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2013-03-07 11:18:23 AM
11 votes:
What is to stop retailers and coffee shops from selling two med sized sugar drinks as opposed to one extra large to the same person?

This is a feelgood law that the general populace really has no interest in, and this law will have ZERO farking impact on obesity.

Congrats NY on making businesses spend more on adapting to unnecessary, over-reaching, and ineffective government regulation.
2013-03-07 11:09:39 AM
7 votes:
Why would you institute a ban based on the quantity of the drink?

It should just be a limit on the grams of sugar per volume.

Lets be honest, most people are consuming so much sugar needlessly and likely unknowingly, that it may be a bigger problem than smoking tobacco in this country.
wee [TotalFark]
2013-03-07 12:26:59 PM
5 votes:

justtray: Drinks dont kill people, fatties do.


I just don't know what kind of country we live in where any kid, no matter how old, can walk up to any one of throusands of stores in New York alone, and buy the exact same types of beverages that we sell to our military forces -- and in the same, high-capacity capacity cups!  No waiting period to think about whether this is good for them, no ID check, no questions about obesity or diabetes, the kids just hand their money over and these merchants of death happily give them what they want, in any capacity they want.  No questions asked. What they're doing to our children is unconscionable.
 You never see hunters carrying huge, over-sized Big Gulp cups, do you?  That's because nobody needs more than 16 ounces of soda, and if they do, then they can just buy two.  And a benefit there is the added time and effort in refilling the smaller cup will make them drink soda slower, and therefore kill themselves slower.


We're killing our children by the thousands in this country, every day, and I salute Mayor Bloomberg for finally standing up against Big Soda, as well as the American Beverage Association and their big-money lobbists, and doing something about this rampant problem.
2013-03-07 01:13:38 PM
3 votes:

Endive Wombat: The Stealth Hippopotamus: They came for the smoker and I said nothing because I didn't smoke...
They came for the transfats and I said nothing because I didn't eat Oreo.
They came for the Foie gras and I kind of helped them 'cause that shiat is nasty.
Now they come for the sugary drinks

/that's a lie I've been yelling the whole time

I was with you until you got to that part.  Foie is FARKING AMAZING.  Its like meat butter.  How can you go wrong?  What is it about the foie that you do not like?


The production method.
2013-03-07 03:32:26 PM
2 votes:
Yay, Nanny State!

Crime cams on every corner will soon follow.
2013-03-07 02:11:41 PM
2 votes:
JohnBigBootaywe have a fat problem in this country...What about rules that would force ..."

Laws and regulations are too important, too powerful, to waste on trying to solve problems that people are free to solve for themselves. "I see a problem, so there ought to be a law" is a wrong-headed knee-jerk reaction.
gja [TotalFark]
2013-03-07 01:27:08 PM
2 votes:

Gifted Many Few: Techno Destructo prophesied this.

/obscure? Oh yes, this is obscure.


"We are NOT obscure"
encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
2013-03-07 01:17:59 PM
2 votes:

Endive Wombat: What is to stop retailers and coffee shops from selling two med sized sugar drinks as opposed to one extra large to the same person?


Nothing whatsoever and Mayor Bloomberg has explicitly acknowledged this.  This is an exercise in behavioral economics, like in that book "Nudge."
2013-03-07 01:12:52 PM
2 votes:

God Is My Co-Pirate: Endive Wombat: The Stealth Hippopotamus: They came for the smoker and I said nothing because I didn't smoke...
They came for the transfats and I said nothing because I didn't eat Oreo.
They came for the Foie gras and I kind of helped them 'cause that shiat is nasty.
Now they come for the sugary drinks

/that's a lie I've been yelling the whole time

I was with you until you got to that part.  Foie is FARKING AMAZING.  Its like meat butter.  How can you go wrong?  What is it about the foie that you do not like?

It is amazing with toasted brioche and a touch of maple syrup.


Toasted brioche, cherry gelee and caramelized Bing and Rainier Cherries. That was the first time I had foie gras. Mr. Unsympathetic and I bought our car from the owner of a fancy pants restaurant in Woodinville, WA and she threw in dinner with the car. Duck fat focaccia is another mind altering food I had never tried before that night. Plus runny egg on pasta.

