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(Talking Points Memo)   Rand Paul's filibuster has gained bi-partisan support for the need for filibuster reform   (livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 186
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2013-03-07 02:14:10 PM  
FTA: 'do away with 60 votes and [go] back down to 51, which in my view would have destroyed the Senate," '

Goddamnit McCain. i used to LIKE you, man. Just f*cking retire before you do any more damage to yourself.
 
2013-03-07 02:20:00 PM  
I guess its better than nothing.
 
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2013-03-07 02:26:55 PM  
If we reform filibusters for everyone, then only the crooks will have filibusters. Oh, wait ...nevermind.
 
2013-03-07 02:35:07 PM  
I think everyone can agree Rand Paul should just STFU
 
2013-03-07 02:35:25 PM  
The fark McCain?  Paul was the actual argument in favor of filibuster reform, because he did it right.  The GOP quietly forcing a 60 vote supermajority on a second cabinet appointment is the real problem.
 
2013-03-07 02:38:13 PM  

GAT_00: The fark McCain?  Paul was the actual argument in favor of filibuster reform, because he did it right.  The GOP quietly forcing a 60 vote supermajority on a second cabinet appointment is the real problem.


He doesn't want people paying attention to the fact that that is what is happening. I guarantee it he liked when the words "Filibuster" weren't in the press much.
 
2013-03-07 02:38:50 PM  
At least he farking DID IT, instead of being a whiny little brat and just *threaten* it.

What I heard of the filibuster was actually quite interesting.  It was half bullshiat and half actual debate.  So, I'm not sure what to think of it, ultimately...
 
2013-03-07 02:39:34 PM  
Also, McCain, STFU you old windbag.  Paul did it right.
 
2013-03-07 02:42:44 PM  

xanadian: At least he farking DID IT, instead of being a whiny little brat and just *threaten* it.


Exactly.
 
2013-03-07 02:43:24 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I think everyone can agree Rand Paul should just STFU


Honestly if a guy wants to spend hours talking to himself about something, more power to him and he did get a modicum of respect for me for actually having to do shiat for his principles and stand up for them.

The fact that doing so is news these days is really the detail that's depressing.
 
2013-03-07 02:43:49 PM  

xanadian: It was half bullshiat and half actual debate.


Sounds like normal filibuster speech.
 
2013-03-07 02:52:52 PM  

Andromeda: Honestly if a guy wants to spend hours talking to himself about something, more power to him and he did get a modicum of respect for me for actually having to do shiat for his principles and stand up for them.


See, you're assuming Rand Paul has principles, which I believe is not the case.
 
2013-03-07 02:53:38 PM  
McCain is right, filibusters should be reserved for important issues.
Like the Benghazi scandal.
 
2013-03-07 03:02:25 PM  
There are no adequate words to express my deep sadness and disappointment that he did not use at least a few hours of his time to read from Atlas Shrugged.
 
2013-03-07 03:04:10 PM  

mitchcumstein1: Andromeda: Honestly if a guy wants to spend hours talking to himself about something, more power to him and he did get a modicum of respect for me for actually having to do shiat for his principles and stand up for them.

See, you're assuming Rand Paul has principles, which I believe is not the case.


I was thinking more in terms of he has a core philosophy that he believes in, not that I necessarily agree with said core philosophy.
 
2013-03-07 03:05:39 PM  

Pocket Ninja: There are no adequate words to express my deep sadness and disappointment that he did not use at least a few hours of his time to read from Atlas Shrugged.


I don't think he can do that without fapping.
 
2013-03-07 03:12:05 PM  

xanadian: At least he farking DID IT, instead of being a whiny little brat and just *threaten* it.

What I heard of the filibuster was actually quite interesting.  It was half bullshiat and half actual debate.  So, I'm not sure what to think of it, ultimately...


