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2013-03-07 01:59:31 PM
This needs the sick tag.
 
2013-03-07 02:08:38 PM
Or ones without gold-plated medical insurance
 
2013-03-07 02:09:44 PM
If you get cancer and can afford it, go to MD Anderson in Houston.
 
2013-03-07 02:12:58 PM
Yet another reason for-profit medical care needs to go.

/but it won't
 
2013-03-07 02:20:07 PM
her rare cancer had spread throughout her body, including her brain, she and her husband refused to accept a death sentence.

Its sad and I'm sorry, but at that point, it IS a death sentence, and you would be better off accepting it and trying to enjoy your last few months here on Earth.
 
2013-03-07 02:21:56 PM
Cancer Treatment Centers of America, the Charter Schools of the medical world.
 
2013-03-07 02:25:30 PM

vernonFL: her rare cancer had spread throughout her body, including her brain, she and her husband refused to accept a death sentence.

Its sad and I'm sorry, but at that point, it IS a death sentence, and you would be better off accepting it and trying to enjoy your last few months here on Earth.


It is a sad story, but yeah, she should have blown all her cash on living life to the fullest. If I ever get that diagnosis, the first thing I'm going to do is start senselessly murdering people for doing things that marginally annoy me. It's just something I've always wanted to do.

:D
 
2013-03-07 02:33:20 PM

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: vernonFL: her rare cancer had spread throughout her body, including her brain, she and her husband refused to accept a death sentence.

Its sad and I'm sorry, but at that point, it IS a death sentence, and you would be better off accepting it and trying to enjoy your last few months here on Earth.

It is a sad story, but yeah, she should have blown all her cash on living life to the fullest. If I ever get that diagnosis, the first thing I'm going to do is start senselessly murdering people for doing things that marginally annoy me. It's just something I've always wanted to do.

:D


You, sir, are a Patriot of the First Order and should be honored as such!

/wut
 
2013-03-07 02:39:19 PM

show me: You, sir, are a Patriot of the First Order and should be honored as such!

/wut


I'm a small man, with small dreams. Like blowing up tailgaters with a trunk mounted rocket launcher.
 
2013-03-07 03:24:22 PM

minoridiot: If you get cancer and can afford it, go to MD Anderson in Houston.


The one here in Orlando is top-notch, too.  But I read that Houston's is expanding.

A dear, close friend was diagnosed with Stage 4 colon cancer last summer (at 52).  Metastisizing.  They removed it, hit the right combo of chemo, and operating on all that remained yesterday.  Her experience with MD has been outstanding.  From effectiveness, to involvement, to comfort level.  All of it.
 
2013-03-07 03:30:12 PM

Gecko Gingrich: Cancer Treatment Centers of America, the Charter Schools of the medical world.

 
2013-03-07 03:35:29 PM
Within days, Keith Hilborn was on the phone with an "oncology information specialist" at Cancer Treatment Centers of America.

Uh oh... that should NEVER be in "quotes".
 
2013-03-07 03:36:51 PM
Isn't that place owned by some right wing blowhard?
 
2013-03-07 03:37:22 PM

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: show me: You, sir, are a Patriot of the First Order and should be honored as such!

/wut

I'm a small man, with small dreams. Like blowing up tailgaters with a trunk mounted rocket launcher.


I want one too.
 
2013-03-07 03:37:58 PM
I find their adverts interrupting Twilight Zone repugnant.
 
2013-03-07 03:38:49 PM

Gecko Gingrich: Cancer Treatment Centers of America, the Charter Schools of the medical world.


Came here to post this.
 
2013-03-07 03:39:19 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Isn't that place owned by some right wing blowhard?


FTFA:  "In 1966 he became a trustee of Americans Building Constitutionally, an organization that helped wealthy individuals set up not-for-profit corporations and personal trusts to avoid paying federal income and inheritance taxes. "

Yep.
 
2013-03-07 03:39:44 PM
their first commercial featured a woman who lived to enjoy horseback riding with her woman friend. second one was guy with peculiar chin patch hair worried about wife. 3rd, a doctor who was concerned for his wife, as he didn't seem to know a damn thing about medicine. fourth commercial features a woman who tells us she was 'the strongest woman in the world'.

clearly they are not looking for your average customer.
 
2013-03-07 03:39:47 PM
Yahoo news writers seem to be journalistic prostitutes that write hit pieces for the highest bidder, so I take anything that appears on their site with a grain of salt.
 
2013-03-07 03:40:11 PM

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: vernonFL: her rare cancer had spread throughout her body, including her brain, she and her husband refused to accept a death sentence.

Its sad and I'm sorry, but at that point, it IS a death sentence, and you would be better off accepting it and trying to enjoy your last few months here on Earth.

It is a sad story, but yeah, she should have blown all her cash on living life to the fullest. If I ever get that diagnosis, the first thing I'm going to do is start senselessly murdering people for doing things that marginally annoy me. It's just something I've always wanted to do.

:D


The aristocrat
 
2013-03-07 03:40:17 PM

minoridiot: If you get cancer and can afford it, go to MD Anderson in Houston.


.

My mother had ovarian cancer which apparently kills within a year or two.  She went to MD Anderson and lasted 8 years past the average
 
2013-03-07 03:41:05 PM
... and this is a surprise? Really? Yeah, because if a hostipal is telling me they don't have any more options, I'm going to go to a for-even-more-profit center.  Stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid.
 
2013-03-07 03:42:00 PM
TFA: "founded in 1988 by Richard J. Stephenson, who has served as chairman ever since. Stephenson, who declined to comment for this article, serves on the board of FreedomWorks...A graduate of Northwestern University Law School, Stephenson started out as an investment banker. In 1966 he became a trustee of Americans Building Constitutionally... "

Oh FFS.  That's cartoon-villain territory right there.
 
2013-03-07 03:42:07 PM

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: show me: You, sir, are a Patriot of the First Order and should be honored as such!

/wut

I'm a small man, with small dreams. Like blowing up tailgaters with a trunk mounted rocket launcher.


You. Are. My. Hero.
 
2013-03-07 03:42:29 PM
this is the sort of misleading advertising that deserves jailtime
 
2013-03-07 03:43:26 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Or ones without gold-plated medical insurance


^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^

end of line.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-03-07 03:44:25 PM
"go to the store. You're done."

WTF does that MEAN?
 
2013-03-07 03:44:35 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Isn't that place owned by some right wing blowhard?




The one in Tulsa originally was a hostiptal founded by Oral Roberts. God told him to start a hostiptal and an university. What god failed to mention is that a hostiptal wasn't needed in Tulsa and it folded.
 
2013-03-07 03:44:58 PM

vernonFL: her rare cancer had spread throughout her body, including her brain, she and her husband refused to accept a death sentence.

Its sad and I'm sorry, but at that point, it IS a death sentence, and you would be better off accepting it and trying to enjoy your last few months here on Earth.


This. They do a lot of work for free and treating people who they know have no chance is a waste of $25,000 treatments that could go to help someone that has a fighting chance.
 
2013-03-07 03:45:07 PM

seadoo2006: ... and this is a surprise? Really? Yeah, because if a hostipal is telling me they don't have any more options, I'm going to go to a for-even-more-profit center.  Stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid.


They're selling hope! It's like they're dream merchants.
 
2013-03-07 03:45:41 PM
Went to UVA to see a specialist that still is treating brain tumor that is in remission. They've done surgery and radiation. Of course i had dr bills before i got back home but they saved my life.


/LOVE Charlottesville

/Go Hoo's
 
2013-03-07 03:46:13 PM
In some ways it makes sense to tae patients that way, though the advertising is kind of shiatty.

It can be like battlefield triage.  Spending your resources on a dude with half his body blown off isn't really all that helpful if you can treat 2-3 guys with survivable wounds.

But yeah if you advertise that you have great survival rates then you pretty much suck.
 
2013-03-07 03:46:21 PM

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: vernonFL: her rare cancer had spread throughout her body, including her brain, she and her husband refused to accept a death sentence.

Its sad and I'm sorry, but at that point, it IS a death sentence, and you would be better off accepting it and trying to enjoy your last few months here on Earth.

It is a sad story, but yeah, she should have blown all her cash on living life to the fullest. If I ever get that diagnosis, the first thing I'm going to do is start senselessly murdering people for doing things that marginally annoy me. It's just something I've always wanted to do.

:D


Similar type took my wife almost 4 years ago at 33, once it hit the brain we stopped fighting and took lots of trips.  Lots of great memories of life experiences rather than lots of memories of hospital stays.
 
2013-03-07 03:46:56 PM

HotWingConspiracy: seadoo2006: ... and this is a surprise? Really? Yeah, because if a hostipal is telling me they don't have any more options, I'm going to go to a for-even-more-profit center.  Stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid.

They're selling hope! It's like they're dream merchants.


That sounds like socialism to me!
 
2013-03-07 03:47:12 PM

HotWingConspiracy: seadoo2006: ... and this is a surprise? Really? Yeah, because if a hostipal is telling me they don't have any more options, I'm going to go to a for-even-more-profit center.  Stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid.

They're selling hope! It's like they're dream merchants.


valar morghulis
 
2013-03-07 03:47:33 PM
Welcome to America. Don't get sick and you'll be just fine.
 
2013-03-07 03:48:25 PM
So should we rank these groups by having a playoff or just use the old BCS calculator?
 
2013-03-07 03:49:07 PM

nekom: Yet another reason for-profit medical care needs to go.

/but it won't


Do you think that there is any hospital that is actually non profit?

Non profit it just a business category.
 
2013-03-07 03:49:23 PM

goatleggedfellow: So should we rank these groups by having a playoff or just use the old BCS calculator?


I'd prefer Hunger Games rules ... let them each eat other until there is only one left.
 
2013-03-07 03:49:26 PM

skullkrusher: this is the sort of misleading advertising that deserves jailtime


I'd prefer we go mid evil
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-03-07 03:49:35 PM

Jument: Welcome to America. Don't get sick and you'll be just fine.


i739.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-07 03:50:24 PM

Oldiron_79: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: vernonFL: her rare cancer had spread throughout her body, including her brain, she and her husband refused to accept a death sentence.

Its sad and I'm sorry, but at that point, it IS a death sentence, and you would be better off accepting it and trying to enjoy your last few months here on Earth.

