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(Yahoo)   Ever seen those TV ads where Cancer Treatment Centers of America claims their patient's survival rates are so much better than the national average? Yeah, apparently that's because they don't take really sick patients   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 78
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2013-03-07 02:12:58 PM
11 votes:
Yet another reason for-profit medical care needs to go.

/but it won't
2013-03-07 02:25:30 PM
9 votes:

vernonFL: her rare cancer had spread throughout her body, including her brain, she and her husband refused to accept a death sentence.

Its sad and I'm sorry, but at that point, it IS a death sentence, and you would be better off accepting it and trying to enjoy your last few months here on Earth.


It is a sad story, but yeah, she should have blown all her cash on living life to the fullest. If I ever get that diagnosis, the first thing I'm going to do is start senselessly murdering people for doing things that marginally annoy me. It's just something I've always wanted to do.

:D
2013-03-07 02:09:44 PM
9 votes:
If you get cancer and can afford it, go to MD Anderson in Houston.
2013-03-07 02:20:07 PM
8 votes:
her rare cancer had spread throughout her body, including her brain, she and her husband refused to accept a death sentence.

Its sad and I'm sorry, but at that point, it IS a death sentence, and you would be better off accepting it and trying to enjoy your last few months here on Earth.
2013-03-07 02:21:56 PM
6 votes:
Cancer Treatment Centers of America, the Charter Schools of the medical world.
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-03-07 03:49:35 PM
5 votes:

Jument: Welcome to America. Don't get sick and you'll be just fine.


i739.photobucket.com
2013-03-07 04:12:53 PM
4 votes:
Pretty much everything you see in an advertisement is a lie. Advertising lowers your quality of life by making you unhappy. People in advertising should really follow Bill Hicks' advice.
2013-03-07 03:46:21 PM
4 votes:

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: vernonFL: her rare cancer had spread throughout her body, including her brain, she and her husband refused to accept a death sentence.

Its sad and I'm sorry, but at that point, it IS a death sentence, and you would be better off accepting it and trying to enjoy your last few months here on Earth.

It is a sad story, but yeah, she should have blown all her cash on living life to the fullest. If I ever get that diagnosis, the first thing I'm going to do is start senselessly murdering people for doing things that marginally annoy me. It's just something I've always wanted to do.

:D


Similar type took my wife almost 4 years ago at 33, once it hit the brain we stopped fighting and took lots of trips.  Lots of great memories of life experiences rather than lots of memories of hospital stays.
2013-03-07 03:42:00 PM
4 votes:
TFA: "founded in 1988 by Richard J. Stephenson, who has served as chairman ever since. Stephenson, who declined to comment for this article, serves on the board of FreedomWorks...A graduate of Northwestern University Law School, Stephenson started out as an investment banker. In 1966 he became a trustee of Americans Building Constitutionally... "

Oh FFS.  That's cartoon-villain territory right there.
2013-03-07 02:08:38 PM
4 votes:
Or ones without gold-plated medical insurance
2013-03-07 01:59:31 PM
4 votes:
This needs the sick tag.
2013-03-07 04:44:12 PM
3 votes:
When my Mom's non-Hodgkin's Lymphoma came back 6 months after seemingly successful treatment, the very CTCA
facility in this story told her they had a 2-month waiting list.  But my Mom isn't their kind of patient.

Fortunately, the Abrams Cancer Center at the University of Pennsylvania (also in Philly) is THE best place in the world for
NHL treatment, and they took her immediately and she underwent a stem cell transplant.  So far so good for her (3
months and counting).

In short:  fark CTCA.
2013-03-07 04:43:21 PM
3 votes:

nekom: Yet another reason for-profit medical care needs to go.

/but it won't


Actually I think it's a reason we need some sort of consumer protection agency which regulates bullshiat claims made by companies. Well, we sort of have that as part of the FTC, but they're somewhat toothless.

OTOH, I've seen commercials from this place, and I don't really pay much attention to them - why should I? I don't have cancer AFAIK, (knock wood) but the only claims I've noticed them making are very anecdotal and they just say that they really care for their patients and that not everyone dies.

"For profit" is actually a misunderstood term. A non-profit organization is still going to generate revenue. They're still going to pay salaries and wages to their employees.

Consider this. I'm going to start a non-profit charity to grant Total Fark to as many people as possible. I'll do fund-raisers and buy tons of advertising - the advertising agency I'll use will also be owned by me, but we won't talk about that. I'll be the CEO of both the non-profit charity AND the advertising agency. My annual salary will be $900,000 (for both of them). If I start bringing in enough money on the Total Fark non-profit, I'll simply spend more on advertising and perhaps give myself a bonus (on the advertising company's books).

