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(Yahoo)   Ever seen those TV ads where Cancer Treatment Centers of America claims their patient's survival rates are so much better than the national average? Yeah, apparently that's because they don't take really sick patients   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 194
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2013-03-07 03:53:21 PM  

oryx: I figured there was something dodgy about them just because they advertize so much.


www.shescribes.com
 
2013-03-07 03:53:32 PM  

mrlewish: nekom: Yet another reason for-profit medical care needs to go.

/but it won't

Do you think that there is any hospital that is actually non profit?

Non profit it just a business category.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MetroHealth

County ran and the CEO only takes home a total compensation package of $1.1 million ... not bad considering some anesthesiologists take home roughly half that.  Pretty impressive hospitals we have here in NE Ohio ...
 
2013-03-07 03:54:25 PM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: If I ever get that diagnosis, the first thing I'm going to do is start senselessly murdering people for doing things that marginally annoy me. It's just something I've always wanted to do.


Hmm. At the very least I'd start doing drugs, because fark it.
 
2013-03-07 03:56:06 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Isn't that place owned by some right wing blowhard?


OH SUCH TERRIBLE RIGHT WINGERS!

When I was diagnosed, they took really good care of me and knowing that I wasn't made of money, they dismissed 100% of what my insurance didn't cover. They do the same for many patients, but go ahead, let's bash good people because they don't share your political views.
 
2013-03-07 03:56:25 PM  

nekom: Yet another reason for-profit medical care needs to go.

/but it won't


This.

.

Gecko Gingrich: Cancer Treatment Centers of America, the Charter Schools of the medical world.


Your metaphors are intriguing and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
 
2013-03-07 03:56:52 PM  

ChipNASA: oryx: I figured there was something dodgy about them just because they advertize so much.

[www.shescribes.com image 425x272]


Hahaha, I wonder how many morons have got sucked in to that. Many I'm guessing, because they're still running the commercials.
 
2013-03-07 03:57:15 PM  

ChipNASA: oryx: I figured there was something dodgy about them just because they advertize so much.

[www.shescribes.com image 425x272]




Don't you know only honkies can take advantage of people? They are reclaiming what whitey stole. Btw that squaw is a hottie
 
2013-03-07 03:57:24 PM  

oryx: I figured there was something dodgy about them just because they advertize so much.


If you're a good hospital, you don't need to advertise. Just start treating patients and word will get around soon enough.

Fun fact: when I was a kid, I remember there being ads for ambulances. I even remember the tagline: "If it doesn't say Bell on the side, you've just been taken for a ride." Even when I'm in grade school I'm going 'wait, how do you hire an ambulance? Don't you just call 911 and happily take whatever ambulance they give you?'
 
2013-03-07 03:58:16 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: HotWingConspiracy: Isn't that place owned by some right wing blowhard?

OH SUCH TERRIBLE RIGHT WINGERS!

When I was diagnosed, they took really good care of me and knowing that I wasn't made of money, they dismissed 100% of what my insurance didn't cover. They do the same for many patients, but go ahead, let's bash good people because they don't share your political views.


Where's the bash? Do you feel like they're ashamed of their political views? Would he not describe himself as right wing?
 
2013-03-07 03:58:46 PM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: show me: You, sir, are a Patriot of the First Order and should be honored as such!

/wut

I'm a small man, with small dreams. Like blowing up tailgaters with a trunk mounted rocket launcher.


I believe I've played that video game.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-03-07 03:59:12 PM  
freehelp.ws

Go to the store... go to the store... go to the store... go to the store...
 
2013-03-07 04:00:03 PM  

lordargent: This is sort of how other countries have lower infant mortality rates in the US because they don't count a lot of preemies as viable births in the first place.


I heard that their death cults won't even let them count babies as people until they're 15 years old
 
2013-03-07 04:00:59 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: HotWingConspiracy: Isn't that place owned by some right wing blowhard?

OH SUCH TERRIBLE RIGHT WINGERS!

When I was diagnosed, they took really good care of me and knowing that I wasn't made of money, they dismissed 100% of what my insurance didn't cover. They do the same for many patients, but go ahead, let's bash good people because they don't share your political views.


So, was it fun mortgaging your house, selling every asset you had, and promising them your first unborn child, grandchild, and great-grandchild as slaves for the good of the company?
 
