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2013-03-07 06:03:17 PM  
What is a "TV ad"?

Oh, I barely remember!
 
2013-03-07 06:05:14 PM  
oryx: I figured there was something dodgy about them just because they advertize so much.

That's the way I feel about Geico.


Funny you mentioned insurance- I wanted to comment on how the "business model" they (this particular cancer center) employ is successfully used by many industries, including insurance. The reason all those insurance companies are so happy to offer you online calculators and free comparisons is that they are seeking only specific demographics- they are happy to send you down the road to someone who'll give you a better deal, because they don't want you- helps to keep their rates down and advertise a higher "satisfaction rate" for their company-

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oryx: I figured there was something dodgy about them just because they advertize so much.

That's the way I feel about Geico.


ChipNasa: You could always Sioux them if it turned out they were shady characters.

Just don't Crow about it, or you might be up the Creek- Just jump in your Cherokee or Apache and drive off- no reason to go barefoot and get Blackfeet-

//got nuthin'


/that $5000 loan costs you something like $35000 in interest alone. But she is cute-
 
2013-03-07 06:08:01 PM  

DIGITALgimpus: Guess what... that's how private schools get such great stats too.  They just don't accept bad students, and they give ones they find to  underperform the boot.  Some public schools in reality are much better than the stats suggest, and some private schools much worse.

But this is a common game for those who like to simply compare numbers and make a conclusion.


Since I went to a private school growing up I'll also point out that they won't hesitate to kick students out if they're underperforming or causing problems. And they should. Public schools should also expel students who cause disciplinary problems. Those kids should be put them in some school for juvenile delinquents because they drag down everyone else.

And yes, private schools like to boast about their student's academic successes - and they should. They're up front about their admissions process. They don't just accept anyone. You have to pass tests to gain admission. Or you can get in early like I did. I attended 2 years of pre-school before I even got to kindergarten and eventually graduated high school there.

It's easier to stay in a private school than to get into a private school. And it was expensive. It's also worth it if you can afford it. The expensive part also pretty much means the parents aren't deadbeats and they probably do a lot to encourage their kids to do their homework and study hard.

The school doesn't advertise and while they do boast about the academic successes of their students, they are very open and don't bullshiat people about not accepting bad students. That's actually a big deal. Why should they accept dumb kids? Why should they accept kids who are going to be disciplinary problems? When I was there, we only had about 70 kids in each grade in elementary school and only about 100 kids in grades 6 through 12.

Do you really think there is room for delinquents?

Some kids left the school. Sometimes it was because their parents wanted to send them to a different private school, but usually it was because the kids just weren't smart enough or because they got busted for marijuana or had other disciplinary problems. That's why it actually means something to say you graduated from that school.
You're comparing apples to oranges. No, wait - it's not even that close of a comparison. You're comparing apples to string beans. The school I went to has high academic standards and you have to meet them to even get into it. They are not shy about telling you that either. CTCA advertises on TV and if you have cancer and see one of their commercials it might give you hope that they can help, but apparently if you're too sick they'll turn you down.

And I don't know shiat about CTCA but if your illness is beyond their capabilities they probably should tell you to seek a different option.
 
2013-03-07 06:14:34 PM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: vernonFL: her rare cancer had spread throughout her body, including her brain, she and her husband refused to accept a death sentence.

Its sad and I'm sorry, but at that point, it IS a death sentence, and you would be better off accepting it and trying to enjoy your last few months here on Earth.

It is a sad story, but yeah, she should have blown all her cash on living life to the fullest. If I ever get that diagnosis, the first thing I'm going to do is start senselessly murdering people for doing things that marginally annoy me. It's just something I've always wanted to do.

:D


After seeing an aunt's health degrade to the point where she was not able to live at home and not able to afford to move into a nursing home, I had a similar passing thought.  I pictured many sick and elderly people going to killing sprees so they could get prison room and board and health care.  Sure it's not GOOD health care, room and board but it would be something if you are destitute.

I've heard it done on a smaller scale by homeless to get a night's shelter on cold days, but wonder how often it happens in a grander scale.
 
2013-03-07 06:21:00 PM  

FarkedOver: MadMattressMack: Yes, true humanitarians right there. As long as they are under the boot and heel of their political masters.