It is a sad story, but yeah, she should have blown all her cash on living life to the fullest. If I ever get that diagnosis, the first thing I'm going to do is start senselessly murdering people for doing things that marginally annoy me. It's just something I've always wanted to do.

:D

The aristocrat


If im ever terminal Im gonna o.d. on cocaine and viagra whilst farking multiple whores.
 
2013-03-07 03:50:29 PM

nekom: Yet another reason for-profit medical care needs to go.

/but it won't


Why do you hate capitalism?
 
2013-03-07 03:50:41 PM

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: vernonFL: her rare cancer had spread throughout her body, including her brain, she and her husband refused to accept a death sentence.

Its sad and I'm sorry, but at that point, it IS a death sentence, and you would be better off accepting it and trying to enjoy your last few months here on Earth.

It is a sad story, but yeah, she should have blown all her cash on living life to the fullest. If I ever get that diagnosis, the first thing I'm going to do is start senselessly murdering people for doing things that marginally annoy me. It's just something I've always wanted to do.

:D


www.slate.com

Approves
 
2013-03-07 03:51:01 PM
I figured there was something dodgy about them just because they advertize so much.
 
2013-03-07 03:51:16 PM

vudukungfu: skullkrusher: this is the sort of misleading advertising that deserves jailtime

I'd prefer we go mid evil


so like Chaotic Neutral?
 
2013-03-07 03:51:46 PM
This is sort of how other countries have lower infant mortality rates in the US because they don't count a lot of preemies as viable births in the first place.
 
2013-03-07 03:51:54 PM
harrumpher.com
Whatever it takes.
 
2013-03-07 03:52:15 PM

elvisaintdead: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Or ones without gold-plated medical insurance

^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^

end of line.


Stanrey Woo, is that you?
 
2013-03-07 03:53:13 PM
Diogenes: Metastasizing

I work for a cancer research publication, so it's a pet peeve.
 
2013-03-07 03:53:21 PM

oryx: I figured there was something dodgy about them just because they advertize so much.


www.shescribes.com
 
2013-03-07 03:53:32 PM

mrlewish: nekom: Yet another reason for-profit medical care needs to go.

/but it won't

Do you think that there is any hospital that is actually non profit?

Non profit it just a business category.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MetroHealth

County ran and the CEO only takes home a total compensation package of $1.1 million ... not bad considering some anesthesiologists take home roughly half that.  Pretty impressive hospitals we have here in NE Ohio ...
 
2013-03-07 03:54:25 PM

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: If I ever get that diagnosis, the first thing I'm going to do is start senselessly murdering people for doing things that marginally annoy me. It's just something I've always wanted to do.


Hmm. At the very least I'd start doing drugs, because fark it.
 
2013-03-07 03:56:06 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Isn't that place owned by some right wing blowhard?


OH SUCH TERRIBLE RIGHT WINGERS!

When I was diagnosed, they took really good care of me and knowing that I wasn't made of money, they dismissed 100% of what my insurance didn't cover. They do the same for many patients, but go ahead, let's bash good people because they don't share your political views.
 
2013-03-07 03:56:25 PM

nekom: Yet another reason for-profit medical care needs to go.

/but it won't


This.

.

Gecko Gingrich: Cancer Treatment Centers of America, the Charter Schools of the medical world.


Your metaphors are intriguing and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
 
2013-03-07 03:56:52 PM

ChipNASA: oryx: I figured there was something dodgy about them just because they advertize so much.

[www.shescribes.com image 425x272]


Hahaha, I wonder how many morons have got sucked in to that. Many I'm guessing, because they're still running the commercials.
 
2013-03-07 03:57:15 PM

ChipNASA: oryx: I figured there was something dodgy about them just because they advertize so much.

[www.shescribes.com image 425x272]




Don't you know only honkies can take advantage of people? They are reclaiming what whitey stole. Btw that squaw is a hottie
 
2013-03-07 03:57:24 PM

oryx: I figured there was something dodgy about them just because they advertize so much.


If you're a good hospital, you don't need to advertise. Just start treating patients and word will get around soon enough.

Fun fact: when I was a kid, I remember there being ads for ambulances. I even remember the tagline: "If it doesn't say Bell on the side, you've just been taken for a ride." Even when I'm in grade school I'm going 'wait, how do you hire an ambulance? Don't you just call 911 and happily take whatever ambulance they give you?'
 
2013-03-07 03:58:16 PM

jehovahs witness protection: HotWingConspiracy: Isn't that place owned by some right wing blowhard?

OH SUCH TERRIBLE RIGHT WINGERS!

When I was diagnosed, they took really good care of me and knowing that I wasn't made of money, they dismissed 100% of what my insurance didn't cover. They do the same for many patients, but go ahead, let's bash good people because they don't share your political views.


Where's the bash? Do you feel like they're ashamed of their political views? Would he not describe himself as right wing?
 
2013-03-07 03:58:46 PM

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: show me: You, sir, are a Patriot of the First Order and should be honored as such!

/wut

I'm a small man, with small dreams. Like blowing up tailgaters with a trunk mounted rocket launcher.


I believe I've played that video game.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-03-07 03:59:12 PM
freehelp.ws

Go to the store... go to the store... go to the store... go to the store...
 
2013-03-07 04:00:03 PM

lordargent: This is sort of how other countries have lower infant mortality rates in the US because they don't count a lot of preemies as viable births in the first place.


I heard that their death cults won't even let them count babies as people until they're 15 years old
 
2013-03-07 04:00:59 PM

jehovahs witness protection: HotWingConspiracy: Isn't that place owned by some right wing blowhard?

OH SUCH TERRIBLE RIGHT WINGERS!

When I was diagnosed, they took really good care of me and knowing that I wasn't made of money, they dismissed 100% of what my insurance didn't cover. They do the same for many patients, but go ahead, let's bash good people because they don't share your political views.


So, was it fun mortgaging your house, selling every asset you had, and promising them your first unborn child, grandchild, and great-grandchild as slaves for the good of the company?
 
2013-03-07 04:01:04 PM
They are just unskewing the results is all
 
2013-03-07 04:01:08 PM

jehovahs witness protection: HotWingConspiracy: Isn't that place owned by some right wing blowhard?

OH SUCH TERRIBLE RIGHT WINGERS!

When I was diagnosed, they took really good care of me and knowing that I wasn't made of money, they dismissed 100% of what my insurance didn't cover. They do the same for many patients, but go ahead, let's bash good people because they don't share your political views.


Um, it seems very likely that could be insurance fraud as well.

Example
Insurance pays a certain % of the total cost for procedures.  If the hospital bill forwarded to the insurance company is for $200, and the insurer covers $100, and you pay $0 instead of $100, the hospital should have charged the insurer $100 of which the insurer would have covered $50.

Of course, they could have billed $400, $200 would have been covered, and they look oh so generous since they waved the $0 balance for you.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-03-07 04:01:50 PM
Using the latest software, too...

videogamecritic.com
 
2013-03-07 04:02:10 PM

MyKingdomForYourHorse: They are just unskewing the results is all


Harmonizing the statistical quirks, as it were.
 
2013-03-07 04:03:31 PM

chubby muppet: [harrumpher.com image 184x181]
Whatever it takes.

Snip picture of yellow bracelet. Livestrong is such a BS foundation. They aren't Cancer Research, they are Cancer Awareness. Might as well throw money at the Human Fund.
On a side note Cancer survival rates are also BS. You have cancer, we cut it out, you survived. (but what if you die 5 years later do they adjust the rates? Nope).
 
2013-03-07 04:03:50 PM

minoridiot: If you get cancer and can afford it, go to MD Anderson in Houston.


Went there.  Couldn't wait to escape.

/YMMV
 
2013-03-07 04:04:03 PM
Selecting your own samples to ensure better-than-average results, and then trumpeting from the roof-tops about your results?

Sounds like someone has been paying attention to how charter/private schools are run.
 
2013-03-07 04:05:24 PM

chubby muppet: [harrumpher.com image 184x181]
Whatever it takes.


Well done
 
2013-03-07 04:06:10 PM

Mid_mo_mad_man: ChipNASA: oryx: I figured there was something dodgy about them just because they advertize so much.

[www.shescribes.com image 425x272]

Don't you know only honkies can take advantage of people? They are reclaiming what whitey stole. Btw that squaw is a hottie


I know someone that saw the paperwork of someone that got a $15k loan from them at 99% interest for 6 years.  Don't do the math because it's sickening, he couldn't get a loan anywhere else and needed the money.
 
2013-03-07 04:06:26 PM
So twisted.......death panels exist with the insurance companies, hospitals and "treatment centers"
 
2013-03-07 04:06:44 PM
FTFA:

CTCA is not unique in turning away patients. A lot of doctors, hospitals and other healthcare providers in the United States decline to treat people who can't pay, or have inadequate insurance

^ This is why the United States sucks ass.
 
2013-03-07 04:08:02 PM
I have cured 100 percent of the people who have been treated for cancer, AIDS, and hiccups here in my apartment!
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-03-07 04:08:47 PM

findthefish: So twisted.......death panels exist with the insurance companies, hospitals and "treatment centers"


And it's OKAY if the corporations do it.

encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
 
2013-03-07 04:12:53 PM
Pretty much everything you see in an advertisement is a lie. Advertising lowers your quality of life by making you unhappy. People in advertising should really follow Bill Hicks' advice.
 
2013-03-07 04:14:46 PM

oryx: I figured there was something dodgy about them just because they advertize so much.


That's the way I feel about Geico.
 
2013-03-07 04:15:46 PM
Should be obvious that Cancer Treatment Centers don't take terminal cases.  They didn't take in Hugo Chavez.  Chavez had to go to Cuba instead for treatment.
 
2013-03-07 04:19:14 PM
This is an outstanding example of the free market at work. It is also an outstanding example of why the free market needs to be regulated.
 
2013-03-07 04:21:37 PM
move to Lexington, Ky and go to Markey Cancer Center at UK Hospital.  They accept everyone (i had no insurance and was placed on medicaid/medicare) and have a top-notch facility.  I had a rare stage 4 lymphoblastic leukemia and less than a 20% chance to survive it.  That was 7 years ago and I'm actually off state benefits and back to a regular life.  My only problems now are regular ones, like finding a job and paying bills and regular stuff.
 
