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2013-03-07 11:51:22 AM  
I think this is actually a good idea.

Belichick is an innovative coach, who has a knack for getting the most out of players. Plus, Brady is a HOF QB who isn't going anywhere, and there would be zero QB controversy.

Removing all possibility of Tebow ever being a starting QB and having a coach who would be willing to play him as a RB, TE, or FB might make him switch roles in his own head. I think he could get more playing time, and the Pats would get a solid role player. It could really be a win-win.

Especially when you consider that any other team is going to want him to be a #3 QB, he'll always be clubhouse poison, and let's be honest: he'll never play, because he's a terrible QB. They'll bring him solely to stir up news and jerseys sales from the Jesus Brigade.
 
2013-03-07 12:32:51 PM  
This would be consistent with Bill Belichick's policy of trolling the rest of the league
 
2013-03-07 12:35:21 PM  
Hahahaha.

At first I thought the headline meant that Giselle was taking her Stage Mom act elsewhere.

This is even better.

/New England does NOT want Tebow's attitude
 
2013-03-07 12:35:44 PM  
Imagine if Tebow converts Brady and Gisele to Evangelical Christianity.  They would be the most insufferable QB pair in the history of football.
 
2013-03-07 12:36:48 PM  

Tellurium: This would be consistent with Bill Belichick's policy of trolling the rest of the league


Can he play in the secondary? Can he run solid routes and catch passes like Wes Welker? Can he play special teams?

If not, he won't play and the Pats won't take him. He would be a waste of a roster spot.

Hint: No, No, and No
 
2013-03-07 12:39:13 PM  

Deneb81: If not, he won't play and the Pats won't take him


Why not? Chad Johnson couldn't do any of that and they took him anyway. Albert Haynesworth too.

Belichick isn't the genius he's made out to be.
 
2013-03-07 12:40:27 PM  
In a word, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.....

His jesus-ey ways will help him down south. Up here he will be crucified..

/yep. I intended that.
 
2013-03-07 12:41:12 PM  
I'm not so sure Brady is a 100% lock for a complete season this year.  He'shiatting the age where sudden retirements happen.
 
2013-03-07 12:42:11 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Deneb81: If not, he won't play and the Pats won't take him

Why not? Chad Johnson couldn't do any of that and they took him anyway. Albert Haynesworth too.

Belichick isn't the genius he's made out to be.


They at least had a history of being successful at their respective positions. They were risks in the sense of degraded potential, not in the sense of 'has never shown any potential'.
 
2013-03-07 12:42:52 PM  
If this doesn't bring Tebow down to Earth, nothing will. New England is the new Oakland in the way it takes egoriffic players and grinds them down to nubs.
 
2013-03-07 12:43:58 PM  
I'm working on a line of of NFL clip boards, endorsed by Tim Tebow, Brady Quinn, Nick Foles and Alex Smith.

/patent pending
 
2013-03-07 12:46:31 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Belichick isn't the genius he's made out to be.


As a Pats fan; this.

He's still a tremendous coach, but he either trusts his assistants too much, or just lost...something...over the past few years since there's been some big games where they fell short thanks to some really stupid oversights.

I still demand an explanation why in the most recent SB loss, when the Giants were still bracketing a clearly-hobbled Gronkowski, leaving Chad Johnson in single coverage against a f*cking nickel corner (the few times he was even on the field), why they didn't take at least one deep shot to him in the second half. There is no doghouse deep enough where you can't pull someone out if it and tell him "run a go route, and who cares if you drop it; we need SOMETHING to happen here to make them think."
 
2013-03-07 12:48:45 PM  
FTA: "But here's the catch, Timothy Richard. Tell Belichick you are going to be his slash..."

Tim Tebow slash fiction?
 
2013-03-07 12:52:31 PM  

Killer Cars: cameroncrazy1984: Belichick isn't the genius he's made out to be.

As a Pats fan; this.

He's still a tremendous coach, but he either trusts his assistants too much, or just lost...something...over the past few years since there's been some big games where they fell short thanks to some really stupid oversights.

I still demand an explanation why in the most recent SB loss, when the Giants were still bracketing a clearly-hobbled Gronkowski, leaving Chad Johnson in single coverage against a f*cking nickel corner (the few times he was even on the field), why they didn't take at least one deep shot to him in the second half. There is no doghouse deep enough where you can't pull someone out if it and tell him "run a go route, and who cares if you drop it; we need SOMETHING to happen here to make them think."


