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2013-03-07 11:09:39 AM  
Why would you institute a ban based on the quantity of the drink?

It should just be a limit on the grams of sugar per volume.

Lets be honest, most people are consuming so much sugar needlessly and likely unknowingly, that it may be a bigger problem than smoking tobacco in this country.
 
2013-03-07 11:18:23 AM  
What is to stop retailers and coffee shops from selling two med sized sugar drinks as opposed to one extra large to the same person?

This is a feelgood law that the general populace really has no interest in, and this law will have ZERO farking impact on obesity.

Congrats NY on making businesses spend more on adapting to unnecessary, over-reaching, and ineffective government regulation.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-03-07 11:19:15 AM  
Was this the law where the maximum fine was $100 per day? They'll cover that in an hour of caffeinated whipped cream sales and the rest of the day is profit.
 
2013-03-07 11:23:30 AM  
Why hasn't Bloomberg been whacked yet? Oh yeah...the only people allowed to have guns in NYC are cops and mobsters. And he owns both.
 
2013-03-07 11:41:10 AM  
They came for the smoker and I said nothing because I didn't smoke...
They came for the transfats and I said nothing because I didn't eat Oreo.
They came for the Foie gras and I kind of helped them 'cause that shiat is nasty.
Now they come for the sugary drinks

/that's a lie I've been yelling the whole time
 
2013-03-07 11:44:53 AM  

ZAZ: Was this the law where the maximum fine was $100 per day? They'll cover that in an hour of caffeinated whipped cream sales and the rest of the day is profit.


Why do you think they are going to take 3 months to look at it? And I guarantee there are other laws that will come into play if Starbucks doesn't at least act like they are going to comply.
 
2013-03-07 11:47:25 AM  

jehovahs witness protection: Why hasn't Bloomberg been whacked yet? Oh yeah...the only people allowed to have guns in NYC are cops and mobsters. And he owns both.


Oh, good, we're advocating assassination over the size of your root beer now.
 
2013-03-07 11:54:13 AM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: They came for the smoker and I said nothing because I didn't smoke...
They came for the transfats and I said nothing because I didn't eat Oreo.
They came for the Foie gras and I kind of helped them 'cause that shiat is nasty.
Now they come for the sugary drinks

/that's a lie I've been yelling the whole time


I was with you until you got to that part.  Foie is FARKING AMAZING.  Its like meat butter.  How can you go wrong?  What is it about the foie that you do not like?
 
wee
2013-03-07 11:55:59 AM  
So they're still going to sell Assault Beverages in spite of the high-capacity cup ban?  Starbucks murders children!
 
2013-03-07 12:05:18 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: They came for the smoker and I said nothing because I didn't smoke...
They came for the transfats and I said nothing because I didn't eat Oreo.
They came for the Foie gras and I kind of helped them 'cause that shiat is nasty.
Now they come for the sugary drinks

/that's a lie I've been yelling the whole time


Foie gras is delicious.  I was grossed out before I tried it, but absolutely love it now.
 
2013-03-07 12:08:04 PM  

wee: So they're still going to sell Assault Beverages in spite of the high-capacity cup ban?  Starbucks murders children!


Drinks dont kill people, fatties do.
 
2013-03-07 12:17:26 PM  

Endive Wombat: I was with you until you got to that part. Foie is FARKING AMAZING. Its like meat butter. How can you go wrong? What is it about the foie that you do not like?


Can't remember the last time I tried it. Just a distance memory of disliking it.
 
2013-03-07 12:20:11 PM  

Endive Wombat: What is to stop retailers and coffee shops from selling two med sized sugar drinks as opposed to one extra large to the same person?


Two drinks. Higher cost. More sales tax.

End of story.
 
wee
2013-03-07 12:26:59 PM  

justtray: Drinks dont kill people, fatties do.


I just don't know what kind of country we live in where any kid, no matter how old, can walk up to any one of throusands of stores in New York alone, and buy the exact same types of beverages that we sell to our military forces -- and in the same, high-capacity capacity cups!  No waiting period to think about whether this is good for them, no ID check, no questions about obesity or diabetes, the kids just hand their money over and these merchants of death happily give them what they want, in any capacity they want.  No questions asked. What they're doing to our children is unconscionable.
 You never see hunters carrying huge, over-sized Big Gulp cups, do you?  That's because nobody needs more than 16 ounces of soda, and if they do, then they can just buy two.  And a benefit there is the added time and effort in refilling the smaller cup will make them drink soda slower, and therefore kill themselves slower.


We're killing our children by the thousands in this country, every day, and I salute Mayor Bloomberg for finally standing up against Big Soda, as well as the American Beverage Association and their big-money lobbists, and doing something about this rampant problem.
 
2013-03-07 12:42:18 PM  

wee: justtray: Drinks dont kill people, fatties do.

I just don't know what kind of country we live in where any kid, no matter how old, can walk up to any one of throusands of stores in New York alone, and buy the exact same types of beverages that we sell to our military forces -- and in the same, high-capacity capacity cups!  No waiting period to think about whether this is good for them, no ID check, no questions about obesity or diabetes, the kids just hand their money over and these merchants of death happily give them what they want, in any capacity they want.  No questions asked. What they're doing to our children is unconscionable.
 You never see hunters carrying huge, over-sized Big Gulp cups, do you?  That's because nobody needs more than 16 ounces of soda, and if they do, then they can just buy two.  And a benefit there is the added time and effort in refilling the smaller cup will make them drink soda slower, and therefore kill themselves slower.


We're killing our children by the thousands in this country, every day, and I salute Mayor Bloomberg for finally standing up against Big Soda, as well as the American Beverage Association and their big-money lobbists, and doing something about this rampant problem.


We dont need sugar control, we need better fatty control.

We need to just enforce the fatty control laws already on the books.

Fatties dont obey diets, so there's no point forcing them to diet. Unless we can force them to not be fat, there's no point restricting their access to sugar.
 
2013-03-07 12:42:27 PM  

Endive Wombat: The Stealth Hippopotamus: They came for the smoker and I said nothing because I didn't smoke...
They came for the transfats and I said nothing because I didn't eat Oreo.
They came for the Foie gras and I kind of helped them 'cause that shiat is nasty.
Now they come for the sugary drinks

/that's a lie I've been yelling the whole time

I was with you until you got to that part.  Foie is FARKING AMAZING.  Its like meat butter.  How can you go wrong?  What is it about the foie that you do not like?


It is amazing with toasted brioche and a touch of maple syrup.
 
wee
2013-03-07 12:48:01 PM  

justtray: We dont need sugar control, we need better fatty control.


They can pry the foie gras from my cold, dead hands.
 
2013-03-07 12:53:41 PM  
It's kind of interesting seeing all the beverage trucks with slogans on them that basically say "Tell the Mayor to go fark himself."
 
2013-03-07 12:58:04 PM  
I still can't believe he's getting away with this sh*t.
 
gja
2013-03-07 12:59:30 PM  

wee: justtray: Drinks dont kill people, fatties do.

I just don't know what kind of country we live in where any kid, no matter how old, can walk up to any one of throusands of stores in New York alone, and buy the exact same types of beverages that we sell to our military forces -- and in the same, high-capacity capacity cups!  No waiting period to think about whether this is good for them, no ID check, no questions about obesity or diabetes, the kids just hand their money over and these merchants of death happily give them what they want, in any capacity they want.  No questions asked. What they're doing to our children is unconscionable.
 You never see hunters carrying huge, over-sized Big Gulp cups, do you?  That's because nobody needs more than 16 ounces of soda, and if they do, then they can just buy two.  And a benefit there is the added time and effort in refilling the smaller cup will make them drink soda slower, and therefore kill themselves slower.


We're killing our children by the thousands in this country, every day, and I salute Mayor Bloomberg for finally standing up against Big Soda, as well as the American Beverage Association and their big-money lobbists, and doing something about this rampant problem.


Niiiiice effort:
encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
 
2013-03-07 12:59:44 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: They came for the smoker and I said nothing because I didn't smoke...
They came for the transfats and I said nothing because I didn't eat Oreo.
They came for the Foie gras and I kind of helped them 'cause that shiat is nasty.
Now they come for the sugary drinks

/that's a lie I've been yelling the whole time


Says the guy who has never had foie gras.
 
2013-03-07 01:01:20 PM  

BunkoSquad: jehovahs witness protection: Why hasn't Bloomberg been whacked yet? Oh yeah...the only people allowed to have guns in NYC are cops and mobsters. And he owns both.

Oh, good, we're advocating assassination over the size of your root beer now.



Well that *is* the historically recommended solution for Nazis.
 
2013-03-07 01:09:22 PM  
We need to ban stupid politicians.
 
2013-03-07 01:09:55 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: ZAZ: Was this the law where the maximum fine was $100 per day? They'll cover that in an hour of caffeinated whipped cream sales and the rest of the day is profit.

Why do you think they are going to take 3 months to look at it? And I guarantee there are other laws that will come into play if Starbucks doesn't at least act like they are going to comply.


They have the money to make it to appellate court. Corporations are people too, my friend.
 
2013-03-07 01:10:31 PM  

squibbits: We need to ban stupid politicians.

Empty seats might be a start.
 
2013-03-07 01:12:52 PM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: Endive Wombat: The Stealth Hippopotamus: They came for the smoker and I said nothing because I didn't smoke...
They came for the transfats and I said nothing because I didn't eat Oreo.
They came for the Foie gras and I kind of helped them 'cause that shiat is nasty.
Now they come for the sugary drinks

/that's a lie I've been yelling the whole time

I was with you until you got to that part.  Foie is FARKING AMAZING.  Its like meat butter.  How can you go wrong?  What is it about the foie that you do not like?

It is amazing with toasted brioche and a touch of maple syrup.


Toasted brioche, cherry gelee and caramelized Bing and Rainier Cherries. That was the first time I had foie gras. Mr. Unsympathetic and I bought our car from the owner of a fancy pants restaurant in Woodinville, WA and she threw in dinner with the car. Duck fat focaccia is another mind altering food I had never tried before that night. Plus runny egg on pasta.

