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2013-03-07 02:47:52 PM  

deanis: Civil_War2_Time: deanis

Yes, it IS a bleeding-heart mentality, whether you want to admit it or not.

I don't own, nor do I fear guns. But, you seem to be tucked into a blanket scared of some random bullet taking you out...one that was fired by a person trying to protect their possessions and livlihood.

Bleeding hearts would be worried about the safety of the robbers, amirite? My argument is about the principle of killing someone over a possesion, not the well being of thieves who actually get shot.

By the way, your the assclown worried about the ooga booga robbers stealing your shiat. My comment about a hypothetical shooting was certainly ridiculous, in order to point out the stupidity of the original hypothetical statement directed my way.


I'm not "worried" about robberies, because I live where there are basically NONE committed. Everyone around me has a gun, so perps don't come here. I leave my doors unlocked, I leave my car running when making a snack/beer run, etc.

Do you live in a shiathole? Maybe you should relocate...just not to central Texas.
 
2013-03-07 02:52:56 PM  
henryhill: Please come steal my stuff, I have no fence or security system

And we're back full circle to where it's the fault of the business owner. Maybe he should stand trial.
 
2013-03-07 02:53:34 PM  

Kahabut: hillbillypharmacist: Death is totes the right punishment for stealing a car.

Try and steal my car, and we'll find out, won't we?

I don't care what it is you think you are going to take from me, I am simply not going to allow it if I have a choice.  I have several choices, which caliber do you prefer?  Personally I like the .50 Flint lock.  It's stylish and saves time with balistics.

You're a thieving piece of trash, we have a lot of those, I can't imagine why their life should be precious?


Out of interest, in this fantasy you have of killing a thief, is their any pattern to the skin color of the person you imagine yourself killing so stylishly?
 
2013-03-07 02:54:03 PM  

jso2897: labman: It might make them think twice.

OH, no doubt - criminals are famous for their ability to reflect upon the possible consequences of their actions.
And it it might make them "think twice" - to bring a gun of their own with them, and some armed buddies.


Statistics often show the opposite to be true.
In nations with high gun ownership, thieves prefer to rob during daylight hours.   Guns don't stop robbery, but they trend assaults and home invasions down because interacting with your victim is too risky.

/Business wise: The more people you bring, the more the loot gets divided.
/So you'd face a higher risk of getting shot for less reward.
/Granted, crime isn't about doing what's smart...
 
2013-03-07 02:58:40 PM  

joseelsegundo: ZAZ: "It's very disheartening when they (thieves) do get caught and the judges don't give them any time."

Do people who shoot thieves get time in South Carolina?

Well living in SC can be considered punishment, so I imagine at your sentencing the judge might count your years of SC citizenship as time served.


You live in Tampa.

TAMPA.
 
2013-03-07 03:00:56 PM  
Wasnt there a First48 episode of the aftermath of this? Yep owner shot a guy and killed him over truck parts.
 
2013-03-07 03:02:19 PM  
As someone who just removed  converters out from up under, I'm getting a kick out of this.
 
2013-03-07 03:03:26 PM  

Civil_War2_Time: deanis: Civil_War2_Time: deanis

Yes, it IS a bleeding-heart mentality, whether you want to admit it or not.

I don't own, nor do I fear guns. But, you seem to be tucked into a blanket scared of some random bullet taking you out...one that was fired by a person trying to protect their possessions and livlihood.

Bleeding hearts would be worried about the safety of the robbers, amirite? My argument is about the principle of killing someone over a possesion, not the well being of thieves who actually get shot.

By the way, your the assclown worried about the ooga booga robbers stealing your shiat. My comment about a hypothetical shooting was certainly ridiculous, in order to point out the stupidity of the original hypothetical statement directed my way.

I'm not "worried" about robberies, because I live where there are basically NONE committed. Everyone around me has a gun, so perps don't come here. I leave my doors unlocked, I leave my car running when making a snack/beer run, etc.

Do you live in a shiathole? Maybe you should relocate...just not to central Texas.


I do not live in a shiathole. Crime rate is very low here and trust me, Texas is far too derpy for my taste. I hope nobody steals your car while you leave it running to get some faygo and cheese puffs, but god derrnit if they do I know one of y'all will shoot em dead! yee haw!
 
2013-03-07 03:08:29 PM  

Endive Wombat: So at what point for you does a specific possession become valuable enough to justify the taking of the thief's life?


That's really up to the thief. If, after being warned, he still decides to steal something, he's decided that his life is only worth that much.

/I don't have any desire to kill for my possessions, but I'm willing to see if a criminal wants to die for them.
 
