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2013-03-07 12:04:24 PM  
4 votes:

hillbillypharmacist: Death is totes the right punishment for stealing a car.


So, devils advocate time...

Who says that the theft of my car is any less important than the theft of anything else or anyone else's possessions?  I've worked honestly and hard to be able to buy my car, I need my car to get to and from work, run errands, and to experience life.  The very act of stealing my car is prohibiting me from doing what I need to do in my life, and prohibiting me from enjoying my life the way I want to...you are negatively affecting my livelihood and my ability to get around in a meaningful way.

What is valuable to me, may not be as valuable to you and vice versa, that being said,who are you to tell me that my possessions are not worth defending if someone is trying to take them from me?
If you are willing to steal a car, you have to accept the possibility that the car you are stealing means a lot to the person it is getting stolen from.
2013-03-07 12:45:12 PM  
3 votes:

Katolu: Insurance will compensate you for your loss. Will you compensate the family of the person you kill?


But my car/stolen item holds sentimental value to me that cannot be equated in monetary terms.  Why should I have to?  It is not my problem that their family member chose to do something illegal and got killed in the process...

Why should I have to compensate a thief's family?  What, the family relied on stolen goods as a from of income, and now that I've taken out the main breadwinner, the family is now at a loss and has to find real jobs?
2013-03-07 12:39:39 PM  
3 votes:

Katolu: Endive Wombat: hillbillypharmacist: Death is totes the right punishment for stealing a car.

Katolu: Endive Wombat: hillbillypharmacist: Death is totes the right punishment for stealing a car.

So, devils advocate time...

Who says that the theft of my car is any less important than the theft of anything else or anyone else's possessions?  I've worked honestly and hard to be able to buy my car, I need my car to get to and from work, run errands, and to experience life.  The very act of stealing my car is prohibiting me from doing what I need to do in my life, and prohibiting me from enjoying my life the way I want to...you are negatively affecting my livelihood and my ability to get around in a meaningful way.

What is valuable to me, may not be as valuable to you and vice versa, that being said,who are you to tell me that my possessions are not worth defending if someone is trying to take them from me?
If you are willing to steal a car, you have to accept the possibility that the car you are stealing means a lot to the person it is getting stolen from.

Insurance will compensate you for your loss. Will you compensate the family of the person you kill?



I'm glad someone mentioned the family. Maybe if the family would teach their children it is wrong (and dangerous) to steal the property of others we wouldn't have this problem.
2013-03-07 12:30:02 PM  
3 votes:

NeoCortex42: loveblondieo: "We've had a Ford pickup truck stolen. We've had a van stolen. We've had a walking floor trailer stolen, and we've had people who've tried to steal radiators out of the trucks,

How the fark do you get these stolen from you?

For the $75,000 he lost, he could have probably afforded a decent fence and security system.


A bullet costs about a dollar and a head on a pike serves as a warning to others.

Thieves are scum.
2013-03-07 11:41:51 AM  
3 votes:

loveblondieo: "We've had a Ford pickup truck stolen. We've had a van stolen. We've had a walking floor trailer stolen, and we've had people who've tried to steal radiators out of the trucks,

How the fark do you get these stolen from you?


For the $75,000 he lost, he could have probably afforded a decent fence and security system.
2013-03-07 12:40:57 PM  
2 votes:
Good for him. Some people need to be reminded that actions have consequences.
2013-03-07 12:32:14 PM  
2 votes:

labman: It might make them think twice.


Career criminals lack the ability to properly process risk versus reward. Until you fix that (which is possible) you're never going to stop them by increasing the severity of the potential consequences.

We live in a culture that tells us that objects are worth killing for. Is it any wonder then that we have lots of people who have no problem taking other peoples' objects by force? The two go hand in hand.
2013-03-07 12:29:54 PM  
2 votes:

Endive Wombat: hillbillypharmacist: Death is totes the right punishment for stealing a car.

