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(Fox News)   Problem: People shooting each other. Solution: Anger management classes to buy ammunition   (foxnews.com) divider line 20
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2013-03-07 11:24:22 AM
3 votes:
Fox sucks.  You're mentally suspect if you watch it regularly .
2013-03-07 11:22:23 AM
3 votes:
How about IQ tests to hold public office?

Yeah I know, it'd be like drug-testing the IT department.
2013-03-07 01:04:30 PM
2 votes:

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Bullets are too cheap right now, anyway.


Where the most holy of farks are you shopping? Because that's where I want to go.
Walmarts 100rd white box of ammo used to be like 11 bucks. That's now doubled in price. 5.56 used to be 15 cents a round. Now it's upwards of a dollar each.

So either you havn't bought ammo in 10 years, you know a secret awesome shop, or you are just pulling thoughts out of your ass.
2013-03-07 11:54:18 AM
2 votes:

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Forget registering guns.  We should register bullets.  Require all ammo to be rfid tagged and tracked.


Ammunition is easier to home manufacture than guns.  Tens of thousands of people do it already.
2013-03-07 07:26:36 PM
1 votes:

HeadLever: Big Man On Campus: Not exactly, more like you create a chemical signature in each box of ammo (not as hard as it sounds actually), catalog them, and track them when necessary.

What about those of us that don't get our ammo out of a box?


HeadLever: Big Man On Campus: The chemical signature can be added to the mix when the powder is added to the round, you don't have to stockpile different kinds of powder.

Do you think that reloaders will add this 'signature' to every cartidge they make?


There are loopholes in all laws. If you're looking for a law that has none, look to the dictatorships. There's no law, even in places like Best Korea, that prevents any of their millions of slave-citizens from building untraceable bombs. If this sort of law makes people begin reloading spent cartridges, that's little different from the AWB failing to prevent people from manufacturing their own assault weapons. The gun-grabbers are really just looking for accountability so that whackos have a tough time committing crimes, this is understandable. But they generally balk when a proposed solution is not 100% perfect, and then act like people are not supposed to feel like their desire is to take guns away from law abiding citizens. What the gun-grabbers need to understand is that there is no perfect solution, and gun violence is not going away fully no matter what they propose, and all proposals mean a loss of freedom. The democratic Attorney Generals have all said that the Assault Weapons ban did nothing to stop gun violence, yet all the gun-haters want it back without considering anything different.

Benjamin Orr:
Oh boy. Please explain how you would do this on mass produced ammo.

Please explain how you would use this chemical marker to identify the bullets after they are fired?


Metal oxide particles in the 25-100um size range (sandpaper size) that are stable at gunpowder explosion temperatures are added to the mix of gunpowder if possible. If you desire to use oxides that are not stable at those temperatures, you can simply "paint" the side of the projectile that is in contact with the shell to get the desired effect as those particles are less likely to be exposed to the full 450C of the gunpowder explosion, but will get caught in the blast. The periodic table is mostly metals, and many of those metals generally form at least one very stable oxide. You add small amounts of this in specific relative ratios unique to each box of bullets and you have a signature that can be traced. Bullets go through an automated robot process for manufacturing anyway, two more steps added to that is peanuts. This should not affect the firing of the round at all.

As for identifying the bullet after it's fired, the projectiles are always lead, which is very soft. The explosion of the gunpowder will leave these oxides trapped in the lead, providing a trace on the round. So matching signatures on the projectile should be simple. Matching the signature on the spent casing is trivial. Matching it on the gun is admittedly harder if the gun user hasn't been cleaned it in a while, but it's not impossible considering all the places it can get to. Firing a weapon also tends to leave traces on the person who fired it, making a match on the skin of the gun user plausible.

Is this all plausible enough for you or do I have to write up a grant proposal?
2013-03-07 03:14:19 PM
1 votes:

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: No, I'm more one of those "why don't bullets cost $10 each" types.


