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(Chicago Trib)   "Ties to sex abuse could disqualify papal candidates," claims Cardinal George, who apparently doesn't realize that could reduce the field to one or two (or zero)   (chicagotribune.com) divider line 56
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2013-03-07 11:12:46 AM  
Zero. The answer is zero cardinals with no ties to cover-ups of sexual abuse. Zero.
 
2013-03-07 11:13:18 AM  
Yeah. Too bad we just lost Ratzinger. He was really doing his damnedest to track down those pedophiles.

LOL
 
2013-03-07 11:15:36 AM  
Cardinal George thinks that was wrong, they should not have done that. Cannot plead ignorance on this thing.
 
2013-03-07 11:16:37 AM  
We must all pray that this conclave have the guidance of God to select the candidate with the moral fortitude to make the wrong decisions.
 
2013-03-07 11:17:31 AM  
Well since there's only 1 opening what's wrong with narrowing the field that way. If there is a Cardinal out there with clean hands on this then they should be the freakin Pope.
 
2013-03-07 11:17:36 AM  
Zero. Catholicism is dead. Bury it.
 
2013-03-07 11:19:00 AM  
"Could" disqualify a candidate from being Pope?

Really?  "Could"?

How about "will absolutely" or "shall in no uncertain terms"?  Anything but "could"?
 
2013-03-07 11:19:08 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Yeah. Too bad we just lost Ratzinger. He was really doing his damnedest to track down those pedophiles.


Well, no, he actually did do a lot as a Cardinal to track down sex offenders.

Now how exactly does Benedictine XVI get all of the blame for this while John Paul II gets a squeaky clean reputation? I've never figured that out.
 
2013-03-07 11:19:47 AM  
I still say Papal Thunderdome is the best way to decide this.

Last Cardinal alive lights the fire and take the big pointy hat.
 
2013-03-07 11:20:58 AM  
I genuinely hope they just pick another 80-year-old bigot hardliner to make sure the church never recaptures its relevance with the younger generations.
 
2013-03-07 11:21:02 AM  
So, lemme get this straight, an organization rife with child abuse and molestation is indirectly called out by one of it's own, says any possible papal candidates should be discounted as such if any past wrongdoings are known?

/yeah, good thing the last pope made sure things were transparent and any guilty parties were known of, kicked out of the job and charged
//oh, right, that never happened
 
2013-03-07 11:21:59 AM  
When I was in grade school and we learned how a new Poop, er Pope, was selected, I always imagined there was some kind of Red God Phone. You know, like it would light up and someone would say "God, on The Line..."
 
2013-03-07 11:23:41 AM  

Baron Harkonnen: AverageAmericanGuy: Yeah. Too bad we just lost Ratzinger. He was really doing his damnedest to track down those pedophiles.

Well, no, he actually did do a lot as a Cardinal to track down sex offenders.

Now how exactly does Benedictine XVI get all of the blame for this while John Paul II gets a squeaky clean reputation? I've never figured that out.


I don't read a lot of news/editorial writing on Catholicism but Andrew Sullivan at least holds them both accountable.
 
2013-03-07 11:23:55 AM  

loaba: When I was in grade school and we learned how a new Poop, er Pope, was selected, I always imagined there was some kind of Red God Phone. You know, like it would light up and someone would say "God, on The Line..."


That phone was in Tulsa at Oral Robert's house. It's disconnected now.
 
2013-03-07 11:24:34 AM  

THX 1138: "Could" disqualify a candidate from being Pope?

Really?  "Could"?

How about "will absolutely" or "shall in no uncertain terms"?  Anything but "could"?


[gigantic, red, flash]This[///]
 
2013-03-07 11:25:36 AM  
He also said ties to anyone guilty of sexual misconduct - whether intended or unintended - could put a man's candidacy in question if it could distract from his spiritual mission.