2013-03-07 03:08:33 PM  

treesloth: I think I'm going to put up a sign that says, "Trespassers will be violated".


As a kid, I remember seeing a sign reading, "Shoplifters will be prostituted."

I think it may have been more effective than the standard "prosecuted" security theater.
 
2013-03-07 03:09:50 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: henryhill: Please come steal my stuff, I have no fence or security system

And we're back full circle to where it's the fault of the business owner. Maybe he should stand trial.


Well, if he didn't want his stuff stolen, he shouldn't have dressed it like that.

/am i doing this right?
 
2013-03-07 03:11:11 PM  
Recently, near me there was a guy who heard a guy breaking into his car, confronted him, chased and shot him. Not legal but I have to be honest, my thought was "good".
 
2013-03-07 03:14:07 PM  

PsyLord: Can't wait for someone to hack the sign to say "Free Stuff"


lolz! Local wise guy places Craigslist ad "Heavy equipment yard closing, death in family. Relatives out of state. Tow away whatever you want, site must be cleared immediately Thank you for helping."
 
2013-03-07 03:14:45 PM  

way south: jso2897: labman: It might make them think twice.

OH, no doubt - criminals are famous for their ability to reflect upon the possible consequences of their actions.
And it it might make them "think twice" - to bring a gun of their own with them, and some armed buddies.

Statistics often show the opposite to be true.
In nations with high gun ownership, thieves prefer to rob during daylight hours.   Guns don't stop robbery, but they trend assaults and home invasions down because interacting with your victim is too risky.

/Business wise: The more people you bring, the more the loot gets divided.
/So you'd face a higher risk of getting shot for less reward.
/Granted, crime isn't about doing what's smart...


That's 90% of my point - you are imputing reason to a person who will plan, scheme, plot, organize, expend time, work and wealth - all to prove to himself that he can live without effort. It is better to simply do whatever you do to make yourself secure in your person and possessions - advertising your intentions is almost always a bad idea - you aren't dealing with rational people.
Many, many years ago, when I was young and stupid, and became briefly involved with hard drugs (smack) - which brought me into the company of career robbers and burglars ( I sold drugs). I met many burglars who told me they specifically looked for people who had those "Insured by Smith and Wesson" or "Forget the dog, beware of owner" signs on their house - because it suggested to them that there might be guns inside. On the street, guns are worth many times more than any other hot good. A diamond will get you a tenth of it's wholesale value - a gun, two or three times it's retail value. On numerous occasions, they attempted to sell or trade me the guns they had stolen from these pre-internet tough guys. So you can see where I have acquired my perspective on this. Sociopaths do not weigh risk vs. reward in the same way that a person like you or me does, and don't respond as you or I would to the same information.
 
2013-03-07 03:15:36 PM  

MrJesus: joseelsegundo: ZAZ: "It's very disheartening when they (thieves) do get caught and the judges don't give them any time."

Do people who shoot thieves get time in South Carolina?

Well living in SC can be considered punishment, so I imagine at your sentencing the judge might count your years of SC citizenship as time served.

You live in Tampa.

TAMPA.


Touché !

I seem to be attracted to these shiatholes. However the average high temps in Tampa during the winter makes it much easier to deal with.
 
2013-03-07 03:17:04 PM  

hillbillypharmacist: Death is totes the right punishment for stealing a car.


death is the appropriate punishment for people that say "totes" and "cray cray" or use "tweet" as a verb or as anything other than to describe that little cartoon bird from the 70s or 80s for that matter.  you are not edgy or hip, you sound like a farking retard.

and yes for trespassing and stealing a car, it is fine, it is not like they found a car in a public place with the keys in it.
 
2013-03-07 03:18:33 PM  

joseelsegundo: MrJesus: joseelsegundo: ZAZ: "It's very disheartening when they (thieves) do get caught and the judges don't give them any time."

Do people who shoot thieves get time in South Carolina?

Well living in SC can be considered punishment, so I imagine at your sentencing the judge might count your years of SC citizenship as time served.

You live in Tampa.

TAMPA.

Touché !

I seem to be attracted to these shiatholes. However the average high temps in Tampa during the winter makes it much easier to deal with.


Unfortunately I am pretty sure that once you move to Tampa, you can never leave. Something about fearsome, deadly bridges that keep you trapped there because you can never cross them.

At least, that's what Jose El Primero told me.
 
2013-03-07 03:18:41 PM  
amazing how many of the comments are on the side of thieves.  Small businesses, especially today, have such a small profit margin, $75g could bankrupt one easily.  Thieves endanger honest people's ability to provide for our families.  And, right v wrong I guess is a dead concept, so I supposed any consequences to stealing would be unfair.