We'll spend 10% of our cash-flow on granting Total Fark to people I deem worthy.

So "non-profit" does not necessarily mean a whole lot, does it?

Doctors and medical staff and even pharmaceutical companies still have to pay their employees. For profit vs. non-profit is really just a mechanism used for tax purposes and being a non-profit doesn't mean that you're not a bloodsucking parasite.  Non-profit does not mean that the entire organization is living as paupers out of the goodness of their hearts and giving unfortunate people the shirt off their backs to help them.
2013-03-07 04:30:04 PM
3 votes:
...the for-profit, privately held company's Philadelphia affiliate, Eastern Regional Medical Center.

There's the problem right there. Saving lives and fixing ailments of the human body should never be about profit.

Ever notice how we can cheer a person that saves another person's life, say from a car crash, flood, or other calamity as a hero, but once the victim gets to the hospital their life may not be saved if they don't have the correct resources. Does that not make the hospital the villain? The opportunity to save a life squandered by greed. Is that not villainy? Is that not nearly as bad as intentionally taking a life out of greed? Could it not be argued that they might be one and the same?
2013-03-07 04:19:14 PM
3 votes:
This is an outstanding example of the free market at work. It is also an outstanding example of why the free market needs to be regulated.
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-03-07 04:08:47 PM
3 votes:

findthefish: So twisted.......death panels exist with the insurance companies, hospitals and "treatment centers"


And it's OKAY if the corporations do it.

encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
2013-03-07 04:06:44 PM
3 votes:
FTFA:

CTCA is not unique in turning away patients. A lot of doctors, hospitals and other healthcare providers in the United States decline to treat people who can't pay, or have inadequate insurance

^ This is why the United States sucks ass.
2013-03-07 03:51:01 PM
3 votes:
I figured there was something dodgy about them just because they advertize so much.
2013-03-07 03:36:51 PM
3 votes:
Isn't that place owned by some right wing blowhard?
2013-03-07 05:23:13 PM
2 votes:
Cancer Treatment Centers of America: Money wraiths draining dying people of their savings and pushing their heirs into bankruptcy since 1988.
2013-03-07 05:12:37 PM
2 votes:

jehovahs witness protection: HotWingConspiracy: Isn't that place owned by some right wing blowhard?

OH SUCH TERRIBLE RIGHT WINGERS!

When I was diagnosed, they took really good care of me and knowing that I wasn't made of money, they dismissed 100% of what my insurance didn't cover. They do the same for many patients, but go ahead, let's bash good people because they don't share your political views.


I use to work at a hospital. Sure, they do some write offs for tax purposes (charity) but they don't do a lot. They will ration or deny you care the moment you become too costly. Don't be foolish enough to think that being uninsured and poor isn't a death sentence for most Americans. It is. I also worked as a health aide and for Hospice. I have sat with someone laying on their death bed as they held my hand and cried because they were dying as a result of doctors and hospitals cutting off care when finances ran out. So, you lived. Millions don't. No Christian nation denies care to so many.
2013-03-07 05:05:02 PM
2 votes:

umad: umad: FarkedOver: umad: Agent Smiths Laugh: ...the for-profit, privately held company's Philadelphia affiliate, Eastern Regional Medical Center.

There's the problem right there. Saving lives and fixing ailments of the human body should never be about profit.

Well what are you waiting for? Go right ahead and drop six figures on medical school and then give away your time for nothing if that is what floats your boat. Or you could sink billions into R&D for some new treatments and then give them away for free. The options are endless when you have no farking idea how the world works!

I don't want to live in your shiatty world.  You know where some of the best doctors in the world come from? Cuba.  Do you know how much a person would spend on med school in Cuba? $0.

So teachers shouldn't profit either. Is their anybody in your world who deserves to be paid for their work?

*there


Doctors and teachers should all be compensated.  You know who should bankroll this operation? The wealthy.  If we raise taxes on the wealthiest Americans by 10% guess what will happen?  The wealthiest Americans will still be the wealthiest farking Americans! THE HORROR!
2013-03-07 05:02:32 PM
2 votes:

Happy Hours: nekom: Yet another reason for-profit medical care needs to go.

/but it won't

Actually I think it's a reason we need some sort of consumer protection agency which regulates bullshiat claims made by companies. Well, we sort of have that as part of the FTC, but they're somewhat toothless.

