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(Sportige)   Since reforming and re-entering the NFL in 1999, the Cleveland Browns have had 18 different starting quarterbacks. None of them have a winning record with the team   (sportige.com) divider line 84
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2013-03-07 11:20:48 AM  
Spergon Wynn was a great pick and I thank the Browns for selecting him.
 
2013-03-07 11:30:55 AM  
Obligatory:

www.sportsgrid.com
 
2013-03-07 11:35:03 AM  
"Factory of Sadness"
 
2013-03-07 11:42:15 AM  
It's always been a bit surprising to me that the Browns have been so god-awful since they came back into the league, particularly since the Ravens (i.e. the old Browns) have probably been one of the best franchises in the league over that same period.  I don't recall the Ravens ever having a really putrid season since 1999 -- they've missed the playoffs, sure, but I don't think they've ever had a 2 or 3 win shiatbomb of a season.
 
2013-03-07 11:52:29 AM  

jake_lex: It's always been a bit surprising to me that the Browns have been so god-awful since they came back into the league, particularly since the Ravens (i.e. the old Browns) have probably been one of the best franchises in the league over that same period.


The..."Ravens," you say? Hm. Not familiar.

How'd they do this year?
 
2013-03-07 11:55:36 AM  
How many different coaches?
 
2013-03-07 11:59:57 AM  

jake_lex: It's always been a bit surprising to me that the Browns have been so god-awful since they came back into the league, particularly since the Ravens (i.e. the old Browns) have probably been one of the best franchises in the league over that same period.  I don't recall the Ravens ever having a really putrid season since 1999 -- they've missed the playoffs, sure, but I don't think they've ever had a 2 or 3 win shiatbomb of a season.


'96 - 4-12
'97 - 6-9-1
'98 - 6-10
'99 - 8-8
'00 - 12-4
'01 - 10-6
'02 - 7-9
'03 - 10-6
'04 - 9-7
'05 - 6-10
'06 - 13-3
'07 - 5-11
'08 - 11-5
'09 - 9-7
'10 - 12-4
'11 - 12-4
'12 - 10-6
 
2013-03-07 12:17:45 PM  
A sad state of affairs to a once great sports team.
 
2013-03-07 12:20:33 PM  
Did the "Obvious" tag jump from the I-80 bridge?
 
2013-03-07 01:02:41 PM  

MaxxLarge: jake_lex: It's always been a bit surprising to me that the Browns have been so god-awful since they came back into the league, particularly since the Ravens (i.e. the old Browns) have probably been one of the best franchises in the league over that same period.

The..."Ravens," you say? Hm. Not familiar.

How'd they do this year?


They won some contest having to do with exceptional nocturnal binocular avians.
 
2013-03-07 01:02:48 PM  
He may not have had a winning record, but when you have a chance to start the record holder for longest pass in a Super Bowl, you take that chance!
 
2013-03-07 01:09:22 PM  

CavalierEternal: Did the "Obvious" tag jump from the I-80 bridge?


It set itself on fire and jumped in the river, which set the river on fire.
 
2013-03-07 01:12:09 PM  
Still working on this (going through pro-football-reference for the data)....

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnZarJcITa1JdGYwZE5ITjV WT W1Bazd5dGxkVTRuY3c&usp=sharing

Going by the theme of this article, it is all 32 teams... how many QBs that have started since 1999, how many have been over .500, and their best QBs by win % and # of wins.

Will comment about the full list once I have it up there.
 
2013-03-07 01:16:39 PM  
None of them have has a winning record...

Singular indefinite pronoun
/pet peeve

enjoytherandom.com
 
2013-03-07 01:19:41 PM  
Jesus christ! We were sitting quietly, not bothering anyone. It's even the off season, for god's sake.
And for some reason you just had to come up and kick us squarely in the nuts. Hey! How about a 10,000 word retrospective on John Elway and "the drive" while you're at it.

fark everone
 
2013-03-07 01:21:33 PM  

doubled99: Jesus christ! We were sitting quietly, not bothering anyone. It's even the off season, for god's sake.
And for some reason you just had to come up and kick us squarely in the nuts. Hey! How about a 10,000 word retrospective on John Elway and "the drive" while you're at it.

fark everone


/it's hard to be a Raiders fan
 
2013-03-07 01:23:09 PM  

dletter: Still working on this (going through pro-football-reference for the data)....

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnZarJcITa1JdGYwZE5ITjV WT W1Bazd5dGxkVTRuY3c&usp=sharing

Going by the theme of this article, it is all 32 teams... how many QBs that have started since 1999, how many have been over .500, and their best QBs by win % and # of wins.

Will comment about the full list once I have it up there.


Chicago: 17 starting QBs since 1999, 9 of whom have winning records. Testament to the defense and special teams during that era more than anything.
 