I think maybe be thought that running a go route with an old, slow receiver and telling your older QB who doesn't have the arm or touch he used to for deep throws to chuck it to him was a bad idea?
 
2013-03-07 12:54:32 PM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: I'm not so sure Brady is a 100% lock for a complete season this year.  He'shiatting the age where sudden retirements happen.



Are you sure?


"On February 25, 2013, Brady and the Patriots agreed on a three-year contract extension, which will keep him with the team through 2017.Peter King called it an "amazing" deal, as Brady took just $27 million in new money over the 2015, 2016, and 2017 seasons, and also noted that it reflected Patriots owner Robert Kraft's desire to make sure Brady retired a Patriot."    (Source)
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2013-03-07 01:00:40 PM  

Deneb81: I think maybe be thought that running a go route with an old, slow receiver and telling your older QB who doesn't have the arm or touch he used to for deep throws to chuck it to him was a bad idea?


Brady still has a good deep arm and for all of Ocho's...um...difficulties, speed wasn't one of them. He still had greater straight-line speed than Welker, for instance.
 
2013-03-07 01:12:50 PM  

aevorea: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: I'm not so sure Brady is a 100% lock for a complete season this year.  He'shiatting the age where sudden retirements happen.


Are you sure?


"On February 25, 2013, Brady and the Patriots agreed on a three-year contract extension, which will keep him with the team through 2017.Peter King called it an "amazing" deal, as Brady took just $27 million in new money over the 2015, 2016, and 2017 seasons, and also noted that it reflected Patriots owner Robert Kraft's desire to make sure Brady retired a Patriot."    (Source)
<a data-cke-saved-href="<a href=" href="<a href=" http:="" en.wikipedia.org="" wiki="" robert_kraft"="" target="_blank">


Yeah, I mean more a la Joe Thiesman.
 
2013-03-07 01:23:19 PM  
Man, it seems everything written about Tebow has the same attitude as Tebow.  This hypothetical move is blatantly intended to help Tebow more than the Patriots; why would they bother?

Let me be clear here; I don't think Tebow's "attitude" is a sense of entitlement, per se.  Of all the people complaining about his treatment, I really haven't heard the man himself complain about the way things are.  He says he's working and maybe he is, but where are the results?  You don't get graded on effort in the NFL.  It's clear he's still looking for direction when he's at an age and a job that requires men to think for themselves.  You can't be the focal point of an NFL offense and still be a mamma's boy.

I'm not a huge Belichick fan, but I'm pretty sure any odds of New England taking Tebow would hinge on the coach saying, "Show me."  Which is why it ain't gonna happen.  It was amusing to see someone's audacious enough to suggest it, though.
 
2013-03-07 01:32:05 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Deneb81: If not, he won't play and the Pats won't take him

Why not? Chad Johnson couldn't do any of that and they took him anyway. Albert Haynesworth too.

Belichick isn't the genius he's made out to be.


The key is that he picked each of those guys up for the league minimum salary. That they didn't work out didn't hurt the team at all.
 
2013-03-07 01:42:49 PM  

Deneb81: cameroncrazy1984: Deneb81: If not, he won't play and the Pats won't take him

Why not? Chad Johnson couldn't do any of that and they took him anyway. Albert Haynesworth too.

Belichick isn't the genius he's made out to be.

They at least had a history of being successful at their respective positions. They were risks in the sense of degraded potential, not in the sense of 'has never shown any potential'.


Not only that, but Haynesworth was released 6 weeks into the season and Ocho's lasted one year. Neither players cost much financially or in draft picks.
 
2013-03-07 01:50:59 PM  

Killer Cars: cameroncrazy1984: Belichick isn't the genius he's made out to be.

As a Pats fan; this.

He's still a tremendous coach, but he either trusts his assistants too much, or just lost...something...over the past few years since there's been some big games where they fell short thanks to some really stupid oversights.



Agreed. It's not the TapeGate situation that's been the impetus of no Super Bowls. They lost both Charlie Weis and Roman Crennel, and that's what was guiding the Pats the three-in-four years.
 
2013-03-07 01:59:36 PM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: I'm not so sure Brady is a 100% lock for a complete season this year.  He'shiatting the age where sudden retirements happen.


This may be the best filter-pwn I've ever seen.
 
2013-03-07 03:01:02 PM  

whistleridge: I think this is actually a good idea.

Belichick is an innovative coach, who has a knack for getting the most out of players. Plus, Brady is a HOF QB who isn't going anywhere, and there would be zero QB controversy.