So, devils advocate time...

Who says that the theft of my car is any less important than the theft of anything else or anyone else's possessions?  I've worked honestly and hard to be able to buy my car, I need my car to get to and from work, run errands, and to experience life.  The very act of stealing my car is prohibiting me from doing what I need to do in my life, and prohibiting me from enjoying my life the way I want to...you are negatively affecting my livelihood and my ability to get around in a meaningful way.

What is valuable to me, may not be as valuable to you and vice versa, that being said,who are you to tell me that my possessions are not worth defending if someone is trying to take them from me?
If you are willing to steal a car, you have to accept the possibility that the car you are stealing means a lot to the person it is getting stolen from.


If I adopt your valuation that a radiator is worth a life, can I shoot you and just give a radiator as compensation?
2013-03-07 12:24:32 PM  
2 votes:

loveblondieo: "We've had a Ford pickup truck stolen. We've had a van stolen. We've had a walking floor trailer stolen, and we've had people who've tried to steal radiators out of the trucks,

How the fark do you get these stolen from you?


It's fairly easy to steal these things with a truck and a trailer.  I would recommend getting a substantial locking gate instead of shooting people.  Also I would imagine that they're stealing these things at night when there's no one around with a gun anyway.  The cheapest option would be to get a large ill-tempered dog.
2013-03-07 09:32:19 AM  
2 votes:
Death is totes the right punishment for stealing a car.
2013-03-07 06:34:53 PM  
1 votes:

js34603: It amazes me how fast it goes from "I am able to use deadly force to protect my property" to "I can't wait to use deadly force to maybe protect my property but to definitely shoot someone!"

It is also amazing how people who have never shot someone are so eager to do so while people who have shot someone tend to have a little different perspective. Even people who "justifiably" shot someone tend not to be in the "I'll blast ya if you trespass on my land" crowd. It's almost like that crowd is over compensating by acting really tough and talking about how eager they are to shoot someone.


The "never shot someone" group also seem to ridiculously over-estimate their shooting ability.  They're completely confident that in a stressful situation such as coming across a robbery they will be able to draw, load, aim, and fire their weapon accurately. Never mind that the bad guy might also be armed, may not be alone, is probably running or otherwise moving around, is probably on edge themselves, might be on something or just plain crazy and therefore might act irrationally, is probably under some cover of darkness, rain, or fog (as noted in the article), and so on and so on.  Professional soldiers and law enforcement would have trouble in this situation, but Jim Bob the junkyard owner?  No problem at all.
2013-03-07 06:00:34 PM  
1 votes:
Come on, people, if you are on someone's property stealing shiat, you know you are somewhere you are not supposed to be, and you know you are doing something that you are not supposed to be doing. If someone shoots you, too bad, buh-bye.
2013-03-07 04:31:29 PM  
1 votes:

hideous: amazing how many of the comments are on the side of thieves.  Small businesses, especially today, have such a small profit margin, $75g could bankrupt one easily.  Thieves endanger honest people's ability to provide for our families.  And, right v wrong I guess is a dead concept, so I supposed any consequences to stealing would be unfair.

And lastly, it isn't like they were stealing a loaf of bread, Targeted theft of sellable and specific parts in some cases, shows these were people who do this so they don't have to get up and go bust their asses at a job with the rest of us.


So, when an executive steals millions from stockholders, death?
2013-03-07 02:37:29 PM  
1 votes:

stonicus: notatrollorami: deanis: I love all the internet tough guys that jump into these kinds of threads and argue to the death that personal property > life." I swear to God dang nabit, if I catch one 'dem burglars takin' my catalytic converters im gonna let him taste my AR-15."


Fark y'all.

And I, a guy with no guns and ambivalent feelings about them, love all the internet pussies that swarm these threads with "life>property" as if that is the ONLY ethical question in play and stealing things is some minor annoyance that can't be helped and thieves themselves are unfortunate misguided little scamps.