You read that any way you like.  I read that and thought "wow, they did all this despite all the U.S. imperialism and sabre-rattling? Good for them."  Whatever you feel about Cuba's "politics", they are the way they are because we shaped them that way.  Our constant assassination/invasion attempts, our economic sanctions..... they have achieved so much despite the United States' best effort to stop it. You want to know why the people live like it is still the 1950s in Cuba? You only need to look to the bully 90 miles north.


Uh, yeah, there was the Bay of Pigs disaster but we haven't been constantly trying to invade Cuba. The Bay of Pigs didn't even involve US troops. If we really wanted to we could conquer Cuba in about half the time it even took to get there and it's only 90 miles away from the Florida Keys.

We even have a military base in Cuba. Perhaps you've heard of it. It's Guantanamo Bay and it's not just a prison.

As for assassination attempts, I'm not sure how much of that is true or how much of it is propaganda, but when was the last attempt? In the early '70s?

Ad we haven't shaped Cuba. Why should Cuba depend on the US lifting our embargo? If their system is so great why do they mostly live in poverty? Why are they complaining about having to drive cars made in the US in the '50s? Why haven't they started their own car industry?

The embargo is stupid and counter-productive, but you can't blame the US for the situation most Cubans find themselves in.
 
2013-03-07 06:23:40 PM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: If I ever get that diagnosis, the first thing I'm going to do is start senselessly murdering people for doing things that marginally annoy me. It's just something I've always wanted to do.


That's not senseless at all.  Why should you spend your final days marginally annoyed, or with your life's dream unfulfilled?
 
2013-03-07 06:26:56 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Isn't that place owned by some right wing blowhard?


Yeah, I read that somewhere... oh, yeah, in TFA!
 
2013-03-07 06:35:33 PM  
Here in Fremont, CA we have a more localized version of this - our local hospital, Washington Township Hospital. While they have passed a ballot measure (raises property taxes)  to build a new emergency room for one that has been out of date for 20 years, they have been busy "investing" in for profit services such as a joint replacement center, gamma knife, and buying up local medical practices, while its 'Empire Building' (my opinion)  administrator and her husband clear a salary between them (her husband manages a 'non-profit' foundation attached to the hospital) of over a million a year. Shameful but true. And to add salt on the wound, nobody is seriously interested in investigating it.
 
2013-03-07 06:51:12 PM  

Oznog: Freeballin: This place just sells woo along with everything else.  It's proven (no, google it yourself), that nutrition and all the other woo they sell doesn't change your survival rate.  It might make you feel better about dying or going to chemo, but at the end of the day, MD Anderson in Houston for me.  It helps it's less than an hour away too.

While they don't have a "waiting list", it does take time to see a specialist unfortunately.  I had two cousins recently die from cancer and while the first one had a long time with it, the second only lasted a month and never really had a chance to even get to MD Anderson.  Fark you cancer.

Yeah I haven't seen their commercials in years (internet instead of TV now), but I remember their cured patients marveling at their "nutrition" approach.

WTF, like all the other hospitals DON'T feed you?  And they never realized that starving their patients was what was killing them, rather than cancer, but YOU saw that?

Lemme guess... blueberries and tea, some sort of magic "antioxidants" there?


I told em I didn't do the religion thing and they left me the fark alone about it.
They game me chemo and said smoking weed was a good way to make sure I ate right.
Cancer is gone and that part is behind me...Problems from 2 strokes are still kicking my ass, but oh well.

No more chemo, but smoking weed is still a part of my healthy way of life.
 
2013-03-07 06:52:17 PM  

A Terrible Human: The Flexecutioner: move to Lexington, Ky and go to Markey Cancer Center at UK Hospital.  They accept everyone (i had no insurance and was placed on medicaid/medicare) and have a top-notch facility.  I had a rare stage 4 lymphoblastic leukemia and less than a 20% chance to survive it.  That was 7 years ago and I'm actually off state benefits and back to a regular life.  My only problems now are regular ones, like finding a job and paying bills and regular stuff.

My aunt had cancer and that's where she went. They even have little apartments for the patients to stay in while they get treatment. She's still alive today even though she's missing most of a kidney,her bladder,intestines and bowels.


