
 
2013-03-07 06:32:03 PM

Arumat: The approach I advocate is to make the games easily accessible at a reasonable* price.  I know several people that will pirate a game simply BECAUSE it has DRM built into it.  If EA would take their "pirates are putting us out of business" blinders off, they might actually see that all those people out there interested in their games are customers, rather than enemies to be defeated.  Instead they'd rather waste thousands to millions of dollars jamming in extra hassles for people who want their game, and the 1 or 2 people that will buy it just to crack it and put it out there for people who were never going to pay for it, think the DRM is too much of a sacrifice, or can't afford the price point they put on it.

*I'm aware that not everybody will agree on what "reasonable" is



This is why i'm a fan of the DLC DRM model.  Either make the base game cheap, or don't worry about people pirating it.  Make it good, make it still feel complete on it's own.  Then release DLC that's actually good, comprehensive, and worth having, and make sure that only legitimate copies can use the DLC.
*by DLC, i mean whole amounts of content, not extra skins, or one more dungeon, but something closer to an expansion pack.  The Shivering Isles was a good example of this.
 
2013-03-07 06:34:41 PM

AdamK: cman: This About That: The acronym "EA", when printed on a software package, is really a new rating symbol. It means "DRM gone nuts".

What would you have them do? Not try at all? These companies have been affected by piracy and they are fighting back.

Yeah, it does suck, and yes, there will be some troubles; but you really cannot blame them for trying extreme actions.

is this another one of those "entitled gamer" arguments?

their product doesn't work, and their greed is making their products worse in general, who cares if it's EA? they can go cry to their shareholders if they feel like they're not getting enough money, consumers should only expect a product they can use and be entertained... anything else you expect gamers to do like white-knight defend publishers is pure bullshiat


What is up with the powerword "White Knight" making a huge push into mainstream? I say that I understand why they do what they do then OMG WHITE KNIGHT OMGWTFBBQ!
 
2013-03-07 06:35:16 PM

poopsoup48: Because piracy is such a big deal. Piracy is not a lose in sales. Piracy is a lost to "potential" People that pirate games are not looking to buy the game in the first place. Hell look at minecraft. Notch the creator of the game tweeted to a fan "Just pirate it. If you still like it when you can afford it in the future, buy it then. Also don't forget to feel bad."


I agree with Notch, but he is also forgetting that his shop operates differently than a AAA games producer.

It takes a large investment of time and resources to produce most top tier games these days.  The game-play quality aside, the amount of skilled labor and production hours that go into them is vast.  A company has to make their costs back in sales or they go out of business.  They can't afford the loss of potential.  If you pirate their game, you are reducing the revenue they need to pay the programmers and designers for making the title.  It is not a loss of potential, it is use of a produced good without reimbursing the manufacturer.

This is also why I am bothered by people who claim that piracy is not theft because you are only copying.  Do these people also feel that stiffing a hooker is ok because she still has her lady-parts?
 
2013-03-07 06:35:43 PM

cman: Yeah, it does suck, and yes, there will be some troubles; but you really cannot blame them for trying extreme actions.


Yeah, I can.  Its inconvenience to legitimate users is evident, and it removes what should be my property rights as the owner of a product.  As a potential customer, I can choose not to buy their product because of this.  And I did.
 
2013-03-07 06:38:02 PM

cman: What is up with the powerword "White Knight" making a huge push into mainstream? I say that I understand why they do what they do then OMG WHITE KNIGHT OMGWTFBBQ!


As I understand it, that's exactly what White Knighting is.  the discussion is about how much they suck, not how much we misunderstand their point, if we do.

//and i don't think a few people knowing the term on fark qualifies as mainstream.  2/10.
 
2013-03-07 06:38:42 PM

Counter_Intelligent: cman: Yeah, it does suck, and yes, there will be some troubles; but you really cannot blame them for trying extreme actions.