Some are.  Some aren't.
Some people are born into shiat circumstances and thievery is their best chance at survival.
Some people are born into privilege and opportunity and still decide to turn to thievery for whatever reason.


Certainly true. Interestingly, it seems to me the people MOST likely to have a "shoot thieves" mentality are hardscrabble bootstrappy blue collar types who grew up with very little and worked their ass off for whatever possessions they have. Trust fund babies with nice umbrella policies are rarely shooty types. Guys who bondo cars 14 hours a day to afford their fishing boat attach a little more personal significance to the item. And, having been raised with nothing, are unsympathetic to those who thieve instead of working hard to get things.

///Used to work at a body shop.
2013-03-07 01:47:27 PM  
1 votes:

stonicus: notatrollorami: deanis: I love all the internet tough guys that jump into these kinds of threads and argue to the death that personal property > life." I swear to God dang nabit, if I catch one 'dem burglars takin' my catalytic converters im gonna let him taste my AR-15."


Fark y'all.

And I, a guy with no guns and ambivalent feelings about them, love all the internet pussies that swarm these threads with "life>property" as if that is the ONLY ethical question in play and stealing things is some minor annoyance that can't be helped and thieves themselves are unfortunate misguided little scamps.

Some are.  Some aren't.
Some people are born into shiat circumstances and thievery is their best chance at survival.
Some people are born into privilege and opportunity and still decide to turn to thievery for whatever reason.


In either case, or any other, they made their choice.

I made mine.  So if you don't steal from me, I won't shoot at you.  It seems like a reasonable arrangement.

But if you show up on my door step and say you are hungry and need a place to sleep, I will feed you and give you a place to sleep.  Because that's what people are supposed to do for each other, and my parents taught my honor, along with how to shoot a gun.
2013-03-07 01:36:38 PM  
1 votes:

deanis: Civil_War2_Time: deanis: Endive Wombat: deanis: I love all the internet tough guys that jump into these kinds of threads and argue to the death that personal property > life." I swear to God dang nabit, if I catch one 'dem burglars takin' my catalytic converters im gonna let him taste my AR-15."


Fark y'all.

So at what point for you does a specific possession become valuable enough to justify the taking of the thief's life?

That's my point, it would never cross my mind to take someones life for stealing. I would certainly try and injure them, but murder? No thanks bruh.

I suppose if they hatched a plan to take my home off of it's foundation I would think about it. But other than that there isn't much in the world that I give that much of a shiat about. Well maybe my records but that's it.

So, if someone came to steal your house or "records," is killing them considered "murder" in any country on Earth?

Nope.

I don't care how you want to describe the act of killing someone for thievery. I don't believe that property is equal to a human life.


Hypothetical U.S. situation, but a valid one: You're a traveling welder (or tow-truck driver), and your truck is your livlihood. You're the breadwinner in your family, as your wife stays at home to raise the kids and take care of the house while you're gone. Someone steals the vehicle (and equipment). You have insurance and the police that takes their sweet time to investigate (they all do), and you go without income for months. During that time, your house goes into foreclosure, your savings are exhausted, and your credit is wrecked.

Not worth a shot or five to protect your source of income?

Come on.

There's beeeding-heart, and then just flat-out stupid.
2013-03-07 01:36:33 PM  
1 votes:
I can't get TFA to reload, but did I read that the sign had been there for three months, but the last robbery was two weeks ago?

You're gonna need a bigger sign...
2013-03-07 01:34:00 PM  
1 votes:

Satanic_Hamster: Congrats, business owner!  You just upped the chances of you going to jail if you ever do shoot anyone.

"I was in fear of my life, so I shot him."
"We don't believe you because you've previously bragged you'd shoot any thief just for stealing, so hope you like prison rape."


South Carolina lets you use lethal force to prevent violent crime. First degree burglary is explicitly listed as a violent crime in SC law. First degree criminal burglary line is crossed if it occurs at night time:

FTA: "Nichols says he has a night guard that watches over his business several times a week. He says thieves tend to target his business on either a rainy or foggy night."