/Dinner was bird themed.
//When Mr. Unsympathetic graduates from university, I'm taking him back.
///Double win for me. Hundred Mile Dinner here I come.... just 15 more months.
//Suddenly, Lean Cuisine for lunch sounds like a fail.
/CSS, stop drooling on your keyboard.
2013-03-07 12:58:04 PM
2 votes:
I still can't believe he's getting away with this sh*t.
wee [TotalFark]
2013-03-07 11:55:59 AM
2 votes:
So they're still going to sell Assault Beverages in spite of the high-capacity cup ban?  Starbucks murders children!
2013-03-07 11:54:13 AM
2 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: They came for the smoker and I said nothing because I didn't smoke...
They came for the transfats and I said nothing because I didn't eat Oreo.
They came for the Foie gras and I kind of helped them 'cause that shiat is nasty.
Now they come for the sugary drinks

/that's a lie I've been yelling the whole time


I was with you until you got to that part.  Foie is FARKING AMAZING.  Its like meat butter.  How can you go wrong?  What is it about the foie that you do not like?
2013-03-07 11:23:30 AM
2 votes:
Why hasn't Bloomberg been whacked yet? Oh yeah...the only people allowed to have guns in NYC are cops and mobsters. And he owns both.
2013-03-07 05:36:16 PM
1 votes:

Cornelius Dribble: The law doesn't ban anybody from buying anything. If you want 32 ounces of sugar water, you have every right to buy two 16-ounce cups and drink them both. I have no idea why everybody's getting their panties in a twist over this.

If you don't like the nanny state, stop acting like spoiled children.


lol

"If you don't want me to force you to behave in a manner that I find acceptable, then you should behave in a manner that I find acceptable."

I have a better idea. If I don't like the nanny state, you go fark yourself.
2013-03-07 04:43:55 PM
1 votes:

JohnBigBootay: the money is in the banana stand: You want to know why humans do pretty much anything despite the consequences? Accessibility and ease. When you have the option of eating a 800 calories of a small fast-food combo meal that takes 10 minutes and costs 5 bucks versus spend the time at a grocery store, cook, do the dishes, and store/heat up food - which do you choose? When you are getting home every night at 8, are you really going to go to the gym which costs money, and work out for an hour, then drive home and shower BEFORE you can even start to unwind? There is your problem.

You'll get no argument from me. I mean we are sort of talking about sugar but the fact is we have built ourselves a sort of shiatty society.


Sugar, or anything else. As of late, it seems as if the only methods put forward to put society on the right track is by penalizing those whom are apparently straying from that path. While laws and penalties are necessary, I believe that you can get more people onto the right track with incentives and rewards. What ultimately ends up happening in the penalization path is that eventually those abiding by the rules get screwed over and frustrated. I work out 3 days a week and can most definitely afford to eat or drink whatever I want whenever I want, however I am treated as an irresponsible adult and denied ease of access to these substances. This is the same thing responsible gun-owners complain about. When the actions of a few spoil everything for the rest, that pisses off people. Look how amazing UNFUN flying on an airplane has gotten. Thank you TSA for I am now a suspected terrorist until my colon is searched.

Reward and incentive. That is all most people need to change their lifestyles. As a kid I tried hard in school because if I got an A, my parents would buy me new GI Joes or give me money. If instead they just punished me for NOT making an A, then I would have turned out like my freak Asian friends whose parents demanded success and in turn their kids ended up messed up and stressed out perpetually. My parents did not need to punish me for not getting an A, if I didn't, I didn't get the reward. That was punishment enough.
2013-03-07 03:27:51 PM
1 votes:

StoPPeRmobile: kab: Personal responsibility.  No longer available in NY.   Please see pages 4-850 for additional stipulations.

I'm glad I left.

The balls were clipped from that city when the towers fell.


That's just hyperbole
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,,,and a half.
kab
2013-03-07 03:12:52 PM
1 votes:
Personal responsibility.  No longer available in NY.   Please see pages 4-850 for additional stipulations.
2013-03-07 02:58:10 PM
1 votes:

SirEattonHogg: Starbucks isn't great but its certainly better than any gas station / repair shop coffee.


Depends on the place.

My in-laws live down on Cape Cod.  As an avid surf fisherman I "visit" fairly frequently during the nicer months.  This usually means I set my alarm for 3 AM or earlier.  Now, Montauk is terribly un-friendly to anyone off-hours, but the Cape runs a close second.  As a result the only place to get coffee is a local 7-11.

I'll be damned if the coffee in that place isn't downright great.  And yes, I am a coffee snob.

My wife didn't believe me.  Once time when I was coming back she texted me to bring her a coffee from Starbucks since the in-laws make some of the worst coffee I have ever tasted.  I grabbed an empty cup from Starbucks, filled it with coffee from 7-11 and she raved about how much better it was.