There was no actual debate on the subject at hand. The nomination of John Brennan as the director of the CIA. He chose to derail conversation  so he could go on and on about a letter from Eric Holder regarding the use of drones to kill terrorist on domestic soil. Are we using armed drones in the skies of the U.S. Probably not. I haven't seen anything beyond discussing the possibility. Even the possibility is retarded. In a hypothetical situation where we were tracking a terrorist on U.S. soil you would think our first choice would be to arrest the dirtbag. Drones are good for gathering info and bombing terrorists on land we do not have full control of. Tactically they are a poor choice for land we do have full control of and can bring overwhelming force to contain the threat.

So the whole dog and pony show is total BS and teh entire goal is to grind the Senate to a halt for no other reason than to cause the Whitehouse heartburn.

Fark Rand Paul.
 
2013-03-07 03:12:42 PM  
"What we saw yesterday is going to give ammunition to those critics who say that the rules of the Senate are being abused,"

The only criticism that I've heard that the rules are being abused is when some toolbag decides that he's going to filibuster somethign but not actually bother to do the work.  Whatever else can be said about yesterday's spectacle, at least Paul did it the right way.
 
2013-03-07 03:12:53 PM  

Andromeda: mitchcumstein1: Andromeda: Honestly if a guy wants to spend hours talking to himself about something, more power to him and he did get a modicum of respect for me for actually having to do shiat for his principles and stand up for them.

See, you're assuming Rand Paul has principles, which I believe is not the case.

I was thinking more in terms of he has a core philosophy that he believes in, not that I necessarily agree with said core philosophy.


I think his core philosophy is "get elected."
 
2013-03-07 03:19:06 PM  
I don't even understand who Rand Paul was preaching to. Are there Republicans out there that want to limit the Presidents ability to kill terrorists, whether they be in this country, or somewhere else? I thought that was a thing they wanted him to do?
 
2013-03-07 03:21:21 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I think everyone can agree Rand Paul should just STFU


Really!  I mean, it's not like it's BUSH or some Republican who refuse to rule out the use of drones to kill Americans in America without due process!  They do REALLY evil things that cause people to flood the streets in protest--you know, like listening to to foreign terrorist phone calls....

pegasus.cc.ucf.edu
 
2013-03-07 03:22:51 PM  
Either that's a very poorly written/edited four paragraph article, or Sen. McCain was stroking out while speaking.  However, the ' . . . " makes me think it is the writing/editing.
 
2013-03-07 03:25:58 PM  

xanadian: At least he farking DID IT, instead of being a whiny little brat and just *threaten* it.

What I heard of the filibuster was actually quite interesting.  It was half bullshiat and half actual debate.  So, I'm not sure what to think of it, ultimately...


[inigomontoya.jpg]

Debate requires two people, you know, debating. One person talking to himself for 12 hours is not a debate.
 
2013-03-07 03:26:57 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: Either that's a very poorly written/edited four paragraph article, or Sen. McCain was stroking out while speaking.  However, the ' . . . " makes me think it is the writing/editing.


It was an ellipsical seizure
 
2013-03-07 03:27:28 PM  

Donnchadha: xanadian: At least he farking DID IT, instead of being a whiny little brat and just *threaten* it.

What I heard of the filibuster was actually quite interesting.  It was half bullshiat and half actual debate.  So, I'm not sure what to think of it, ultimately...

[inigomontoya.jpg]

Debate requires two people, you know, debating. One person talking to himself for 12 hours is not a debate.


Well, it's sort of like master-debating
 
2013-03-07 03:48:13 PM  
That's good.  Filibusters are only bad when your opponents do them, so it's about time somebody that nobody agrees with stepped up to the plate.
 
2013-03-07 03:49:47 PM  

xanadian: Also, McCain, STFU you old windbag.  Paul did it right.


You're entitled to that opinion.

/they're both windbags
 
2013-03-07 03:52:15 PM  

Nadie_AZ: xanadian: At least he farking DID IT, instead of being a whiny little brat and just *threaten* it.

Exactly.


Fo shizzle my Farker!

/Make them stand and talk for 12+ hours.
//Bet that will cut this Filibuster crap wayyyyy down.
 