What the fark is "unintended sexual misconduct"?? Oh, and fark you for not mentioning the victims at all as a reason to disqualify a boy raping preist. Those children aren't a "distraction". They're human beings.
 
2013-03-07 11:31:36 AM  

WorkingInParadise: loaba: When I was in grade school and we learned how a new Poop, er Pope, was selected, I always imagined there was some kind of Red God Phone. You know, like it would light up and someone would say "God, on The Line..."

That phone was in Tulsa at Oral Robert's house. It's disconnected now.


Thats because God doesn't use landlines anymore. He gave Fred Phelps a boost mobile phone but its always running out of minutes.
 
2013-03-07 11:31:43 AM  
These guys should DEFINITELY be disqualified:

southparkstudios.mtvnimages.com
 
2013-03-07 11:34:06 AM  
Hey subby... The whole farking point is to narrow the field to one candidate, since there's only one point.
What they do is keep raising the bar until there is only one dude who matches the criteria they set and then he's the pope. If they accidentally raise it too high and that number drops to 'zero' they go 'oops' and drop the standard back down.
That's why he said 'could' not 'will definitely.'

/thinks this is one case where 'will definitely' fits the bill.
//will definitely result in the church bringing back drawing and quartering.
 
2013-03-07 11:35:54 AM  
At least they acknowledge its existence.
 
2013-03-07 11:36:03 AM  

Baron Harkonnen: Now how exactly does Benedictine XVI get all of the blame for this while John Paul II gets a squeaky clean reputation? I've never figured that out.


Easy. JP2 looked and acted like your kindly grandfather, while B16 looked like and acted like that weasely-faced guy jerking off under his raincoat.

www.lifesitenews.com
 
2013-03-07 11:40:30 AM  

Baron Harkonnen: AverageAmericanGuy: Yeah. Too bad we just lost Ratzinger. He was really doing his damnedest to track down those pedophiles.

Well, no, he actually did do a lot as a Cardinal to track down sex offenders.


Citation required.

You know, just like the last time you made this claim, and completely failed to back it up.
 
2013-03-07 11:40:55 AM  
Wow. Pope Harry Freakus the First suddenly leaps from the pack.
 
2013-03-07 11:41:41 AM  

Digitalstrange: If there is a Cardinal out there with clean hands on this then they should be the freakin Pope.


they?  you mean his hands should be the pope?
 
2013-03-07 11:47:41 AM  
"He also said ties to anyone guilty of sexual misconduct - whether intended or unintended - could put a man's candidacy in question if it could distract from his spiritual mission."

The phrasing belongs to the reporter, but if it accurately reflects what Cardinal George said, it's total horseshiat. Note the coulds and the if: seems like a guilty candidate would still be a-ok if his guilt would not "distract from his spiritual mission." One wonders precisely what that means.
 
2013-03-07 11:47:42 AM  

THX 1138: "Could" disqualify a candidate from being Pope?

Really?  "Could"?

How about "will absolutely" or "shall in no uncertain terms"?  Anything but "could"?


What I was thinking.
 
2013-03-07 11:49:00 AM  
"could "

Not will, not has, not no farking way  .  .  .   could
 
2013-03-07 11:49:50 AM  
AverageAmericanGuy


Yeah. Too bad we just lost Ratzinger. He was really doing his damnedest to track down those pedophiles.

LOL


upload.wikimedia.org

"You know, pedophenlia or peadophenalia has it's links to the dark ages. Because it was dark, people would mistake the local day care center with the houses of il reputing and the customers would mistake the child for dwarf prostitutes. Of course, you'd think that this would stop when the candle was invented but the lack of dwarf prostitutes and the desire for such make the pedofeinds continue with their errant ways even to this day.
 
2013-03-07 11:51:21 AM  

and Natasha: "He also said ties to anyone guilty of sexual misconduct - whether intended or unintended - could put a man's candidacy in question if it could distract from his spiritual mission."