Man, going through a treatment like that must have taken a lot of guts.
 
2013-03-07 06:57:08 PM  

neversubmit: FTFA: "But because we see mostly patients with later-stage, complex cancers, they often need something else," he added - psychological and spiritual support as well as "holistic" interventions such as yoga, acupuncture and reiki, a laying-on of hands.

reiki?


It makes you feel better, and feeling better helps you get better.  No different from the "good bedside manner" that people expect from doctors and nurses.
 
2013-03-07 07:03:20 PM  

toraque: Man, going through a treatment like that must have taken a lot of guts.


Not as much as colon or esophageal cancer. THAT takes guts, but testicualar cancer, it takes balls.

/it's FARK. we can make fun of ANYTHING.
//we're remaining men
 
2013-03-07 07:04:24 PM  

toraque: A Terrible Human: The Flexecutioner: move to Lexington, Ky and go to Markey Cancer Center at UK Hospital.  They accept everyone (i had no insurance and was placed on medicaid/medicare) and have a top-notch facility.  I had a rare stage 4 lymphoblastic leukemia and less than a 20% chance to survive it.  That was 7 years ago and I'm actually off state benefits and back to a regular life.  My only problems now are regular ones, like finding a job and paying bills and regular stuff.

My aunt had cancer and that's where she went. They even have little apartments for the patients to stay in while they get treatment. She's still alive today even though she's missing most of a kidney,her bladder,intestines and bowels.

Man, going through a treatment like that must have taken a lot of guts.


No shiat.

/had to be said
 
2013-03-07 07:06:10 PM  
These kinds of businesses are why we will end up socializing medicine.  Despite Obamacare being a really bad idea, the alternative is to let companies run amok like this.  It's a lose/lose if you ask me.
 
2013-03-07 07:08:44 PM  

seadoo2006: jehovahs witness protection: HotWingConspiracy: Isn't that place owned by some right wing blowhard?

OH SUCH TERRIBLE RIGHT WINGERS!

When I was diagnosed, they took really good care of me and knowing that I wasn't made of money, they dismissed 100% of what my insurance didn't cover. They do the same for many patients, but go ahead, let's bash good people because they don't share your political views.

So, was it fun mortgaging your house, selling every asset you had, and promising them your first unborn child, grandchild, and great-grandchild as slaves for the good of the company?


2/10...right wing or left wing, that was a douchey thing to say
 
2013-03-07 07:18:12 PM  

FarkedOver: MadMattressMack: Best doctors in the world are in Cuba? Is it because they have to be so good since they don't have anything to work with? Also, I'd like to know what metrics are used in determining "the best doctors in the world". is it what the people there say, because:

"formally eliciting critical narratives about health care would be viewed as a criminal act both for me as a researcher, and for people who spoke openly with me "

Also:

"there is no right to privacy in the physician-patient relationship in Cuba, no patients' right of informed consent, no right to refuse treatment, and no right to protest or sue for malpractice "

"Hirschfeld describes a case where a doctor said that if the ultrasound examination revealed "some fetal abnormalities", the woman "would have an abortion", to avoid an increase in the infant mortality rate "

From Wikipedia. Though I doubt about Wiki articles, knowing how socialist politics have to govern health care in order for it to be successful these all make complete sense.

I would say they are the best because of this reason alone:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_medical_internationalism

Doctors are Cuba's number 1 export.  They also work in more under-developed nations than any other doctors.  Their experience alone gives them the right to that claim.  What they do is true humanitarian work.


"Export," huh?  From your own article:

"According to Luis Zuñiga, director of human rights for the Cuban American National Foundation, Cuban doctors are "slave workers" who labor for meager wages while bolstering Cuba's image as a donor nation and "the Cuban government exports these doctors as merchandise".

Defections are up, too. "Cuban doctors working abroad are reported to be monitored by "minders" and subject to curfew."  I imagine doctors are controlled by their families back home, too.

Your arguments are too one-sided; your glasses, too rosy.
 
2013-03-07 07:29:25 PM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: vernonFL: her rare cancer had spread throughout her body, including her brain, she and her husband refused to accept a death sentence.