2013-03-07 04:25:44 PM

red230: This is an outstanding example of the free market at work. It is also an outstanding example of why the free market needs to be regulated.


This is the USA!  You don't dare regulate the sacred Free Market in the USA.  'Cause any regulating of the Free Market is anti-American socialism.  You also must realize that the Free Market IS the backbone of the American Republic, so don't you dare touch it.
 
2013-03-07 04:26:45 PM

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: vernonFL: her rare cancer had spread throughout her body, including her brain, she and her husband refused to accept a death sentence.

Its sad and I'm sorry, but at that point, it IS a death sentence, and you would be better off accepting it and trying to enjoy your last few months here on Earth.

It is a sad story, but yeah, she should have blown all her cash on living life to the fullest. If I ever get that diagnosis, the first thing I'm going to do is start senselessly murdering people for doing things that marginally annoy me. It's just something I've always wanted to do.

:D


www.nerdlocker.com

Shut up, crime!
 
2013-03-07 04:27:56 PM
Cancer Treatment Centers of America. Phony. Worthless. Useless.

If you get cancer, suck it up & die the obama way. You weren't going to pay much in taxes anyway.

Just do the sensible. Die.
 
2013-03-07 04:29:41 PM

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: show me: You, sir, are a Patriot of the First Order and should be honored as such!

/wut

I'm a small man, with small dreams. Like blowing up tailgaters with a trunk mounted rocket launcher.


You don't like beer and chicken wings?
 
2013-03-07 04:30:04 PM
...the for-profit, privately held company's Philadelphia affiliate, Eastern Regional Medical Center.

There's the problem right there. Saving lives and fixing ailments of the human body should never be about profit.

Ever notice how we can cheer a person that saves another person's life, say from a car crash, flood, or other calamity as a hero, but once the victim gets to the hospital their life may not be saved if they don't have the correct resources. Does that not make the hospital the villain? The opportunity to save a life squandered by greed. Is that not villainy? Is that not nearly as bad as intentionally taking a life out of greed? Could it not be argued that they might be one and the same?
 
2013-03-07 04:30:04 PM

ChipNASA: oryx: I figured there was something dodgy about them just because they advertize so much.

[www.shescribes.com image 425x272]



You could always Sioux them if it turned out they were shady characters.
 
2013-03-07 04:30:54 PM

minoridiot: If you get cancer and can afford it, go to MD Anderson in Houston.


Fark that.  Go see Dr. Joe Brown in Phoenix.  That SOB was diagnosed with stage 4 cancer when he was in his 20's.  That pissed him off so much we went and cured himself.  Now he's a hotshot oncologist.
 
2013-03-07 04:34:11 PM

Tom_Slick: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: vernonFL: her rare cancer had spread throughout her body, including her brain, she and her husband refused to accept a death sentence.

Its sad and I'm sorry, but at that point, it IS a death sentence, and you would be better off accepting it and trying to enjoy your last few months here on Earth.

It is a sad story, but yeah, she should have blown all her cash on living life to the fullest. If I ever get that diagnosis, the first thing I'm going to do is start senselessly murdering people for doing things that marginally annoy me. It's just something I've always wanted to do.

:D

Similar type took my wife almost 4 years ago at 33, once it hit the brain we stopped fighting and took lots of trips.  Lots of great memories of life experiences rather than lots of memories of hospital stays.


I'm sorry about your wife.
 
2013-03-07 04:35:15 PM

KrustyKitten: Tom_Slick: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: vernonFL: her rare cancer had spread throughout her body, including her brain, she and her husband refused to accept a death sentence.

Its sad and I'm sorry, but at that point, it IS a death sentence, and you would be better off accepting it and trying to enjoy your last few months here on Earth.

It is a sad story, but yeah, she should have blown all her cash on living life to the fullest. If I ever get that diagnosis, the first thing I'm going to do is start senselessly murdering people for doing things that marginally annoy me. It's just something I've always wanted to do.

:D

Similar type took my wife almost 4 years ago at 33, once it hit the brain we stopped fighting and took lots of trips.  Lots of great memories of life experiences rather than lots of memories of hospital stays.

I'm sorry about your wife.


X2
 
2013-03-07 04:35:21 PM

minoridiot: If you get cancer and can afford it, go to MD Anderson in Houston.


They saved my stepdad's life back in the late '70s. He went back for yearly follow-up appointments for about 25 years and couldn't say enough good things about the place.
 
2013-03-07 04:35:29 PM

HotWingConspiracy: jehovahs witness protection: HotWingConspiracy: Isn't that place owned by some right wing blowhard?

OH SUCH TERRIBLE RIGHT WINGERS!

When I was diagnosed, they took really good care of me and knowing that I wasn't made of money, they dismissed 100% of what my insurance didn't cover. They do the same for many patients, but go ahead, let's bash good people because they don't share your political views.

Where's the bash? Do you feel like they're ashamed of their political views? Would he not describe himself as right wing?


Right wing is the new "liberal."  They don't want to be labeled as being batcrap crazy...even though they are.  Enjoy the margins whackadoodles.
 
2013-03-07 04:36:38 PM

nekom: Yet another reason for-profit medical care needs to go.

/but it won't


Really? You're so stupid as to let one hospital make you want to completely change the medicine is practiced?

How's voting for Obama working out for ya?

You're a fool on both counts.
 
2013-03-07 04:37:45 PM
I've found that prayer cures most cancers - in the good people anyway.
 
2013-03-07 04:37:48 PM

oryx: I figured there was something dodgy about them just because they advertize so much.


I feel that way about a lot of companies.
 
2013-03-07 04:39:28 PM

d23: [freehelp.ws image 370x291]

Go to the store... go to the store... go to the store... go to the store...


freehelp.ws

Damn, my dad only lasted 24 days from his diagnosis.
 
2013-03-07 04:39:30 PM

Tom_Slick: Similar type took my wife almost 4 years ago at 33, once it hit the brain we stopped fighting and took lots of trips.  Lots of great memories of life experiences rather than lots of memories of hospital stays.


I'm very sorry for your loss, and glad that you chose to live life well with her. Well done.
 
2013-03-07 04:41:41 PM

minoridiot: If you get cancer and can afford it, go to MD Anderson in Houston.


Agreed, althrough to be honest any in the top ten gives you a much better chance; Cleveland Clinic, Mayo Clinic, Mass General, etc.

Also agreed that MD Anderson Orlando tends to get ranked Houston, but has a very progressive Neurological Cancer department.

Thinks about it like this, MD Anderson Houston was one of the first locations with a Proton Therapy facility, MD Anderson Orlando will have theirs completed in the next couple years. If a standard LINAC Suite costs about $5 million and a stereotactic LINAC suite goes for about $7 million it says something when a hospital group builds the facility required for a Proton Accelerator that costs from $100 to $200 million dollars,
 
2013-03-07 04:43:21 PM

nekom: Yet another reason for-profit medical care needs to go.

/but it won't


Actually I think it's a reason we need some sort of consumer protection agency which regulates bullshiat claims made by companies. Well, we sort of have that as part of the FTC, but they're somewhat toothless.

OTOH, I've seen commercials from this place, and I don't really pay much attention to them - why should I? I don't have cancer AFAIK, (knock wood) but the only claims I've noticed them making are very anecdotal and they just say that they really care for their patients and that not everyone dies.

"For profit" is actually a misunderstood term. A non-profit organization is still going to generate revenue. They're still going to pay salaries and wages to their employees.

Consider this. I'm going to start a non-profit charity to grant Total Fark to as many people as possible. I'll do fund-raisers and buy tons of advertising - the advertising agency I'll use will also be owned by me, but we won't talk about that. I'll be the CEO of both the non-profit charity AND the advertising agency. My annual salary will be $900,000 (for both of them). If I start bringing in enough money on the Total Fark non-profit, I'll simply spend more on advertising and perhaps give myself a bonus (on the advertising company's books).

We'll spend 10% of our cash-flow on granting Total Fark to people I deem worthy.

So "non-profit" does not necessarily mean a whole lot, does it?

Doctors and medical staff and even pharmaceutical companies still have to pay their employees. For profit vs. non-profit is really just a mechanism used for tax purposes and being a non-profit doesn't mean that you're not a bloodsucking parasite.  Non-profit does not mean that the entire organization is living as paupers out of the goodness of their hearts and giving unfortunate people the shirt off their backs to help them.
 
2013-03-07 04:43:53 PM
Peggy Kessler makes me sick. Being a whore for a so-called, for-profit 'Cancer treatment' center means you should have taken the dirt nap.
 
2013-03-07 04:44:12 PM
When my Mom's non-Hodgkin's Lymphoma came back 6 months after seemingly successful treatment, the very CTCA
facility in this story told her they had a 2-month waiting list.  But my Mom isn't their kind of patient.

Fortunately, the Abrams Cancer Center at the University of Pennsylvania (also in Philly) is THE best place in the world for
NHL treatment, and they took her immediately and she underwent a stem cell transplant.  So far so good for her (3
months and counting).

In short:  fark CTCA.
 
2013-03-07 04:45:05 PM
What???  You mean they refuse to treat terminal people and TAKE advantage of people who have no chance to make it???


The outrage is overwhelming.....farkers have no problem crucifying those who scam desperate people out of money except when it comes to the
REAL doctors making bank on desperate people with pretty much zero chance of any recovery.
 
2013-03-07 04:46:15 PM

SploogeTime: Peggy Kessler makes me sick. Being a whore for a so-called, for-profit 'Cancer treatment' center means you should have taken the dirt nap.


there's nothing wrong with being a for-profit cancer treatment center. Just don't lie about your track record and don't give people false hope to increase business.
 
2013-03-07 04:48:14 PM
Well I figured they were like those DUI lawyers who advertise an 80% success rate, which they achieve by only taking easy cases.
 
2013-03-07 04:48:59 PM
FTFA: "But because we see mostly patients with later-stage, complex cancers, they often need something else," he added - psychological and spiritual support as well as "holistic" interventions such as yoga, acupuncture and reiki, a laying-on of hands.

reiki?
 
2013-03-07 04:52:43 PM
Just go to MD Anderson. Everything's state of the art because it's the only thing they do. They have equipment that even oncology departments at good hospitals don't have.