The phrasing belongs to the reporter, but if it accurately reflects what Cardinal George said, it's total horseshiat. Note the coulds and the if: seems like a guilty candidate would still be a-ok if his guilt would not "distract from his spiritual mission." One wonders precisely what that means.


Later in the article: "To be chosen as pope, George said a man should have a spotless record. Any connection to wrongdoing could overshadow his witness."

A bit stronger, but notice that "could" again. I can't tell if the reporter is being shiatty with subjunctives or accurately paraphrasing. Grammar aside, would it have killed them to say "anyone who diddled kids, or protected a kiddy diddler, has absolutely no business being Pope" ?
 
2013-03-07 11:52:00 AM  
The whore of Babylon
 
2013-03-07 11:53:00 AM  

Harry Freakstorm: AverageAmericanGuy


Yeah. Too bad we just lost Ratzinger. He was really doing his damnedest to track down those pedophiles.

LOL

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x220]

"You know, pedophenlia or peadophenalia has it's links to the dark ages. Because it was dark, people would mistake the local day care center with the houses of il reputing and the customers would mistake the child for dwarf prostitutes. Of course, you'd think that this would stop when the candle was invented but the lack of dwarf prostitutes and the desire for such make the pedofeinds continue with their errant ways even to this day.


A Cliff reference? And I read it in his voice.

/You sound old
//+1
 
2013-03-07 11:53:39 AM  

DammitIForgotMyLogin: Citation required.

You know, just like the last time you made this claim, and completely failed to back it up.


Last time, I did give an example. And I'm glad I checked back with this thread before I logged off, so I can't be accused of threadshiatting.

Link


Scroll down to "Sexual Abuse in the Catholic Church" and read. And yeah, I know, Wikipedia, but still, those are the facts and I don't feel like playing internet link presenter at this late of hour. If you want to contest them, go ahead, and while i will read your rebuttal later I'm not going to be online anymore to give you a reply in this thread.
 
2013-03-07 11:54:57 AM  
There is zero tolerance at the Parish level (in the US). Everyone gets a BCI. Everyone has to take training.

There MUST be zero tolerance in the Vatican, too.
 
2013-03-07 11:58:26 AM  

Baron Harkonnen: AverageAmericanGuy: Yeah. Too bad we just lost Ratzinger. He was really doing his damnedest to track down those pedophiles.

Well, no, he actually did do a lot as a Cardinal to track down sex offenders.

Now how exactly does Benedictine XVI get all of the blame for this while John Paul II gets a squeaky clean reputation? I've never figured that out.


Rasto was in charge of the Office of Inquisition (basically the Church's HR dept) during the time in question,  and he's the one who orchestrated a lot of the cover ups and the spiriting of Cardinal Law out of the country to ensure he wouldn't face criminal charges.  JPII wwas seen as the Church's idea guy and Ratso was the day to day ops guy.

As far as Cardinal George's comments, I applaud them.  he does seem to be one of the genuine good guys in the hirearchy,  his first act when coming to Chicago was to try to sell the bishop's residence as the thing was a mansion sitting on about a dozen acres of prime Chicago real estate ( worth 8-9 figures all totalled) and as such was, in his words "no Fit house for a priest" especially in a city with as many poor and needy as Chicago.  And despite some recent homophobic comments, I remeber when I lived in Chicago (01-04) I lived in Lakeview (Chicago's gay neighborhood, as I found out after I moved there-NTTAWWT) The local catholic church had a weekly AGLO mass- which stood for the Archbishop's Gay and Lesbian Outreach, which was usually presided over by openly gay priests who sermons tended toward emphasizing the importance of loving those God put in your life to love, rather than the hellfire and damnation that surely awaited all sodomites.  Was one of the first times in my adult life that I was proud of my Church for a non-charitable activity
 
2013-03-07 11:59:30 AM  

and Natasha: and Natasha: "He also said ties to anyone guilty of sexual misconduct - whether intended or unintended - could put a man's candidacy in question if it could distract from his spiritual mission."