Its sad and I'm sorry, but at that point, it IS a death sentence, and you would be better off accepting it and trying to enjoy your last few months here on Earth.

It is a sad story, but yeah, she should have blown all her cash on living life to the fullest. If I ever get that diagnosis, the first thing I'm going to do is start senselessly murdering people for doing things that marginally annoy me. It's just something I've always wanted to do.

:D


Sounds like fun, but I think it would mess with my plans to get hooked on heroin.
Wonder if they allow bail for the terminally ill?
 
2013-03-07 07:30:35 PM  

nekom: Yet another reason for-profit medical care needs to go.

/but it won't


Yeah, this :-(
 
2013-03-07 07:34:55 PM  

Bung_Howdy:  But she is cute-


And how!
 
2013-03-07 07:48:08 PM  

garron: Yahoo news writers seem to be journalistic prostitutes that write hit pieces for the highest bidder, so I take anything that appears on their site with a grain of salt.


Yahoo employs roughly the same number of news writers as Fark does; if you'd bothered to look at the actual story, you'd see that it was pulled from the Reuters wire.

Yahoo is an aggregator; it produces almost no content on its own. If you don't like the slant of Yahoo's coverage, I can understand why, but at the very least, you can try blaming the right people.

TMYK...
 
2013-03-07 07:49:01 PM  

minoridiot: If you get cancer and can afford it, go to MD Anderson in Houston.


It seems like M.D.Anderson and Fred Hutchinson in Seattle are consistently ranked the number 1 and 2 cancer treatment centers in America.
 
2013-03-07 08:18:02 PM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: vernonFL: her rare cancer had spread throughout her body, including her brain, she and her husband refused to accept a death sentence.

Its sad and I'm sorry, but at that point, it IS a death sentence, and you would be better off accepting it and trying to enjoy your last few months here on Earth.

It is a sad story, but yeah, she should have blown all her cash on living life to the fullest. If I ever get that diagnosis, the first thing I'm going to do is start senselessly murdering people for doing things that marginally annoy me. It's just something I've always wanted to do.

:D


There's a movie based off of this premise.
 
2013-03-07 08:23:53 PM  

vernonFL: her rare cancer had spread throughout her body, including her brain, she and her husband refused to accept a death sentence.

Its sad and I'm sorry, but at that point, it IS a death sentence, and you would be better off accepting it and trying to enjoy your last few months here on Earth.


Yup.
 
2013-03-07 08:25:51 PM  

SweetDickens: What???  You mean they refuse to treat terminal people and TAKE advantage of people who have no chance to make it???


The outrage is overwhelming.....farkers have no problem crucifying those who scam desperate people out of money except when it comes to the
REAL doctors making bank on desperate people with pretty much zero chance of any recovery.


Bullshiat. Anything is fair to Fark as long as no one is putting a gun to your head and forcing you to purchase/use/associate...
 
2013-03-07 08:37:38 PM  

Pocket_Fisherman: nekom: Yet another reason for-profit medical care needs to go.

/but it won't

Yes because non-for profit means quality!  Right?!??!

I don't think you understand how all these things work.


So that must mean that the United States has the best health care in the world, right?  Oh wait, the rest of the world with their low quality non-profit health care gets more for less than we do.  That can't possibly be right...only profit-driven companies can deliver quality services.  I know it's true because someone named after a Ron Popeil product told me so on the Internet!
 
2013-03-07 08:42:08 PM  
BarkingUnicorn: ... the Cuban American National Foundation...

Is NOT, in any universe, a reliable source of information. Just FYI, those people are insane.
 
2013-03-07 09:00:46 PM  
Basically your problem is that they won't treat somebody who cannot be saved no matter what? I hate to break your bleeding hearts but that's life and you need to focus on the people that can be saved.
 
2013-03-07 09:09:58 PM  

minoridiot: If you get cancer and can afford it, go to MD Anderson in Houston.


As someone currently working for UTMB, I have to say yup. you're right. they are the goddamned best in the country, current scandal not withstanding.
 
2013-03-07 09:17:03 PM  

FarkedOver: FTFA:

CTCA is not unique in turning away patients. A lot of doctors, hospitals and other healthcare providers in the United States decline to treat people who can't pay, or have inadequate insurance

^ This is why the United States sucks ass.