Removing all possibility of Tebow ever being a starting QB and having a coach who would be willing to play him as a RB, TE, or FB might make him switch roles in his own head. I think he could get more playing time, and the Pats would get a solid role player. It could really be a win-win.

Especially when you consider that any other team is going to want him to be a #3 QB, he'll always be clubhouse poison, and let's be honest: he'll never play, because he's a terrible QB. They'll bring him solely to stir up news and jerseys sales from the Jesus Brigade.


just have him play the role that Crumpler did back in 2010 as fullback and have him catch short lobs from Brady all day
 
2013-03-07 03:03:12 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: Killer Cars: cameroncrazy1984: Belichick isn't the genius he's made out to be.

As a Pats fan; this.

He's still a tremendous coach, but he either trusts his assistants too much, or just lost...something...over the past few years since there's been some big games where they fell short thanks to some really stupid oversights.

Agreed. It's not the TapeGate situation that's been the impetus of no Super Bowls. They lost both Charlie Weis and Roman Crennel, and that's what was guiding the Pats the three-in-four years.


i always feel like people forget the Patriots are 8 points away from being 5-0 in the super bowl since 2001, whatever effect tapegate had is pathetically tiny
 
2013-03-07 03:03:55 PM  
*edit: 7 points
 
2013-03-07 03:04:18 PM  
Yeah, I'm sure Tom Brady will be excited about having a guy who wants to be the starting quarterback blocking for him in the backfield.
 
2013-03-07 03:09:24 PM  
Nobody in the NFL loves and respects you more than Josh McDaniels.  That's why the Patriots offensive coordinator (and formerBroncos coach) plucked you in the first round in 2010.

And trust me,  McDaniels feels fine about you losing his job for him, Tim.  No hard feelings whatsoever.  Didn't learn a thing.
 
2013-03-07 03:34:06 PM  

lilbjorn: Nobody in the NFL loves and respects you more than Josh McDaniels.  That's why the Patriots offensive coordinator (and formerBroncos coach) plucked you in the first round in 2010.

And trust me,  McDaniels feels fine about you losing his job for him, Tim.  No hard feelings whatsoever.  Didn't learn a thing.


I'm pretty sure trading Cutler, trading up to overpay for Tebow, going with Orton, and being unable to develop an offense for two years did that for him.
 
2013-03-07 03:54:05 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Deneb81: If not, he won't play and the Pats won't take him

Why not? Chad Johnson couldn't do any of that and they took him anyway. Albert Haynesworth too.

Belichick isn't the genius he's made out to be.


I'm not so sure. Maybe he's not a play-calling genius, but his personnel decisions have been epic:

- Brady over Bledsoe
- taking Moss, and turning him into an absolute machine for 1 more year than anyone else was ever able to do
- making Matt Cassel look like a franchise QB
- discovering Welker, Gronk, et al

No, not all of his choices have worked out, but by and large the Pats have been one of the most personnel-savvy teams in history since Belichick's run began. They draft intelligently, they don't waste money and cap space on prima donna free agents, and they consistently get stellar offensive results from seeming role players.

If he would ever take the time to put together a solid defense again, Brady would absolutely get SB rings #4 and 5.
 
2013-03-07 04:17:32 PM  

whistleridge: If he would ever take the time to put together a solid defense again, Brady would absolutely get SB rings #4 and 5.


Problem is that Belichick is completely toxic to defenses.  His record on breaking defenders is notorious.  The guy's "tough it out" mentality is worse than a psychotic USMC drill instructor -- linebackers recovering from severe concussions who shouldn't even be on the field forced to engage in full-contact scrimmages, etc.  In fact, his abuse of personnel is so damaging I really wonder why TapeGate got more publicity.  The nightmares his former players lived through seemed to be covered only by local media and only a few times at that.  But I suspect word's got around, so NE can't find decent defenders even if they're offering them good money.  Sooner or later a Patriot's going to wind up like Junior Seau and no amount of money is worth that.
 
2013-03-07 04:21:11 PM  
Belichick has a thing for players who do MORE than one thing well.

Not so much for players who do FEWER than one thing well.

/OK. So maybe "running" is "a thing".
 
2013-03-07 04:41:05 PM  

AdamK: *edit: 7 points


They only won those first three by 9 points collectively, so you could just as easily say they're 9 points (or 12 points, so their opponents win by 1 point each) away from being the Buffalo Bills or the pre-Shanahan Broncos of the 2000's.
 
2013-03-07 04:43:04 PM  

Lost Thought 00: The key is that he picked each of those guys up for the league minimum salary. That they didn't work out didn't hurt the team at all.