And lastly, it isn't like they were stealing a loaf of bread, Targeted theft of sellable and specific parts in some cases, shows these were people who do this so they don't have to get up and go bust their asses at a job with the rest of us.
 
2013-03-07 03:20:46 PM  

Mimic_Octopus: it is not like they found a car in a public place with the keys in it.


Kill him!!!!!!

thedailycannibal.com
 
2013-03-07 03:24:28 PM  

Mimic_Octopus: hillbillypharmacist: Death is totes the right punishment for stealing a car.

death is the appropriate punishment for people that say "totes" and "cray cray" or use "tweet" as a verb or as anything other than to describe that little cartoon bird from the 70s or 80s for that matter.  you are not edgy or hip, you sound like a farking retard.

and yes for trespassing and stealing a car, it is fine, it is not like they found a car in a public place with the keys in it.


Tweet is a verb and a noun. A bird can tweet and it would be a bird's tweet.
 
2013-03-07 03:27:00 PM  

titwrench: Mimic_Octopus: hillbillypharmacist: Death is totes the right punishment for stealing a car.

death is the appropriate punishment for people that say "totes" and "cray cray" or use "tweet" as a verb or as anything other than to describe that little cartoon bird from the 70s or 80s for that matter.  you are not edgy or hip, you sound like a farking retard.

and yes for trespassing and stealing a car, it is fine, it is not like they found a car in a public place with the keys in it.

Tweet is a verb and a noun. A bird can tweet and it would be a bird's tweet.


Especially if he rocks in the treetops, all day long.
 
2013-03-07 03:29:07 PM  
Thievery is wrong and should be pursued by the law but if you own any material, non-living object that you think is worth someone's life coming to an end over, you are far, far more immoral than any thief.
 
2013-03-07 03:33:43 PM  

gshepnyc: Thievery is wrong and should be pursued by the law but if you own any material, non-living object that you think is worth someone's life coming to an end over, you are far, far more immoral than any thief.


Don't sweat it - people say a lot of stuff on the Internet that they would never really do.
 
2013-03-07 03:34:42 PM  

gshepnyc: Thievery is wrong and should be pursued by the law but if you own any material, non-living object that you think is worth someone's life coming to an end over, you are far, far more immoral than any thief.


Hey! don't use your yankee, pansy loving, internet pussy,  common sense around farkganistan.
 
2013-03-07 03:35:42 PM  

MrJesus: At least, that's what Jose El Primero told me.


That Jose El Primero guy is a rat bastard. Always with the "I'm #1!" crap.
 
2013-03-07 03:36:38 PM  

jso2897: gshepnyc: Thievery is wrong and should be pursued by the law but if you own any material, non-living object that you think is worth someone's life coming to an end over, you are far, far more immoral than any thief.

Don't sweat it - people say a lot of stuff on the Internet that they would never really do.


Internet tough-guy syndrome.

/it's more common than you think
//don't ever say that to my face IRL, punk
 
2013-03-07 03:40:26 PM  

DarkSoulNoHope: kingoomieiii: Okay, you know you need to get through training and orientation to enact justice as a Judge, right?

[global.fncstatic.com image 660x371]

But don't worry, he'll fix you afterward.

[th06.deviantart.net image 850x478]


You just ruined both movies for me.
 
2013-03-07 03:40:44 PM  
On the one hand, my attitude toward people engaged in acts of thievery, vandalism, breaking and entering etc. is that they're the ones who put themselves in that situation so whatever happens to them is their own fault. I don't generally get to concerned about some idiot who gets shot in the face as he's climbing through somebody else's front window at 2:00 AM.

On the other hand, I also tend to take a dim view of people who bluster about their willingness to shoot others because it generally indicates a weak-minded, unstable individual who probably shouldn't have a gun to begin with.
 
2013-03-07 03:41:10 PM  
Also, thieves and trespassers should be shot by the owners if caught.
 
2013-03-07 03:47:00 PM  

Mulchpuppy: Well, if he didn't want his stuff stolen, he shouldn't have dressed it like that.


Exactly. Well done!
 
2013-03-07 03:50:25 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Mulchpuppy: Well, if he didn't want his stuff stolen, he shouldn't have dressed it like that.

Exactly. Well done!


Actually, I saw that guy on the video - and no one should ever dress like that, for any reason or under any circumstances. Guy looks like a walking load of dirty laundry.
 
2013-03-07 04:00:18 PM  

skozlaw: On the one hand, my attitude toward people engaged in acts of thievery, vandalism, breaking and entering etc. is that they're the ones who put themselves in that situation so whatever happens to them is their own fault. I don't generally get to concerned about some idiot who gets shot in the face as he's climbing through somebody else's front window at 2:00 AM.