We have a friend with a recurrence of cancer. He lives in the Chicago area, so you'd think he could get it treated there. But the head of the oncology dept. at Northwestern wouldn't do the surgery because it was too complex.

He got treated at MD Anderson and was told a few weeks ago that there are no signs of cancer in his body.

They will help you with travel and lodging, they may be able to get you free flights to and from Houston.

And if you have frequent flier miles that you're not going to use, consider donating them to MD Anderson. That's how they get free flights for patients.
 
2013-03-07 04:53:36 PM

Agent Smiths Laugh: ...the for-profit, privately held company's Philadelphia affiliate, Eastern Regional Medical Center.

There's the problem right there. Saving lives and fixing ailments of the human body should never be about profit.


Well what are you waiting for? Go right ahead and drop six figures on medical school and then give away your time for nothing if that is what floats your boat. Or you could sink billions into R&D for some new treatments and then give them away for free. The options are endless when you have no farking idea how the world works!
 
2013-03-07 04:55:58 PM

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: show me: You, sir, are a Patriot of the First Order and should be honored as such!

/wut

I'm a small man, with small dreams. Like blowing up tailgaters with a trunk mounted rocket launcher.


How's about a foward mounted one?
I have a small target painted on my tailgate for when a travel comfortably at just above the speed limit in the left lane.
I like to give people something to dream about doing while they are trying to get around me.
 
2013-03-07 04:56:20 PM
People who work at hospitals are desensitized and can be huge assholes. When my grandmother was got sick and was in the hospital, the doctor asked her if she wanted to continue treatment. When she said yes, he told her "You'll be dead by Christmas anyway".  I wanted to punch his face off. While it may have been true it's a shiatty thing to say to someone if you're their doctor.
 
2013-03-07 04:56:37 PM

umad: Agent Smiths Laugh: ...the for-profit, privately held company's Philadelphia affiliate, Eastern Regional Medical Center.

There's the problem right there. Saving lives and fixing ailments of the human body should never be about profit.

Well what are you waiting for? Go right ahead and drop six figures on medical school and then give away your time for nothing if that is what floats your boat. Or you could sink billions into R&D for some new treatments and then give them away for free. The options are endless when you have no farking idea how the world works!


I don't want to live in your shiatty world.  You know where some of the best doctors in the world come from? Cuba.  Do you know how much a person would spend on med school in Cuba? $0.
 
2013-03-07 04:56:50 PM
This place just sells woo along with everything else.  It's proven (no, google it yourself), that nutrition and all the other woo they sell doesn't change your survival rate.  It might make you feel better about dying or going to chemo, but at the end of the day, MD Anderson in Houston for me.  It helps it's less than an hour away too.

While they don't have a "waiting list", it does take time to see a specialist unfortunately.  I had two cousins recently die from cancer and while the first one had a long time with it, the second only lasted a month and never really had a chance to even get to MD Anderson.  Fark you cancer.
 
2013-03-07 04:56:55 PM
farm9.staticflickr.com
My wife had breast cancer that had spread throughout her body, yet they took her for treatment in the spring of 2001. Maybe the fact that we had %100 coverage through BCBS. I've always believed that they added almost a year to her life after the local oncologists had given up.

Yes the guy sounds like a scumbag, but I still remember the great staff in Zion.
 
2013-03-07 04:59:59 PM

FarkedOver: umad: Agent Smiths Laugh: ...the for-profit, privately held company's Philadelphia affiliate, Eastern Regional Medical Center.

There's the problem right there. Saving lives and fixing ailments of the human body should never be about profit.

Well what are you waiting for? Go right ahead and drop six figures on medical school and then give away your time for nothing if that is what floats your boat. Or you could sink billions into R&D for some new treatments and then give them away for free. The options are endless when you have no farking idea how the world works!

I don't want to live in your shiatty world.  You know where some of the best doctors in the world come from? Cuba.  Do you know how much a person would spend on med school in Cuba? $0.


So teachers shouldn't profit either. Is their anybody in your world who deserves to be paid for their work?
 
2013-03-07 05:01:15 PM

umad: FarkedOver: umad: Agent Smiths Laugh: ...the for-profit, privately held company's Philadelphia affiliate, Eastern Regional Medical Center.

There's the problem right there. Saving lives and fixing ailments of the human body should never be about profit.

Well what are you waiting for? Go right ahead and drop six figures on medical school and then give away your time for nothing if that is what floats your boat. Or you could sink billions into R&D for some new treatments and then give them away for free. The options are endless when you have no farking idea how the world works!

I don't want to live in your shiatty world.  You know where some of the best doctors in the world come from? Cuba.  Do you know how much a person would spend on med school in Cuba? $0.

So teachers shouldn't profit either. Is their anybody in your world who deserves to be paid for their work?


*there
 
2013-03-07 05:02:32 PM

Happy Hours: nekom: Yet another reason for-profit medical care needs to go.

/but it won't

Actually I think it's a reason we need some sort of consumer protection agency which regulates bullshiat claims made by companies. Well, we sort of have that as part of the FTC, but they're somewhat toothless.

OTOH, I've seen commercials from this place, and I don't really pay much attention to them - why should I? I don't have cancer AFAIK, (knock wood) but the only claims I've noticed them making are very anecdotal and they just say that they really care for their patients and that not everyone dies.

"For profit" is actually a misunderstood term. A non-profit organization is still going to generate revenue. They're still going to pay salaries and wages to their employees.

Consider this. I'm going to start a non-profit charity to grant Total Fark to as many people as possible. I'll do fund-raisers and buy tons of advertising - the advertising agency I'll use will also be owned by me, but we won't talk about that. I'll be the CEO of both the non-profit charity AND the advertising agency. My annual salary will be $900,000 (for both of them). If I start bringing in enough money on the Total Fark non-profit, I'll simply spend more on advertising and perhaps give myself a bonus (on the advertising company's books).

We'll spend 10% of our cash-flow on granting Total Fark to people I deem worthy.

So "non-profit" does not necessarily mean a whole lot, does it?

Doctors and medical staff and even pharmaceutical companies still have to pay their employees. For profit vs. non-profit is really just a mechanism used for tax purposes and being a non-profit doesn't mean that you're not a bloodsucking parasite.  Non-profit does not mean that the entire organization is living as paupers out of the goodness of their hearts and giving unfortunate people the shirt off their backs to help them.


However, For-Profit institutions usually have investors that require a share of the profit and expect more each year.  Usually achieved by either cutting corners or raising prices.  Neither is good for the patients.
 
2013-03-07 05:02:39 PM

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: vernonFL: her rare cancer had spread throughout her body, including her brain, she and her husband refused to accept a death sentence.

Its sad and I'm sorry, but at that point, it IS a death sentence, and you would be better off accepting it and trying to enjoy your last few months here on Earth.

It is a sad story, but yeah, she should have blown all her cash on living life to the fullest. If I ever get that diagnosis, the first thing I'm going to do is start senselessly murdering people for doing things that marginally annoy me. It's just something I've always wanted to do.

:D


www.dvd-covers.org
 
2013-03-07 05:02:48 PM

neversubmit: FTFA: "But because we see mostly patients with later-stage, complex cancers, they often need something else," he added - psychological and spiritual support as well as "holistic" interventions such as yoga, acupuncture and reiki, a laying-on of hands.

reiki?


Similar to the skill a Paladin class character has, a laying on of hands. It's kind of a lame skill, though. If you get cancer you really need a cleric.
 
2013-03-07 05:04:54 PM
ahem,
"It makes their data look better than it is," said Robert Strawderman, professor and chairman of biostatistics at the University of Rochester. "So the comparisons used to suggest that CTCA has better survival rates are pretty meaningless."

that is all

/he would know
//and I'm surprised no one else noticed
 
2013-03-07 05:04:58 PM
I thought the CTCA was for the same people that went to Phoenix university.
 
2013-03-07 05:05:02 PM

umad: umad: FarkedOver: umad: Agent Smiths Laugh: ...the for-profit, privately held company's Philadelphia affiliate, Eastern Regional Medical Center.

There's the problem right there. Saving lives and fixing ailments of the human body should never be about profit.

Well what are you waiting for? Go right ahead and drop six figures on medical school and then give away your time for nothing if that is what floats your boat. Or you could sink billions into R&D for some new treatments and then give them away for free. The options are endless when you have no farking idea how the world works!

I don't want to live in your shiatty world.  You know where some of the best doctors in the world come from? Cuba.  Do you know how much a person would spend on med school in Cuba? $0.

So teachers shouldn't profit either. Is their anybody in your world who deserves to be paid for their work?

*there


Doctors and teachers should all be compensated.  You know who should bankroll this operation? The wealthy.  If we raise taxes on the wealthiest Americans by 10% guess what will happen?  The wealthiest Americans will still be the wealthiest farking Americans! THE HORROR!
 
2013-03-07 05:07:00 PM

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: show me: You, sir, are a Patriot of the First Order and should be honored as such!

/wut

I'm a small man, with small dreams. Like blowing up tailgaters with a trunk mounted rocket launcher.


For a second I thought you were talking about tailgating parties and wondered what kind of awesome night you didn't get invited to that left you with the kind of resentment that inspires origin stories of b slasher movie villains.
/tailgating after a LARP meetup this Saturday. Please don't kill us if you get diagnosed with something terminal between now and then.
 
2013-03-07 05:07:11 PM

SploogeTime: Cancer Treatment Centers of America. Phony. Worthless. Useless.

If you get cancer, suck it up & die the obama way. You weren't going to pay much in taxes anyway.

Just do the sensible. Die.


How you read shiat like this and come away mad at Obama is bizarre. Get help, maybe find a nice non-profit.
 
2013-03-07 05:07:36 PM

eagles95: Went to UVA to see a specialist that still is treating brain tumor that is in remission. They've done surgery and radiation. Of course i had dr bills before i got back home but they saved my life.


/LOVE Charlottesville

/Go Hoo's


My mom got melanoma 3x and was treated at UVA.  She has been cancer free for 8 years now.  They have a fantastic medical program and hospital.  (My wife was a 'hoo)
 
2013-03-07 05:07:53 PM

seadoo2006: mrlewish: nekom: Yet another reason for-profit medical care needs to go.

/but it won't

Do you think that there is any hospital that is actually non profit?