/Dinner was bird themed.
//When Mr. Unsympathetic graduates from university, I'm taking him back.
///Double win for me. Hundred Mile Dinner here I come.... just 15 more months.
//Suddenly, Lean Cuisine for lunch sounds like a fail.
/CSS, stop drooling on your keyboard.
 
2013-03-07 01:13:38 PM  

Endive Wombat: The Stealth Hippopotamus: They came for the smoker and I said nothing because I didn't smoke...
They came for the transfats and I said nothing because I didn't eat Oreo.
They came for the Foie gras and I kind of helped them 'cause that shiat is nasty.
Now they come for the sugary drinks

/that's a lie I've been yelling the whole time

I was with you until you got to that part.  Foie is FARKING AMAZING.  Its like meat butter.  How can you go wrong?  What is it about the foie that you do not like?


The production method.
 
2013-03-07 01:16:29 PM  

wee: justtray: We dont need sugar control, we need better fatty control.

They can pry the foie gras from my cold, dead hands.


They banned it here in California.  Rat bastards.
 
2013-03-07 01:17:43 PM  
Techno Destructo prophesied this.

/obscure? Oh yes, this is obscure.
 
2013-03-07 01:17:59 PM  

Endive Wombat: What is to stop retailers and coffee shops from selling two med sized sugar drinks as opposed to one extra large to the same person?


Nothing whatsoever and Mayor Bloomberg has explicitly acknowledged this.  This is an exercise in behavioral economics, like in that book "Nudge."
 
2013-03-07 01:19:22 PM  
Can we please limit the NY hate to NYC? His lunacy does not affect the rest of the state's food laws. Something like 60% of the state's population live OUTSIDE that hole.
 
2013-03-07 01:19:32 PM  

Agent Smiths Laugh: Endive Wombat: The Stealth Hippopotamus: They came for the smoker and I said nothing because I didn't smoke...
They came for the transfats and I said nothing because I didn't eat Oreo.
They came for the Foie gras and I kind of helped them 'cause that shiat is nasty.
Now they come for the sugary drinks

/that's a lie I've been yelling the whole time

I was with you until you got to that part.  Foie is FARKING AMAZING.  Its like meat butter.  How can you go wrong?  What is it about the foie that you do not like?

The production method.


You are viewing it from the humans point of view.  Ducks/geese/pelicans/etc do not have a gag reflex.  Watch a water foul eat a fish...it goes down whole.

If you are referencing an old video on youtube where the ducks feet are nailed to the ground and are abused, then your opinion is skewed...that was filmed in like Eastern Europe back in the 80's/90's IIRC.

Then again, one could be equally disgusted in modern CAFO beef production...
 
Skr
2013-03-07 01:20:41 PM  
justtray:
We dont need sugar control, we need better fatty control.

We need to just enforce the fatty control laws already on the books.

Fatties dont obey diets, so there's no point forcing them to diet. Unless we can force them to not be fat, there's no point restricting their access to sugar.



With a good portion a law enforcement being overweight, I fear such fatty laws would be akin to dividing by zero, ending the universe as we know it.
 
2013-03-07 01:20:59 PM  
I bet Bloomberg is sitting up in his castle drinking a 2-liter A&W, laughing maniacally while stroking a cat.
 
2013-03-07 01:21:06 PM  

OgreMagi: wee: justtray: We dont need sugar control, we need better fatty control.

They can pry the foie gras from my cold, dead hands.

They banned it here in California.  Rat bastards.


I understand you can BYOFG to restaurants to be cooked for you, like you bring your own wine.
 
2013-03-07 01:21:56 PM  

brap: It's kind of interesting seeing all the beverage trucks with slogans on them that basically say "Tell the Mayor to go fark himself."


Seriously, you should take some pictures of the trucks and post them on fark.
 
2013-03-07 01:22:22 PM  
So, about sugary drinks, does that mean that restaurants can't put sugar packs on tables for those who drink coffee and like to add a bit of sugar?  Or is it that restaurants can't add too much sugar, but customers are free to add as much as they wish?  I honestly haven't heard of this one until now and I am a bit confused by it.  If restaurants can't place sugar packets on tables to allow customers to flavor their coffee as they wish, isn't that basically the very definition of a nanny state?  And if customers are allowed to add as much sugar as they wish, then doesn't that make this insanely stupid law even more pointless?

Doesn't New York City have enough problems right now that need to be addressed long before the subject of sugary drinks is addressed?
 
wee
2013-03-07 01:23:08 PM  

gja: Niiiiice effort:


Thank you!  It almost hurt to write that woolly-headed nonsense.  Not sure how folks like the Brady Bunch do it, to be honest...
 
2013-03-07 01:24:55 PM  
Relative to the bulk of America, New York doesn't have an obesity problem.

/relative
//anecdotally
 
gja
2013-03-07 01:25:11 PM  

zvoidx: I bet Bloomberg is sitting up in his castle drinking a 2-liter A&W, laughing maniacally while stroking a cat.


Yeah, he's stroking SOMEthing, but it ain't a cat.


/get your mind outta the gutter! I was thinking his ego.
 
wee
2013-03-07 01:26:05 PM  

OgreMagi: They banned it here in California. Rat bastards.


Of course they did. You haven't been laboring under the notion that you are an adult who can be well-informed enough to make your own decisions, have you?  Such naïveté...
 
gja
2013-03-07 01:27:08 PM  

Gifted Many Few: Techno Destructo prophesied this.

/obscure? Oh yes, this is obscure.


"We are NOT obscure"
encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
 
2013-03-07 01:27:54 PM  
 
2013-03-07 01:27:56 PM  
I was once at a gun show where I met the members of the committee to elect RON PAUL. They were nuttier than squirrel poo; but this, a limit on the size of drink, is nuttier than the committee to elect RON PAUL.
 
2013-03-07 01:35:06 PM  
The solution is simple: exercise. Buy your iced quad venti caramel macchiato with whipped cream here. Pick it up at the Starbucks 2 doors down (or across the street)...
 
2013-03-07 01:36:14 PM  

L.D. Ablo: The Stealth Hippopotamus: They came for the smoker and I said nothing because I didn't smoke...
They came for the transfats and I said nothing because I didn't eat Oreo.
They came for the Foie gras and I kind of helped them 'cause that shiat is nasty.
Now they come for the sugary drinks

/that's a lie I've been yelling the whole time

Foie gras is delicious.  I was grossed goosed out before I tried it, but absolutely love it now.


FTFY
 
2013-03-07 01:36:28 PM  
image1.frequency.com
 
2013-03-07 01:36:55 PM  
Soylent Green needs to be left overnight on the porch, and skimmed.
 
2013-03-07 01:37:07 PM  

Endive Wombat: Agent Smiths Laugh: Endive Wombat: The Stealth Hippopotamus: They came for the smoker and I said nothing because I didn't smoke...
They came for the transfats and I said nothing because I didn't eat Oreo.
They came for the Foie gras and I kind of helped them 'cause that shiat is nasty.
Now they come for the sugary drinks

/that's a lie I've been yelling the whole time

I was with you until you got to that part.  Foie is FARKING AMAZING.  Its like meat butter.  How can you go wrong?  What is it about the foie that you do not like?

The production method.

You are viewing it from the humans point of view.  Ducks/geese/pelicans/etc do not have a gag reflex.  Watch a water foul eat a fish...it goes down whole.

If you are referencing an old video on youtube where the ducks feet are nailed to the ground and are abused, then your opinion is skewed...that was filmed in like Eastern Europe back in the 80's/90's IIRC.

Then again, one could be equally disgusted in modern CAFO beef production...


Great Janitor: So, about sugary drinks, does that mean that restaurants can't put sugar packs on tables for those who drink coffee and like to add a bit of sugar?  Or is it that restaurants can't add too much sugar, but customers are free to add as much as they wish?  I honestly haven't heard of this one until now and I am a bit confused by it.  If restaurants can't place sugar packets on tables to allow customers to flavor their coffee as they wish, isn't that basically the very definition of a nanny state?  And if customers are allowed to add as much sugar as they wish, then doesn't that make this insanely stupid law even more pointless?

Doesn't New York City have enough problems right now that need to be addressed long before the subject of sugary drinks is addressed?


No sugar packets. You must go to another store for that if, you have a prescription authorized by your insurance company. It's the only way we can be safe.
 
2013-03-07 01:37:53 PM  
Sadly, Starbucks really does need to reduce sugar. I think they have been bumping up sugar in their frappuchinos over the past 5 years. They no longer resemble iced coffee...it's just syrupy shiat.
 
2013-03-07 01:39:11 PM  

justtray: wee: So they're still going to sell Assault Beverages in spite of the high-capacity cup ban?  Starbucks murders children!

Drinks dont kill people, fatties do.


nclinksandthinks.files.wordpress.com

No, spoons do.
 
2013-03-07 01:40:01 PM  

liam76: Says the guy who has never had foie gras.


There's a lot of things I might like in a blind taste test that I'd never eat consciously if I knew what it was/how it was made. For instance the cat shiat coffee. Sometimes I don't need to taste it to know I don't want it. Who gives a shiat - it ain't like I'm starving. It ain't like foie gras is cheap. I choose the top sirloin over the wagu or kobe beef as well - it ain't a political thing, I just think it's absurd to pay that much for protein and fat.
 
2013-03-07 01:40:28 PM  

Super Chronic: Endive Wombat: What is to stop retailers and coffee shops from selling two med sized sugar drinks as opposed to one extra large to the same person?

Nothing whatsoever and Mayor Bloomberg has explicitly acknowledged this.  This is an exercise in behavioral economics, like in that book "Nudge."


And it will work, too.  Not necessarily in favor of the legislation, but more people will say yes to "Supersize it?" than to "Would you like two sodas with that?"
 