Meh. Every guy on the roster is about 2% of the total you have to work with. You can't be wasting any roster spots regardless of cost..
 
2013-03-07 05:08:25 PM  

aevorea: Hahahaha.

At first I thought the headline meant that Giselle was taking her Stage Mom act elsewhere.

This is even better.

/New England does NOT want Tebow's attitude


I don't think it's Tebow's attitude.  It's the circus that follows him.  If he didn't have that spotlight on him and 24/7 coverage on ESPN, he'd be just another religious QB.
 
2013-03-07 06:09:40 PM  

dragonchild: whistleridge: If he would ever take the time to put together a solid defense again, Brady would absolutely get SB rings #4 and 5.

Problem is that Belichick is completely toxic to defenses.  His record on breaking defenders is notorious.  The guy's "tough it out" mentality is worse than a psychotic USMC drill instructor -- linebackers recovering from severe concussions who shouldn't even be on the field forced to engage in full-contact scrimmages, etc.  In fact, his abuse of personnel is so damaging I really wonder why TapeGate got more publicity.  The nightmares his former players lived through seemed to be covered only by local media and only a few times at that.  But I suspect word's got around, so NE can't find decent defenders even if they're offering them good money.  Sooner or later a Patriot's going to wind up like Junior Seau and no amount of money is worth that.


Not that I doubt you, but this is the first time I've heard of this. Got a citation for further reading? I'm curious.
 
2013-03-07 06:17:55 PM  
Ryan Mallett is better.
 
2013-03-07 06:21:55 PM  

Arkanaut: AdamK: *edit: 7 points

They only won those first three by 9 points collectively, so you could just as easily say they're 9 points (or 12 points, so their opponents win by 1 point each) away from being the Buffalo Bills or the pre-Shanahan Broncos of the 2000's.


not really, the bills were -66 points and the pre-shanahan broncos were -113 points

+9 and -7 since 2001 just means not blowing people out
 
2013-03-07 06:29:27 PM  

whistleridge: Not that I doubt you, but this is the first time I've heard of this. Got a citation for further reading? I'm curious.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Phifer 
http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/7946834/former-new-england- pa triot-ted-johnson-calls-death-junior-seau-tip-tipping-point
http://www.5280.com/magazine/2009/08/ted-johnsons-brain?page=0,0

I also read (Boston Globe, I think) that Roman Phifer is so crippled he can't even pour his own glass.  He made a documentary about how the NFL destroys people.  His career basically ended with Belichick's Patriots.
Ted Johnson is still trying to piece his life back together.  His career ended with Belichick's Patriots.
Junior Seau blew his own head off.  His career ended with Belichick's Patriots.
Etc., etc.  You can Google for more.  Granted it's a league-wide problem, and these guys were all veterans with cumulative damage so some of it's correlative.  But read up on Ted Johnson's retirement; there's a lot of stuff out there.  If I played defense in the NFL, to me, New England is a special place where defenders go to die for Belichick's psychopathic ego.

Fark TapeGate.  Honestly, it's a non-issue.  All NFL teams spy on each other; if you think otherwise you're a fool.  The real problem is Bill Belichick treats his defense like cattle for slaughter.  If there was any doubt, Ted Johnson's story and Junior Seau's death are the proof.  Why oh why do people who hate the Patriots give a rat's ass about some goddamn signals??

I'm a Pats fan, or rather I want to be, but Belichick needs his kneecaps blown off with a .45.  He's scum.
 
2013-03-07 06:33:09 PM  

dragonchild: whistleridge: Not that I doubt you, but this is the first time I've heard of this. Got a citation for further reading? I'm curious.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Phifer
http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/7946834/former-new-england- pa triot-ted-johnson-calls-death-junior-seau-tip-tipping-point
http://www.5280.com/magazine/2009/08/ted-johnsons-brain?page=0,0

I also read (Boston Globe, I think) that Roman Phifer is so crippled he can't even pour his own glass.  He made a documentary about how the NFL destroys people.  His career basically ended with Belichick's Patriots.
Ted Johnson is still trying to piece his life back together.  His career ended with Belichick's Patriots.
Junior Seau blew his own head off.  His career ended with Belichick's Patriots.
Etc., etc.  You can Google for more.  Granted it's a league-wide problem, and these guys were all veterans with cumulative damage so some of it's correlative.  But read up on Ted Johnson's retirement; there's a lot of stuff out there.  If I played defense in the NFL, to me, New England is a special place where defenders go to die for Belichick's psychopathic ego.