Non profit it just a business category.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MetroHealth

County ran and the CEO only takes home a total compensation package of $1.1 million ... not bad considering some anesthesiologists take home roughly half that.  Pretty impressive hospitals we have here in NE Ohio ...


And anesthesiologists have access to the best drugs. If I ever get serious about suicide, I'd like to consult one.

Someone upthread mentioned suicide by cocaine, viagra and hookers. That might be a fun ride on the way to death, but somehow I think the actual death won't be that great. Hopefully it would be quick when your heart explodes but feeling like you've taken too much cocaine is not really that good of a feeling IMO. And no, I didn't even die from it
 
2013-03-07 05:11:09 PM

DownDaRiver: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: show me: You, sir, are a Patriot of the First Order and should be honored as such!

/wut

I'm a small man, with small dreams. Like blowing up tailgaters with a trunk mounted rocket launcher.

How's about a foward mounted one?
I have a small target painted on my tailgate for when a travel comfortably at just above the speed limit in the left lane.
I like to give people something to dream about doing while they are trying to get around me.


Challenge accepted. What road do you drive on most often?
 
2013-03-07 05:12:37 PM

jehovahs witness protection: HotWingConspiracy: Isn't that place owned by some right wing blowhard?

OH SUCH TERRIBLE RIGHT WINGERS!

When I was diagnosed, they took really good care of me and knowing that I wasn't made of money, they dismissed 100% of what my insurance didn't cover. They do the same for many patients, but go ahead, let's bash good people because they don't share your political views.


I use to work at a hospital. Sure, they do some write offs for tax purposes (charity) but they don't do a lot. They will ration or deny you care the moment you become too costly. Don't be foolish enough to think that being uninsured and poor isn't a death sentence for most Americans. It is. I also worked as a health aide and for Hospice. I have sat with someone laying on their death bed as they held my hand and cried because they were dying as a result of doctors and hospitals cutting off care when finances ran out. So, you lived. Millions don't. No Christian nation denies care to so many.
 
2013-03-07 05:13:57 PM

umad: FarkedOver: umad: Agent Smiths Laugh: ...the for-profit, privately held company's Philadelphia affiliate, Eastern Regional Medical Center.

There's the problem right there. Saving lives and fixing ailments of the human body should never be about profit.

Well what are you waiting for? Go right ahead and drop six figures on medical school and then give away your time for nothing if that is what floats your boat. Or you could sink billions into R&D for some new treatments and then give them away for free. The options are endless when you have no farking idea how the world works!

I don't want to live in your shiatty world.  You know where some of the best doctors in the world come from? Cuba.  Do you know how much a person would spend on med school in Cuba? $0.

So teachers shouldn't profit either. Is their anybody in your world who deserves to be paid for their work?


Best doctors in the world are in Cuba? Is it because they have to be so good since they don't have anything to work with? Also, I'd like to know what metrics are used in determining "the best doctors in the world".  is it what the people there say, because:

"formally eliciting critical narratives about health care would be viewed as a criminal act both for me as a researcher, and for people who spoke openly with me "

Also:

"there is no right to privacy in the physician-patient relationship in Cuba, no patients' right of informed consent, no right to refuse treatment, and no right to protest or sue for malpractice "

"Hirschfeld describes a case where a doctor said that if the ultrasound examination revealed "some fetal abnormalities", the woman "would have an abortion", to avoid an increase in the infant mortality rate "

From Wikipedia. Though I doubt about Wiki articles, knowing how socialist politics have to govern health care in order for it to be successful these all make complete sense.
 
2013-03-07 05:14:24 PM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Um, it seems very likely that could be insurance fraud as well.

Example
Insurance pays a certain % of the total cost for procedures.  If the hospital bill forwarded to the insurance company is for $200, and the insurer covers $100, and you pay $0 instead of $100, the hospital should have charged the insurer $100 of which the insurer would have covered $50.

Of course, they could have billed $400, $200 would have been covered, and they look oh so generous since they waved the $0 balance for you.


There's a concept called UCR (usual, customary, and reasonable) that insurers will pay based upon. What is a reasonable charge to shove a scope up someone's ass in LA is different than in NYC is different than in Des Moines. A contracted provider will agree to accept an insurer's UCR x some number as payment in full, then charge the guarantor the delta between insurance payment and that contracted rate. Sometimes, a provider will write off some or all of that delta. So, in a nutshell, insurance pays a percentage of the billed amount, but not a set percentage.
 
2013-03-07 05:16:10 PM
Can't wait for the obama death camps. Looking good!
 
2013-03-07 05:17:42 PM

FarkedOver: Doctors and teachers should all be compensated.  You know who should bankroll this operation? The wealthy.  If we raise taxes on the wealthiest Americans by 10% guess what will happen?  The wealthiest Americans will still be the wealthiest farking Americans! THE HORROR!


We can't do that, that's un-American.
 
2013-03-07 05:20:25 PM

MadMattressMack: Best doctors in the world are in Cuba? Is it because they have to be so good since they don't have anything to work with? Also, I'd like to know what metrics are used in determining "the best doctors in the world". is it what the people there say, because:

"formally eliciting critical narratives about health care would be viewed as a criminal act both for me as a researcher, and for people who spoke openly with me "

Also:

"there is no right to privacy in the physician-patient relationship in Cuba, no patients' right of informed consent, no right to refuse treatment, and no right to protest or sue for malpractice "

"Hirschfeld describes a case where a doctor said that if the ultrasound examination revealed "some fetal abnormalities", the woman "would have an abortion", to avoid an increase in the infant mortality rate "

From Wikipedia. Though I doubt about Wiki articles, knowing how socialist politics have to govern health care in order for it to be successful these all make complete sense.


I would say they are the best because of this reason alone:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_medical_internationalism

Doctors are Cuba's number 1 export.  They also work in more under-developed nations than any other doctors.  Their experience alone gives them the right to that claim.  What they do is true humanitarian work.
 
2013-03-07 05:21:29 PM
TFA: "Stephenson, who declined to comment for this article, serves on the board of FreedomWorks, a non-profit group that advocates for small government and low taxes, and he is "very much a free-market guy," CTCA President and Chief Executive Stephen Bonner told Reuters."

/Not surprised
 
2013-03-07 05:21:34 PM
I suspected as much from these assclowns: I walked right out after a fifteen minute initial visit. Some of my friends and clients have tried them, and the consensus is that CTCA's take on curing cancer is based in providing pretty surroundings while administering faith healing and relying on the miraculous power of placebos.

The really sad thing is that people in this city (Philadelphia) have so many great alternatives. Penn oncology is world-class, and while Fox Chase has lost a step or two, it's easily top 50 in the nation among cancer specialty hospitals. Yet this outfit continues to take in people, literally and metaphorically.
 
2013-03-07 05:21:37 PM

SploogeTime: Can't wait for the obama death camps. Looking good!


In all honesty, they're the only way we can top the current for-profit system we have now, at least in terms of inhumanity.
 
2013-03-07 05:23:13 PM
Cancer Treatment Centers of America: Money wraiths draining dying people of their savings and pushing their heirs into bankruptcy since 1988.
 
2013-03-07 05:28:09 PM

The Flexecutioner: move to Lexington, Ky and go to Markey Cancer Center at UK Hospital.  They accept everyone (i had no insurance and was placed on medicaid/medicare) and have a top-notch facility.  I had a rare stage 4 lymphoblastic leukemia and less than a 20% chance to survive it.  That was 7 years ago and I'm actually off state benefits and back to a regular life.  My only problems now are regular ones, like finding a job and paying bills and regular stuff.


My aunt had cancer and that's where she went. They even have little apartments for the patients to stay in while they get treatment. She's still alive today even though she's missing most of a kidney,her bladder,intestines and bowels.
 
2013-03-07 05:28:56 PM

umad: FarkedOver: umad: Agent Smiths Laugh: ...the for-profit, privately held company's Philadelphia affiliate, Eastern Regional Medical Center.

There's the problem right there. Saving lives and fixing ailments of the human body should never be about profit.

Well what are you waiting for? Go right ahead and drop six figures on medical school and then give away your time for nothing if that is what floats your boat. Or you could sink billions into R&D for some new treatments and then give them away for free. The options are endless when you have no farking idea how the world works!

I don't want to live in your shiatty world.  You know where some of the best doctors in the world come from? Cuba.  Do you know how much a person would spend on med school in Cuba? $0.

So teachers shouldn't profit either. Is their anybody in your world who deserves to be paid for their work?


I thought right wingers did believe that teachers shouldn't be paid?
 
2013-03-07 05:30:17 PM
Guess what... that's how private schools get such great stats too.  They just don't accept bad students, and they give ones they find to  underperform the boot.  Some public schools in reality are much better than the stats suggest, and some private schools much worse.

But this is a common game for those who like to simply compare numbers and make a conclusion.
 
2013-03-07 05:32:45 PM

FarkedOver: MadMattressMack: Best doctors in the world are in Cuba? Is it because they have to be so good since they don't have anything to work with? Also, I'd like to know what metrics are used in determining "the best doctors in the world". is it what the people there say, because:

"formally eliciting critical narratives about health care would be viewed as a criminal act both for me as a researcher, and for people who spoke openly with me "

Also:

"there is no right to privacy in the physician-patient relationship in Cuba, no patients' right of informed consent, no right to refuse treatment, and no right to protest or sue for malpractice "

"Hirschfeld describes a case where a doctor said that if the ultrasound examination revealed "some fetal abnormalities", the woman "would have an abortion", to avoid an increase in the infant mortality rate "

From Wikipedia. Though I doubt about Wiki articles, knowing how socialist politics have to govern health care in order for it to be successful these all make complete sense.

I would say they are the best because of this reason alone:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_medical_internationalism

Doctors are Cuba's number 1 export.  They also work in more under-developed nations than any other doctors.  Their experience alone gives them the right to that claim.  What they do is true humanitarian work.


From your link:

"Of an estimated 40,000 eligible medical personnel, over 1000 had entered the United States under the program by October 2007"

"An article by Laurie Garrett in Foreign Affairs warns that lifting of the United States trade and travel restrictions on Cuba could have dire consequence's for Cuba's healthcare system, leading to an exodus of thousands of well-trained Cuban healthcare professionals. US companies could also transform the remaining healthcare system into a destination for medical tourism. Garrett concludes that if politicians do not take great care, lifting of the restrictions would rob Cuba of its greatest triumph "

Yes, true humanitarians right there. As long as they are under the boot and heel of their political masters.
 