OTOH, I've seen commercials from this place, and I don't really pay much attention to them - why should I? I don't have cancer AFAIK, (knock wood) but the only claims I've noticed them making are very anecdotal and they just say that they really care for their patients and that not everyone dies.

"For profit" is actually a misunderstood term. A non-profit organization is still going to generate revenue. They're still going to pay salaries and wages to their employees.

Consider this. I'm going to start a non-profit charity to grant Total Fark to as many people as possible. I'll do fund-raisers and buy tons of advertising - the advertising agency I'll use will also be owned by me, but we won't talk about that. I'll be the CEO of both the non-profit charity AND the advertising agency. My annual salary will be $900,000 (for both of them). If I start bringing in enough money on the Total Fark non-profit, I'll simply spend more on advertising and perhaps give myself a bonus (on the advertising company's books).

We'll spend 10% of our cash-flow on granting Total Fark to people I deem worthy.

So "non-profit" does not necessarily mean a whole lot, does it?

Doctors and medical staff and even pharmaceutical companies still have to pay their employees. For profit vs. non-profit is really just a mechanism used for tax purposes and being a non-profit doesn't mean that you're not a bloodsucking parasite.  Non-profit does not mean that the entire organization is living as paupers out of the goodness of their hearts and giving unfortunate people the shirt off their backs to help them.


However, For-Profit institutions usually have investors that require a share of the profit and expect more each year.  Usually achieved by either cutting corners or raising prices.  Neither is good for the patients.
2013-03-07 04:56:50 PM
2 votes:
This place just sells woo along with everything else.  It's proven (no, google it yourself), that nutrition and all the other woo they sell doesn't change your survival rate.  It might make you feel better about dying or going to chemo, but at the end of the day, MD Anderson in Houston for me.  It helps it's less than an hour away too.

While they don't have a "waiting list", it does take time to see a specialist unfortunately.  I had two cousins recently die from cancer and while the first one had a long time with it, the second only lasted a month and never really had a chance to even get to MD Anderson.  Fark you cancer.
2013-03-07 04:41:41 PM
2 votes:

minoridiot: If you get cancer and can afford it, go to MD Anderson in Houston.


Agreed, althrough to be honest any in the top ten gives you a much better chance; Cleveland Clinic, Mayo Clinic, Mass General, etc.

Also agreed that MD Anderson Orlando tends to get ranked Houston, but has a very progressive Neurological Cancer department.

Thinks about it like this, MD Anderson Houston was one of the first locations with a Proton Therapy facility, MD Anderson Orlando will have theirs completed in the next couple years. If a standard LINAC Suite costs about $5 million and a stereotactic LINAC suite goes for about $7 million it says something when a hospital group builds the facility required for a Proton Accelerator that costs from $100 to $200 million dollars,
2013-03-07 04:03:31 PM
2 votes:

chubby muppet: [harrumpher.com image 184x181]
Whatever it takes.

Snip picture of yellow bracelet. Livestrong is such a BS foundation. They aren't Cancer Research, they are Cancer Awareness. Might as well throw money at the Human Fund.
On a side note Cancer survival rates are also BS. You have cancer, we cut it out, you survived. (but what if you die 5 years later do they adjust the rates? Nope).
2013-03-07 04:01:08 PM
2 votes:

jehovahs witness protection: HotWingConspiracy: Isn't that place owned by some right wing blowhard?

OH SUCH TERRIBLE RIGHT WINGERS!

When I was diagnosed, they took really good care of me and knowing that I wasn't made of money, they dismissed 100% of what my insurance didn't cover. They do the same for many patients, but go ahead, let's bash good people because they don't share your political views.


Um, it seems very likely that could be insurance fraud as well.

Example
Insurance pays a certain % of the total cost for procedures.  If the hospital bill forwarded to the insurance company is for $200, and the insurer covers $100, and you pay $0 instead of $100, the hospital should have charged the insurer $100 of which the insurer would have covered $50.

Of course, they could have billed $400, $200 would have been covered, and they look oh so generous since they waved the $0 balance for you.
2013-03-07 03:56:06 PM
2 votes:

HotWingConspiracy: Isn't that place owned by some right wing blowhard?


OH SUCH TERRIBLE RIGHT WINGERS!