Fark TapeGate.  Honestly, it's a non-issue.  All NFL teams spy on each other; if you think otherwise you're a fool.  The real problem is Bill Belichick treats his defense like cattle for slaughter.  If there was any doubt, Ted Johnson's story and Junior Seau's death are the proof.  Why oh why do people who hate the Patriots give a rat's ass about some goddamn signals??

I'm a Pats fan, or rather I want to be, but Belichick needs his kneecaps blown off with a .45.  He's scum.


2/10
 
2013-03-07 06:52:12 PM  

dragonchild: whistleridge: If he would ever take the time to put together a solid defense again, Brady would absolutely get SB rings #4 and 5.

Problem is that Belichick is completely toxic to defenses.  His record on breaking defenders is notorious.  The guy's "tough it out" mentality is worse than a psychotic USMC drill instructor -- linebackers recovering from severe concussions who shouldn't even be on the field forced to engage in full-contact scrimmages, etc.  In fact, his abuse of personnel is so damaging I really wonder why TapeGate got more publicity.  The nightmares his former players lived through seemed to be covered only by local media and only a few times at that.  But I suspect word's got around, so NE can't find decent defenders even if they're offering them good money.  Sooner or later a Patriot's going to wind up like Junior Seau and no amount of money is worth that.


Yet Rodney, Teddy, and Willy all seems to still be in love with him.
 
2013-03-07 09:03:24 PM  

dragonchild: .
Junior Seau blew his own head off.  His career ended with Belichick's Patriots.


Seau actually shot himself in the chest, so his brain could be studied for signs of CTE. Of the 20 seasons he spent in the NFL, only 4 of those were with the Pats. You can't blame Belichick for brain damage that happened years before he joined the team.
 
2013-03-07 09:47:33 PM  

AdamK: Arkanaut: AdamK: *edit: 7 points

They only won those first three by 9 points collectively, so you could just as easily say they're 9 points (or 12 points, so their opponents win by 1 point each) away from being the Buffalo Bills or the pre-Shanahan Broncos of the 2000's.

not really, the bills were -66 points and the pre-shanahan broncos were -113 points

+9 and -7 since 2001 just means not blowing people out


Fair enough.  I had forgotten how lopsided those Super Bowls were -- I guess I'm spoiled by all the close ones in the recent years.
 
2013-03-07 10:56:22 PM  

whistleridge: I think this is actually a good idea.

Belichick is an innovative coach, who has a knack for getting the most out of players. Plus, Brady is a HOF QB who isn't going anywhere, and there would be zero QB controversy.

Removing all possibility of Tebow ever being a starting QB and having a coach who would be willing to play him as a RB, TE, or FB might make him switch roles in his own head. I think he could get more playing time, and the Pats would get a solid role player. It could really be a win-win.


I'm ok with this. TE, FB, H-back, backup QB...I wouldn't mind TT wearing Patriot Red/White/Blue.
 
2013-03-08 12:26:58 AM  

John Buck 41: whistleridge: I think this is actually a good idea.

Belichick is an innovative coach, who has a knack for getting the most out of players. Plus, Brady is a HOF QB who isn't going anywhere, and there would be zero QB controversy.

Removing all possibility of Tebow ever being a starting QB and having a coach who would be willing to play him as a RB, TE, or FB might make him switch roles in his own head. I think he could get more playing time, and the Pats would get a solid role player. It could really be a win-win.

I'm ok with this. TE, FB, H-back, backup QB...I wouldn't mind TT wearing Patriot Red/White/Blue.


See, that's just it.  NFL coaches aren't innovative enough.  Can you imagine how much opposing defenses are going to shiat their pants when you have Brady and Tebow lined up side by side in the shotgun?  Seriously, if I had Tebow on my team, he would officially be a fullback, play about 50% of the snaps, and throw about 1/3 - 1/2 of the snaps he took, either directly or on the lateral.  Then again, these are guys that will punt on a 4th and 2 from the opponents 36.  Then again, I'm kind of drunk, so this may be a bad idea.
 
2013-03-08 12:01:00 PM  
'9ers should grab him.
 
2013-03-09 10:59:14 AM  

Arkanaut: Imagine if Tebow converts Brady and Gisele to Evangelical Christianity.  They would be the most insufferable QB pair in the history of football.


That's a good call, but I'd still pick John Elway/Bubby Brister as the MOST insufferable QB pair in the history of football, no matter what happens.
 
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