2013-03-07 05:33:52 PM

Freeballin: This place just sells woo along with everything else.  It's proven (no, google it yourself), that nutrition and all the other woo they sell doesn't change your survival rate.  It might make you feel better about dying or going to chemo, but at the end of the day, MD Anderson in Houston for me.  It helps it's less than an hour away too.

While they don't have a "waiting list", it does take time to see a specialist unfortunately.  I had two cousins recently die from cancer and while the first one had a long time with it, the second only lasted a month and never really had a chance to even get to MD Anderson.  Fark you cancer.


Yeah I haven't seen their commercials in years (internet instead of TV now), but I remember their cured patients marveling at their "nutrition" approach.

WTF, like all the other hospitals DON'T feed you?  And they never realized that starving their patients was what was killing them, rather than cancer, but YOU saw that?

Lemme guess... blueberries and tea, some sort of magic "antioxidants" there?
 
2013-03-07 05:38:05 PM

MadMattressMack: Yes, true humanitarians right there. As long as they are under the boot and heel of their political masters.


You read that any way you like.  I read that and thought "wow, they did all this despite all the U.S. imperialism and sabre-rattling? Good for them."  Whatever you feel about Cuba's "politics", they are the way they are because we shaped them that way.  Our constant assassination/invasion attempts, our economic sanctions..... they have achieved so much despite the United States' best effort to stop it. You want to know why the people live like it is still the 1950s in Cuba? You only need to look to the bully 90 miles north.
 
2013-03-07 05:38:16 PM

nekom: Yet another reason for-profit medical care needs to go.

/but it won't


Yes because non-for profit means quality!  Right?!??!

I don't think you understand how all these things work.
 
2013-03-07 05:41:32 PM

FarkedOver: Doctors are Cuba's number 1 export. They also work in more under-developed nations than any other doctors. Their experience alone gives them the right to that claim. What they do is true humanitarian work.


Yup, and this thread has been too serious, so learn about a the Cuban Gynecologist.
 
2013-03-07 05:44:04 PM
I know the CTCA commercials are not intended to be funny, but the one running currently with the white haired lady who has/had, as I remember, Stage 3 breast cancer, where in one segment she says "when I walked in my level of fear subsided". The part where she says "my level of fear subsided", she looks like she's starting to freak out again.

But seriously, I hope she is doing OK now.
 
2013-03-07 05:47:25 PM
That's a death panel right there.
 
2013-03-07 05:49:54 PM

FarkedOver: MadMattressMack: Yes, true humanitarians right there. As long as they are under the boot and heel of their political masters.

You read that any way you like.  I read that and thought "wow, they did all this despite all the U.S. imperialism and sabre-rattling? Good for them."  Whatever you feel about Cuba's "politics", they are the way they are because we shaped them that way.  Our constant assassination/invasion attempts, our economic sanctions..... they have achieved so much despite the United States' best effort to stop it. You want to know why the people live like it is still the 1950s in Cuba? You only need to look to the bully 90 miles north.


We forced them to start AIDS concentration camps?
 
2013-03-07 05:50:21 PM

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: show me: You, sir, are a Patriot of the First Order and should be honored as such!

/wut

I'm a small man, with small dreams. Like blowing up tailgaters with a trunk mounted rocket launcher.


I am so conflicted! I would never, ever wish cancer on anyone, but... I would really like to see that.
 
2013-03-07 05:55:06 PM

another cultural observer: FarkedOver: MadMattressMack: Yes, true humanitarians right there. As long as they are under the boot and heel of their political masters.

You read that any way you like.  I read that and thought "wow, they did all this despite all the U.S. imperialism and sabre-rattling? Good for them."  Whatever you feel about Cuba's "politics", they are the way they are because we shaped them that way.  Our constant assassination/invasion attempts, our economic sanctions..... they have achieved so much despite the United States' best effort to stop it. You want to know why the people live like it is still the 1950s in Cuba? You only need to look to the bully 90 miles north.

We forced them to start AIDS concentration camps?


No, we forced their chief neurosurgeon to defect and tell us the horror stories about what really happens there. Their healthcare MO is:

"can also incude such practices as deliberate manipulation of health statistics, aggressive political intrusion into health care decision-making, criminalizing dissent, and other forms of authoritarian policing of the health sector designed to insure health changes reflect the (often utopian) predictions of Marxist theory "
 
2013-03-07 05:57:20 PM

another cultural observer: FarkedOver: MadMattressMack: Yes, true humanitarians right there. As long as they are under the boot and heel of their political masters.

You read that any way you like.  I read that and thought "wow, they did all this despite all the U.S. imperialism and sabre-rattling? Good for them."  Whatever you feel about Cuba's "politics", they are the way they are because we shaped them that way.  Our constant assassination/invasion attempts, our economic sanctions..... they have achieved so much despite the United States' best effort to stop it. You want to know why the people live like it is still the 1950s in Cuba? You only need to look to the bully 90 miles north.

We forced them to start AIDS concentration camps?


Governments taking weird steps to combat a disease in its infancy!? OH NO! They don't have these "concentration camps" any longer.

I think some politicians in the US might actually praise what Cuba did, even to this day.
 
2013-03-07 06:00:59 PM

FarkedOver: another cultural observer: FarkedOver: MadMattressMack: Yes, true humanitarians right there. As long as they are under the boot and heel of their political masters.

You read that any way you like.  I read that and thought "wow, they did all this despite all the U.S. imperialism and sabre-rattling? Good for them."  Whatever you feel about Cuba's "politics", they are the way they are because we shaped them that way.  Our constant assassination/invasion attempts, our economic sanctions..... they have achieved so much despite the United States' best effort to stop it. You want to know why the people live like it is still the 1950s in Cuba? You only need to look to the bully 90 miles north.

We forced them to start AIDS concentration camps?

Governments taking weird steps to combat a disease in its infancy!? OH NO! They don't have these "concentration camps" any longer.

I think some politicians in the US might actually praise what Cuba did, even to this day.


I don't know any politician, or person in general, who would praise forced abortions to prevent possible infant mortality. And they do that even to this day.
 
2013-03-07 06:03:17 PM
What is a "TV ad"?

Oh, I barely remember!
 
2013-03-07 06:05:14 PM
oryx: I figured there was something dodgy about them just because they advertize so much.

That's the way I feel about Geico.


Funny you mentioned insurance- I wanted to comment on how the "business model" they (this particular cancer center) employ is successfully used by many industries, including insurance. The reason all those insurance companies are so happy to offer you online calculators and free comparisons is that they are seeking only specific demographics- they are happy to send you down the road to someone who'll give you a better deal, because they don't want you- helps to keep their rates down and advertise a higher "satisfaction rate" for their company-

www.shescribes.com
oryx: I figured there was something dodgy about them just because they advertize so much.

That's the way I feel about Geico.


ChipNasa: You could always Sioux them if it turned out they were shady characters.

Just don't Crow about it, or you might be up the Creek- Just jump in your Cherokee or Apache and drive off- no reason to go barefoot and get Blackfeet-

//got nuthin'


/that $5000 loan costs you something like $35000 in interest alone. But she is cute-
 
2013-03-07 06:08:01 PM

DIGITALgimpus: Guess what... that's how private schools get such great stats too.  They just don't accept bad students, and they give ones they find to  underperform the boot.  Some public schools in reality are much better than the stats suggest, and some private schools much worse.

But this is a common game for those who like to simply compare numbers and make a conclusion.


Since I went to a private school growing up I'll also point out that they won't hesitate to kick students out if they're underperforming or causing problems. And they should. Public schools should also expel students who cause disciplinary problems. Those kids should be put them in some school for juvenile delinquents because they drag down everyone else.

And yes, private schools like to boast about their student's academic successes - and they should. They're up front about their admissions process. They don't just accept anyone. You have to pass tests to gain admission. Or you can get in early like I did. I attended 2 years of pre-school before I even got to kindergarten and eventually graduated high school there.

It's easier to stay in a private school than to get into a private school. And it was expensive. It's also worth it if you can afford it. The expensive part also pretty much means the parents aren't deadbeats and they probably do a lot to encourage their kids to do their homework and study hard.

The school doesn't advertise and while they do boast about the academic successes of their students, they are very open and don't bullshiat people about not accepting bad students. That's actually a big deal. Why should they accept dumb kids? Why should they accept kids who are going to be disciplinary problems? When I was there, we only had about 70 kids in each grade in elementary school and only about 100 kids in grades 6 through 12.

Do you really think there is room for delinquents?

Some kids left the school. Sometimes it was because their parents wanted to send them to a different private school, but usually it was because the kids just weren't smart enough or because they got busted for marijuana or had other disciplinary problems. That's why it actually means something to say you graduated from that school.
You're comparing apples to oranges. No, wait - it's not even that close of a comparison. You're comparing apples to string beans. The school I went to has high academic standards and you have to meet them to even get into it. They are not shy about telling you that either. CTCA advertises on TV and if you have cancer and see one of their commercials it might give you hope that they can help, but apparently if you're too sick they'll turn you down.

And I don't know shiat about CTCA but if your illness is beyond their capabilities they probably should tell you to seek a different option.
 
2013-03-07 06:14:34 PM

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: vernonFL: her rare cancer had spread throughout her body, including her brain, she and her husband refused to accept a death sentence.

Its sad and I'm sorry, but at that point, it IS a death sentence, and you would be better off accepting it and trying to enjoy your last few months here on Earth.

It is a sad story, but yeah, she should have blown all her cash on living life to the fullest. If I ever get that diagnosis, the first thing I'm going to do is start senselessly murdering people for doing things that marginally annoy me. It's just something I've always wanted to do.

:D


After seeing an aunt's health degrade to the point where she was not able to live at home and not able to afford to move into a nursing home, I had a similar passing thought.  I pictured many sick and elderly people going to killing sprees so they could get prison room and board and health care.  Sure it's not GOOD health care, room and board but it would be something if you are destitute.

I've heard it done on a smaller scale by homeless to get a night's shelter on cold days, but wonder how often it happens in a grander scale.
 