The phrasing belongs to the reporter, but if it accurately reflects what Cardinal George said, it's total horseshiat. Note the coulds and the if: seems like a guilty candidate would still be a-ok if his guilt would not "distract from his spiritual mission." One wonders precisely what that means.

Later in the article: "To be chosen as pope, George said a man should have a spotless record. Any connection to wrongdoing could overshadow his witness."

A bit stronger, but notice that "could" again. I can't tell if the reporter is being shiatty with subjunctives or accurately paraphrasing. Grammar aside, would it have killed them to say "anyone who diddled kids, or protected a kiddy diddler, has absolutely no business being Pope" ?


As much as I dislike the modern Catholic church, I think I'm going with "standard crappy reporter-speak".  Very few public mouthpieces hedge their words like those claiming to repeat the words of others.
 
2013-03-07 12:02:48 PM  
So, the new Pope's not going to be Catholic?

\guess I'll have to go back to using "Does a bear shiat in the woods?" for my sarcastic retorts...
 
2013-03-07 12:07:52 PM  

over_and_done: and Natasha: and Natasha: "He also said ties to anyone guilty of sexual misconduct - whether intended or unintended - could put a man's candidacy in question if it could distract from his spiritual mission."

The phrasing belongs to the reporter, but if it accurately reflects what Cardinal George said, it's total horseshiat. Note the coulds and the if: seems like a guilty candidate would still be a-ok if his guilt would not "distract from his spiritual mission." One wonders precisely what that means.

Later in the article: "To be chosen as pope, George said a man should have a spotless record. Any connection to wrongdoing could overshadow his witness."

A bit stronger, but notice that "could" again. I can't tell if the reporter is being shiatty with subjunctives or accurately paraphrasing. Grammar aside, would it have killed them to say "anyone who diddled kids, or protected a kiddy diddler, has absolutely no business being Pope" ?

As much as I dislike the modern Catholic church, I think I'm going with "standard crappy reporter-speak".  Very few public mouthpieces hedge their words like those claiming to repeat the words of others.


Yeah. I suppose. I just wish these farkers knew how to write.
 
2013-03-07 12:14:04 PM  

Stone Meadow: Baron Harkonnen: Now how exactly does Benedictine XVI get all of the blame for this while John Paul II gets a squeaky clean reputation? I've never figured that out.

Easy. JP2 looked and acted like your kindly grandfather, while B16 looked like and acted like that weasely-faced guy jerking off under his raincoat.

[www.lifesitenews.com image 405x284]


JP2 wasn't really an administrator:  he was a theologian and intellectual who left much of the the
day-to-day administration of the church to Cardinal Ratzinger (later Benedict XVI), especially in the
later years of his papacy when Parkinsons disease completely debilitated him.  I firmly believe that
Ratzinger knew the true extent of the sexual abuse scandals for a long time before even rumours came
out, and did zero about it

As lapsed a Catholic as I am, I truly think that JP2 was one of the greatest Popes in history, especially in
the area of ecumenical outreach to other religions and (to a smaller extent) attempts to update church
doctrine to be more in line with the modern world (not reform, mind you, just editing).  Except that his
near total silence on the question of sexual abuse by priests, however, almost completely
counterbalances all his holy works, and while I'm not letting him off the hook, I do think that between his
lack of experience with the more Machiavellian aspects of the curia and his infirmity there were many
vested interests in making sure he didn't do more than vague denounciations of bad things during  his
tenure.
 
2013-03-07 12:20:53 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: Except that his
near total silence on the question of sexual abuse by priests, however, almost completely
counterbalances all his holy works,


Plus insisting over and over to any African that would listen that wearing condoms causes HIV.
 
2013-03-07 12:27:31 PM  
Can someone explain to me how the Catholic Church isn't a Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organization again?
 
2013-03-07 12:30:04 PM  

Harry Freakstorm: AverageAmericanGuy


Yeah. Too bad we just lost Ratzinger. He was really doing his damnedest to track down those pedophiles.