2013-03-07 04:01:04 PM  
They are just unskewing the results is all
 
2013-03-07 04:01:08 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: HotWingConspiracy: Isn't that place owned by some right wing blowhard?

OH SUCH TERRIBLE RIGHT WINGERS!

When I was diagnosed, they took really good care of me and knowing that I wasn't made of money, they dismissed 100% of what my insurance didn't cover. They do the same for many patients, but go ahead, let's bash good people because they don't share your political views.


Um, it seems very likely that could be insurance fraud as well.

Example
Insurance pays a certain % of the total cost for procedures.  If the hospital bill forwarded to the insurance company is for $200, and the insurer covers $100, and you pay $0 instead of $100, the hospital should have charged the insurer $100 of which the insurer would have covered $50.

Of course, they could have billed $400, $200 would have been covered, and they look oh so generous since they waved the $0 balance for you.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-03-07 04:01:50 PM  
Using the latest software, too...

videogamecritic.com
 
2013-03-07 04:02:10 PM  

MyKingdomForYourHorse: They are just unskewing the results is all


Harmonizing the statistical quirks, as it were.
 
2013-03-07 04:03:31 PM  

chubby muppet: [harrumpher.com image 184x181]
Whatever it takes.

Snip picture of yellow bracelet. Livestrong is such a BS foundation. They aren't Cancer Research, they are Cancer Awareness. Might as well throw money at the Human Fund.
On a side note Cancer survival rates are also BS. You have cancer, we cut it out, you survived. (but what if you die 5 years later do they adjust the rates? Nope).
 
2013-03-07 04:03:50 PM  

minoridiot: If you get cancer and can afford it, go to MD Anderson in Houston.


Went there.  Couldn't wait to escape.

/YMMV
 
2013-03-07 04:04:03 PM  
Selecting your own samples to ensure better-than-average results, and then trumpeting from the roof-tops about your results?

Sounds like someone has been paying attention to how charter/private schools are run.
 
2013-03-07 04:05:24 PM  

chubby muppet: [harrumpher.com image 184x181]
Whatever it takes.


Well done
 
2013-03-07 04:06:10 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: ChipNASA: oryx: I figured there was something dodgy about them just because they advertize so much.

[www.shescribes.com image 425x272]

Don't you know only honkies can take advantage of people? They are reclaiming what whitey stole. Btw that squaw is a hottie


I know someone that saw the paperwork of someone that got a $15k loan from them at 99% interest for 6 years.  Don't do the math because it's sickening, he couldn't get a loan anywhere else and needed the money.
 
2013-03-07 04:06:26 PM  
So twisted.......death panels exist with the insurance companies, hospitals and "treatment centers"
 
2013-03-07 04:06:44 PM  
FTFA:

CTCA is not unique in turning away patients. A lot of doctors, hospitals and other healthcare providers in the United States decline to treat people who can't pay, or have inadequate insurance

^ This is why the United States sucks ass.
 
2013-03-07 04:08:02 PM  
I have cured 100 percent of the people who have been treated for cancer, AIDS, and hiccups here in my apartment!
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-03-07 04:08:47 PM  

findthefish: So twisted.......death panels exist with the insurance companies, hospitals and "treatment centers"


And it's OKAY if the corporations do it.

encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
 
2013-03-07 04:12:53 PM  
Pretty much everything you see in an advertisement is a lie. Advertising lowers your quality of life by making you unhappy. People in advertising should really follow Bill Hicks' advice.
 
2013-03-07 04:14:46 PM  

oryx: I figured there was something dodgy about them just because they advertize so much.


That's the way I feel about Geico.
 
2013-03-07 04:15:46 PM  
Should be obvious that Cancer Treatment Centers don't take terminal cases.  They didn't take in Hugo Chavez.  Chavez had to go to Cuba instead for treatment.
 
2013-03-07 04:19:14 PM  
This is an outstanding example of the free market at work. It is also an outstanding example of why the free market needs to be regulated.
 
2013-03-07 04:21:37 PM  
move to Lexington, Ky and go to Markey Cancer Center at UK Hospital.  They accept everyone (i had no insurance and was placed on medicaid/medicare) and have a top-notch facility.  I had a rare stage 4 lymphoblastic leukemia and less than a 20% chance to survive it.  That was 7 years ago and I'm actually off state benefits and back to a regular life.  My only problems now are regular ones, like finding a job and paying bills and regular stuff.
 