When I was diagnosed, they took really good care of me and knowing that I wasn't made of money, they dismissed 100% of what my insurance didn't cover. They do the same for many patients, but go ahead, let's bash good people because they don't share your political views.
2013-03-07 03:47:33 PM
2 votes:
Welcome to America. Don't get sick and you'll be just fine.
2013-03-07 03:46:13 PM
2 votes:
In some ways it makes sense to tae patients that way, though the advertising is kind of shiatty.

It can be like battlefield triage.  Spending your resources on a dude with half his body blown off isn't really all that helpful if you can treat 2-3 guys with survivable wounds.

But yeah if you advertise that you have great survival rates then you pretty much suck.
2013-03-07 03:44:58 PM
2 votes:

vernonFL: her rare cancer had spread throughout her body, including her brain, she and her husband refused to accept a death sentence.

Its sad and I'm sorry, but at that point, it IS a death sentence, and you would be better off accepting it and trying to enjoy your last few months here on Earth.


This. They do a lot of work for free and treating people who they know have no chance is a waste of $25,000 treatments that could go to help someone that has a fighting chance.
2013-03-07 03:43:26 PM
2 votes:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Or ones without gold-plated medical insurance


^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^

end of line.
2013-03-07 03:40:17 PM
2 votes:

minoridiot: If you get cancer and can afford it, go to MD Anderson in Houston.


.

My mother had ovarian cancer which apparently kills within a year or two.  She went to MD Anderson and lasted 8 years past the average
2013-03-07 03:39:19 PM
2 votes:

HotWingConspiracy: Isn't that place owned by some right wing blowhard?


FTFA:  "In 1966 he became a trustee of Americans Building Constitutionally, an organization that helped wealthy individuals set up not-for-profit corporations and personal trusts to avoid paying federal income and inheritance taxes. "

Yep.
2013-03-07 03:24:22 PM
2 votes:

minoridiot: If you get cancer and can afford it, go to MD Anderson in Houston.


The one here in Orlando is top-notch, too.  But I read that Houston's is expanding.

A dear, close friend was diagnosed with Stage 4 colon cancer last summer (at 52).  Metastisizing.  They removed it, hit the right combo of chemo, and operating on all that remained yesterday.  Her experience with MD has been outstanding.  From effectiveness, to involvement, to comfort level.  All of it.
2013-03-07 02:39:19 PM
2 votes:

show me: You, sir, are a Patriot of the First Order and should be honored as such!

/wut


I'm a small man, with small dreams. Like blowing up tailgaters with a trunk mounted rocket launcher.
2013-03-07 02:33:20 PM
2 votes:

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: vernonFL: her rare cancer had spread throughout her body, including her brain, she and her husband refused to accept a death sentence.

Its sad and I'm sorry, but at that point, it IS a death sentence, and you would be better off accepting it and trying to enjoy your last few months here on Earth.

It is a sad story, but yeah, she should have blown all her cash on living life to the fullest. If I ever get that diagnosis, the first thing I'm going to do is start senselessly murdering people for doing things that marginally annoy me. It's just something I've always wanted to do.

:D


You, sir, are a Patriot of the First Order and should be honored as such!

/wut
2013-03-07 07:04:24 PM
1 votes:

toraque: A Terrible Human: The Flexecutioner: move to Lexington, Ky and go to Markey Cancer Center at UK Hospital.  They accept everyone (i had no insurance and was placed on medicaid/medicare) and have a top-notch facility.  I had a rare stage 4 lymphoblastic leukemia and less than a 20% chance to survive it.  That was 7 years ago and I'm actually off state benefits and back to a regular life.  My only problems now are regular ones, like finding a job and paying bills and regular stuff.

My aunt had cancer and that's where she went. They even have little apartments for the patients to stay in while they get treatment. She's still alive today even though she's missing most of a kidney,her bladder,intestines and bowels.

Man, going through a treatment like that must have taken a lot of guts.


No shiat.

/had to be said
2013-03-07 07:03:20 PM
1 votes:

toraque: Man, going through a treatment like that must have taken a lot of guts.


Not as much as colon or esophageal cancer. THAT takes guts, but testicualar cancer, it takes balls.

/it's FARK. we can make fun of ANYTHING.
//we're remaining men
2013-03-07 06:51:12 PM
1 votes:

Oznog: Freeballin: This place just sells woo along with everything else.  It's proven (no, google it yourself), that nutrition and all the other woo they sell doesn't change your survival rate.  It might make you feel better about dying or going to chemo, but at the end of the day, MD Anderson in Houston for me.  It helps it's less than an hour away too.