2013-03-07 03:52:19 PM  

BravadoGT: MaudlinMutantMollusk: I think everyone can agree Rand Paul should just STFU

Really!  I mean, it's not like it's BUSH or some Republican who refuse to rule out the use of drones to kill Americans in America without due process!  They do REALLY evil things that cause people to flood the streets in protest--you know, like listening to to foreign terrorist phone calls....

[pegasus.cc.ucf.edu image 400x304]


So you're comparing something imaginary that has never happened with something that actually did happen.
 
2013-03-07 03:52:53 PM  

GAT_00: The fark McCain?  Paul was the actual argument in favor of filibuster reform, because he did it right.  The GOP quietly forcing a 60 vote supermajority on a second cabinet appointment is the real problem.


Cabinet appointment?  Try a circuit court judge:

The whole drama was most important as a mirror to the way the Senate normally does business. Look at what happened on Wednesday, people, and you can see why Democratic reformers wanted to change the rules and bring back the talking filibuster. Compare Paul's behavior to that of Mitch McConnell, the minority leader. Earlier in the day, McConnell had staged a filibuster under the usual system: He blocked the nomination of Caitlin Halligan to the D.C. circuit court by filing a piece of paper.
 
2013-03-07 03:54:14 PM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: FTA: 'do away with 60 votes and [go] back down to 51, which in my view would have destroyed the Senate," '

Goddamnit McCain. i used to LIKE you, man. Just f*cking retire before you do any more damage to yourself or our country.


 'Destroyed the senate' is just code for 'destroyed republican minority control over the senate'.
 
2013-03-07 03:54:43 PM  

Pocket Ninja: There are no adequate words to express my deep sadness and disappointment that he did not use at least a few hours of his time to read from Atlas Shrugged.


The Geneva convention prevents that sort of thing.
 
2013-03-07 03:55:50 PM  

serial_crusher: That's good.  Filibusters are only bad when your opponents do them, so it's about time somebody that nobody agrees with stepped up to the plate.


They're not bad when they're actually performed. They may be done by people I disagree with, making arguments I disagree with, but that's a whole lot better than just giving the Senate Majority Leader the secret magic handshake that makes the bill vanish altogether.  Democracy is rarely pretty, but it should always be open.
 
2013-03-07 03:58:08 PM  

xanadian: At least he farking DID IT, instead of being a whiny little brat and just *threaten* it.


This.

I'm completely okay with Senators filibustering as long as they're actually talking.

Personally I don't give a damn if they're talking substantively about the subject at hand or reading from the phone book.  A human being is standing at a podium talking is all that I care about.  Just threatening to do it isn't enough.
 
2013-03-07 03:58:33 PM  
"We were able to put a side of the there was another effort just at the beginning of this Senate to do away with 60 votes and [go] back down to 51, which in my view would have destroyed the Senate,"

This is what Republicans actually believe.
 
2013-03-07 03:59:09 PM  
I'm a Democrat, and Rand Paul's filibuster is EXACTLY what a filibuster should be.
 
2013-03-07 04:00:30 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: McCain is right, filibusters should be reserved for important issues.
Like the Benghazi scandal.


imokwiththis.jpg

A five-day filibuster spree for the Benghazi "scandal" would have been a good bull shiat crucible.  Tie up the Senate for a week, air it out in public, we'll all talk about it and they'll take their licks in the polls if we disapprove.  At least the GOP would be showing exactly how much time they were wasting on the subject.
 
2013-03-07 04:02:30 PM  
We were able to put a side of the there was another effort just at the beginning of this Senate to do away with 60 votes and [go] back down to 51, which in my view would have destroyed the Senate

Yeah, Dog forbid the Senate be able to get anything done.
 
2013-03-07 04:03:05 PM  
Wait... is McCain trying to straight-out ban the Mr. Smith filibuster and require it to be the bill-dies-instantly BS we're putting up with? Because that's what I'm reading.

Sweet Jesus, shut up if you are, McCain. Rand did it the right way. He did it the way we want the rest of you to be doing it. Nut up and start talking if you want a bill dead so badly.
 