LOL

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x220]

"You know, pedophenlia or peadophenalia has it's links to the dark ages. Because it was dark, people would mistake the local day care center with the houses of il reputing and the customers would mistake the child for dwarf prostitutes. Of course, you'd think that this would stop when the candle was invented but the lack of dwarf prostitutes and the desire for such make the pedofeinds continue with their errant ways even to this day.


Nice.
Like in all things Catholics are about traditions, and Fark is known for snark.
 
2013-03-07 12:34:17 PM  
DjangoStonereaver:  Except that his near total silence on the question of sexual abuse by priests, however, almost completely counterbalances all his holy works, and while I'm not letting him off the hook, I do think that between his
lack of experience with the more Machiavellian aspects of the curia and his infirmity there were many
vested interests in making sure he didn't do more than vague denounciations of bad things during  his
tenure.


Yeah, history is not going to be kind to JP2, and will not accept his humility and debility as excuses, his "holy works" notwithstanding. Just sayin'...
 
2013-03-07 12:51:23 PM  

Stone Meadow: DjangoStonereaver:  Except that his near total silence on the question of sexual abuse by priests, however, almost completely counterbalances all his holy works, and while I'm not letting him off the hook, I do think that between his
lack of experience with the more Machiavellian aspects of the curia and his infirmity there were many
vested interests in making sure he didn't do more than vague denounciations of bad things during  his
tenure.

Yeah, history is not going to be kind to JP2, and will not accept his humility and debility as excuses, his "holy works" notwithstanding. Just sayin'...


Though it does pain me, I agree.

I think Benedict's shameful fast-tracking of JP2 to canonization was driven by his desire to protect JP2's
legacy, which in turn arises from Benedict's own guilt, but that's just me.
 
2013-03-07 01:06:19 PM  

and Natasha: he phrasing belongs to the reporter, but if it accurately reflects what Cardinal George said, it's total horseshiat. Note the coulds and the if:


Also note that Cardinal George makes no mention of those guilty of hiding and protecting the child-rapers from the law.
 
2013-03-07 01:16:09 PM  

jaytkay: and Natasha: he phrasing belongs to the reporter, but if it accurately reflects what Cardinal George said, it's total horseshiat. Note the coulds and the if:

Also note that Cardinal George makes no mention of those guilty of hiding and protecting the child-rapers from the law.


He does say "ties to those" etc, which surely covers those who hid and protected the immediately guilty.

Ok, ok, surely SHOULD cover those.
 
2013-03-07 01:29:21 PM  
FTA -  David Clohessy, executive director of the Chicago-based Survivors Network of Those Abused by Priests, also known as SNAP,

www.muzakblog.com
 
2013-03-07 01:45:30 PM  
The Papacy is not limited to Cardinals, merely to Catholic men--don't even have to be ordained for the job. Excluding everyone with ties to child molestation would not mean zero Papal candidates, it would only mean very few to zero candidates currently ranking high in the Church at the moment.
 
2013-03-07 02:14:38 PM  
Maybe it's time for the Church to think outside the box. Instead of another old Catholic dude for Pope why not go for a middle aged, gay Canadian atheist?

I think Pope Ghastly has a pretty good ring to it.

I've been working on the new nun outfits too.

24.media.tumblr.com

And you think that one is hot, just wait until you see the ones the WOMEN get to wear.
 
2013-03-07 02:52:54 PM  
Devil's Advocate question:

Would using that sort of language prevent "witch hunts" where people who want the church paralyzed would try tying every potential candidate to pedophilia, no matter how weak?
 
2013-03-07 03:15:59 PM  

mbillips: Zero. The answer is zero cardinals with no ties to cover-ups of sexual abuse. Zero.


Well, he did qualify that criterion with "if it could distract from his spiritual mission," so all they have to do is  keep it under wraps.
 
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