1st degree

(A) A person is guilty of burglary in the first degree if the person enters a dwelling without consent and with intent to commit a crime in the dwelling, and either:  [snipped for brevity]

(3) the entering or remaining occurs in the nighttime.


 ----------


Seems like he's in the clear to me.
2013-03-07 01:29:20 PM  
1 votes:
ZAZ:  "It's very disheartening when they (thieves) do get caught and the judges don't give them any time."
Do people who shoot thieves get time in South Carolina?


Only if those thieves are black.
2013-03-07 01:28:13 PM  
1 votes:

notatrollorami: deanis: I love all the internet tough guys that jump into these kinds of threads and argue to the death that personal property > life." I swear to God dang nabit, if I catch one 'dem burglars takin' my catalytic converters im gonna let him taste my AR-15."


Fark y'all.

And I, a guy with no guns and ambivalent feelings about them, love all the internet pussies that swarm these threads with "life>property" as if that is the ONLY ethical question in play and stealing things is some minor annoyance that can't be helped and thieves themselves are unfortunate misguided little scamps.


Of course stealing is unethical, nobody has ever argued that it wasn't. I'm pretty sure that nobody expressed remorse for said robbers. However, the notion that someone should die for stealing a car is about as dumb as the sign this guy put up. There are places that use extreme violence for punishment of theft. Maybe you should take residence there.
2013-03-07 01:21:56 PM  
1 votes:

deanis: I love all the internet tough guys that jump into these kinds of threads and argue to the death that personal property > life." I swear to God dang nabit, if I catch one 'dem burglars takin' my catalytic converters im gonna let him taste my AR-15."


Fark y'all.


And I, a guy with no guns and ambivalent feelings about them, love all the internet pussies that swarm these threads with "life>property" as if that is the ONLY ethical question in play and stealing things is some minor annoyance that can't be helped and thieves themselves are unfortunate misguided little scamps.
2013-03-07 01:17:59 PM  
1 votes:

Civil_War2_Time: deanis: Endive Wombat: deanis: I love all the internet tough guys that jump into these kinds of threads and argue to the death that personal property > life." I swear to God dang nabit, if I catch one 'dem burglars takin' my catalytic converters im gonna let him taste my AR-15."


Fark y'all.

So at what point for you does a specific possession become valuable enough to justify the taking of the thief's life?

That's my point, it would never cross my mind to take someones life for stealing. I would certainly try and injure them, but murder? No thanks bruh.

I suppose if they hatched a plan to take my home off of it's foundation I would think about it. But other than that there isn't much in the world that I give that much of a shiat about. Well maybe my records but that's it.

So, if someone came to steal your house or "records," is killing them considered "murder" in any country on Earth?

Nope.


I don't care how you want to describe the act of killing someone for thievery. I don't believe that property is equal to a human life.
2013-03-07 01:16:36 PM  
1 votes:

labman: It might make them think twice.


OH, no doubt - criminals are famous for their ability to reflect upon the possible consequences of their actions.
And it it might make them "think twice" - to bring a gun of their own with them, and some armed buddies.
2013-03-07 01:16:34 PM  
1 votes:

Endive Wombat: deanis: Endive Wombat: deanis: I love all the internet tough guys that jump into these kinds of threads and argue to the death that personal property > life." I swear to God dang nabit, if I catch one 'dem burglars takin' my catalytic converters im gonna let him taste my AR-15."


Fark y'all.

So at what point for you does a specific possession become valuable enough to justify the taking of the thief's life?

That's my point, it would never cross my mind to take someones life for stealing. I would certainly try and injure them, but murder? No thanks bruh.

I suppose if they hatched a plan to take my home off of it's foundation I would think about it. But other than that there isn't much in the world that I give that much of a shiat about. Well maybe my records but that's it.