2013-03-07 04:04:12 PM  
considering filibuster reform SHOULD be bipartisan...yeah.
 
2013-03-07 04:06:08 PM  

sammyk: xanadian: At least he farking DID IT, instead of being a whiny little brat and just *threaten* it.

What I heard of the filibuster was actually quite interesting.  It was half bullshiat and half actual debate.  So, I'm not sure what to think of it, ultimately...

There was no actual debate on the subject at hand. The nomination of John Brennan as the director of the CIA. He chose to derail conversation  so he could go on and on about a letter from Eric Holder regarding the use of drones to kill terrorist on domestic soil. Are we using armed drones in the skies of the U.S. Probably not. I haven't seen anything beyond discussing the possibility. Even the possibility is retarded. In a hypothetical situation where we were tracking a terrorist on U.S. soil you would think our first choice would be to arrest the dirtbag. Drones are good for gathering info and bombing terrorists on land we do not have full control of. Tactically they are a poor choice for land we do have full control of and can bring overwhelming force to contain the threat.

So the whole dog and pony show is total BS and teh entire goal is to grind the Senate to a halt for no other reason than to cause the Whitehouse heartburn.

Fark Rand Paul.


What if he was going meta to put the dr. philibuster under the spotlight?

/did I just bypass dividing by 0 & went straight to dividing by derp?
 
2013-03-07 04:07:32 PM  
The Tea Parties legacy will be ending the filibusterer........and hamstringing the economy.
 
2013-03-07 04:07:32 PM  

bv2112: I'm a Democrat, and Rand Paul's filibuster is EXACTLY what a filibuster should be.


Obstructive, long-winded, and entirely unrelated to the matter at hand.
 
2013-03-07 04:08:40 PM  
MaudlinMutantMollusk:
I think everyone can agree Rand Paul should just STFU

clane:
You Liberals are such robots.... if President Romney said yes it's ok to kill Americans on American soil with a presidential order you liberals would be screaming and crying in the streets...
 
2013-03-07 04:11:14 PM  

Pocket Ninja: There are no adequate words to express my deep sadness and disappointment that he did not use at least a few hours of his time to read from Atlas Shrugged.


/threadjack

How does the congressional record work for the reading in of copyrighted material.  Shouldnt anything that is read in end up being public domain.

/end threadjack
 
2013-03-07 04:11:57 PM  
they have recess & breaks, what's wrong with marathon show & tell?


clane: 
You Liberals are such robots.... if President Romney said yes it's ok to kill Americans on American soil with a presidential order you liberals would be screaming and crying in the streets...

not if that American had decided to become a threat to Americans on American soil.
 
2013-03-07 04:15:40 PM  

Saiga410: Pocket Ninja: There are no adequate words to express my deep sadness and disappointment that he did not use at least a few hours of his time to read from Atlas Shrugged.

/threadjack

How does the congressional record work for the reading in of copyrighted material.  Shouldnt anything that is read in end up being public domain.

/end threadjack


/rejack thread

Back to the talking philibuster and mitch reads 50 shades of grey.

/unjack thread
 
2013-03-07 04:16:10 PM  
(Rand's) filibuster succeeded precisely because it wasn't a cheap partisan ploy but because the substance under discussion - why won't the president of the United States, his attorney general, and his nominee to head the CIA explain their views on limits to their power? - transcends anything so banal or ephemeral as party affiliation or ideological score-settling.      -  NG

. . . except here on Fark, where nothing transcends Republicans are teh pooh-heads
 
2013-03-07 04:16:14 PM  

lilbjorn: Obstructive, long-winded, and entirely unrelated to the matter at hand.


Precisely. Sure beats filibustering by filing a slip of paper, like Mitch McConnell did... yesterday.
 
2013-03-07 04:16:32 PM  
Sen. Durbin came out all hand-wringy yesterday and called for re-opening the filibuster reform conversation. Conveniently, that boat has already sunk, (twice. Thanks, Reid!) and any new filibuster reform proposal will be, you guessed it, filibustered.

And the kabuki continues. As does the flow of wealth upwards. USA! USA!
 
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