2013-03-07 01:37:14 PM  

Jubeebee: dletter: Still working on this (going through pro-football-reference for the data)....

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnZarJcITa1JdGYwZE5ITjV WT W1Bazd5dGxkVTRuY3c&usp=sharing

Going by the theme of this article, it is all 32 teams... how many QBs that have started since 1999, how many have been over .500, and their best QBs by win % and # of wins.

Will comment about the full list once I have it up there.

Chicago: 17 starting QBs since 1999, 9 of whom have winning records. Testament to the defense and special teams during that era more than anything.


Agreed, I'd say the same thing to an extent about Baltimore.
 
2013-03-07 01:40:23 PM  
weak

The last QB drafted by the KC chiefs to have won a game for them was in 1987.

try and top that (no wait...don't do that)
 
2013-03-07 01:44:32 PM  
It's not news. It's Cleveland's farked.com
 
2013-03-07 01:48:49 PM  
That city is a dump.
 
2013-03-07 01:51:43 PM  

basemetal: doubled99: Jesus christ! We were sitting quietly, not bothering anyone. It's even the off season, for god's sake.
And for some reason you just had to come up and kick us squarely in the nuts. Hey! How about a 10,000 word retrospective on John Elway and "the drive" while you're at it.

fark everone

/it's hard to be a Raiders Rams fan


Also applicable....
 
2013-03-07 01:59:18 PM  
in some places, they call that quality control.
 
2013-03-07 01:59:24 PM  
What are you talking about, subby? The Browns just won the Super Bowl.
 
2013-03-07 02:02:47 PM  

rtaylor92: weak

The last QB drafted by the KC chiefs to have won a game for them was in 1987.

try and top that (no wait...don't do that)


Just 1 game? 1987? Jesus man.
 
2013-03-07 02:12:15 PM  

skinink: What are you talking about, subby? The Browns just won the Super Bowl.


BOOOO!

/still pissed
 
2013-03-07 02:14:47 PM  
I swear Fark has an award named for one noteworthy Browns QB. If only I could think of the name so debate could rage over the qualifications for said award...
 
2013-03-07 02:18:39 PM  

This Looks Fun: rtaylor92: weak

The last QB drafted by the KC chiefs to have won a game for them was in 1987.

try and top that (no wait...don't do that)

Just 1 game? 1987? Jesus man.


Well, that just means they've traded for their QBs, some of which were not too bad, so, that isn't necessarily "bad".... just means you didn't try to draft for your QBs, you traded for them.   Now, you can argue how we'll they've done with that... and considering it is all but a done deal with Alex Smith coming to KC, that trend continues.
 
2013-03-07 02:20:26 PM  
So clearly the Browns struggles are due to poor quarterbacks.
Not poor management.
Not poor ownership.
Poor quarterbacks.

/snerk
 
2013-03-07 02:29:06 PM  
i47.tinypic.com
 
2013-03-07 02:38:10 PM  

GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: I swear Fark has an award named for one noteworthy Browns QB. If only I could think of the name so debate could rage over the qualifications for said award...


The Delhomme, though Jake the Snake will always be a Panther to me.

jake_lex: It's always been a bit surprising to me that the Browns have been so god-awful since they came back into the league, particularly since the Ravens (i.e. the old Browns) have probably been one of the best franchises in the league over that same period.  I don't recall the Ravens ever having a really putrid season since 1999 -- they've missed the playoffs, sure, but I don't think they've ever had a 2 or 3 win shiatbomb of a season.


The 5-11 season in 2007 was about as shiatbomby as things get - started the season 4-2, then lost 9 of 10 (including 4 at home, losing in consecutive weeks at home twice in 5 weeks) to close the season. McNair looked lost, Billick was unable to get anything going, and he and Fassel took the rap.

Of course, what happened AFTER that made us all forget that season, but now Billick is a pretty good analyst for NFLN. So I'd say everybody won.

// except Cleve-town
// I also recall that the 2005 season was memorable for the fact that Baltimore melted down in like 5 straight games (including one where a player got ejected for shoving a ref while arguing a call)
 
2013-03-07 02:39:09 PM  
Well, the Browns may be a Factory of Sadness but at least Cleveland has Howard the Duck and the Drew Cary Show.
 
2013-03-07 02:43:54 PM  

doubled99: Jesus christ! We were sitting quietly, not bothering anyone. It's even the off season, for god's sake.
And for some reason you just had to come up and kick us squarely in the nuts. Hey! How about a 10,000 word retrospective on John Elway and "the drive" while you're at it.

fark everone


Hey, how about that shot Jordan took, huh? That was awesome.
 
2013-03-07 02:46:42 PM  

CavalierEternal: Did the "Obvious" tag jump from the I-80 bridge?