By no means is it common, but it does happen.
2013-03-07 02:56:11 PM
1 votes:
As a NY'er, I find this ban to be utter crap. And I'm pretty left wing.

If I drink soda, I usually buy a can because it's smaller. If I get fast-food, I'll get the small.

But, once in a while, I like to buy a 20oz bottle of soda. It's one of my few vices in my life. I don't need someone to tell me what I can drink and what isn't good for me. I KNOW that drinking too much soda is bad, that's why I don't do it every day.

/sipping on what might be my last 20oz Pepsi in the city
2013-03-07 02:38:14 PM
1 votes:

delsydsoftware: Sadly, Starbucks really does need to reduce sugar. I think they have been bumping up sugar in their frappuchinos over the past 5 years. They no longer resemble iced coffee...it's just syrupy shiat.


So ask for less.

Starbucks is crap anyway.
2013-03-07 02:13:18 PM
1 votes:
thurstonxhowell:  I'd rather drink free coffee from the jiffy lube waiting room.


That's total nonsense.  Your taste buds are either non-existent or you're just jumping on the Starbucks hate wagon because its fashionable.  Starbucks isn't great but its certainly better than any gas station / repair shop coffee.

Starbucks tends to burn their coffee, but tastewise its not even remotely comparable.  But, I drink plenty of both, and there is no comparison.   I've never had gas station coffee that was remotely good.  It's just hot and has caffeine for the road.

Personally, as chains go, I like Coffee Bean much better.
2013-03-07 02:09:57 PM
1 votes:
I call for a general strike by all the restaurants, theaters and bars, any place that serves food and beverages in New York. All the business could just close for a couple days and nights. Yes it it would be income loss (all strikes are) and the workers would loose a couple days pay - but It would really make a stink in the city.
2013-03-07 01:51:08 PM
1 votes:
I'm not a huge bloomberg fan. But I take my hat off for taking the risk to start a conversation. He may be wrong about this. It may be overturned and not stand up to legal challenges. But we have a fat problem in this country and study after study has shown that regardless of race, economic profile and all other factors our species eats more when more is placed in front of it. The constant and insidious increase in portion sizes has gotten out of hand. When I was a kid  a coke was 6.5 ounces and no one biatched about it being too small. It was a little treat. Now we have entire segments of our population using ten times that as their primary source of hydration during the day. I remember when a 'tall' was the large size at the coffee shop. Now it's the smallest thing they sell and it happened in little more than a decade. Maybe a law isn't the right way to address it but it is absolutely farked up. "just throw half of the smallest size away" is a pretty stupid way to expect large groups of people to exercise portion control?

OK - what about this - fark the large size ban. What about rules that would force vendors to offer smaller portions as a choice at some reasonable percentage cost of the larger size by volume? Because that's what I want - I just want the option to buy less sometimes and not have to throw a bunch of food away that i paid good money for.
2013-03-07 01:49:04 PM
1 votes:

JohnBigBootay: delsydsoftware: Sadly, Starbucks really does need to reduce sugar. I think they have been bumping up sugar in their frappuchinos over the past 5 years. They no longer resemble iced coffee...it's just syrupy shiat.

I absolutely love an iced green tea latte. It's perfect with nonfat milk and if you specify no sweetener. It's sweet as hell like that. The fact that the default is to pump liquid sugar into that already very sweet substance is mind-boggling to me.


If they're trying to appeal to the non-coffee drinker with the Frap-crap, they're still doing it wrong. No matter what, that stuff is disgusting. I hate coffee, so the inclination to ice it, mix it with lots of sugar and add whipped cream is a complete fail.
2013-03-07 01:41:49 PM
1 votes:

delsydsoftware: Sadly, Starbucks really does need to reduce sugar. I think they have been bumping up sugar in their frappuchinos over the past 5 years. They no longer resemble iced coffee...it's just syrupy shiat.


I absolutely love an iced green tea latte. It's perfect with nonfat milk and if you specify no sweetener. It's sweet as hell like that. The fact that the default is to pump liquid sugar into that already very sweet substance is mind-boggling to me.
2013-03-07 01:19:32 PM
1 votes:

Agent Smiths Laugh: Endive Wombat: The Stealth Hippopotamus: They came for the smoker and I said nothing because I didn't smoke...
They came for the transfats and I said nothing because I didn't eat Oreo.
They came for the Foie gras and I kind of helped them 'cause that shiat is nasty.
Now they come for the sugary drinks

/that's a lie I've been yelling the whole time

I was with you until you got to that part.  Foie is FARKING AMAZING.  Its like meat butter.  How can you go wrong?  What is it about the foie that you do not like?