2013-03-07 01:41:49 PM  

delsydsoftware: Sadly, Starbucks really does need to reduce sugar. I think they have been bumping up sugar in their frappuchinos over the past 5 years. They no longer resemble iced coffee...it's just syrupy shiat.


I absolutely love an iced green tea latte. It's perfect with nonfat milk and if you specify no sweetener. It's sweet as hell like that. The fact that the default is to pump liquid sugar into that already very sweet substance is mind-boggling to me.
 
2013-03-07 01:42:37 PM  
Wow. Just Wow. Politicians and the media spent the last 40 years scaring the living daylights out of every parent and child in the US, and now they are surprised that kids are fat??? I don't recall this problem when I was a kid, but we went outside and played back then. Of course, we did not have all the rapists and child molesters.... wait, of course they were around, but back then kids were taught what to do in such situations, not hidden away in front of a computer screen for the duration of their entire childhood. Also, we were expected to be some what responsible humans by the time we were 16-18. Today, humans at age 25 are called 'children' by many medical practices as well as politicians.... who are trying to get you to give them money or votes.

Say what you want about the 'old days'. At least we were allowed to be kids when we were kids and adults when we became adults. And age was not the necessarily the defining indicator.

//yes, some people are still kids even into their 40s, and some kids are adults by the time they hit 12... are we to legislate the entire human race because of a few aberrations?
 
2013-03-07 01:43:07 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: brap: It's kind of interesting seeing all the beverage trucks with slogans on them that basically say "Tell the Mayor to go fark himself."

Seriously, you should take some pictures of the trucks and post them on fark.


I've always wanted to be a cub reporter.  My cell phone sucks for photos, I'll start carrying my camera around.  Of course I will probably end up getting a crowbar to the head, delivery guys tend to be hotheads.
 
2013-03-07 01:47:20 PM  

Another Pretentious Nickname: Super Chronic: Endive Wombat: What is to stop retailers and coffee shops from selling two med sized sugar drinks as opposed to one extra large to the same person?

Nothing whatsoever and Mayor Bloomberg has explicitly acknowledged this.  This is an exercise in behavioral economics, like in that book "Nudge."

And it will work, too.  Not necessarily in favor of the legislation, but more people will say yes to "Supersize it?" than to "Would you like two sodas with that?"


The way they can get around it is that by default, all meals come with 2 sodas unless you request to "Downsize" your meal.
 
2013-03-07 01:48:13 PM  

Gifted Many Few: Techno Destructo prophesied this.

/obscure? Oh yes, this is obscure.


ODERUS IS GOD!!  THE STREETS WILL FLOW WITH THE BLOOD OF THE NON-BELIEVERS!!!

/we won't respect you unless you get high with the boys.......
//how could a spaceship fueled by cocaine be in any way obscure?
 
2013-03-07 01:49:04 PM  

JohnBigBootay: delsydsoftware: Sadly, Starbucks really does need to reduce sugar. I think they have been bumping up sugar in their frappuchinos over the past 5 years. They no longer resemble iced coffee...it's just syrupy shiat.

I absolutely love an iced green tea latte. It's perfect with nonfat milk and if you specify no sweetener. It's sweet as hell like that. The fact that the default is to pump liquid sugar into that already very sweet substance is mind-boggling to me.


If they're trying to appeal to the non-coffee drinker with the Frap-crap, they're still doing it wrong. No matter what, that stuff is disgusting. I hate coffee, so the inclination to ice it, mix it with lots of sugar and add whipped cream is a complete fail.
 
2013-03-07 01:51:04 PM  
When did being fat become a crime?

Live and let live.
 
2013-03-07 01:51:08 PM  
I'm not a huge bloomberg fan. But I take my hat off for taking the risk to start a conversation. He may be wrong about this. It may be overturned and not stand up to legal challenges. But we have a fat problem in this country and study after study has shown that regardless of race, economic profile and all other factors our species eats more when more is placed in front of it. The constant and insidious increase in portion sizes has gotten out of hand. When I was a kid  a coke was 6.5 ounces and no one biatched about it being too small. It was a little treat. Now we have entire segments of our population using ten times that as their primary source of hydration during the day. I remember when a 'tall' was the large size at the coffee shop. Now it's the smallest thing they sell and it happened in little more than a decade. Maybe a law isn't the right way to address it but it is absolutely farked up. "just throw half of the smallest size away" is a pretty stupid way to expect large groups of people to exercise portion control?

OK - what about this - fark the large size ban. What about rules that would force vendors to offer smaller portions as a choice at some reasonable percentage cost of the larger size by volume? Because that's what I want - I just want the option to buy less sometimes and not have to throw a bunch of food away that i paid good money for.
 
2013-03-07 01:51:26 PM  
i'm not sure which con job on the gullible and unsuspecting is worse for a person's overall health:

1. Coffee drinks that are essentially hot milkshakes

2. Muffins that are essentially cupcakes without the frosting

I teach at a university and it's shocking to me how many students regard this combination as a normal breakfast. I suspect that it's lack of knowledge. Starbucks should be required to print calorie/fat/sugar info on their cups.
 
2013-03-07 01:52:14 PM  

Endive Wombat: Agent Smiths Laugh: Endive Wombat: The Stealth Hippopotamus: They came for the smoker and I said nothing because I didn't smoke...
They came for the transfats and I said nothing because I didn't eat Oreo.
They came for the Foie gras and I kind of helped them 'cause that shiat is nasty.
Now they come for the sugary drinks

/that's a lie I've been yelling the whole time

I was with you until you got to that part.  Foie is FARKING AMAZING.  Its like meat butter.  How can you go wrong?  What is it about the foie that you do not like?

The production method.

You are viewing it from the humans point of view.  Ducks/geese/pelicans/etc do not have a gag reflex.  Watch a water foul eat a fish...it goes down whole.

If you are referencing an old video on youtube where the ducks feet are nailed to the ground and are abused, then your opinion is skewed...that was filmed in like Eastern Europe back in the 80's/90's IIRC.

Then again, one could be equally disgusted in modern CAFO beef production...


I'm not a PETA nut. I have meat with almost every meal but even I won't eat foie gras. Dirty Jobs showed the force feeding of the ducks and I looked into it. I read several sources and looked at both sides. I think the facts are clear and you can read about them at stopforcefeeding.com. I am too lazy to link it. Force feeding is much more gruesome than most people realize.
 
2013-03-07 01:52:24 PM  

ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: I hate coffee


Yeah, I'd really just avoid coffee shops entirely if you don't like coffee.
 
2013-03-07 01:57:14 PM  

Endive Wombat: Agent Smiths Laugh: Endive Wombat: The Stealth Hippopotamus: They came for the smoker and I said nothing because I didn't smoke...
They came for the transfats and I said nothing because I didn't eat Oreo.
They came for the Foie gras and I kind of helped them 'cause that shiat is nasty.
Now they come for the sugary drinks

/that's a lie I've been yelling the whole time

I was with you until you got to that part.  Foie is FARKING AMAZING.  Its like meat butter.  How can you go wrong?  What is it about the foie that you do not like?

The production method.

You are viewing it from the humans point of view.  Ducks/geese/pelicans/etc do not have a gag reflex.  Watch a water foul eat a fish...it goes down whole.

If you are referencing an old video on youtube where the ducks feet are nailed to the ground and are abused, then your opinion is skewed...that was filmed in like Eastern Europe back in the 80's/90's IIRC.

Then again, one could be equally disgusted in modern CAFO beef production...


They...nailed a ducks feet to the ground?  Really?

Ok, that is 95% disturbing and 5%  hilarious! (Only because my minds eye easily sees Bugs doing that to Daffy.)
 
2013-03-07 02:00:11 PM  

delsydsoftware: Sadly, Starbucks really does need to reduce sugar. I think they have been bumping up sugar in their frappuchinos over the past 5 years. They no longer resemble iced coffee...it's just syrupy shiat.


It would be nice if they managed to make coffee that didn't taste like rotten garbage, as well. I'd rather drink the free coffee from the Jiffy Lube waiting room.
 
2013-03-07 02:01:17 PM  
Hahahhahahaaha..... New FloriDork...

It just keeps getting better and better. And by better, I mean stupid-er....
 
2013-03-07 02:01:23 PM  
The solution... heh - heh - heh (Bill Cosby laugh)

Sell drink syrup in separate shot glass (one of those tiny 2 oz. cups).

Sell 32 oz. cups of/for carbonated water.

Allow customers to fill own cups at soda fountain. If they happen to get the premixed soda, still sell the 2 items separately (store saves money on the 2oz. cups....)..


In addition, open up trans-fat IV clinics in NYC. IV injection of trans-fat is NOT covered by the restaurant ban.
 
2013-03-07 02:06:20 PM  

WorkingInParadise: The solution is simple: exercise. Buy your iced quad venti caramel macchiato with whipped cream here. Pick it up at the Starbucks 2 doors down (or across the street)...


How dare you tell us to exercise - that's Unamerican! I am sure Starbucks would receive strongly worded letters from the hoveround brigade if that happened. If I want to remain sedentary and keel over on my sofa in a pile of fries, that's my business, fascist commie!
 
2013-03-07 02:07:37 PM  

ladyfortuna: Can we please limit the NY hate to NYC? His lunacy does not affect the rest of the state's food laws. Something like 60% of the state's population live OUTSIDE that hole.


You should know by now that when people from outside of the state refer to "New York" they're talking about the city, and Manhattan in particular. When they're talking about the state they actually say "New York State."

As for this law, it's stupid. People will find ways to circumvent it, either by purchasing two drinks or skipping the drinks at restaurants and buying a two-liter bottle or multi-pack of their favorite sugary drink. Unless the Mayor plans to ban major beverage companies from selling larger bottles or multi-packs (and I'd like to see him face Coca Cola or Pepsico on that one) this is just a worthless law that will inconvenience restaurants.
 