Because the weapons I own take about 15 different calibers of shells. You need to fire more than once to become proficient with a weapon, and at 10 dollars each, there is no way I could possibly maintain a small stock of ammo that will allow me to shoot at any given time, let alone afford to carry enough rounds for self defense. Or maybe that's just your intent. Don't ban guns, just create an effective ammo ban, which indirectly bans guns.

Or maybe you'd prefer a bunch of people to have a gun with 5 bullets that they have never had any practice what so ever with.
2013-03-07 02:49:58 PM
1 votes:

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: No, I'm more one of those "why don't bullets cost $10 each" types.



Are you high?
2013-03-07 01:44:44 PM
1 votes:

kombat_unit: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: MythDragon: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Bullets are too cheap right now, anyway.

Where the most holy of farks are you shopping? Because that's where I want to go.
Walmarts 100rd white box of ammo used to be like 11 bucks. That's now doubled in price. 5.56 used to be 15 cents a round. Now it's upwards of a dollar each.

So either you havn't bought ammo in 10 years, you know a secret awesome shop, or you are just pulling thoughts out of your ass.

What they used to be is irrelevant.  Right now, they're too cheap.

Wrong, dead wrong.


He's one of those "Every bullet should cost $5,000" people. Because no one needs more than 1 to protect their family, and shooting for fun/sport/practice is only for nutbags.
2013-03-07 01:26:06 PM
1 votes:

dittybopper: This is like trying to identify arsonists by putting something in the gasoline.


Christ, don't give them any ideas.
2013-03-07 12:57:23 PM
1 votes:
I'm betting that anything you say in this "class", can and will be used against you in a court of law.

I'm sorry but we don't feel you are being forthright. You must retake the class and remit another payment. Thank you, citizen.
2013-03-07 12:53:15 PM
1 votes:

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Bullets are too cheap right now, anyway. And yes, it would mean no more making your own ammo.


How do you propose that? the components and materials to build your own are cheap and the methods are very easy.  You would basically open up a very lucrative black market for those of us that reload and make our own components.

Let alone the likely consitutuional issue that this restriction would bring.
2013-03-07 12:08:50 PM
1 votes:
Yep, this would have prevented Sandy Hook.

Magically.
2013-03-07 11:48:34 AM
1 votes:
No, no, no. They should do it the same way hot dog and hot dog bun manufacturers do. You sell a clip that takes 10 bullets but only sell bullets by a box of eight. Then, when the dumbasses have to do some math they'll give up and only smart people will have both bullets and guns.

Problem solved!

/wtf am i supposed to do with these other two buns?
2013-03-07 11:45:37 AM
1 votes:

Precision Boobery: How about IQ tests to hold public office?



That's close to an idea I had awhile back... I understand part of what makes this country great is the ability for Joe Six-Pack to get elected to pretty much any office, and I'm fine with that. I think that we should have mandatory training for pretty much all public offices, most importantly the Senate and Congress. 6 months of training before their session begins. Every time they get re-elected, another 6 months of training. These people need to learn how laws work, how the Constitution works, what tends to be found as "unconstitutional", how to make laws that are actually enforceable, etc...

Imagine the money we'd save just by making these people learn how to do their jobs, so their laws aren't constantly overturned...
2013-03-07 11:45:32 AM
1 votes:
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"Sir, there is a 3 day waiting period."
"AAAAWWWW! But I'm angry *now*!"

/when I lived in Fl, I tried that line on a gundealer. Apparently he didn't watch Simpsons because he did NOT find it funny.
2013-03-07 11:37:51 AM
1 votes:
Forget registering guns.  We should register bullets.  Require all ammo to be rfid tagged and tracked.
2013-03-07 11:25:37 AM
1 votes:
Mandatory anger management classes make me ENRAGED!!!
2013-03-07 11:22:55 AM
1 votes:
Will they require people who reload to take the classes, too?
2013-03-07 11:22:52 AM
1 votes:
Problem: People shooting each other. Solution: People shooting each other.

There all better now.
2013-03-07 11:13:40 AM
1 votes:
Another crazy liberal who will probably commit a mass shooting the blame conservatives for clinging to their guns.
 
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