2013-03-07 06:21:00 PM

FarkedOver: MadMattressMack: Yes, true humanitarians right there. As long as they are under the boot and heel of their political masters.

You read that any way you like.  I read that and thought "wow, they did all this despite all the U.S. imperialism and sabre-rattling? Good for them."  Whatever you feel about Cuba's "politics", they are the way they are because we shaped them that way.  Our constant assassination/invasion attempts, our economic sanctions..... they have achieved so much despite the United States' best effort to stop it. You want to know why the people live like it is still the 1950s in Cuba? You only need to look to the bully 90 miles north.


Uh, yeah, there was the Bay of Pigs disaster but we haven't been constantly trying to invade Cuba. The Bay of Pigs didn't even involve US troops. If we really wanted to we could conquer Cuba in about half the time it even took to get there and it's only 90 miles away from the Florida Keys.

We even have a military base in Cuba. Perhaps you've heard of it. It's Guantanamo Bay and it's not just a prison.

As for assassination attempts, I'm not sure how much of that is true or how much of it is propaganda, but when was the last attempt? In the early '70s?

Ad we haven't shaped Cuba. Why should Cuba depend on the US lifting our embargo? If their system is so great why do they mostly live in poverty? Why are they complaining about having to drive cars made in the US in the '50s? Why haven't they started their own car industry?

The embargo is stupid and counter-productive, but you can't blame the US for the situation most Cubans find themselves in.
 
2013-03-07 06:23:40 PM

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: If I ever get that diagnosis, the first thing I'm going to do is start senselessly murdering people for doing things that marginally annoy me. It's just something I've always wanted to do.


That's not senseless at all.  Why should you spend your final days marginally annoyed, or with your life's dream unfulfilled?
 
2013-03-07 06:26:56 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Isn't that place owned by some right wing blowhard?


Yeah, I read that somewhere... oh, yeah, in TFA!
 
2013-03-07 06:35:33 PM
Here in Fremont, CA we have a more localized version of this - our local hospital, Washington Township Hospital. While they have passed a ballot measure (raises property taxes)  to build a new emergency room for one that has been out of date for 20 years, they have been busy "investing" in for profit services such as a joint replacement center, gamma knife, and buying up local medical practices, while its 'Empire Building' (my opinion)  administrator and her husband clear a salary between them (her husband manages a 'non-profit' foundation attached to the hospital) of over a million a year. Shameful but true. And to add salt on the wound, nobody is seriously interested in investigating it.
 
2013-03-07 06:51:12 PM

Oznog: Freeballin: This place just sells woo along with everything else.  It's proven (no, google it yourself), that nutrition and all the other woo they sell doesn't change your survival rate.  It might make you feel better about dying or going to chemo, but at the end of the day, MD Anderson in Houston for me.  It helps it's less than an hour away too.

While they don't have a "waiting list", it does take time to see a specialist unfortunately.  I had two cousins recently die from cancer and while the first one had a long time with it, the second only lasted a month and never really had a chance to even get to MD Anderson.  Fark you cancer.

Yeah I haven't seen their commercials in years (internet instead of TV now), but I remember their cured patients marveling at their "nutrition" approach.

WTF, like all the other hospitals DON'T feed you?  And they never realized that starving their patients was what was killing them, rather than cancer, but YOU saw that?

Lemme guess... blueberries and tea, some sort of magic "antioxidants" there?


I told em I didn't do the religion thing and they left me the fark alone about it.
They game me chemo and said smoking weed was a good way to make sure I ate right.
Cancer is gone and that part is behind me...Problems from 2 strokes are still kicking my ass, but oh well.

No more chemo, but smoking weed is still a part of my healthy way of life.
 
2013-03-07 06:52:17 PM

A Terrible Human: The Flexecutioner: move to Lexington, Ky and go to Markey Cancer Center at UK Hospital.  They accept everyone (i had no insurance and was placed on medicaid/medicare) and have a top-notch facility.  I had a rare stage 4 lymphoblastic leukemia and less than a 20% chance to survive it.  That was 7 years ago and I'm actually off state benefits and back to a regular life.  My only problems now are regular ones, like finding a job and paying bills and regular stuff.

My aunt had cancer and that's where she went. They even have little apartments for the patients to stay in while they get treatment. She's still alive today even though she's missing most of a kidney,her bladder,intestines and bowels.


Man, going through a treatment like that must have taken a lot of guts.
 
2013-03-07 06:57:08 PM

neversubmit: FTFA: "But because we see mostly patients with later-stage, complex cancers, they often need something else," he added - psychological and spiritual support as well as "holistic" interventions such as yoga, acupuncture and reiki, a laying-on of hands.

reiki?


It makes you feel better, and feeling better helps you get better.  No different from the "good bedside manner" that people expect from doctors and nurses.
 
2013-03-07 07:03:20 PM

toraque: Man, going through a treatment like that must have taken a lot of guts.


Not as much as colon or esophageal cancer. THAT takes guts, but testicualar cancer, it takes balls.

/it's FARK. we can make fun of ANYTHING.
//we're remaining men
 
2013-03-07 07:04:24 PM

toraque: A Terrible Human: The Flexecutioner: move to Lexington, Ky and go to Markey Cancer Center at UK Hospital.  They accept everyone (i had no insurance and was placed on medicaid/medicare) and have a top-notch facility.  I had a rare stage 4 lymphoblastic leukemia and less than a 20% chance to survive it.  That was 7 years ago and I'm actually off state benefits and back to a regular life.  My only problems now are regular ones, like finding a job and paying bills and regular stuff.

My aunt had cancer and that's where she went. They even have little apartments for the patients to stay in while they get treatment. She's still alive today even though she's missing most of a kidney,her bladder,intestines and bowels.

Man, going through a treatment like that must have taken a lot of guts.


No shiat.

/had to be said
 
2013-03-07 07:06:10 PM
These kinds of businesses are why we will end up socializing medicine.  Despite Obamacare being a really bad idea, the alternative is to let companies run amok like this.  It's a lose/lose if you ask me.
 
2013-03-07 07:08:44 PM

seadoo2006: jehovahs witness protection: HotWingConspiracy: Isn't that place owned by some right wing blowhard?

OH SUCH TERRIBLE RIGHT WINGERS!

When I was diagnosed, they took really good care of me and knowing that I wasn't made of money, they dismissed 100% of what my insurance didn't cover. They do the same for many patients, but go ahead, let's bash good people because they don't share your political views.

So, was it fun mortgaging your house, selling every asset you had, and promising them your first unborn child, grandchild, and great-grandchild as slaves for the good of the company?


2/10...right wing or left wing, that was a douchey thing to say
 
2013-03-07 07:18:12 PM

FarkedOver: MadMattressMack: Best doctors in the world are in Cuba? Is it because they have to be so good since they don't have anything to work with? Also, I'd like to know what metrics are used in determining "the best doctors in the world". is it what the people there say, because:

"formally eliciting critical narratives about health care would be viewed as a criminal act both for me as a researcher, and for people who spoke openly with me "

Also:

"there is no right to privacy in the physician-patient relationship in Cuba, no patients' right of informed consent, no right to refuse treatment, and no right to protest or sue for malpractice "

"Hirschfeld describes a case where a doctor said that if the ultrasound examination revealed "some fetal abnormalities", the woman "would have an abortion", to avoid an increase in the infant mortality rate "

From Wikipedia. Though I doubt about Wiki articles, knowing how socialist politics have to govern health care in order for it to be successful these all make complete sense.

I would say they are the best because of this reason alone:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_medical_internationalism

Doctors are Cuba's number 1 export.  They also work in more under-developed nations than any other doctors.  Their experience alone gives them the right to that claim.  What they do is true humanitarian work.


"Export," huh?  From your own article:

"According to Luis Zuñiga, director of human rights for the Cuban American National Foundation, Cuban doctors are "slave workers" who labor for meager wages while bolstering Cuba's image as a donor nation and "the Cuban government exports these doctors as merchandise".

Defections are up, too. "Cuban doctors working abroad are reported to be monitored by "minders" and subject to curfew."  I imagine doctors are controlled by their families back home, too.

Your arguments are too one-sided; your glasses, too rosy.
 
2013-03-07 07:29:25 PM

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: vernonFL: her rare cancer had spread throughout her body, including her brain, she and her husband refused to accept a death sentence.

Its sad and I'm sorry, but at that point, it IS a death sentence, and you would be better off accepting it and trying to enjoy your last few months here on Earth.

It is a sad story, but yeah, she should have blown all her cash on living life to the fullest. If I ever get that diagnosis, the first thing I'm going to do is start senselessly murdering people for doing things that marginally annoy me. It's just something I've always wanted to do.

:D


Sounds like fun, but I think it would mess with my plans to get hooked on heroin.
Wonder if they allow bail for the terminally ill?
 
2013-03-07 07:30:35 PM

nekom: Yet another reason for-profit medical care needs to go.

/but it won't


Yeah, this :-(
 
2013-03-07 07:34:55 PM

Bung_Howdy:  But she is cute-


And how!
 
2013-03-07 07:48:08 PM

garron: Yahoo news writers seem to be journalistic prostitutes that write hit pieces for the highest bidder, so I take anything that appears on their site with a grain of salt.


Yahoo employs roughly the same number of news writers as Fark does; if you'd bothered to look at the actual story, you'd see that it was pulled from the Reuters wire.

Yahoo is an aggregator; it produces almost no content on its own. If you don't like the slant of Yahoo's coverage, I can understand why, but at the very least, you can try blaming the right people.

TMYK...
 
2013-03-07 07:49:01 PM

minoridiot: If you get cancer and can afford it, go to MD Anderson in Houston.


It seems like M.D.Anderson and Fred Hutchinson in Seattle are consistently ranked the number 1 and 2 cancer treatment centers in America.
 
2013-03-07 08:18:02 PM

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: vernonFL: her rare cancer had spread throughout her body, including her brain, she and her husband refused to accept a death sentence.

Its sad and I'm sorry, but at that point, it IS a death sentence, and you would be better off accepting it and trying to enjoy your last few months here on Earth.

It is a sad story, but yeah, she should have blown all her cash on living life to the fullest. If I ever get that diagnosis, the first thing I'm going to do is start senselessly murdering people for doing things that marginally annoy me. It's just something I've always wanted to do.

:D


There's a movie based off of this premise.
 