Uh...thats another thing MD is very good at as well :(
 
2013-03-07 09:43:02 PM  

Tom_Slick: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: vernonFL: her rare cancer had spread throughout her body, including her brain, she and her husband refused to accept a death sentence.

Its sad and I'm sorry, but at that point, it IS a death sentence, and you would be better off accepting it and trying to enjoy your last few months here on Earth.

It is a sad story, but yeah, she should have blown all her cash on living life to the fullest. If I ever get that diagnosis, the first thing I'm going to do is start senselessly murdering people for doing things that marginally annoy me. It's just something I've always wanted to do.

:D

Similar type took my wife almost 4 years ago at 33, once it hit the brain we stopped fighting and took lots of trips.  Lots of great memories of life experiences rather than lots of memories of hospital stays.


33? Fark...
 
2013-03-07 09:51:23 PM  
I'm no fan of CTCA's ads, nor do I believe the claims that are made in them, but CTCA is by no means the only clinic or hospital around here that puffs its own abilities in its ads.  Of course, if hospitals ran ads that told the truth, they'd lose a lot of business.

"If you have cancer, let the doctors at St. Clin-Clin de Meumeu hospital here in downtown Japip work you over with the latest medical techniques.  If your cancer was diagnosed early enough, and if it's one of those cancers that responds to treatment, they might be able to prolong your life for a few years."
 
2013-03-07 11:23:36 PM  
tirob:  St. Clin-Clin de Meumeu

Gonna guess Kweebeker?
 
2013-03-07 11:29:41 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: When my Mom's non-Hodgkin's Lymphoma came back 6 months after seemingly successful treatment, the very CTCA
facility in this story told her they had a 2-month waiting list.  But my Mom isn't their kind of patient.

Fortunately, the Abrams Cancer Center at the University of Pennsylvania (also in Philly) is THE best place in the world for
NHL treatment, and they took her immediately and she underwent a stem cell transplant.  So far so good for her (3
months and counting).

In short:  fark CTCA.


Best wishes to you mom.  I just completed RCHOP (chemo) a little over three months go for NHL and am in complete remission.  I assume she has DLBCL (like me) because most of the other forms of NHL are impossible to cure.  Glad she was able to have a transplant, rough stuff though and the thought scares me to death.  Crossing my fingers (for both of us).
 
2013-03-07 11:42:22 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: toraque: A Terrible Human: The Flexecutioner: move to Lexington, Ky and go to Markey Cancer Center at UK Hospital.  They accept everyone (i had no insurance and was placed on medicaid/medicare) and have a top-notch facility.  I had a rare stage 4 lymphoblastic leukemia and less than a 20% chance to survive it.  That was 7 years ago and I'm actually off state benefits and back to a regular life.  My only problems now are regular ones, like finding a job and paying bills and regular stuff.

My aunt had cancer and that's where she went. They even have little apartments for the patients to stay in while they get treatment. She's still alive today even though she's missing most of a kidney,her bladder,intestines and bowels.

Man, going through a treatment like that must have taken a lot of guts.

No shiat.

/had to be said


It was the radiation that destroyed the bowel and some of her intestines.
/Not mad,just saying.
 
2013-03-08 12:16:11 AM  
Hmmm... buy shiat based on Tv advertisements=lose. Who would have thought?
 
2013-03-08 12:51:18 AM  

nekom: Yet another reason for-profit medical care needs to go.

/but it won't


As a healthcare administration major I can tell you that you are correct. There's a ton of businesses that are healthcare related.
 
2013-03-08 01:51:42 AM  
The man who started CTCA sounds like a sleazebag. While that doesn't make everyone in his empire a sleazebag -- some might be miracle-workers at normal human hospitals, too -- I'm guessing the institution's by-laws, code of "ethics," operations manual, whatever, contains some rather cold-blooded phrases.

What annoys me most about their commercials is how they makes other hospitals sound like they use rusty scalpels and polluted water.
 
2013-03-08 02:34:29 AM  
Please delete the superfluous "s" in the word "makes" above. Thank you.
 