2013-03-07 04:25:44 PM  

red230: This is an outstanding example of the free market at work. It is also an outstanding example of why the free market needs to be regulated.


This is the USA!  You don't dare regulate the sacred Free Market in the USA.  'Cause any regulating of the Free Market is anti-American socialism.  You also must realize that the Free Market IS the backbone of the American Republic, so don't you dare touch it.
 
2013-03-07 04:26:45 PM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: vernonFL: her rare cancer had spread throughout her body, including her brain, she and her husband refused to accept a death sentence.

Its sad and I'm sorry, but at that point, it IS a death sentence, and you would be better off accepting it and trying to enjoy your last few months here on Earth.

It is a sad story, but yeah, she should have blown all her cash on living life to the fullest. If I ever get that diagnosis, the first thing I'm going to do is start senselessly murdering people for doing things that marginally annoy me. It's just something I've always wanted to do.

:D


www.nerdlocker.com

Shut up, crime!
 
2013-03-07 04:27:56 PM  
Cancer Treatment Centers of America. Phony. Worthless. Useless.

If you get cancer, suck it up & die the obama way. You weren't going to pay much in taxes anyway.

Just do the sensible. Die.
 
2013-03-07 04:29:41 PM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: show me: You, sir, are a Patriot of the First Order and should be honored as such!

/wut

I'm a small man, with small dreams. Like blowing up tailgaters with a trunk mounted rocket launcher.


You don't like beer and chicken wings?
 
2013-03-07 04:30:04 PM  
...the for-profit, privately held company's Philadelphia affiliate, Eastern Regional Medical Center.

There's the problem right there. Saving lives and fixing ailments of the human body should never be about profit.

Ever notice how we can cheer a person that saves another person's life, say from a car crash, flood, or other calamity as a hero, but once the victim gets to the hospital their life may not be saved if they don't have the correct resources. Does that not make the hospital the villain? The opportunity to save a life squandered by greed. Is that not villainy? Is that not nearly as bad as intentionally taking a life out of greed? Could it not be argued that they might be one and the same?
 
2013-03-07 04:30:04 PM  

ChipNASA: oryx: I figured there was something dodgy about them just because they advertize so much.

[www.shescribes.com image 425x272]



You could always Sioux them if it turned out they were shady characters.
 
2013-03-07 04:30:54 PM  

minoridiot: If you get cancer and can afford it, go to MD Anderson in Houston.


Fark that.  Go see Dr. Joe Brown in Phoenix.  That SOB was diagnosed with stage 4 cancer when he was in his 20's.  That pissed him off so much we went and cured himself.  Now he's a hotshot oncologist.
 
2013-03-07 04:34:11 PM  

Tom_Slick: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: vernonFL: her rare cancer had spread throughout her body, including her brain, she and her husband refused to accept a death sentence.

Its sad and I'm sorry, but at that point, it IS a death sentence, and you would be better off accepting it and trying to enjoy your last few months here on Earth.

It is a sad story, but yeah, she should have blown all her cash on living life to the fullest. If I ever get that diagnosis, the first thing I'm going to do is start senselessly murdering people for doing things that marginally annoy me. It's just something I've always wanted to do.

:D

Similar type took my wife almost 4 years ago at 33, once it hit the brain we stopped fighting and took lots of trips.  Lots of great memories of life experiences rather than lots of memories of hospital stays.


I'm sorry about your wife.
 
2013-03-07 04:35:15 PM  

KrustyKitten: Tom_Slick: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: vernonFL: her rare cancer had spread throughout her body, including her brain, she and her husband refused to accept a death sentence.

Its sad and I'm sorry, but at that point, it IS a death sentence, and you would be better off accepting it and trying to enjoy your last few months here on Earth.

It is a sad story, but yeah, she should have blown all her cash on living life to the fullest. If I ever get that diagnosis, the first thing I'm going to do is start senselessly murdering people for doing things that marginally annoy me. It's just something I've always wanted to do.

:D

Similar type took my wife almost 4 years ago at 33, once it hit the brain we stopped fighting and took lots of trips.  Lots of great memories of life experiences rather than lots of memories of hospital stays.

I'm sorry about your wife.


X2
 
2013-03-07 04:35:21 PM  

minoridiot: If you get cancer and can afford it, go to MD Anderson in Houston.