While they don't have a "waiting list", it does take time to see a specialist unfortunately.  I had two cousins recently die from cancer and while the first one had a long time with it, the second only lasted a month and never really had a chance to even get to MD Anderson.  Fark you cancer.

Yeah I haven't seen their commercials in years (internet instead of TV now), but I remember their cured patients marveling at their "nutrition" approach.

WTF, like all the other hospitals DON'T feed you?  And they never realized that starving their patients was what was killing them, rather than cancer, but YOU saw that?

Lemme guess... blueberries and tea, some sort of magic "antioxidants" there?


I told em I didn't do the religion thing and they left me the fark alone about it.
They game me chemo and said smoking weed was a good way to make sure I ate right.
Cancer is gone and that part is behind me...Problems from 2 strokes are still kicking my ass, but oh well.

No more chemo, but smoking weed is still a part of my healthy way of life.
2013-03-07 06:35:33 PM
1 votes:
Here in Fremont, CA we have a more localized version of this - our local hospital, Washington Township Hospital. While they have passed a ballot measure (raises property taxes)  to build a new emergency room for one that has been out of date for 20 years, they have been busy "investing" in for profit services such as a joint replacement center, gamma knife, and buying up local medical practices, while its 'Empire Building' (my opinion)  administrator and her husband clear a salary between them (her husband manages a 'non-profit' foundation attached to the hospital) of over a million a year. Shameful but true. And to add salt on the wound, nobody is seriously interested in investigating it.
2013-03-07 06:14:34 PM
1 votes:

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: vernonFL: her rare cancer had spread throughout her body, including her brain, she and her husband refused to accept a death sentence.

Its sad and I'm sorry, but at that point, it IS a death sentence, and you would be better off accepting it and trying to enjoy your last few months here on Earth.

It is a sad story, but yeah, she should have blown all her cash on living life to the fullest. If I ever get that diagnosis, the first thing I'm going to do is start senselessly murdering people for doing things that marginally annoy me. It's just something I've always wanted to do.

:D


After seeing an aunt's health degrade to the point where she was not able to live at home and not able to afford to move into a nursing home, I had a similar passing thought.  I pictured many sick and elderly people going to killing sprees so they could get prison room and board and health care.  Sure it's not GOOD health care, room and board but it would be something if you are destitute.

I've heard it done on a smaller scale by homeless to get a night's shelter on cold days, but wonder how often it happens in a grander scale.
2013-03-07 06:05:14 PM
1 votes:
oryx: I figured there was something dodgy about them just because they advertize so much.

That's the way I feel about Geico.


Funny you mentioned insurance- I wanted to comment on how the "business model" they (this particular cancer center) employ is successfully used by many industries, including insurance. The reason all those insurance companies are so happy to offer you online calculators and free comparisons is that they are seeking only specific demographics- they are happy to send you down the road to someone who'll give you a better deal, because they don't want you- helps to keep their rates down and advertise a higher "satisfaction rate" for their company-

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oryx: I figured there was something dodgy about them just because they advertize so much.

That's the way I feel about Geico.


ChipNasa: You could always Sioux them if it turned out they were shady characters.

Just don't Crow about it, or you might be up the Creek- Just jump in your Cherokee or Apache and drive off- no reason to go barefoot and get Blackfeet-

//got nuthin'


/that $5000 loan costs you something like $35000 in interest alone. But she is cute-
2013-03-07 05:38:05 PM
1 votes:

MadMattressMack: Yes, true humanitarians right there. As long as they are under the boot and heel of their political masters.


You read that any way you like.  I read that and thought "wow, they did all this despite all the U.S. imperialism and sabre-rattling? Good for them."  Whatever you feel about Cuba's "politics", they are the way they are because we shaped them that way.  Our constant assassination/invasion attempts, our economic sanctions..... they have achieved so much despite the United States' best effort to stop it. You want to know why the people live like it is still the 1950s in Cuba? You only need to look to the bully 90 miles north.
2013-03-07 05:30:17 PM
1 votes:
Guess what... that's how private schools get such great stats too.  They just don't accept bad students, and they give ones they find to  underperform the boot.  Some public schools in reality are much better than the stats suggest, and some private schools much worse.

But this is a common game for those who like to simply compare numbers and make a conclusion.
2013-03-07 05:28:09 PM
1 votes:

The Flexecutioner: move to Lexington, Ky and go to Markey Cancer Center at UK Hospital.  They accept everyone (i had no insurance and was placed on medicaid/medicare) and have a top-notch facility.  I had a rare stage 4 lymphoblastic leukemia and less than a 20% chance to survive it.  That was 7 years ago and I'm actually off state benefits and back to a regular life.  My only problems now are regular ones, like finding a job and paying bills and regular stuff.