It intentionally missed the 90 degree turn on I-90 and hit the wall at full speed.

/and... I'mma let you finish, but the Bears have had the most checkered QB history of all time
//of ALL TIME
///when MNF won't let your game against GB continue without listing the names of the QBs you've trotted out since Favre's first start, let us know
 
2013-03-07 02:52:06 PM  

Dr Dreidel: GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: I swear Fark has an award named for one noteworthy Browns QB. If only I could think of the name so debate could rage over the qualifications for said award...

The Delhomme, though Jake the Snake will always be a Panther to me.

jake_lex: It's always been a bit surprising to me that the Browns have been so god-awful since they came back into the league, particularly since the Ravens (i.e. the old Browns) have probably been one of the best franchises in the league over that same period.  I don't recall the Ravens ever having a really putrid season since 1999 -- they've missed the playoffs, sure, but I don't think they've ever had a 2 or 3 win shiatbomb of a season.

The 5-11 season in 2007 was about as shiatbomby as things get - started the season 4-2, then lost 9 of 10 (including 4 at home, losing in consecutive weeks at home twice in 5 weeks) to close the season. McNair looked lost, Billick was unable to get anything going, and he and Fassel took the rap.

Of course, what happened AFTER that made us all forget that season, but now Billick is a pretty good analyst for NFLN. So I'd say everybody won.

// except Cleve-town
// I also recall that the 2005 season was memorable for the fact that Baltimore melted down in like 5 straight games (including one where a player got ejected for shoving a ref while arguing a call)


Apparently 2 got ejected then. I was in law school and missed a few games in that dreadful season. Had to look it up.
 
2013-03-07 02:53:53 PM  

lifeboat: doubled99: Jesus christ! We were sitting quietly, not bothering anyone. It's even the off season, for god's sake.
And for some reason you just had to come up and kick us squarely in the nuts. Hey! How about a 10,000 word retrospective on John Elway and "the drive" while you're at it.

fark everone

Hey, how about that shot Jordan took, huh? That was awesome.


I hear this "James" fellow in Miami is pretty good at the basketball too.
 
2013-03-07 02:55:47 PM  

germ78: CavalierEternal: Did the "Obvious" tag jump from the I-80 bridge?

It intentionally missed the 90 degree turn on I-90 and hit the wall at full speed.

/and... I'mma let you finish, but the Bears have had the most checkered QB history of all time
//of ALL TIME
///when MNF won't let your game against GB continue without listing the names of the QBs you've trotted out since Favre's first start, let us know


The Dolphins have had the same number of starting QBs since 2000.
 
2013-03-07 02:56:02 PM  
The Ravens have six losing seasons, and 2 Superbowl championships.  The Steelers have 32 losing seasons, and 6 Superbowl championships.   The Browns have 22 losing seasons, and 8 championships (all pre-super bowl era).   The Cincinnati Bengals have 22 losing seasons, and zero championships.

The Steelers have the most losing seasons in their division, and the Browns (still) have the most championships overall--although none are Superbowls.

The Steelers fans had to wait 34 years for their first championship, and the Ravens got theirs in 5 years.   The Browns fans remember the glories of long long ago, and the Bengals fans get a lot of yardwork done on Sundays.
 
2013-03-07 02:59:31 PM  

Rhypskallion: the Bengals fans get a lot of yardwork done on Sundays.


So do the Bengals players. The wardens see to that.
 
2013-03-07 03:10:52 PM  

dletter: Still working on this (going through pro-football-reference for the data)....

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnZarJcITa1JdGYwZE5ITjV WT W1Bazd5dGxkVTRuY3c&usp=sharing

Going by the theme of this article, it is all 32 teams... how many QBs that have started since 1999, how many have been over .500, and their best QBs by win % and # of wins.

Will comment about the full list once I have it up there.


OK, it is "in the books" now.

Made 2 different sorts other than alphabetical...

My observations....
* The Packers have had two QBs with more wins each since 1999 than any QBs for 18 other teams.
* Arizona also hasn't had any QBs with over .500 (regular season) winning pct's since 1999 (although having one of them get your team to the playoffs twice and being 1 minute away from a Super Bowl win will elevate you a tad over Cleveland)
* Washington and Detroit are both below Cleveland in least number of wins by your best QB since 1999.
* Baltimore is the only team with 10 QBs since 1999 with a record of .500 or better
* Looking at the sort by most wins by QB since 1999... almost all of those teams at the top have those QBs still in place now... and most of the ones who don't have QBs that look good going forward (Indy, GB, Seattle).. only question marks being Philly and Tenneesee
 
2013-03-07 03:11:07 PM  
Well, what do you expect when your team's name is the same as the word used to describe the color of shiat...
 