What if your life, or a loved ones depended on the very item(s) they are taking?  Medicine, some kind of medical equipment?


That is very different. The story talks about farking cars and auto parts dipshiat. Now your talking about medical equipment that someones life depends on. It seems we have a apples to oranges thing going here.
2013-03-07 01:12:25 PM  
1 votes:
Man, this thread is internet tough.
2013-03-07 01:03:52 PM  
1 votes:

Endive Wombat: deanis: I love all the internet tough guys that jump into these kinds of threads and argue to the death that personal property > life." I swear to God dang nabit, if I catch one 'dem burglars takin' my catalytic converters im gonna let him taste my AR-15."


Fark y'all.

So at what point for you does a specific possession become valuable enough to justify the taking of the thief's life?


That's my point, it would never cross my mind to take someones life for stealing. I would certainly try and injure them, but murder? No thanks bruh.

I suppose if they hatched a plan to take my home off of it's foundation I would think about it. But other than that there isn't much in the world that I give that much of a shiat about. Well maybe my records but that's it.
2013-03-07 12:53:24 PM  
1 votes:
They're not called "Junkyard Dogs" because they're tame. And, there are plenty that you can adopt and save from being put down.

Just an idea that's been around for decades.
2013-03-07 12:46:28 PM  
1 votes:
I love all the internet tough guys that jump into these kinds of threads and argue to the death that personal property > life." I swear to God dang nabit, if I catch one 'dem burglars takin' my catalytic converters im gonna let him taste my AR-15."


Fark y'all.
2013-03-07 12:42:15 PM  
1 votes:

Gunslinger013: I'm glad someone mentioned the family. Maybe if the family would teach their children it is wrong (and dangerous) to steal the property of others we wouldn't have this problem.


FARK YOU AND YOUR PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY!!!!
2013-03-07 12:26:16 PM  
1 votes:
Can I get that printed on a hoodie?
2013-03-07 12:25:30 PM  
1 votes:
If they couldn't spot the thieves in the act of stealing the car, what makes them think that the warning would stop anyone?
2013-03-07 12:24:56 PM  
1 votes:

Endive Wombat: hillbillypharmacist: Death is totes the right punishment for stealing a car.

So, devils advocate time...

Who says that the theft of my car is any less important than the theft of anything else or anyone else's possessions?  I've worked honestly and hard to be able to buy my car, I need my car to get to and from work, run errands, and to experience life.  The very act of stealing my car is prohibiting me from doing what I need to do in my life, and prohibiting me from enjoying my life the way I want to...you are negatively affecting my livelihood and my ability to get around in a meaningful way.

What is valuable to me, may not be as valuable to you and vice versa, that being said,who are you to tell me that my possessions are not worth defending if someone is trying to take them from me?
If you are willing to steal a car, you have to accept the possibility that the car you are stealing means a lot to the person it is getting stolen from.


Insurance will compensate you for your loss. Will you compensate the family of the person you kill?
2013-03-07 12:24:21 PM  
1 votes:

NeoCortex42: loveblondieo: "We've had a Ford pickup truck stolen. We've had a van stolen. We've had a walking floor trailer stolen, and we've had people who've tried to steal radiators out of the trucks,

How the fark do you get these stolen from you?

For the $75,000 he lost, he could have probably afforded a decent fence and security system.


Yeah, a fence might be in order here. You won't stop all the theft, but a good fence will put a nice dent into it.
2013-03-07 11:56:13 AM  
1 votes:
Soooo...premeditated murder?
2013-03-07 11:51:43 AM  
1 votes:
When I'm shopping, I always look for the store with the "Thieves will be shot" sign.
I know the chances of being mistaken for a thief are pretty low, but I do like just a little bit of danger.
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-03-07 09:26:56 AM  
1 votes:
"It's very disheartening when they (thieves) do get caught and the judges don't give them any time."

Do people who shoot thieves get time in South Carolina?
 
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