My aunt had cancer and that's where she went. They even have little apartments for the patients to stay in while they get treatment. She's still alive today even though she's missing most of a kidney,her bladder,intestines and bowels.
2013-03-07 05:20:25 PM
1 votes:

MadMattressMack: Best doctors in the world are in Cuba? Is it because they have to be so good since they don't have anything to work with? Also, I'd like to know what metrics are used in determining "the best doctors in the world". is it what the people there say, because:

"formally eliciting critical narratives about health care would be viewed as a criminal act both for me as a researcher, and for people who spoke openly with me "

Also:

"there is no right to privacy in the physician-patient relationship in Cuba, no patients' right of informed consent, no right to refuse treatment, and no right to protest or sue for malpractice "

"Hirschfeld describes a case where a doctor said that if the ultrasound examination revealed "some fetal abnormalities", the woman "would have an abortion", to avoid an increase in the infant mortality rate "

From Wikipedia. Though I doubt about Wiki articles, knowing how socialist politics have to govern health care in order for it to be successful these all make complete sense.


I would say they are the best because of this reason alone:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_medical_internationalism

Doctors are Cuba's number 1 export.  They also work in more under-developed nations than any other doctors.  Their experience alone gives them the right to that claim.  What they do is true humanitarian work.
2013-03-07 05:14:24 PM
1 votes:

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Um, it seems very likely that could be insurance fraud as well.

Example
Insurance pays a certain % of the total cost for procedures.  If the hospital bill forwarded to the insurance company is for $200, and the insurer covers $100, and you pay $0 instead of $100, the hospital should have charged the insurer $100 of which the insurer would have covered $50.

Of course, they could have billed $400, $200 would have been covered, and they look oh so generous since they waved the $0 balance for you.


There's a concept called UCR (usual, customary, and reasonable) that insurers will pay based upon. What is a reasonable charge to shove a scope up someone's ass in LA is different than in NYC is different than in Des Moines. A contracted provider will agree to accept an insurer's UCR x some number as payment in full, then charge the guarantor the delta between insurance payment and that contracted rate. Sometimes, a provider will write off some or all of that delta. So, in a nutshell, insurance pays a percentage of the billed amount, but not a set percentage.
2013-03-07 05:13:57 PM
1 votes:

umad: FarkedOver: umad: Agent Smiths Laugh: ...the for-profit, privately held company's Philadelphia affiliate, Eastern Regional Medical Center.

There's the problem right there. Saving lives and fixing ailments of the human body should never be about profit.

Well what are you waiting for? Go right ahead and drop six figures on medical school and then give away your time for nothing if that is what floats your boat. Or you could sink billions into R&D for some new treatments and then give them away for free. The options are endless when you have no farking idea how the world works!

I don't want to live in your shiatty world.  You know where some of the best doctors in the world come from? Cuba.  Do you know how much a person would spend on med school in Cuba? $0.

So teachers shouldn't profit either. Is their anybody in your world who deserves to be paid for their work?


Best doctors in the world are in Cuba? Is it because they have to be so good since they don't have anything to work with? Also, I'd like to know what metrics are used in determining "the best doctors in the world".  is it what the people there say, because:

"formally eliciting critical narratives about health care would be viewed as a criminal act both for me as a researcher, and for people who spoke openly with me "

Also:

"there is no right to privacy in the physician-patient relationship in Cuba, no patients' right of informed consent, no right to refuse treatment, and no right to protest or sue for malpractice "

"Hirschfeld describes a case where a doctor said that if the ultrasound examination revealed "some fetal abnormalities", the woman "would have an abortion", to avoid an increase in the infant mortality rate "

From Wikipedia. Though I doubt about Wiki articles, knowing how socialist politics have to govern health care in order for it to be successful these all make complete sense.
2013-03-07 05:07:36 PM
1 votes:

eagles95: Went to UVA to see a specialist that still is treating brain tumor that is in remission. They've done surgery and radiation. Of course i had dr bills before i got back home but they saved my life.


/LOVE Charlottesville

/Go Hoo's


My mom got melanoma 3x and was treated at UVA.  She has been cancer free for 8 years now.  They have a fantastic medical program and hospital.  (My wife was a 'hoo)
2013-03-07 04:59:59 PM
1 votes:

FarkedOver: umad: Agent Smiths Laugh: ...the for-profit, privately held company's Philadelphia affiliate, Eastern Regional Medical Center.