Yeah, I can.  Its inconvenience to legitimate users is evident, and it removes what should be my property rights as the owner of a product.  As a potential customer, I can choose not to buy their product because of this.  And I did.


Especially when other methods of DRM work better then the "always online" crap that always seems to fail on launch.

I see the reasoning behind DRM, but I do not see the reasoning behind such draconian DRM like this.
 
2013-03-07 06:39:04 PM

skinink: CraicBaby: Steam is having a "CIty Sims That Work Offline" Sale.

Fark Steam. I bought "Batman - Arkham City" through them and the game crashes to the point where I can't play the game anymore (only finished 9% of it). Asked them for a refund or a credit and they would give neither. To top it off, it's only $8 they would have to credit me. I'm not buying any games that have to go through Steam, if it means I never play another game again. And that includes any new Portal or Half Life games.


How did you determine that the crash was Steam's fault?

As for not giving you a refund or credit, that's pretty much standard for every company on Earth that sells software, so it's not like Steam is being unusually mean by not letting you have one, especially since the "fault" with the product is almost definitely on your end and has nothing to do with them.

/Wondering whether we'll get the "It can't be my machine because it's new!", "Arkham City is the only game that's ever crashed for me ever in my entire life!", or the "I don't care if it's my machine that's the problem, I bought it from Steam so it's their responsibility to fix it" response.
 
2013-03-07 06:40:54 PM

The WindowLicker: poopsoup48: Because piracy is such a big deal. Piracy is not a lose in sales. Piracy is a lost to "potential" People that pirate games are not looking to buy the game in the first place. Hell look at minecraft. Notch the creator of the game tweeted to a fan "Just pirate it. If you still like it when you can afford it in the future, buy it then. Also don't forget to feel bad."

I agree with Notch, but he is also forgetting that his shop operates differently than a AAA games producer.

It takes a large investment of time and resources to produce most top tier games these days.  The game-play quality aside, the amount of skilled labor and production hours that go into them is vast.  A company has to make their costs back in sales or they go out of business.  They can't afford the loss of potential.  If you pirate their game, you are reducing the revenue they need to pay the programmers and designers for making the title.  It is not a loss of potential, it is use of a produced good without reimbursing the manufacturer.

This is also why I am bothered by people who claim that piracy is not theft because you are only copying.  Do these people also feel that stiffing a hooker is ok because she still has her lady-parts?


Maybe so, but your hooker can't also be diddling some other guy at the same time.  You're not going to (probably) recommend her to your friends, nor are they going to see you doing things to her and think they want a piece of that.  If you stiff her, her time was wasted and she knows it.
 
2013-03-07 06:40:56 PM

Counter_Intelligent: divgradcurl: how would i go about seeing this?

You won't.  It's a shoop.


another liar on the internet!?!?!?! the hell you say... ok, thanks anyways. i must remember to 'enhance' my bio some time and become less gullible
 
2013-03-07 06:41:32 PM

Bender The Offender: cman: This About That: The acronym "EA", when printed on a software package, is really a new rating symbol. It means "DRM gone nuts".

What would you have them do? Not try at all? These companies have been affected by piracy and they are fighting back.

Yeah, it does suck, and yes, there will be some troubles; but you really cannot blame them for trying extreme actions.

This is the kind of shiat attitude that enables shiat companies like EA to saddle customers with shiat DRM. How the fark can you excuse them treating paying customers like criminals? I guess people will defend any farked up thing on the internet. I'm not the criminal. I pay for my goddamned software. If I pay $60 dollars for a game, then it should work right out of the box. There is no farking excuse whatsoever for my game to not work out of the box. I blame them, I blame them heavily. Not only do they screw honest customers with their shiatty DRM schemes, but then they nickel and dime the fark out of you with DLC for abilities like "sprint", or hotbars, or not going through 5 loading screens to get from 1 farking zone to another. EA is the definition of a shiat company with a shiat business ethos and an absolute contempt for their customers.