2013-03-07 08:23:53 PM

vernonFL: her rare cancer had spread throughout her body, including her brain, she and her husband refused to accept a death sentence.

Its sad and I'm sorry, but at that point, it IS a death sentence, and you would be better off accepting it and trying to enjoy your last few months here on Earth.


Yup.
 
2013-03-07 08:25:51 PM

SweetDickens: What???  You mean they refuse to treat terminal people and TAKE advantage of people who have no chance to make it???


The outrage is overwhelming.....farkers have no problem crucifying those who scam desperate people out of money except when it comes to the
REAL doctors making bank on desperate people with pretty much zero chance of any recovery.


Bullshiat. Anything is fair to Fark as long as no one is putting a gun to your head and forcing you to purchase/use/associate...
 
2013-03-07 08:37:38 PM

Pocket_Fisherman: nekom: Yet another reason for-profit medical care needs to go.

/but it won't

Yes because non-for profit means quality!  Right?!??!

I don't think you understand how all these things work.


So that must mean that the United States has the best health care in the world, right?  Oh wait, the rest of the world with their low quality non-profit health care gets more for less than we do.  That can't possibly be right...only profit-driven companies can deliver quality services.  I know it's true because someone named after a Ron Popeil product told me so on the Internet!
 
2013-03-07 08:42:08 PM
BarkingUnicorn: ... the Cuban American National Foundation...

Is NOT, in any universe, a reliable source of information. Just FYI, those people are insane.
 
2013-03-07 09:00:46 PM
Basically your problem is that they won't treat somebody who cannot be saved no matter what? I hate to break your bleeding hearts but that's life and you need to focus on the people that can be saved.
 
2013-03-07 09:09:58 PM

minoridiot: If you get cancer and can afford it, go to MD Anderson in Houston.


As someone currently working for UTMB, I have to say yup. you're right. they are the goddamned best in the country, current scandal not withstanding.
 
2013-03-07 09:17:03 PM

FarkedOver: FTFA:

CTCA is not unique in turning away patients. A lot of doctors, hospitals and other healthcare providers in the United States decline to treat people who can't pay, or have inadequate insurance

^ This is why the United States sucks ass.


Uh...thats another thing MD is very good at as well :(
 
2013-03-07 09:43:02 PM

Tom_Slick: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: vernonFL: her rare cancer had spread throughout her body, including her brain, she and her husband refused to accept a death sentence.

Its sad and I'm sorry, but at that point, it IS a death sentence, and you would be better off accepting it and trying to enjoy your last few months here on Earth.

It is a sad story, but yeah, she should have blown all her cash on living life to the fullest. If I ever get that diagnosis, the first thing I'm going to do is start senselessly murdering people for doing things that marginally annoy me. It's just something I've always wanted to do.

:D

Similar type took my wife almost 4 years ago at 33, once it hit the brain we stopped fighting and took lots of trips.  Lots of great memories of life experiences rather than lots of memories of hospital stays.


33? Fark...
 
2013-03-07 09:51:23 PM
I'm no fan of CTCA's ads, nor do I believe the claims that are made in them, but CTCA is by no means the only clinic or hospital around here that puffs its own abilities in its ads.  Of course, if hospitals ran ads that told the truth, they'd lose a lot of business.

"If you have cancer, let the doctors at St. Clin-Clin de Meumeu hospital here in downtown Japip work you over with the latest medical techniques.  If your cancer was diagnosed early enough, and if it's one of those cancers that responds to treatment, they might be able to prolong your life for a few years."
 
2013-03-07 11:23:36 PM
tirob:  St. Clin-Clin de Meumeu

Gonna guess Kweebeker?
 
2013-03-07 11:29:41 PM

DjangoStonereaver: When my Mom's non-Hodgkin's Lymphoma came back 6 months after seemingly successful treatment, the very CTCA
facility in this story told her they had a 2-month waiting list.  But my Mom isn't their kind of patient.

Fortunately, the Abrams Cancer Center at the University of Pennsylvania (also in Philly) is THE best place in the world for
NHL treatment, and they took her immediately and she underwent a stem cell transplant.  So far so good for her (3
months and counting).

In short:  fark CTCA.


Best wishes to you mom.  I just completed RCHOP (chemo) a little over three months go for NHL and am in complete remission.  I assume she has DLBCL (like me) because most of the other forms of NHL are impossible to cure.  Glad she was able to have a transplant, rough stuff though and the thought scares me to death.  Crossing my fingers (for both of us).
 
2013-03-07 11:42:22 PM

jehovahs witness protection: toraque: A Terrible Human: The Flexecutioner: move to Lexington, Ky and go to Markey Cancer Center at UK Hospital.  They accept everyone (i had no insurance and was placed on medicaid/medicare) and have a top-notch facility.  I had a rare stage 4 lymphoblastic leukemia and less than a 20% chance to survive it.  That was 7 years ago and I'm actually off state benefits and back to a regular life.  My only problems now are regular ones, like finding a job and paying bills and regular stuff.

My aunt had cancer and that's where she went. They even have little apartments for the patients to stay in while they get treatment. She's still alive today even though she's missing most of a kidney,her bladder,intestines and bowels.

Man, going through a treatment like that must have taken a lot of guts.

No shiat.

/had to be said


It was the radiation that destroyed the bowel and some of her intestines.
/Not mad,just saying.
 
2013-03-08 12:16:11 AM
Hmmm... buy shiat based on Tv advertisements=lose. Who would have thought?
 
2013-03-08 12:51:18 AM

nekom: Yet another reason for-profit medical care needs to go.

/but it won't


As a healthcare administration major I can tell you that you are correct. There's a ton of businesses that are healthcare related.
 
2013-03-08 01:51:42 AM
The man who started CTCA sounds like a sleazebag. While that doesn't make everyone in his empire a sleazebag -- some might be miracle-workers at normal human hospitals, too -- I'm guessing the institution's by-laws, code of "ethics," operations manual, whatever, contains some rather cold-blooded phrases.

What annoys me most about their commercials is how they makes other hospitals sound like they use rusty scalpels and polluted water.
 
2013-03-08 02:34:29 AM
Please delete the superfluous "s" in the word "makes" above. Thank you.
 
2013-03-08 06:04:54 AM

halotosis: DjangoStonereaver: When my Mom's non-Hodgkin's Lymphoma came back 6 months after seemingly successful treatment, the very CTCA
facility in this story told her they had a 2-month waiting list.  But my Mom isn't their kind of patient.

Fortunately, the Abrams Cancer Center at the University of Pennsylvania (also in Philly) is THE best place in the world for
NHL treatment, and they took her immediately and she underwent a stem cell transplant.  So far so good for her (3
months and counting).

In short:  fark CTCA.

Best wishes to you mom.  I just completed RCHOP (chemo) a little over three months go for NHL and am in complete remission.  I assume she has DLBCL (like me) because most of the other forms of NHL are impossible to cure.  Glad she was able to have a transplant, rough stuff though and the thought scares me to death.  Crossing my fingers (for both of us).


She had CHOP on her first go round.

The chemo part of the transplant process was pretty bad, but really the most frustrating part was the fact that it took
twice as long as normal to collect her blood before the procedure (they filter your own stem cells from blood), but that
was due to my Mom being prone to anaemia, not any side effect of her prior treatments.

I hope, in turn, that you keep going well; for my Mom it was 6 months after having CHOP chemo (it was detected in one
of her regular follow ups, literally a week after she had her chemo port removed).
 
2013-03-08 06:39:13 AM

Quantum Apostrophe: tirob:  St. Clin-Clin de Meumeu

Gonna guess Kweebeker?


Pennsylvanian.  I've been going up to QC a lot recently, though.
 
2013-03-08 07:33:02 AM

eagles95: Went to UVA to see a specialist that still is treating brain tumor that is in remission. They've done surgery and radiation. Of course i had dr bills before i got back home but they saved my life.


/LOVE Charlottesville

/Go Hoo's


A good friend went there within a week of his first symptoms and passed away after a year of ineffectice treatment.

Not everybody makes it. I suspect that chance has as much effect as hope and prayer.
 
2013-03-08 07:50:58 AM
<i>the for-profit, privately held company's Philadelphia affiliate, Eastern Regional Medical Center </i>

Oh man, FARK Eastern Regional. I worked for a non-profit insurance working out problems with claims that would keep them from processing to adjudication, and I SWEAR they must have intentionally been farking up their billing to keep insurance from paying. We'd tell them what needed to be fixed, and then they'd never do it.

But seriously, the lady in the story?  Honey, she's dying.  Go have fun while you can.  Make insane goals.  Blow your retirement fund. Plan an awesome "euthanasia" (if I ever have terminal cancer, one of the deaths on my list includes "break into zoo cage, fufill lifelong dream of hugging a tiger", I'd like to go out awesome, not fading on a hospital bed).
 
2013-03-08 10:35:54 AM

Diogenes: minoridiot: If you get cancer and can afford it, go to MD Anderson in Houston.

The one here in Orlando is top-notch, too.  But I read that Houston's is expandingmetestasizing.

A dear, close friend was diagnosed with Stage 4 colon cancer last summer (at 52).  Metastisizing.  They removed it, hit the right combo of chemo, and operating on all that remained yesterday.  Her experience with MD has been outstanding.  From effectiveness, to involvement, to comfort level.  All of it.


Fixed
 
2013-03-08 12:11:43 PM

BarkingUnicorn: FarkedOver: 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_medical_internationalism

Doctors are Cuba's number 1 export.  They also work in more under-developed nations than any other doctors.  Their experience alone gives them the right to that claim.  What they do is true humanitarian work.

"Export," huh?  From your own article:

"According to Luis Zuñiga, director of human rights for the Cuban American National Foundation, Cuban doctors are "slave workers" who labor for meager wages while bolstering Cuba's image as a donor nation and "the Cuban government exports these doctors as merchandise".

Defections are up, too. "Cuban doctors working abroad are reported to be monitored by "minders" and subject to curfew."  I imagine doctors are controlled by their families back home, too.

Your arguments are too one-sided; your glasses, too rosy.


I saw a Cuban-trained (Jewish American) diabetes doc in Boston who was pretty sharp. A little too eager to prescribe new meds perhaps, but her being a MILF with a good sense of humor made up for it.
 
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