On the other hand, I also tend to take a dim view of people who bluster about their willingness to shoot others because it generally indicates a weak-minded, unstable individual who probably shouldn't have a gun to begin with.


Well, so which hand will react when someone crawls through you window at 2 am?  The weak-minded hand holding the gun or the self righteous hand that is holding a dim view of the other hand.  I do get your later point, but I am not sold that this business owner fully falls into the weak-minded group just yet.  Leaning that way, but a lot of people that arm themselves don't celebrate the thought of killing.  Most are just fine not having to ever face those circumstances.  His thoughts may be more along the line of putting a security sign out front to deter.  I doubt anyone will get shot.
 
2013-03-07 04:02:15 PM  

Yogimus: You just ruined both movies for me.


He was willing to do the entire movie with a mask almost completely covering his face. Arnold Schwarzenegger backed out of Judge Dredd because he would have his face covered some of the time.
 
2013-03-07 04:06:38 PM  

skozlaw: On the one hand, my attitude toward people engaged in acts of thievery, vandalism, breaking and entering etc. is that they're the ones who put themselves in that situation so whatever happens to them is their own fault. I don't generally get to concerned about some idiot who gets shot in the face as he's climbing through somebody else's front window at 2:00 AM.

On the other hand, I also tend to take a dim view of people who bluster about their willingness to shoot others because it generally indicates a weak-minded, unstable individual who probably shouldn't have a gun to begin with.


And those who talk about how they're eager to have sex are clearly rapists by your logic.
 
2013-03-07 04:20:31 PM  

lack of warmth: Leaning that way, but a lot of people that arm themselves don't celebrate the thought of killing.


For example... by putting up a big sign threatening to do so...

I don't have a problem with people defending themselves or their property with guns. I do have a problem with people with guns proactively threatening to use them in a non-specific way against unspecified people. It doesn't exactly speak well to their ability to reason.

Securitywyrm: And those who talk about how they're eager to have sex are clearly rapists by your logic.


No such thing, of course, since that analogy made absolutely no sense.
 
2013-03-07 04:24:33 PM  

Okieboy: Someone should totally steal that sign!


Or reprogram it to say "FREE TRUCKS!"
 
2013-03-07 04:31:29 PM  

hideous: amazing how many of the comments are on the side of thieves.  Small businesses, especially today, have such a small profit margin, $75g could bankrupt one easily.  Thieves endanger honest people's ability to provide for our families.  And, right v wrong I guess is a dead concept, so I supposed any consequences to stealing would be unfair.

And lastly, it isn't like they were stealing a loaf of bread, Targeted theft of sellable and specific parts in some cases, shows these were people who do this so they don't have to get up and go bust their asses at a job with the rest of us.


So, when an executive steals millions from stockholders, death?
 
2013-03-07 04:47:04 PM  

lack of warmth: BAMFinator: NeoCortex42: loveblondieo: "We've had a Ford pickup truck stolen. We've had a van stolen. We've had a walking floor trailer stolen, and we've had people who've tried to steal radiators out of the trucks,

How the fark do you get these stolen from you?

For the $75,000 he lost, he could have probably afforded a decent fence and security system.

I drive by this place every day. Lots of big equipment, no fence and only a flimsy gate.

/the sign makes me laugh every day.

What is the gate attached to?  Is it just free standing and no one bothers to open it and just goes around?  You might as well put tape on the floor and ask everyone to treat the tapeline like your office walls.


The water ditch keeps you from driving off directly, but the gate is not much.
 
2013-03-07 04:53:50 PM  

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: fredklein: deanis: I don't care how you want to describe the act of killing someone for thievery. I don't believe that property is equal to a human life.

Cool. Then you let the thieves get away with it, while the rest of us shoot them dead.

We'll see who still has stuff at the end of the week.

We'll see who gets into heaven.


We'll see who gets into Valhalla.
 
2013-03-07 05:00:50 PM  

fredklein: Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: fredklein: deanis: I don't care how you want to describe the act of killing someone for thievery. I don't believe that property is equal to a human life.

Cool. Then you let the thieves get away with it, while the rest of us shoot them dead.

We'll see who still has stuff at the end of the week.

We'll see who gets into heaven.

We'll see who gets into Valhalla.


We'll see who gets into Bolognese
 
2013-03-07 05:05:02 PM  

cgraves67: ZAZ: "It's very disheartening when they (thieves) do get caught and the judges don't give them any time."

Do people who shoot thieves get time in South Carolina?