2013-03-07 02:08:32 PM  

ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: JohnBigBootay: delsydsoftware: Sadly, Starbucks really does need to reduce sugar. I think they have been bumping up sugar in their frappuchinos over the past 5 years. They no longer resemble iced coffee...it's just syrupy shiat.

I absolutely love an iced green tea latte. It's perfect with nonfat milk and if you specify no sweetener. It's sweet as hell like that. The fact that the default is to pump liquid sugar into that already very sweet substance is mind-boggling to me.

If they're trying to appeal to the non-coffee drinker with the Frap-crap, they're still doing it wrong. No matter what, that stuff is disgusting. I hate coffee, so the inclination to ice it, mix it with lots of sugar and add whipped cream is a complete fail.


You know what Bill Hicks said about those who work in marketing.......
 
2013-03-07 02:09:26 PM  

squibbits: We need to ban stupid politicians.


Bloomberg isn't stupid, just authoritarian.  We really need to ban those.
 
2013-03-07 02:09:57 PM  
I call for a general strike by all the restaurants, theaters and bars, any place that serves food and beverages in New York. All the business could just close for a couple days and nights. Yes it it would be income loss (all strikes are) and the workers would loose a couple days pay - but It would really make a stink in the city.
 
2013-03-07 02:10:16 PM  

Mija: Endive Wombat: Agent Smiths Laugh: Endive Wombat: The Stealth Hippopotamus: They came for the smoker and I said nothing because I didn't smoke...
They came for the transfats and I said nothing because I didn't eat Oreo.
They came for the Foie gras and I kind of helped them 'cause that shiat is nasty.
Now they come for the sugary drinks

/that's a lie I've been yelling the whole time

I was with you until you got to that part.  Foie is FARKING AMAZING.  Its like meat butter.  How can you go wrong?  What is it about the foie that you do not like?

The production method.

You are viewing it from the humans point of view.  Ducks/geese/pelicans/etc do not have a gag reflex.  Watch a water foul eat a fish...it goes down whole.

If you are referencing an old video on youtube where the ducks feet are nailed to the ground and are abused, then your opinion is skewed...that was filmed in like Eastern Europe back in the 80's/90's IIRC.

Then again, one could be equally disgusted in modern CAFO beef production...

I'm not a PETA nut. I have meat with almost every meal but even I won't eat foie gras. Dirty Jobs showed the force feeding of the ducks and I looked into it. I read several sources and looked at both sides. I think the facts are clear and you can read about them at stopforcefeeding.com. I am too lazy to link it. Force feeding is much more gruesome than most people realize.


Force feeding the ducks is an outdated practice.  They were required to do it to get the geese/ducks fat because the animals wouldn't eat enough.  Fortunately  that problem has all but been eliminated since switching to American ducks.
 
2013-03-07 02:11:41 PM  
JohnBigBootaywe have a fat problem in this country...What about rules that would force ..."

Laws and regulations are too important, too powerful, to waste on trying to solve problems that people are free to solve for themselves. "I see a problem, so there ought to be a law" is a wrong-headed knee-jerk reaction.
 
2013-03-07 02:11:44 PM  

Mija: Endive Wombat: Agent Smiths Laugh: Endive Wombat: The Stealth Hippopotamus: They came for the smoker and I said nothing because I didn't smoke...
They came for the transfats and I said nothing because I didn't eat Oreo.
They came for the Foie gras and I kind of helped them 'cause that shiat is nasty.
Now they come for the sugary drinks

/that's a lie I've been yelling the whole time

I was with you until you got to that part.  Foie is FARKING AMAZING.  Its like meat butter.  How can you go wrong?  What is it about the foie that you do not like?

The production method.

You are viewing it from the humans point of view.  Ducks/geese/pelicans/etc do not have a gag reflex.  Watch a water foul eat a fish...it goes down whole.

If you are referencing an old video on youtube where the ducks feet are nailed to the ground and are abused, then your opinion is skewed...that was filmed in like Eastern Europe back in the 80's/90's IIRC.

Then again, one could be equally disgusted in modern CAFO beef production...

I'm not a PETA nut. I have meat with almost every meal but even I won't eat foie gras. Dirty Jobs showed the force feeding of the ducks and I looked into it. I read several sources and looked at both sides. I think the facts are clear and you can read about them at stopforcefeeding.com. I am too lazy to link it. Force feeding is much more gruesome than most people realize.


How  would you feel if the duck was never conscious? Say in a coma and force-fed to completion. If they never feel they never suffer, right?
 
2013-03-07 02:12:05 PM  

justtray: Why would you institute a ban based on the quantity of the drink?

It should just be a limit on the grams of sugar per volume.

Lets be honest, most people are consuming so much sugar needlessly and likely unknowingly, that it may be a bigger problem than smoking tobacco in this country.


So it is about time to start dictating how other people live their lives and the choices they make by forcing them to conform?
 
2013-03-07 02:13:18 PM  
thurstonxhowell:  I'd rather drink free coffee from the jiffy lube waiting room.


That's total nonsense.  Your taste buds are either non-existent or you're just jumping on the Starbucks hate wagon because its fashionable.  Starbucks isn't great but its certainly better than any gas station / repair shop coffee.

Starbucks tends to burn their coffee, but tastewise its not even remotely comparable.  But, I drink plenty of both, and there is no comparison.   I've never had gas station coffee that was remotely good.  It's just hot and has caffeine for the road.

Personally, as chains go, I like Coffee Bean much better.
 
2013-03-07 02:14:55 PM  
Solution: Shut down all Starbucks franchises on the east coast.

dl.dropbox.com

/Solution to what?  Why, modern civilization, of course.
 
2013-03-07 02:17:20 PM  

The Muthaship: I still can't believe he's getting away with this sh*t.


Yeah, I'm not sure how that works. Don't laws have to be approved by a governing body, and not just made at the whim of one politician? Is NYC some kind of monarchy?
 
2013-03-07 02:20:39 PM  
Who cares what the mayor of some municipality thinks?
 
2013-03-07 02:22:42 PM  

december: i'm not sure which con job on the gullible and unsuspecting is worse for a person's overall health:

1. Coffee drinks that are essentially hot milkshakes

2. Muffins that are essentially cupcakes without the frosting

I teach at a university and it's shocking to me how many students regard this combination as a normal breakfast. I suspect that it's lack of knowledge. Starbucks should be required to print calorie/fat/sugar info on their cups.


Do you honestly think students would care to read it even then? Most people don't care. It is readily available and quick. Show up on campus, place order, walk to class and eat breakfast all-the-while having a drink that lasts you through class. You want to change the way of the world, how about coming up with your own chain of successful food/drink that is semi-healthy. The problem is that everything is so fast-paced now in America, we do what is quick and easy and try to make up for the effects or mitigate. The vast majority of people are not going out of their way to be healthy. The trick isn't to be super healthy, just not really really Double-Down Unhealthy. Those choices really do not exist now.

Jenny Craig for example has excellent tasting food and it is priced fairly well. They are smaller portions, but not "super weird diet healthy." There are no drive-thru Jenny Craig's and having them would ultimately fail because people steer clear of "Healthy" because it is almost always a euphemism for "gross hippy food." Don't market yourself as Health first, but off of quality and taste without the fat.
 
2013-03-07 02:23:28 PM  
I wonder to what degree they're pitching a limit so that people say "a limit is stupid, I need a 32 oz soda! Just tax it!"
And then when they (gladly) switch it to a tax, and all that sweet, sweet fat-tax cash rolls in, they can fall back on "well it wasn't *our* idea!"

/ That said, they should tax it.
// If only to cover the costs the city will eventually be conned into sharing, when they retrofit all the sports stadiums to fit increasingly fatter asses.
 
2013-03-07 02:25:19 PM  
Sugar and caffeine vs. Bloomberg?

I don't care how much you hate Starbucks, Bloomberg is going down.
 
2013-03-07 02:25:36 PM  

the money is in the banana stand: justtray: Why would you institute a ban based on the quantity of the drink?

It should just be a limit on the grams of sugar per volume.

Lets be honest, most people are consuming so much sugar needlessly and likely unknowingly, that it may be a bigger problem than smoking tobacco in this country.

So it is about time to start dictating how other people live their lives and the choices they make by forcing them to conform?


You say that like it hasn't happened already.
 
2013-03-07 02:25:39 PM  
Stop putting sugar in your coffee

i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-07 02:25:45 PM  

JohnBigBootay: liam76: Says the guy who has never had foie gras.

There's a lot of things I might like in a blind taste test that I'd never eat consciously if I knew what it was/how it was made. For instance the cat shiat coffee. Sometimes I don't need to taste it to know I don't want it. Who gives a shiat - it ain't like I'm starving. It ain't like foie gras is cheap. I choose the top sirloin over the wagu or kobe beef as well - it ain't a political thing, I just think it's absurd to pay that much for protein and fat.


Fair enough, just pointing out it is awesome.
 
2013-03-07 02:26:27 PM  

SirEattonHogg: That's total nonsense. Your taste buds are either non-existent or you're just jumping on the Starbucks hate wagon because its fashionable.


SirEattonHogg: Starbucks tends to burn their coffee


This is pretty complicated, but see if you can follow me here. I don't like burnt coffee. Starbucks burns their coffee. Therefore, I do not like Starbucks coffee.

I'm not going to add cream and sugar to make it passable, either. I'll save myself a couple bucks and just get some hot caffeine water from the local Gas n Gulp and make do until I get home.

The exception is Pumpkin Latte. I get that about twice a year.
 
2013-03-07 02:27:05 PM  
MrBentor: "I call for a general strike by all the restaurants, theaters and bars, any place that serves food and beverages in New York."

You want the people making the market-rules-all pitch... to strike?

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2013-03-07 02:31:23 PM  

gja: Niiiiice effort:
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sarcasm
(noun:  sahr-kaz-uhm )
1. harsh or bitter derision or irony.
2. a sharply ironical taunt; sneering or cutting remark

Trolling
(verb.: /'tro?ling/, /'tr?ling/)
1.Posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response.
 