They saved my stepdad's life back in the late '70s. He went back for yearly follow-up appointments for about 25 years and couldn't say enough good things about the place.
 
2013-03-07 04:35:29 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: jehovahs witness protection: HotWingConspiracy: Isn't that place owned by some right wing blowhard?

OH SUCH TERRIBLE RIGHT WINGERS!

When I was diagnosed, they took really good care of me and knowing that I wasn't made of money, they dismissed 100% of what my insurance didn't cover. They do the same for many patients, but go ahead, let's bash good people because they don't share your political views.

Where's the bash? Do you feel like they're ashamed of their political views? Would he not describe himself as right wing?


Right wing is the new "liberal."  They don't want to be labeled as being batcrap crazy...even though they are.  Enjoy the margins whackadoodles.
 
2013-03-07 04:36:38 PM  

nekom: Yet another reason for-profit medical care needs to go.

/but it won't


Really? You're so stupid as to let one hospital make you want to completely change the medicine is practiced?

How's voting for Obama working out for ya?

You're a fool on both counts.
 
2013-03-07 04:37:45 PM  
I've found that prayer cures most cancers - in the good people anyway.
 
2013-03-07 04:37:48 PM  

oryx: I figured there was something dodgy about them just because they advertize so much.


I feel that way about a lot of companies.
 
2013-03-07 04:39:28 PM  

d23: [freehelp.ws image 370x291]

Go to the store... go to the store... go to the store... go to the store...


freehelp.ws

Damn, my dad only lasted 24 days from his diagnosis.
 
2013-03-07 04:39:30 PM  

Tom_Slick: Similar type took my wife almost 4 years ago at 33, once it hit the brain we stopped fighting and took lots of trips.  Lots of great memories of life experiences rather than lots of memories of hospital stays.


I'm very sorry for your loss, and glad that you chose to live life well with her. Well done.
 
2013-03-07 04:41:41 PM  

minoridiot: If you get cancer and can afford it, go to MD Anderson in Houston.


Agreed, althrough to be honest any in the top ten gives you a much better chance; Cleveland Clinic, Mayo Clinic, Mass General, etc.

Also agreed that MD Anderson Orlando tends to get ranked Houston, but has a very progressive Neurological Cancer department.

Thinks about it like this, MD Anderson Houston was one of the first locations with a Proton Therapy facility, MD Anderson Orlando will have theirs completed in the next couple years. If a standard LINAC Suite costs about $5 million and a stereotactic LINAC suite goes for about $7 million it says something when a hospital group builds the facility required for a Proton Accelerator that costs from $100 to $200 million dollars,
 
2013-03-07 04:43:21 PM  

nekom: Yet another reason for-profit medical care needs to go.

/but it won't


Actually I think it's a reason we need some sort of consumer protection agency which regulates bullshiat claims made by companies. Well, we sort of have that as part of the FTC, but they're somewhat toothless.

OTOH, I've seen commercials from this place, and I don't really pay much attention to them - why should I? I don't have cancer AFAIK, (knock wood) but the only claims I've noticed them making are very anecdotal and they just say that they really care for their patients and that not everyone dies.

"For profit" is actually a misunderstood term. A non-profit organization is still going to generate revenue. They're still going to pay salaries and wages to their employees.

Consider this. I'm going to start a non-profit charity to grant Total Fark to as many people as possible. I'll do fund-raisers and buy tons of advertising - the advertising agency I'll use will also be owned by me, but we won't talk about that. I'll be the CEO of both the non-profit charity AND the advertising agency. My annual salary will be $900,000 (for both of them). If I start bringing in enough money on the Total Fark non-profit, I'll simply spend more on advertising and perhaps give myself a bonus (on the advertising company's books).

We'll spend 10% of our cash-flow on granting Total Fark to people I deem worthy.

So "non-profit" does not necessarily mean a whole lot, does it?

Doctors and medical staff and even pharmaceutical companies still have to pay their employees. For profit vs. non-profit is really just a mechanism used for tax purposes and being a non-profit doesn't mean that you're not a bloodsucking parasite.  Non-profit does not mean that the entire organization is living as paupers out of the goodness of their hearts and giving unfortunate people the shirt off their backs to help them.
 
2013-03-07 04:43:53 PM  
Peggy Kessler makes me sick. Being a whore for a so-called, for-profit 'Cancer treatment' center means you should have taken the dirt nap.
 
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