The production method.


You are viewing it from the humans point of view.  Ducks/geese/pelicans/etc do not have a gag reflex.  Watch a water foul eat a fish...it goes down whole.

If you are referencing an old video on youtube where the ducks feet are nailed to the ground and are abused, then your opinion is skewed...that was filmed in like Eastern Europe back in the 80's/90's IIRC.

Then again, one could be equally disgusted in modern CAFO beef production...
2013-03-07 01:19:22 PM
1 votes:
Can we please limit the NY hate to NYC? His lunacy does not affect the rest of the state's food laws. Something like 60% of the state's population live OUTSIDE that hole.
2013-03-07 12:59:44 PM
1 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: They came for the smoker and I said nothing because I didn't smoke...
They came for the transfats and I said nothing because I didn't eat Oreo.
They came for the Foie gras and I kind of helped them 'cause that shiat is nasty.
Now they come for the sugary drinks

/that's a lie I've been yelling the whole time


Says the guy who has never had foie gras.
2013-03-07 12:42:27 PM
1 votes:

Endive Wombat: The Stealth Hippopotamus: They came for the smoker and I said nothing because I didn't smoke...
They came for the transfats and I said nothing because I didn't eat Oreo.
They came for the Foie gras and I kind of helped them 'cause that shiat is nasty.
Now they come for the sugary drinks

/that's a lie I've been yelling the whole time

I was with you until you got to that part.  Foie is FARKING AMAZING.  Its like meat butter.  How can you go wrong?  What is it about the foie that you do not like?


It is amazing with toasted brioche and a touch of maple syrup.
2013-03-07 12:42:18 PM
1 votes:

wee: justtray: Drinks dont kill people, fatties do.

I just don't know what kind of country we live in where any kid, no matter how old, can walk up to any one of throusands of stores in New York alone, and buy the exact same types of beverages that we sell to our military forces -- and in the same, high-capacity capacity cups!  No waiting period to think about whether this is good for them, no ID check, no questions about obesity or diabetes, the kids just hand their money over and these merchants of death happily give them what they want, in any capacity they want.  No questions asked. What they're doing to our children is unconscionable.
 You never see hunters carrying huge, over-sized Big Gulp cups, do you?  That's because nobody needs more than 16 ounces of soda, and if they do, then they can just buy two.  And a benefit there is the added time and effort in refilling the smaller cup will make them drink soda slower, and therefore kill themselves slower.


We're killing our children by the thousands in this country, every day, and I salute Mayor Bloomberg for finally standing up against Big Soda, as well as the American Beverage Association and their big-money lobbists, and doing something about this rampant problem.


We dont need sugar control, we need better fatty control.

We need to just enforce the fatty control laws already on the books.

Fatties dont obey diets, so there's no point forcing them to diet. Unless we can force them to not be fat, there's no point restricting their access to sugar.
2013-03-07 12:20:11 PM
1 votes:

Endive Wombat: What is to stop retailers and coffee shops from selling two med sized sugar drinks as opposed to one extra large to the same person?


Two drinks. Higher cost. More sales tax.

End of story.
2013-03-07 12:05:18 PM
1 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: They came for the smoker and I said nothing because I didn't smoke...
They came for the transfats and I said nothing because I didn't eat Oreo.
They came for the Foie gras and I kind of helped them 'cause that shiat is nasty.
Now they come for the sugary drinks

/that's a lie I've been yelling the whole time


Foie gras is delicious.  I was grossed out before I tried it, but absolutely love it now.
2013-03-07 11:47:25 AM
1 votes:

jehovahs witness protection: Why hasn't Bloomberg been whacked yet? Oh yeah...the only people allowed to have guns in NYC are cops and mobsters. And he owns both.


Oh, good, we're advocating assassination over the size of your root beer now.
2013-03-07 11:41:10 AM
1 votes:
They came for the smoker and I said nothing because I didn't smoke...
They came for the transfats and I said nothing because I didn't eat Oreo.
They came for the Foie gras and I kind of helped them 'cause that shiat is nasty.
Now they come for the sugary drinks

/that's a lie I've been yelling the whole time
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-03-07 11:19:15 AM
1 votes:
Was this the law where the maximum fine was $100 per day? They'll cover that in an hour of caffeinated whipped cream sales and the rest of the day is profit.
 
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