2013-03-07 02:33:45 PM  
thurstonxhowell:  The exception is pumpkin latte


That was painfully complicated, but okay I was able to follow.

Actually I think they got much better with their new lighter brew.  The blonde roast.  Try that.

The thing with me is that coffee station brew is either watery swill or a brewed replication of instant coffee.
 
2013-03-07 02:34:56 PM  
I mean "gas station brew"... ugh.  I need a coffee.
 
2013-03-07 02:37:24 PM  

ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: JohnBigBootay: delsydsoftware: Sadly, Starbucks really does need to reduce sugar. I think they have been bumping up sugar in their frappuchinos over the past 5 years. They no longer resemble iced coffee...it's just syrupy shiat.

I absolutely love an iced green tea latte. It's perfect with nonfat milk and if you specify no sweetener. It's sweet as hell like that. The fact that the default is to pump liquid sugar into that already very sweet substance is mind-boggling to me.

If they're trying to appeal to the non-coffee drinker with the Frap-crap, they're still doing it wrong. No matter what, that stuff is disgusting. I hate coffee, so the inclination to ice it, mix it with lots of sugar and add whipped cream is a complete fail.


I wish that all the things that I've been "doing wrong" would make me millions of dollars. They're appealing to the "yay fat and sugar" crowd, and it's working pretty well.
 
2013-03-07 02:37:38 PM  
I know quite a few people who have at one point or another gotten most of their daily calories from sugary beverages. One person was buying a half-gallon of sweet tea and taking it to the gym for hydration. He didn't realize that starting on a product which was mostly corn syrup and sugar at the same time he decided to get in shape wasn't helping his weight loss goal. The rest were all friends who bought multiple small sugary beverages each day. Most of these people who complained about their weight eventually figured it out, but somehow failed miserably at absorbing the message for a long while. The message is out there, but getting people to understand it seems to be the problem.

Of course that's been my experience in adult life. When I was in high school my friends would always order the biggest soda at a fast food restaurant and be sure to fill it up again before leaving. I guess it probably is related to money as none of my high school friends could afford the coffee in the morning, a couple of 20 oz sodas during the day, maybe a frappuccino break when the weather was warm, and then a few beers or cocktails in the evening.
 
2013-03-07 02:38:14 PM  

delsydsoftware: Sadly, Starbucks really does need to reduce sugar. I think they have been bumping up sugar in their frappuchinos over the past 5 years. They no longer resemble iced coffee...it's just syrupy shiat.


So ask for less.

Starbucks is crap anyway.
 
2013-03-07 02:42:41 PM  

Endive Wombat: What is to stop retailers and coffee shops from selling two med sized sugar drinks as opposed to one extra large to the same person?


The same thing that stopped convenience stores in D.C. from selling packs of two 12oz cans of beer instead of one 20z before 7am when the council voted to ban selling the larger volumes.  That is to say, absolutely nothing.
 
2013-03-07 02:42:43 PM  
It's really astonishing when an asshole politician can standout in a field utterly dominated by assholes.
 
2013-03-07 02:43:40 PM  

louiedog: and then a few beers or cocktails in the evening.


A serious, mostly liquor cocktail is actually pretty good for you when you're dieting- your body doesn't process calories from alcohol well at all. The reason beer makes you fat is all the residual carbs and sugars, not the alcohol. If you're trying to keep weight down, that manhattan is a decent option. A sugar pink friztini is not. A beer- even a light one- will be much worse for your weight than a glass of scotch.
 
2013-03-07 02:46:12 PM  

StrangeQ: Endive Wombat: What is to stop retailers and coffee shops from selling two med sized sugar drinks as opposed to one extra large to the same person?

The same thing that stopped convenience stores in D.C. from selling packs of two 12oz cans of beer instead of one 20z before 7am when the council voted to ban selling the larger volumes.  That is to say, absolutely nothing.


And the point here isn't to stop them from doing that. It's to get people to realize that a 32 oz soda is not a farking normal serving size.
 
2013-03-07 02:46:51 PM  
Starbucks better just straighten up and fly right and do what it is told, otherwise they might regret it.

Not a threat, constructive criticism.
 
2013-03-07 02:48:15 PM  

justtray: wee: justtray: Drinks dont kill people, fatties do.

I just don't know what kind of country we live in where any kid, no matter how old, can walk up to any one of throusands of stores in New York alone, and buy the exact same types of beverages that we sell to our military forces -- and in the same, high-capacity capacity cups!  No waiting period to think about whether this is good for them, no ID check, no questions about obesity or diabetes, the kids just hand their money over and these merchants of death happily give them what they want, in any capacity they want.  No questions asked. What they're doing to our children is unconscionable.
 You never see hunters carrying huge, over-sized Big Gulp cups, do you?  That's because nobody needs more than 16 ounces of soda, and if they do, then they can just buy two.  And a benefit there is the added time and effort in refilling the smaller cup will make them drink soda slower, and therefore kill themselves slower.


We're killing our children by the thousands in this country, every day, and I salute Mayor Bloomberg for finally standing up against Big Soda, as well as the American Beverage Association and their big-money lobbists, and doing something about this rampant problem.

We dont need sugar control, we need better fatty control.

We need to just enforce the fatty control laws already on the books.

Fatties dont obey diets, so there's no point forcing them to diet. Unless we can force them to not be fat, there's no point restricting their access to sugar.


//you sound fat
//that & your dick size sounds small
//compound problem-no wonder you aren't getting any
 
2013-03-07 02:51:11 PM  

cptjeff: louiedog: and then a few beers or cocktails in the evening.

A serious, mostly liquor cocktail is actually pretty good for you when you're dieting- your body doesn't process calories from alcohol well at all. The reason beer makes you fat is all the residual carbs and sugars, not the alcohol. If you're trying to keep weight down, that manhattan is a decent option. A sugar pink friztini is not. A beer- even a light one- will be much worse for your weight than a glass of scotch.


Thank you for the reminder. I have a bottle of rum thats waiting to be opened as reward for eating like a rabbit this week.

Will drink straight to save calories/Sugar!
 
2013-03-07 02:52:46 PM  
if i lived in NYC i might give a damn.
 
2013-03-07 02:54:30 PM  

Endive Wombat: What is to stop retailers and coffee shops from selling two med sized sugar drinks as opposed to one extra large to the same person?

This is a feelgood law that the general populace really has no interest in, and this law will have ZERO farking impact on obesity.

Congrats NY on making businesses spend more on adapting to unnecessary, over-reaching, and ineffective government regulation.


THIS

Besides, a 12 oz can of Coke has 39 grams of sugar alone. His little anti-obesity plan is making him look like a joke on BOTH sides of the issue. Look, if people wanna be fat, banning drinks isn't going to stop them. Like drugs, if people want to destroy themselves, laws won't stop them. Nice try, Mayor Dumbass.
 
2013-03-07 02:56:11 PM  
As a NY'er, I find this ban to be utter crap. And I'm pretty left wing.

If I drink soda, I usually buy a can because it's smaller. If I get fast-food, I'll get the small.

But, once in a while, I like to buy a 20oz bottle of soda. It's one of my few vices in my life. I don't need someone to tell me what I can drink and what isn't good for me. I KNOW that drinking too much soda is bad, that's why I don't do it every day.

/sipping on what might be my last 20oz Pepsi in the city
 
2013-03-07 02:58:10 PM  

SirEattonHogg: Starbucks isn't great but its certainly better than any gas station / repair shop coffee.


Depends on the place.

My in-laws live down on Cape Cod.  As an avid surf fisherman I "visit" fairly frequently during the nicer months.  This usually means I set my alarm for 3 AM or earlier.  Now, Montauk is terribly un-friendly to anyone off-hours, but the Cape runs a close second.  As a result the only place to get coffee is a local 7-11.

I'll be damned if the coffee in that place isn't downright great.  And yes, I am a coffee snob.

My wife didn't believe me.  Once time when I was coming back she texted me to bring her a coffee from Starbucks since the in-laws make some of the worst coffee I have ever tasted.  I grabbed an empty cup from Starbucks, filled it with coffee from 7-11 and she raved about how much better it was.

By no means is it common, but it does happen.
 
2013-03-07 02:59:41 PM  

wee: justtray: Drinks dont kill people, fatties do.

I just don't know what kind of country we live in where any kid, no matter how old, can walk up to any one of throusands of stores in New York alone, and buy the exact same types of beverages that we sell to our military forces -- and in the same, high-capacity capacity cups!  No waiting period to think about whether this is good for them, no ID check, no questions about obesity or diabetes, the kids just hand their money over and these merchants of death happily give them what they want, in any capacity they want.  No questions asked. What they're doing to our children is unconscionable.
 You never see hunters carrying huge, over-sized Big Gulp cups, do you?  That's because nobody needs more than 16 ounces of soda, and if they do, then they can just buy two.  And a benefit there is the added time and effort in refilling the smaller cup will make them drink soda slower, and therefore kill themselves slower.


We're killing our children by the thousands in this country, every day, and I salute Mayor Bloomberg for finally standing up against Big Soda, as well as the American Beverage Association and their big-money lobbists, and doing something about this rampant problem.


You've convinced me.  I'm going out tomorrow and buying an AR-15 light with diet bullets.
 
2013-03-07 03:00:09 PM  
What's Bloomberg's approval rating these days? Do New Yorkers actually like this busybody asshole?
 
2013-03-07 03:00:50 PM  
Geez. Go ahead and sell the sodas in the tanker size - I give up. If you want to carry around a freakin' three pound 'beverage' (that's not a beverage, that's double a large families' sugar allotment for the entire day) knock yourself out. But at least make it a regularly available option for the non-insane people to buy an 8 or 12 ouncer.
 
2013-03-07 03:04:07 PM  

Nem Wan: Who cares what the mayor of some municipality thinks?


If this were almost any other municipality, it wouldn't matter.  Sadly, this is New York City, one of the largest cities in the United States.  Someone pointed out that 40% of the population of New York state lives in New York City, meaning that in any state election, what New York City wants, New York City gets.