2013-03-07 03:11:26 PM  

Deneb81: lifeboat: doubled99: Jesus christ! We were sitting quietly, not bothering anyone. It's even the off season, for god's sake.
And for some reason you just had to come up and kick us squarely in the nuts. Hey! How about a 10,000 word retrospective on John Elway and "the drive" while you're at it.

fark everone

Hey, how about that shot Jordan took, huh? That was awesome.

I hear this "James" fellow in Miami is pretty good at the basketball too.


How 'bout that Tribe, eh?
 
2013-03-07 03:11:51 PM  

Deneb81: // I also recall that the 2005 season was memorable for the fact that Baltimore melted down in like 5 straight games (including one where a player got ejected for shoving a ref while arguing a call)

Apparently 2 got ejected then. I was in law school and missed a few games in that dreadful season. Had to look it up.


I actually blame that crap on Rex Ryan, he was really fueling the US (Ravens D) vs THEM (Ravens O) crap that divided the locker room.    He should have been fired then, but their D superstar (Ray Lewis) really liked him and backed him as a HC candidate.    Billick was somewhat castrated by Ryan's power.     Hiring Harbaugh was a good move--but I'm not sure Billick would have done worse with Flacco and Rice over the past five years.
 
2013-03-07 03:14:16 PM  

Rhypskallion: The Steelers fans had to wait 34 years for their first championship, and the Ravens got theirs in 5 years.


Meh, the Ravens have been artound since '44, considering that they were the entire Browns organization with a new name. It's not like they started a team from scratch (Arizona Diamondbacks) and won a championship in 3 years...
 
2013-03-07 03:16:34 PM  

Mikey1969: Meh, the Ravens have been artound since '44, considering that they were the entire Browns organization with a new name


No.
 
2013-03-07 03:17:05 PM  

jake_lex: It's always been a bit surprising to me that the Browns have been so god-awful since they came back into the league, particularly since the Ravens (i.e. the old Browns) have probably been one of the best franchises in the league over that same period.  I don't recall the Ravens ever having a really putrid season since 1999 -- they've missed the playoffs, sure, but I don't think they've ever had a 2 or 3 win shiatbomb of a season.


The Ravens were smart in building their line as their very first priority... even before getting a QB.... by nabbing Jonathan Ogden to cement the left tackle position.

The Browns on the other hand, grabbed Couch...   He had a horrible offensive line, and was battered.   I think he could have been a winner if he played behind a better line...  I always liked the guy, and feel bad for how it all shook out for him.
 
2013-03-07 03:19:03 PM  

Rhypskallion: Deneb81: // I also recall that the 2005 season was memorable for the fact that Baltimore melted down in like 5 straight games (including one where a player got ejected for shoving a ref while arguing a call)

Apparently 2 got ejected then. I was in law school and missed a few games in that dreadful season. Had to look it up.

I actually blame that crap on Rex Ryan, he was really fueling the US (Ravens D) vs THEM (Ravens O) crap that divided the locker room.    He should have been fired then, but their D superstar (Ray Lewis) really liked him and backed him as a HC candidate.    Billick was somewhat castrated by Ryan's power.     Hiring Harbaugh was a good move--but I'm not sure Billick would have done worse with Flacco and Rice over the past five years.


I'm not sure billick would have had a hand in drafting either player.

I also think he had lost the team's respect and let Ryan get as far as he did.

For ill or gain, Harbaugh runs his ship. And he has changed the image and make-up of the team for the better - people with talent but who don't motor 100% don't play. Look at McKinnie's season this year...
 
2013-03-07 03:21:23 PM  

germ78: CavalierEternal: Did the "Obvious" tag jump from the I-80 bridge?

It intentionally missed the 90 degree turn on I-90 and hit the wall at full speed.

/and... I'mma let you finish, but the Bears have had the most checkered QB history of all time
//of ALL TIME
///when MNF won't let your game against GB continue without listing the names of the QBs you've trotted out since Favre's first start, let us know


At least the Bears had Sid Luckman once upon a time. The Chiefs have never in their 50 year history had a decent QB. Used Up Joe Montana is the best we've ever seen, and he was Used Up.
 
2013-03-07 03:28:38 PM  
As a cardinals fan, I'm totally not surprised by any of this.  Outside of two seasons we've been stinking it up since I was born.
As a bucs fan, I'm shocked that we're at 50%, I would have guessed a good bit lower.  I can't even remember the name of all the bums who've started for us since our defense won the super bowl.
 
2013-03-07 03:32:32 PM  

CavalierEternal: Mikey1969: Meh, the Ravens have been artound since '44, considering that they were the entire Browns organization with a new name

No.


You just keep yanking it and convincing yourself that the Ravens aren't just Cleveland's leftovers.
 
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