There's the problem right there. Saving lives and fixing ailments of the human body should never be about profit.

Well what are you waiting for? Go right ahead and drop six figures on medical school and then give away your time for nothing if that is what floats your boat. Or you could sink billions into R&D for some new treatments and then give them away for free. The options are endless when you have no farking idea how the world works!

I don't want to live in your shiatty world.  You know where some of the best doctors in the world come from? Cuba.  Do you know how much a person would spend on med school in Cuba? $0.


So teachers shouldn't profit either. Is their anybody in your world who deserves to be paid for their work?
2013-03-07 04:56:37 PM
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umad: Agent Smiths Laugh: ...the for-profit, privately held company's Philadelphia affiliate, Eastern Regional Medical Center.

There's the problem right there. Saving lives and fixing ailments of the human body should never be about profit.

Well what are you waiting for? Go right ahead and drop six figures on medical school and then give away your time for nothing if that is what floats your boat. Or you could sink billions into R&D for some new treatments and then give them away for free. The options are endless when you have no farking idea how the world works!


I don't want to live in your shiatty world.  You know where some of the best doctors in the world come from? Cuba.  Do you know how much a person would spend on med school in Cuba? $0.
2013-03-07 04:53:36 PM
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Agent Smiths Laugh: ...the for-profit, privately held company's Philadelphia affiliate, Eastern Regional Medical Center.

There's the problem right there. Saving lives and fixing ailments of the human body should never be about profit.


Well what are you waiting for? Go right ahead and drop six figures on medical school and then give away your time for nothing if that is what floats your boat. Or you could sink billions into R&D for some new treatments and then give them away for free. The options are endless when you have no farking idea how the world works!
2013-03-07 04:52:43 PM
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Just go to MD Anderson. Everything's state of the art because it's the only thing they do. They have equipment that even oncology departments at good hospitals don't have.

We have a friend with a recurrence of cancer. He lives in the Chicago area, so you'd think he could get it treated there. But the head of the oncology dept. at Northwestern wouldn't do the surgery because it was too complex.

He got treated at MD Anderson and was told a few weeks ago that there are no signs of cancer in his body.

They will help you with travel and lodging, they may be able to get you free flights to and from Houston.

And if you have frequent flier miles that you're not going to use, consider donating them to MD Anderson. That's how they get free flights for patients.
2013-03-07 04:39:28 PM
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d23: [freehelp.ws image 370x291]

Go to the store... go to the store... go to the store... go to the store...


freehelp.ws

Damn, my dad only lasted 24 days from his diagnosis.
2013-03-07 04:37:45 PM
1 votes:
I've found that prayer cures most cancers - in the good people anyway.
2013-03-07 04:36:38 PM
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nekom: Yet another reason for-profit medical care needs to go.

/but it won't


Really? You're so stupid as to let one hospital make you want to completely change the medicine is practiced?

How's voting for Obama working out for ya?

You're a fool on both counts.
2013-03-07 04:35:21 PM
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minoridiot: If you get cancer and can afford it, go to MD Anderson in Houston.


They saved my stepdad's life back in the late '70s. He went back for yearly follow-up appointments for about 25 years and couldn't say enough good things about the place.
2013-03-07 04:21:37 PM
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move to Lexington, Ky and go to Markey Cancer Center at UK Hospital.  They accept everyone (i had no insurance and was placed on medicaid/medicare) and have a top-notch facility.  I had a rare stage 4 lymphoblastic leukemia and less than a 20% chance to survive it.  That was 7 years ago and I'm actually off state benefits and back to a regular life.  My only problems now are regular ones, like finding a job and paying bills and regular stuff.
2013-03-07 04:14:46 PM
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oryx: I figured there was something dodgy about them just because they advertize so much.


That's the way I feel about Geico.
2013-03-07 04:06:26 PM
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So twisted.......death panels exist with the insurance companies, hospitals and "treatment centers"
2013-03-07 04:06:10 PM
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Mid_mo_mad_man: ChipNASA: oryx: I figured there was something dodgy about them just because they advertize so much.

[www.shescribes.com image 425x272]

Don't you know only honkies can take advantage of people? They are reclaiming what whitey stole. Btw that squaw is a hottie


I know someone that saw the paperwork of someone that got a $15k loan from them at 99% interest for 6 years.  Don't do the math because it's sickening, he couldn't get a loan anywhere else and needed the money.
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-03-07 04:01:50 PM
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Using the latest software, too...

videogamecritic.com
2013-03-07 04:01:04 PM
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They are just unskewing the results is all
2013-03-07 04:00:59 PM
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jehovahs witness protection: HotWingConspiracy: Isn't that place owned by some right wing blowhard?