To think that EA considers their customers as the scum of the earth is laughable. Without customers they wouldnt be in business. They know this and they understand this. They are in the business to make money. If you treat your customers like shiat they won't spend their money.

EA board room doesnt meet with old men smoking cigars saying "How can we fark over everyone today?". That is the way that you are putting it.
 
2013-03-07 06:42:20 PM

The WindowLicker: poopsoup48: Because piracy is such a big deal. Piracy is not a lose in sales. Piracy is a lost to "potential" People that pirate games are not looking to buy the game in the first place. Hell look at minecraft. Notch the creator of the game tweeted to a fan "Just pirate it. If you still like it when you can afford it in the future, buy it then. Also don't forget to feel bad."

I agree with Notch, but he is also forgetting that his shop operates differently than a AAA games producer.

It takes a large investment of time and resources to produce most top tier games these days.  The game-play quality aside, the amount of skilled labor and production hours that go into them is vast.  A company has to make their costs back in sales or they go out of business.  They can't afford the loss of potential.  If you pirate their game, you are reducing the revenue they need to pay the programmers and designers for making the title.  It is not a loss of potential, it is use of a produced good without reimbursing the manufacturer.

This is also why I am bothered by people who claim that piracy is not theft because you are only copying.  Do these people also feel that stiffing a hooker is ok because she still has her lady-parts?


The biggest thing is balance. Is piracy an issue for publishers? Undoubtedly, and they are allowed to address it how they see fit. However if their solution ends up creating a problem like this one where you can't play the goddamn game it's pretty safe to say that they farked up and this isn't a good way to stop people from pirating. I would have bought this game on launch day if they didn't have this BS attached to it. At best I will buy it when it's on sale, or not at all. Do they count that loss to their potential revenue stream equally as they do someone pirating it? Either way they lose potential revenue and it hurts their bottom line
 
2013-03-07 06:42:20 PM

I created this alt just for this thread: /Wondering whether we'll get the "It can't be my machine because it's new!", "Arkham City is the only game that's ever crashed for me ever in my entire life!", or the "I don't care if it's my machine that's the problem, I bought it from Steam so it's their responsibility to fix it" response.


I'm wondering if he ever took the effort to look online for a solution first, or i he just went straight to Steam and said "Wahh this doesn't work, you suck I want my money back!"
 
2013-03-07 06:42:37 PM

divgradcurl: and become less gullible


Don't worry about it.  The only reason I know was because I went to Steam, as I wished it was true myself.  If only just for the laughs.
 
2013-03-07 06:43:11 PM

cman: This About That: The acronym "EA", when printed on a software package, is really a new rating symbol. It means "DRM gone nuts".

What would you have them do? Not try at all? These companies have been affected by piracy and they are fighting back.


Unfortunately the target they chose to fight back against is their paying customers. I would use an Iraq war metaphor, but this is beyond attacking just the wrong country. This is like attacking Ohio in response to 9/11.
 
2013-03-07 06:43:37 PM
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2013-03-07 06:43:39 PM

cman: To think that EA considers their customers as the scum of the earth is laughable. Without customers they wouldnt be in business. They know this and they understand this. They are in the business to make money. If you treat your customers like shiat they won't spend their money.

EA board room doesnt meet with old men smoking cigars saying "How can we fark over everyone today?". That is the way that you are putting it.



While i'm certain that you're right about them not choosing to fark over everyone today, I disagree in general.  They are out of touch with what the customers want.  If they gave a rat's ass about the general consumer, this incident would not have happened.  incompetence or malice both have the same result, and stem from the same issues.
 
2013-03-07 06:44:32 PM

cman: EA board room doesnt meet with old men smoking cigars saying "How can we fark over everyone today?". That is the way that you are putting it.


No, they meet and say "how can we make more money today?"

And then they list options, and wouldn't you know it, the way they can make the most money is by "farking over the customer"
 
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