Right now Bloomberg is just banning soda sizes and sugar contents in drinks.  But that's not going to be where it stops.  He's going to keep going and going, and eventually, it could lead to something that would effect the rest of the nation.  Let me explain how.  You ever wondered why there is an expiration date on bottled water?  That's because one state requires that all food and drink, including bottled water, have an expiration date.  The bottled water companies figure it's cheaper to just put expiration dates on all bottles than to separate out bottles for that one state and stamp expiration dates on them.  Now, let's go back to Bloomberg and New York City.  Bloomberg could propose or even pass a law stating that all iPods and MP3 players sold in New York City must be limited in volume to a lower decibel to protect hearing.  First, retail companies, once the law goes into effect will stop stocking MP3 players and iPods because they don't meet Bloomberg's law.  Secondly, people are going to travel out of New York to buy iPods and MP3 players.  Finally, the retail companies and manufacturers are going to realize that they are losing money and will start to make iPods and MP3 players that aren't as loud as the current ones allow, however, instead of making ones for New York only, they'll just make New York approved models for everyone since that would be cheaper overall.
 
2013-03-07 03:05:15 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: What's Bloomberg's approval rating these days? Do New Yorkers actually like this busybody asshole?


He's right around 50%. Apparently he has some backers in the 'you know what, that fat fark carrying around a half gallon of mountain dew DOES bother me' camp. Me, I think he has the wrong solution... but he's absolutely forcing the debate on the right problem. As a nation we have to look at the insane amount of sugar we are ingesting. I don't know how to solve it but just sitting back and doing nothing while pretending the problem doesn't exist isn't any smarter than what he's doing. 'Advisories' and articles that something is bad for you have next to no effect.
 
2013-03-07 03:05:54 PM  

BunkoSquad: jehovahs witness protection: Why hasn't Bloomberg been whacked yet? Oh yeah...the only people allowed to have guns in NYC are cops and mobsters. And he owns both.

Oh, good, we're advocating assassination over the size of your root beer now.


Even if everybody had guns, the assassin would probably be too fat to make a clean getaway.
 
2013-03-07 03:11:43 PM  
If you outlaw sugary drinks, only outlaws fatties will have sugary drinks.

Or something.
 
2013-03-07 03:12:01 PM  

KrispyKritter: if i lived in NYC i might give a damn.


1.bp.blogspot.com
You get used to it.
 
kab
2013-03-07 03:12:52 PM  
Personal responsibility.  No longer available in NY.   Please see pages 4-850 for additional stipulations.
 
2013-03-07 03:13:10 PM  
Cool, more plastic for the landfills. Yay!
 
2013-03-07 03:18:13 PM  

kab: Personal responsibility.  No longer available in NY.   Please see pages 4-850 for additional stipulations.


I'm glad I left.

The balls were clipped from that city when the towers fell.
 
2013-03-07 03:27:51 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: kab: Personal responsibility.  No longer available in NY.   Please see pages 4-850 for additional stipulations.

I'm glad I left.

The balls were clipped from that city when the towers fell.


That's just hyperbole
s7.postimage.org
,,,and a half.
 
2013-03-07 03:32:26 PM  
Yay, Nanny State!

Crime cams on every corner will soon follow.
 
2013-03-07 03:36:37 PM  

JohnBigBootay: ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: I hate coffee

Yeah, I'd really just avoid coffee shops entirely if you don't like coffee.


Its hard when Seattle revolves around coffee culture... out of office work meeting? Starbucks. Socializing between meals? Coffee shop!

I avoid it as much as I can, but Starbucks or some other coffee shop is in every single grocery store. I don't drink it, so I don't bother buying anything, but avoiding them would inhibit my ability to buy other food stuffs. The smell not easy to avoid though.
 
2013-03-07 03:44:33 PM  

AgentBang: But, once in a while, I like to buy a 20oz bottle of soda. It's one of my few vices in my life. I don't need someone to tell me what I can drink and what isn't good for me. I KNOW that drinking too much soda is bad, that's why I don't do it every day.

/sipping on what might be my last 20oz Pepsi in the city


Most places that sell soda by the bottle are convenience stores. Convenience stores are exempt.
 
2013-03-07 03:50:12 PM  
3.bp.blogspot.com

Well, allow me to retort!
 
2013-03-07 03:51:38 PM  
Because making something less convenient will make people stop doing it!
People are using guns in crimes! Let's make the law restrict people to 7 bullets in a magazine, so they'll have to break two laws to murder someone!
People are drinking too much sugary drinks! Let's make the law that they have to purchase two drinks instead of one big one. That'll make them stop drinking so much of it!
Teenagers are having too much sex! Let's add more penalties for underage sex, because the threat of harsher punishment will work against a mind raging with hormones!

New Yorkers. You voted for this kind of thing, now live with it or change it. Complaining is not a solution.
 
gja
2013-03-07 03:57:37 PM  

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: gja: Niiiiice effort:
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sarcasm
(noun:  sahr-kaz-uhm )
1. harsh or bitter derision or irony.
2. a sharply ironical taunt; sneering or cutting remark

Trolling
(verb.: /'tro?ling/, /'tr?ling/)
1.Posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response.


Ahhhh, but his sarcasm WAS trolling. And to his credit he got bites! Well played by Wee. Well played indeed.
 
2013-03-07 04:00:23 PM  

Securitywyrm: Because making something less convenient will make people stop doing it!
People are using guns in crimes! Let's make the law restrict people to 7 bullets in a magazine, so they'll have to break two laws to murder someone!
People are drinking too much sugary drinks! Let's make the law that they have to purchase two drinks instead of one big one. That'll make them stop drinking so much of it!
Teenagers are having too much sex! Let's add more penalties for underage sex, because the threat of harsher punishment will work against a mind raging with hormones!

New Yorkers. You voted for this kind of thing, now live with it or change it. Complaining is not a solution.


Leaving is.

/ex NYr
 
2013-03-07 04:02:40 PM  
All I got to say is Starbuck's better pony up my free $5 for being a new customer registering a new card on Starbucks.com.

I think the promo ends on the 24th. You buy a $15 card (you have to be a new customer) online or at a store and register it with Starbucks.com and they add $5 WITHIN 72 HOURS.

I'm waitin. Right here. I'm waitin.
 
2013-03-07 04:04:28 PM  

ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: Its hard when Seattle revolves around coffee culture... out of office work meeting? Starbucks. Socializing between meals? Coffee shop!

I avoid it as much as I can, but Starbucks or some other coffee shop is in every single grocery store. I don't drink it, so I don't bother buying anything, but avoiding them would inhibit my ability to buy other food stuffs. The smell not easy to avoid though.


Well, luckily they carry more and more juices and tea and crap these days. Me, I need a caffeine drip via IV to get through the work day.
 
2013-03-07 04:05:31 PM  

JohnBigBootay: Crotchrocket Slim: What's Bloomberg's approval rating these days? Do New Yorkers actually like this busybody asshole?

He's right around 50%. Apparently he has some backers in the 'you know what, that fat fark carrying around a half gallon of mountain dew DOES bother me' camp. Me, I think he has the wrong solution... but he's absolutely forcing the debate on the right problem. As a nation we have to look at the insane amount of sugar we are ingesting. I don't know how to solve it but just sitting back and doing nothing while pretending the problem doesn't exist isn't any smarter than what he's doing. 'Advisories' and articles that something is bad for you have next to no effect.


Problems: Access to acceptable and healthier substitutes are limited, often times more expensive, and less convenient.

Solutions:
-Reward businesses/restaurants for offering cleaner menus.
-Create tax and loan incentives for new restaurants providing for a cleaner menu.
-Reward and provide tax incentives for those practicing a healthy lifestyle.
-Provide incentive for and support to get fresh fruits/vegetables to lower socio-economic areas.

- Long term more complicated solution, the culture and pace of life in America has to change. Instead of life becoming easier, it has become more and more difficult with work overshadowing any sort of personal time that humans require. It is next to impossible for most families to survive on a single-income which places both parents working, which means probably little-to-no home cooked meals. The food at schools is mostly deplorable and not remotely healthy. Most people drive everywhere they go due to the city planning as housing in town is difficult to come by and multi-use spaces is not rampant.

You want to know why humans do pretty much anything despite the consequences? Accessibility and ease. When you have the option of eating a 800 calories of a small fast-food combo meal that takes 10 minutes and costs 5 bucks versus spend the time at a grocery store, cook, do the dishes, and store/heat up food - which do you choose? When you are getting home every night at 8, are you really going to go to the gym which costs money, and work out for an hour, then drive home and shower BEFORE you can even start to unwind? There is your problem.
 
2013-03-07 04:12:16 PM  

ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: OgreMagi: wee: justtray: We dont need sugar control, we need better fatty control.

They can pry the foie gras from my cold, dead hands.

They banned it here in California.  Rat bastards.

I understand you can BYOFG to restaurants to be cooked for you, like you bring your own wine.


I've heard that there are restaurants who are skirting this nonsense by just keeping it off the menu but making it available to those who know to ask for it (and I assume who are known to the restaurant or who say, "Smitty sent me"). And if I recall correctly, authorities have as much as said, "We're not enforcing this unless somebody complains". They apparently have better things to do with their time than trying to make sure eateries don't serve particular dishes.
 
2013-03-07 04:17:54 PM  

the money is in the banana stand: JohnBigBootay: Crotchrocket Slim: What's Bloomberg's approval rating these days? Do New Yorkers actually like this busybody asshole?

He's right around 50%. Apparently he has some backers in the 'you know what, that fat fark carrying around a half gallon of mountain dew DOES bother me' camp. Me, I think he has the wrong solution... but he's absolutely forcing the debate on the right problem. As a nation we have to look at the insane amount of sugar we are ingesting. I don't know how to solve it but just sitting back and doing nothing while pretending the problem doesn't exist isn't any smarter than what he's doing. 'Advisories' and articles that something is bad for you have next to no effect.