Only if they stupidly report the murder to the police. Just dig the bullets out and dump the body on a disused road. If anyone knows what he was doing when he went missing, they won't talk to the police.


He was just getting his life turned around, and was about to sign a record deal...
 
2013-03-07 05:05:10 PM  

skozlaw: lack of warmth: Leaning that way, but a lot of people that arm themselves don't celebrate the thought of killing.

For example... by putting up a big sign threatening to do so...

I don't have a problem with people defending themselves or their property with guns. I do have a problem with people with guns proactively threatening to use them in a non-specific way against unspecified people. It doesn't exactly speak well to their ability to reason.

Securitywyrm: And those who talk about how they're eager to have sex are clearly rapists by your logic.

No such thing, of course, since that analogy made absolutely no sense.


You'll be defending yourself with the self righteous hand looking dimly at the weak minded thief taking your stuff.  Got it, good luck.
 
2013-03-07 05:17:21 PM  
The other half of his "securtiy plan" is to have gunshots pre-recorded and play them randomly throughout the night. Thieves will hear the gunshots and figure someone else just got shot and get moving in reverse quick-like.
 
2013-03-07 05:22:42 PM  
"Why is this man shot 30 times?"

"It's all the bullets we had at the time."
 
2013-03-07 05:25:39 PM  

TheOther: Endive Wombat: hillbillypharmacist: Death is totes the right punishment for stealing a car.

So, devils advocate time...

Who says that the theft of my car is any less important than the theft of anything else or anyone else's possessions?  I've worked honestly and hard to be able to buy my car, I need my car to get to and from work, run errands, and to experience life.  The very act of stealing my car is prohibiting me from doing what I need to do in my life, and prohibiting me from enjoying my life the way I want to...you are negatively affecting my livelihood and my ability to get around in a meaningful way.

What is valuable to me, may not be as valuable to you and vice versa, that being said,who are you to tell me that my possessions are not worth defending if someone is trying to take them from me?
If you are willing to steal a car, you have to accept the possibility that the car you are stealing means a lot to the person it is getting stolen from.

If I adopt your valuation that a radiator is worth a life, can I shoot you and just give a radiator as compensation?


Is he a thief? Those people are not even worth a radiator.
 
2013-03-07 05:40:38 PM  

redlegrick: Okieboy: Someone should totally steal that sign!

Ha! The guy didn't say thieves would be killed. He just said they'd be shot. There is a difference, you know...


True.  The guy could be a big proponent of flu vaccinations.
 
2013-03-07 05:42:28 PM  
so i guess alot of people are just ok with other people taking the stuff they work very hard for.  or, unlike me, they don't work hard for what they have, so they just don't care?  $75K could easily put a small business under.  i'm not an itg i don't think, but i'm ok with protecting your property.
 
2013-03-07 06:00:34 PM  
Come on, people, if you are on someone's property stealing shiat, you know you are somewhere you are not supposed to be, and you know you are doing something that you are not supposed to be doing. If someone shoots you, too bad, buh-bye.
 
2013-03-07 06:34:10 PM  
Thieves are why the good Lord made shotgun cartridges you can fill with road salt.

A reasonable deterrent to theft, when the item is something like a car or house that a person depends on for their livelihood or shelter, or incapacitating a person long enough for the proper authorities to get there is a fine use of the Second Amendment. Taking a human life to prevent the theft of a thing, however, is not. You only get to kill when it's your life, body or loved ones at risk. I also think that Shepherd Book's 'kneecap loophole' is okay for thieves, but you have to put a compress on their leg after you zip-tie their hands and ask 911 for an ambulance.
 
2013-03-07 06:34:53 PM  

js34603: It amazes me how fast it goes from "I am able to use deadly force to protect my property" to "I can't wait to use deadly force to maybe protect my property but to definitely shoot someone!"

It is also amazing how people who have never shot someone are so eager to do so while people who have shot someone tend to have a little different perspective. Even people who "justifiably" shot someone tend not to be in the "I'll blast ya if you trespass on my land" crowd. It's almost like that crowd is over compensating by acting really tough and talking about how eager they are to shoot someone.


The "never shot someone" group also seem to ridiculously over-estimate their shooting ability.  They're completely confident that in a stressful situation such as coming across a robbery they will be able to draw, load, aim, and fire their weapon accurately. Never mind that the bad guy might also be armed, may not be alone, is probably running or otherwise moving around, is probably on edge themselves, might be on something or just plain crazy and therefore might act irrationally, is probably under some cover of darkness, rain, or fog (as noted in the article), and so on and so on.  Professional soldiers and law enforcement would have trouble in this situation, but Jim Bob the junkyard owner?  No problem at all.
 
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