OH SUCH TERRIBLE RIGHT WINGERS!

When I was diagnosed, they took really good care of me and knowing that I wasn't made of money, they dismissed 100% of what my insurance didn't cover. They do the same for many patients, but go ahead, let's bash good people because they don't share your political views.


So, was it fun mortgaging your house, selling every asset you had, and promising them your first unborn child, grandchild, and great-grandchild as slaves for the good of the company?
2013-03-07 03:58:16 PM
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jehovahs witness protection: HotWingConspiracy: Isn't that place owned by some right wing blowhard?

OH SUCH TERRIBLE RIGHT WINGERS!

When I was diagnosed, they took really good care of me and knowing that I wasn't made of money, they dismissed 100% of what my insurance didn't cover. They do the same for many patients, but go ahead, let's bash good people because they don't share your political views.


Where's the bash? Do you feel like they're ashamed of their political views? Would he not describe himself as right wing?
2013-03-07 03:53:32 PM
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mrlewish: nekom: Yet another reason for-profit medical care needs to go.

/but it won't

Do you think that there is any hospital that is actually non profit?

Non profit it just a business category.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MetroHealth

County ran and the CEO only takes home a total compensation package of $1.1 million ... not bad considering some anesthesiologists take home roughly half that.  Pretty impressive hospitals we have here in NE Ohio ...
2013-03-07 03:53:21 PM
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oryx: I figured there was something dodgy about them just because they advertize so much.


www.shescribes.com
2013-03-07 03:53:13 PM
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Diogenes: Metastasizing

I work for a cancer research publication, so it's a pet peeve.
2013-03-07 03:51:46 PM
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This is sort of how other countries have lower infant mortality rates in the US because they don't count a lot of preemies as viable births in the first place.
2013-03-07 03:50:41 PM
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Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: vernonFL: her rare cancer had spread throughout her body, including her brain, she and her husband refused to accept a death sentence.

Its sad and I'm sorry, but at that point, it IS a death sentence, and you would be better off accepting it and trying to enjoy your last few months here on Earth.

It is a sad story, but yeah, she should have blown all her cash on living life to the fullest. If I ever get that diagnosis, the first thing I'm going to do is start senselessly murdering people for doing things that marginally annoy me. It's just something I've always wanted to do.

:D


www.slate.com

Approves
2013-03-07 03:50:24 PM
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Oldiron_79: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: vernonFL: her rare cancer had spread throughout her body, including her brain, she and her husband refused to accept a death sentence.

Its sad and I'm sorry, but at that point, it IS a death sentence, and you would be better off accepting it and trying to enjoy your last few months here on Earth.

It is a sad story, but yeah, she should have blown all her cash on living life to the fullest. If I ever get that diagnosis, the first thing I'm going to do is start senselessly murdering people for doing things that marginally annoy me. It's just something I've always wanted to do.

:D

The aristocrat


If im ever terminal Im gonna o.d. on cocaine and viagra whilst farking multiple whores.
2013-03-07 03:49:23 PM
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goatleggedfellow: So should we rank these groups by having a playoff or just use the old BCS calculator?


I'd prefer Hunger Games rules ... let them each eat other until there is only one left.
2013-03-07 03:49:07 PM
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nekom: Yet another reason for-profit medical care needs to go.

/but it won't


Do you think that there is any hospital that is actually non profit?

Non profit it just a business category.
2013-03-07 03:42:29 PM
1 votes:
this is the sort of misleading advertising that deserves jailtime
2013-03-07 03:39:47 PM
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Yahoo news writers seem to be journalistic prostitutes that write hit pieces for the highest bidder, so I take anything that appears on their site with a grain of salt.
2013-03-07 03:39:44 PM
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their first commercial featured a woman who lived to enjoy horseback riding with her woman friend. second one was guy with peculiar chin patch hair worried about wife. 3rd, a doctor who was concerned for his wife, as he didn't seem to know a damn thing about medicine. fourth commercial features a woman who tells us she was 'the strongest woman in the world'.

clearly they are not looking for your average customer.
2013-03-07 03:35:29 PM
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Within days, Keith Hilborn was on the phone with an "oncology information specialist" at Cancer Treatment Centers of America.

Uh oh... that should NEVER be in "quotes".
 
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