Problems: Access to acceptable and healthier substitutes are limited, often times more expensive, and less convenient.

Solutions:
-Reward businesses/restaurants for offering cleaner menus.
-Create tax and loan incentives for new restaurants providing for a cleaner menu.
-Reward and provide tax incentives for those practicing a healthy lifestyle.
-Provide incentive for and support to get fresh fruits/vegetables to lower socio-economic areas.

- Long term more complicated solution, the culture and pace of life in America has to change. Instead of life becoming easier, it has become more and more difficult with work overshadowing any sort of personal time that humans require. It is next to impossible for most families to survive on a single-income which places both parents working, which means probably little-to-no home cooked meals. The food at schools is mostly deplorable and not remotely healthy. Most people drive everywhere they go due to the city planning as housing in town is difficult to come by and multi-use spaces is not rampant.

You want to know why humans do pretty much anything despite the consequences? Accessibility and ease. When you have the option of eating a 800 calories of a small fast-food combo meal that takes 10 minutes and costs 5 bucks versus spend the ...


I blame suburban sprawl and multi-hour commutes.
 
2013-03-07 04:31:04 PM  

JohnBigBootay: ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: Its hard when Seattle revolves around coffee culture... out of office work meeting? Starbucks. Socializing between meals? Coffee shop!

I avoid it as much as I can, but Starbucks or some other coffee shop is in every single grocery store. I don't drink it, so I don't bother buying anything, but avoiding them would inhibit my ability to buy other food stuffs. The smell not easy to avoid though.

Well, luckily they carry more and more juices and tea and crap these days. Me, I need a caffeine drip via IV to get through the work day.


I'm not a fan of their teas, plus I've never been a drink-your-calories person (still hungry after massive smoothies), but I rely on Narcolepsy medication to get me through the work day. Caffeine is useless to me except between waking up and the meds kicking in.
 
2013-03-07 04:32:47 PM  

the money is in the banana stand: You want to know why humans do pretty much anything despite the consequences? Accessibility and ease. When you have the option of eating a 800 calories of a small fast-food combo meal that takes 10 minutes and costs 5 bucks versus spend the time at a grocery store, cook, do the dishes, and store/heat up food - which do you choose? When you are getting home every night at 8, are you really going to go to the gym which costs money, and work out for an hour, then drive home and shower BEFORE you can even start to unwind? There is your problem.


You'll get no argument from me. I mean we are sort of talking about sugar but the fact is we have built ourselves a sort of shiatty society.
 
2013-03-07 04:33:48 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: You want to know why humans do pretty much anything despite the consequences? Accessibility and ease. When you have the option of eating a 800 calories of a small fast-food combo meal that takes 10 minutes and costs 5 bucks versus spend the ...

I blame suburban sprawl and multi-hour commutes.


That is a big part of it, but it isn't because developers are building out in the burbs and families are moving to the burbs with large commute times, but because most of the inner-city wasn't planned very well so you either have pockets of crime-ridden ghetto areas, or incredibly unaffordable "old-money" areas. The sqftage that most families can afford in town isn't enough to raise a family in, and there isn't likely to be any green-space nearby. So really, people do not have much of a choice between moving out to the suburbs or staying in town. I understand how stacking is ideal and so is building up, but really who the fark wants to live in a little apartment with a family?
 
2013-03-07 04:40:10 PM  

KrispyKritter: if i lived in NYC i might give a damn.


If it sticks, other places may try it. I don't even drink soda but I think this is a BS law, because if they manage to get people used to it, what other things will they start regulating? Size of steak or other meat cuts? Sandwiches? BEER? Basically I can totally see this being the first step in making bars/restaurants downsize everything, and you know the prices won't change because 'cost of doing business'. I don't buy a large meal out to stuff myself, I buy it so I can have leftovers later or the next day (Usually - depends on what it is and if I've eaten at all that day).

These are the things that make me drift more center, is what I'm saying.

/Stay away from my pitcher on a night out with friends
//It'll cost your hand otherwise
 
2013-03-07 04:43:55 PM  

JohnBigBootay: the money is in the banana stand: You want to know why humans do pretty much anything despite the consequences? Accessibility and ease. When you have the option of eating a 800 calories of a small fast-food combo meal that takes 10 minutes and costs 5 bucks versus spend the time at a grocery store, cook, do the dishes, and store/heat up food - which do you choose? When you are getting home every night at 8, are you really going to go to the gym which costs money, and work out for an hour, then drive home and shower BEFORE you can even start to unwind? There is your problem.

You'll get no argument from me. I mean we are sort of talking about sugar but the fact is we have built ourselves a sort of shiatty society.


Sugar, or anything else. As of late, it seems as if the only methods put forward to put society on the right track is by penalizing those whom are apparently straying from that path. While laws and penalties are necessary, I believe that you can get more people onto the right track with incentives and rewards. What ultimately ends up happening in the penalization path is that eventually those abiding by the rules get screwed over and frustrated. I work out 3 days a week and can most definitely afford to eat or drink whatever I want whenever I want, however I am treated as an irresponsible adult and denied ease of access to these substances. This is the same thing responsible gun-owners complain about. When the actions of a few spoil everything for the rest, that pisses off people. Look how amazing UNFUN flying on an airplane has gotten. Thank you TSA for I am now a suspected terrorist until my colon is searched.

Reward and incentive. That is all most people need to change their lifestyles. As a kid I tried hard in school because if I got an A, my parents would buy me new GI Joes or give me money. If instead they just punished me for NOT making an A, then I would have turned out like my freak Asian friends whose parents demanded success and in turn their kids ended up messed up and stressed out perpetually. My parents did not need to punish me for not getting an A, if I didn't, I didn't get the reward. That was punishment enough.
 
2013-03-07 04:57:11 PM  
Why did starbucks need a war with bloomberg to do that? They serve condescending, overpriced crap all the time...
 
2013-03-07 04:57:12 PM  
I just can't function in the morning until I've had my octuple shot espresso.
 
2013-03-07 05:04:40 PM  

ImpatientlyUnsympathetic: OgreMagi: wee: justtray: We dont need sugar control, we need better fatty control.

They can pry the foie gras from my cold, dead hands.

They banned it here in California.  Rat bastards.

I understand you can BYOFG to restaurants to be cooked for you, like you bring your own wine.


Yes, I know of at least one restaurant in San Clemente would do that for you.  I think it's just illegal for them to sell it.  BYOFG takes care of that for them.
 
2013-03-07 05:06:20 PM  

Endive Wombat: The Stealth Hippopotamus: They came for the smoker and I said nothing because I didn't smoke...
They came for the transfats and I said nothing because I didn't eat Oreo.
They came for the Foie gras and I kind of helped them 'cause that shiat is nasty.
Now they come for the sugary drinks

/that's a lie I've been yelling the whole time

I was with you until you got to that part.  Foie is FARKING AMAZING.  Its like meat butter.  How can you go wrong?  What is it about the foie that you do not like?


I hate liver, so I thought I would despise foie gras...and then I had some, and it was delicious.  I've seen how it's done, and I don't think it's that terrible.

Would love to see this law go to the Supreme Court...I'm pretty sure nowhere in the constitution says "you can't drink big drinks with sugar".
 
2013-03-07 05:06:21 PM  
The law doesn't ban anybody from buying anything. If you want 32 ounces of sugar water, you have every right to buy two 16-ounce cups and drink them both. I have no idea why everybody's getting their panties in a twist over this.

If you don't like the nanny state, stop acting like spoiled children.
 
2013-03-07 05:18:11 PM  

the money is in the banana stand: What ultimately ends up happening in the penalization path is that eventually those abiding by the rules get screwed over and frustrated.


You make some good points about the positive vs/negative reinforcement. I frankly don't care much about the soda ban. It ain't like you can't get the soda now. You can buy all you want. I'd feel way differently if he was trying to ban a legal product but that's not what is happening here. Me personally I'd actually like a soda now and again if places sold it in smaller amounts. Once in a  blue moon I'll see those little mini cans/bottles and I'll get one as a result but you're lucky these days to see a 16 ounce soda and even that's almost 300% larger than those 6.5 oz bottles I always had as a kid - of course that's back when the 12 oz bottle was the 'big one'. So yo buy the 'small' 20 .oz bottle end end up dumping half of it anyway after it goes flat.
 
2013-03-07 05:23:43 PM  

the money is in the banana stand: I work out 3 days a week and can most definitely afford to eat or drink whatever I want whenever I want, however I am treated as an irresponsible adult and denied ease of access to these substances. This is the same thing responsible gun-owners complain about.


Get in line with with responsible pot smokers, comrade.
 
2013-03-07 05:26:56 PM  

Endive Wombat: What is to stop retailers and coffee shops from selling two med sized sugar drinks as opposed to one extra large to the same person?

This is a feelgood law that the general populace really has no interest in, and this law will have ZERO farking impact on obesity.

Congrats NY on making businesses spend more on adapting to unnecessary, over-reaching, and ineffective government regulation.



This has always been my question.
 
2013-03-07 05:27:46 PM  

IC Stars: Yay, Nanny State!

Crime cams on every corner will soon follow.


Hey everybody - check out the deep thinker over here.
 
2013-03-07 05:36:16 PM  

Cornelius Dribble: The law doesn't ban anybody from buying anything. If you want 32 ounces of sugar water, you have every right to buy two 16-ounce cups and drink them both. I have no idea why everybody's getting their panties in a twist over this.

If you don't like the nanny state, stop acting like spoiled children.


lol

"If you don't want me to force you to behave in a manner that I find acceptable, then you should behave in a manner that I find acceptable."

I have a better idea. If I don't like the nanny state, you go fark yourself.
 
2013-03-07 05:40:50 PM  
You have to step over a lot of
 
2013-03-07 05:55:45 PM  

mama2tnt: Endive Wombat: What is to stop retailers and coffee shops from selling two med sized sugar drinks as opposed to one extra large to the same person?