2013-03-08 06:04:54 AM  

halotosis: DjangoStonereaver: When my Mom's non-Hodgkin's Lymphoma came back 6 months after seemingly successful treatment, the very CTCA
facility in this story told her they had a 2-month waiting list.  But my Mom isn't their kind of patient.

Fortunately, the Abrams Cancer Center at the University of Pennsylvania (also in Philly) is THE best place in the world for
NHL treatment, and they took her immediately and she underwent a stem cell transplant.  So far so good for her (3
months and counting).

In short:  fark CTCA.

Best wishes to you mom.  I just completed RCHOP (chemo) a little over three months go for NHL and am in complete remission.  I assume she has DLBCL (like me) because most of the other forms of NHL are impossible to cure.  Glad she was able to have a transplant, rough stuff though and the thought scares me to death.  Crossing my fingers (for both of us).


She had CHOP on her first go round.

The chemo part of the transplant process was pretty bad, but really the most frustrating part was the fact that it took
twice as long as normal to collect her blood before the procedure (they filter your own stem cells from blood), but that
was due to my Mom being prone to anaemia, not any side effect of her prior treatments.

I hope, in turn, that you keep going well; for my Mom it was 6 months after having CHOP chemo (it was detected in one
of her regular follow ups, literally a week after she had her chemo port removed).
 
2013-03-08 06:39:13 AM  

Quantum Apostrophe: tirob:  St. Clin-Clin de Meumeu

Gonna guess Kweebeker?


Pennsylvanian.  I've been going up to QC a lot recently, though.
 
2013-03-08 07:33:02 AM  

eagles95: Went to UVA to see a specialist that still is treating brain tumor that is in remission. They've done surgery and radiation. Of course i had dr bills before i got back home but they saved my life.


/LOVE Charlottesville

/Go Hoo's


A good friend went there within a week of his first symptoms and passed away after a year of ineffectice treatment.

Not everybody makes it. I suspect that chance has as much effect as hope and prayer.
 
2013-03-08 07:50:58 AM  
<i>the for-profit, privately held company's Philadelphia affiliate, Eastern Regional Medical Center </i>

Oh man, FARK Eastern Regional. I worked for a non-profit insurance working out problems with claims that would keep them from processing to adjudication, and I SWEAR they must have intentionally been farking up their billing to keep insurance from paying. We'd tell them what needed to be fixed, and then they'd never do it.

But seriously, the lady in the story?  Honey, she's dying.  Go have fun while you can.  Make insane goals.  Blow your retirement fund. Plan an awesome "euthanasia" (if I ever have terminal cancer, one of the deaths on my list includes "break into zoo cage, fufill lifelong dream of hugging a tiger", I'd like to go out awesome, not fading on a hospital bed).
 
2013-03-08 10:35:54 AM  

Diogenes: minoridiot: If you get cancer and can afford it, go to MD Anderson in Houston.

The one here in Orlando is top-notch, too.  But I read that Houston's is expandingmetestasizing.

A dear, close friend was diagnosed with Stage 4 colon cancer last summer (at 52).  Metastisizing.  They removed it, hit the right combo of chemo, and operating on all that remained yesterday.  Her experience with MD has been outstanding.  From effectiveness, to involvement, to comfort level.  All of it.


Fixed
 
2013-03-08 12:11:43 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: FarkedOver: 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_medical_internationalism

Doctors are Cuba's number 1 export.  They also work in more under-developed nations than any other doctors.  Their experience alone gives them the right to that claim.  What they do is true humanitarian work.

"Export," huh?  From your own article:

"According to Luis Zuñiga, director of human rights for the Cuban American National Foundation, Cuban doctors are "slave workers" who labor for meager wages while bolstering Cuba's image as a donor nation and "the Cuban government exports these doctors as merchandise".

Defections are up, too. "Cuban doctors working abroad are reported to be monitored by "minders" and subject to curfew."  I imagine doctors are controlled by their families back home, too.

Your arguments are too one-sided; your glasses, too rosy.


I saw a Cuban-trained (Jewish American) diabetes doc in Boston who was pretty sharp. A little too eager to prescribe new meds perhaps, but her being a MILF with a good sense of humor made up for it.
 
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