This is a feelgood law that the general populace really has no interest in, and this law will have ZERO farking impact on obesity.

Congrats NY on making businesses spend more on adapting to unnecessary, over-reaching, and ineffective government regulation.


This has always been my question.


I read another article that said some movie theaters were planning on doing this exact thing..."buy one medium drink, get the second for half-off" or some such thing..it was essentially going to work out to the same price as one large drink basically...
 
wee
2013-03-07 06:03:15 PM  

gja: Ahhhh, but his sarcasm WAS trolling. And to his credit he got bites! Well played by Wee. Well played indeed.


The parallel seemed funny to me, to be completely honest...
 
2013-03-07 06:03:38 PM  

wee: justtray: Drinks dont kill people, fatties do.

I just don't know what kind of country we live in where any kid, no matter how old, can walk up to any one of throusands of stores in New York alone, and buy the exact same types of beverages that we sell to our military forces -- and in the same, high-capacity capacity cups!  No waiting period to think about whether this is good for them, no ID check, no questions about obesity or diabetes, the kids just hand their money over and these merchants of death happily give them what they want, in any capacity they want.  No questions asked. What they're doing to our children is unconscionable.
 You never see hunters carrying huge, over-sized Big Gulp cups, do you?  That's because nobody needs more than 16 ounces of soda, and if they do, then they can just buy two.  And a benefit there is the added time and effort in refilling the smaller cup will make them drink soda slower, and therefore kill themselves slower.


We're killing our children by the thousands in this country, every day, and I salute Mayor Bloomberg for finally standing up against Big Soda, as well as the American Beverage Association and their big-money lobbists, and doing something about this rampant problem.


It's like a kinder, gentler [favorite Fark troll].
 
2013-03-07 06:13:54 PM  
Someone needs to ask Bloomberg point blank if he's so concerned about people's health and well being why he's done exactly jack and shiat about all the people living in slums in New York City. There are buildings that have a long string of code violations and tenant complaints and yet the city won't lift a finger.
 
2013-03-07 06:28:09 PM  

umad: Cornelius Dribble: The law doesn't ban anybody from buying anything. If you want 32 ounces of sugar water, you have every right to buy two 16-ounce cups and drink them both. I have no idea why everybody's getting their panties in a twist over this.

If you don't like the nanny state, stop acting like spoiled children.

lol

"If you don't want me to force you to behave in a manner that I find acceptable, then you should behave in a manner that I find acceptable."

I have a better idea. If I don't like the nanny state, you go fark yourself.


Thank you for proving my point.
 
2013-03-07 06:40:35 PM  

Charles_Nelson_Reilly: JohnBigBootaywe have a fat problem in this country...What about rules that would force ..."

Laws and regulations are too important, too powerful, to waste on trying to solve problems that people are free to solve for themselves. "I see a problem, so there ought to be a law" is a wrong-headed knee-jerk reaction.


I rather agree, but this brings the question.. why do we let wrong-headed jerks into office?
 
2013-03-07 06:53:32 PM  

magu2k: Charles_Nelson_Reilly: JohnBigBootaywe have a fat problem in this country...What about rules that would force ..."

Laws and regulations are too important, too powerful, to waste on trying to solve problems that people are free to solve for themselves. "I see a problem, so there ought to be a law" is a wrong-headed knee-jerk reaction.

I rather agree, but this brings the question.. why do we let wrong-headed jerks into office?


Rich people are so dreamy.
 
2013-03-07 08:00:18 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Someone needs to ask Bloomberg point blank if he's so concerned about people's health and well being why he's done exactly jack and shiat about all the people living in slums in New York City. There are buildings that have a long string of code violations and tenant complaints and yet the city won't lift a finger.


It's always been easier in politics to make "feel good" decisions instead of actually addressing the social roots behind the issues they're trying to address.. It would have taken political effort to take action against some of his biggest donors...so soda got targeted instead.
 
2013-03-07 08:26:27 PM  
crap.. i find myself impressed with starbucks over something.
 
2013-03-07 09:07:57 PM  
SilentStrider: crap.. i find myself impressed with starbucks over something.


I never understood the whole hate for Starbucks. It's like lumped in there with Walmart or McDonalds.  Those places have a better argument for the hate.

Fact is it brought in the small coffee hangout place model for a lot of small towns to medium size cities.  The coffee isn't great but it's okay.  Whatever.  And if the small town doesn't have Starbucks, it probably has some copy-cat place which probably serves better stuff.  Prior to, a lot of towns and cities just had diners if you wanted a cup (or the gas station).
 
2013-03-07 09:09:29 PM  

Endive Wombat: What is to stop retailers and coffee shops from selling two med sized sugar drinks as opposed to one extra large to the same person?


The person.
 
2013-03-07 09:15:16 PM  

Great Janitor: Doesn't New York City have enough problems right now that need to be addressed long before the subject of sugary drinks is addressed?


That's what Bloomberg is counting on.
 
2013-03-07 09:16:02 PM  

delsydsoftware: Sadly, Starbucks really does need to reduce sugar. I think they have been bumping up sugar in their frappuchinos over the past 5 years. They no longer resemble iced coffee...it's just syrupy shiat.


I wonder why they would do that?
 
2013-03-07 09:17:23 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: No sugar packets. You must go to another store for that if, you have a prescription authorized by your insurance company. It's the only way we can be safe.


And we need your ID to enter into a database so your monthly sugar purchases can be tracked.
 
2013-03-07 09:23:00 PM  
JohnBigBootay:

I just want the option to buy less sometimes and not have to throw a bunch of food away that i paid good money for.

Are there no homeless people in sight?  I carted the leftovers from my wedding to a shelter. It felt good, better than the Swedish meatballs made me feel.
 
2013-03-07 09:28:24 PM  

justtray: Fatties dont obey diets, so there's no point forcing them to diet. Unless we can force them to not be fat, there's no point restricting their access to sugar.


If North Carolina can control what people buy with food stamps, the problem is solved.  Just put everyone on food stamps and forbid food transactions with anything else.
 
2013-03-07 09:33:59 PM  

Cornelius Dribble: The law doesn't ban anybody from buying anything. If you want 32 ounces of sugar water, you have every right to buy two 16-ounce cups and drink them both. I have no idea why everybody's getting their panties in a twist over this.

If you don't like the nanny state, stop acting like spoiled children.


Large drinks are still available at 7-11, other convenience stores, supermarkets, and other outlets that are regulated by the State.  Bloomberg's regulation affects mainly small, local businesses... and that's racist, according to the NAACP.
 
2013-03-07 09:39:09 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Someone needs to ask Bloomberg point blank if he's so concerned about people's health and well being why he's done exactly jack and shiat about all the people living in slums in New York City. There are buildings that have a long string of code violations and tenant complaints and yet the city won't lift a finger.


"When you have your health, you have everything."  So STFU.
 
2013-03-07 11:00:21 PM  

SirEattonHogg: SilentStrider: crap.. i find myself impressed with starbucks over something.


I never understood the whole hate for Starbucks. It's like lumped in there with Walmart or McDonalds.  Those places have a better argument for the hate.

Fact is it brought in the small coffee hangout place model for a lot of small towns to medium size cities.  The coffee isn't great but it's okay.  Whatever.  And if the small town doesn't have Starbucks, it probably has some copy-cat place which probably serves better stuff.  Prior to, a lot of towns and cities just had diners if you wanted a cup (or the gas station).


So who do I thank for bringing the roadside coffee stand with the hot baristas' in halter tops in the middle of winter into the mainstream?

/Cause...thanks!
 
2013-03-07 11:01:40 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: JohnBigBootay:

I just want the option to buy less sometimes and not have to throw a bunch of food away that i paid good money for.

Are there no homeless people in sight?  I carted the leftovers from my wedding to a shelter. It felt good, better than the Swedish meatballs made me feel.


Speaking as a (non-food) small business owner, I imagine that a lot of the reason they don't do that is the extra difficulty of factoring in a second menu of prices. My accountant friend brought me to one of her classes for a presentation, and another student had been working with a small restaurant owner and from what he said, many of them are absolutely TERRIBLE at tracking costs and general accounting/inventory. He literally had to build his partner a quick and dirty Excel spreadsheet that would do it for him; it was extremely basic but much better than the mountains of receipt tape he'd gone through to do it.

Sooo rambling aside, I'm guessing that's most of the reason they don't have such options. That and size of meal per dollar matters more to a lot of people than quality, which is sad.
 
2013-03-07 11:38:18 PM  

SirEattonHogg: I never understood the whole hate for Starbucks. It's like lumped in there with Walmart or McDonalds. Those places have a better argument for the hate.


My biggest problem with Starbucks is that their coffee is, in my opinion, terrible.
 
2013-03-08 12:36:31 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: Cornelius Dribble: The law doesn't ban anybody from buying anything. If you want 32 ounces of sugar water, you have every right to buy two 16-ounce cups and drink them both. I have no idea why everybody's getting their panties in a twist over this.

If you don't like the nanny state, stop acting like spoiled children.

Large drinks are still available at 7-11, other convenience stores, supermarkets, and other outlets that are regulated by the State.  Bloomberg's regulation affects mainly small, local businesses... and that's racist, according to the NAACP.


If true (and I'll take your word for it unless somebody corrects you), that is a legitimate complaint. It would fall in line with my main complaint about Bloomberg, which is that, as you might assume from somebody who made billions in high finance, he's overly biased in favor of large corporate interests. See Times Square, Coney Island, his centralized, teach-to-the-test education platform, and his plan (thankfully nixed by City Council) to plaster advertisements all through Central Park.

Even so, if the city government had the power to enforce this restriction universally, this objection wouldn't hold.
 
2013-03-08 12:43:04 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: "When you have your health, you have everything." So STFU.


Slums are not healthy places to live. Those buildings with an dozens of code violations are public health disasters.
 
2013-03-08 02:33:38 AM  
Simpsons did it!
 
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