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2013-03-07 12:57:03 PM

Farty McPooPants: They are based in NC but where are the bulbs made?  If they're made in China, no thanks.


They've got a nice factory right here in Durham. They even do the semiconductor fabbing here. I see that they bought a manufacturing facility in China a few years ago, but that was their first expansion outside North America, and I don't know whether it's come online yet. They're definitely talking about adding more jobs here to ramp up production for these bulbs, though.
 
2013-03-07 12:58:36 PM

TheGreatGazoo: have about half my house already converted to LED lighting, and this will probably get some more going that way. Throw in a 13 SEER air conditioner and a 92% efficient gas furnace and the old house is pretty cheap on the utilities.


More efficient lighting also helps that 13 SEER air conditioner.  Most people don't appreciate that their old 60W incandescent bulbs are basically 9W of lighting attached to a 51W space heater with no ventilation.
 
2013-03-07 01:00:28 PM

Sasquach: I couldn't help but notice the package doesn't mention Energy Star.

If these bulbs came in a pin base (anything other than screw in really) then appliance and fixture makers could adopt them.

/The fun world of Energy Star Luminaire rules


The article stated that they will have it "soon".
 
2013-03-07 01:03:25 PM

imfallen_angel: Got a deal off eBay for 12 x 40w equivalent for 25 $... cool looking, very bright in the light it gives, but one reason I got them was that I believed that they'd have protective circuitry, and my lights in the bathroom keep burning out (regular and CFL). Sadly, I've got one dead already and another that's appearing to be dying or is already.


Go hire an electrician to inspect your house top to bottom.  Incandescent bulbs aren't very sensitive to electrical problems, so if they're burning out there's something very wrong.  The electrician will probably charge a couple hundred bucks just for the inspection (before any repairs), but that's a lot cheaper than a fire.
 
2013-03-07 01:05:17 PM

TheGreatGazoo: Considering Energy Star 'certified' a gas powered alarm clock a few years ago, I'm not sure how much I care about the sticker.

I have about half my house already converted to LED lighting, and this will probably get some more going that way.  Throw in a 13 SEER air conditioner and a 92% efficient gas furnace and the old house is pretty cheap on the utilities.


I have to deal with Energy Star an awful lot and....those people did an awful lot of damage to a genuinely good program. Previously, a company used to be able to self identify their product category and other such data without filing a boatload of "under penalty of..." paperwork.

As there is no category for "gas powered alarm clock", these people fraudulently filed paperwork and likely faked test data. The program is a PAIN IN THE BUTT thanks to these people

/this is why we can't have nice things have lots of government regulations
 
2013-03-07 01:07:56 PM

KarmicDisaster: but I slipped one of these into the living room reading light about 6 months ago and she has not noticed heh


I applaud your efforts, but never forget that attempting to increase WAF (wife approval factor) for new technologies through stealth can be quite a dangerous game.

/a dangerous game
 
2013-03-07 01:08:01 PM

midigod: Sasquach: I couldn't help but notice the package doesn't mention Energy Star.

TFA does, though.  It helps if you read more than just the captions.



I'll have you know I was LOOKING AT THE PICTURES!

Regardless, please give me a pin based configuration...and maybe a down light style?
 
2013-03-07 01:13:23 PM

H31N0US: No thanks, you can keep your libtard non-american light bulbs. If monofilement was good enough for Thomas Edison, it's good enough for me.


-1/10
 
2013-03-07 01:14:58 PM

lilbjorn: You might want to also check out this even more efficient light bulb on KickStarter:

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/619878070/nanolight-the-worlds-m os t-energy-efficient-lightbu


$30 for a single bulb?  $100 is you want the 100w equivalent?  Power efficient, maybe, but not economically.
 
2013-03-07 01:15:04 PM
Those things give you cancer.
 
2013-03-07 01:17:10 PM
Some specs from Home Depot for the Cree daylight-spectrum (screw that yellow garbage) bulb:

Brightness: 800 lumensEstimated yearly energy cost: $1.08 (based on 3 hrs/day, 11 cents.kWh. costs depend on rates and use)Life Hours: 22.8 years (based on 3 hrs/day)Light Appearance: 5000K (daylight)Energy Used: 9 Watts (equivalent to a 60 Watt standard incandescent light bulb)Lumens per Watt: 88Contains mercury: NoIndoor/outdoor use (damp rated)A19 Bulb shape with medium baseDimmable: yes For comparison, the equivalent 60W incandescent would cost $7.23/bulb for less (and yellow-ish) light, probably paid in Patriot Gold Crying Eagle coins, and would burn out 25x as often:
Brightness: 630 lumensEstimated Yearly Energy Cost: $7.23 (Based on 3 hrs/day, 11¢/kWh. Cost depends on rates and use)Life: 0.9 years (Based on 3hrs/day)Light Appearance:2850 (color enhanced)Energy used: 60 wattsLumens per Watt: 10.5For general purpose use indoorsA19 shape with medium base
 
2013-03-07 01:17:54 PM

jaylectricity: Still need to buy special dimmers?


I find they work fine with normal dimmers.  However, when you dim a LED, the colour temperature doesn't change.

And if you do use a dimmer meant for LED, you can dim the LED extremely low.  I have one in my daughter's room and when it's all the way down it functions as a night light.  It's great.
 
2013-03-07 01:19:23 PM

the_sidewinder: jfarkinB: I'm happy as a clam about these bulbs, though, and not just because I've got a nice long position in Cree.

You work for Cree? When can I expect to see these lights in Canada?


I wish.
 
2013-03-07 01:34:05 PM

Dazrin: H31N0US: No thanks, you can keep your libtard non-american light bulbs. If monofilement was good enough for Thomas Edison, it's good enough for me.

Cree is an American company.

/I know, I know...


I can't find the location of manufacture on the bulbs from their website, I guess to find that out I'll have to go to Home Depot and look at the box
 
2013-03-07 01:45:05 PM

loonatic112358: Dazrin: H31N0US: No thanks, you can keep your libtard non-american light bulbs. If monofilement was good enough for Thomas Edison, it's good enough for me.

Cree is an American company.

/I know, I know...

I can't find the location of manufacture on the bulbs from their website, I guess to find that out I'll have to go to Home Depot and look at the box


They have facilities in Hong Kong and Huizhou, China.  One is an LED manufacturing plant, the other a chip and component manufacturing plant.  However, they also purchased Ruud Lighting in Racine, WI back in 2011 and have added a significant workforce to their Durham, NC plant.  My guess would be manufactured in China and assembled in the U.S. so that they can get TAA compliance, but that is just a guess.
 
2013-03-07 01:46:36 PM

RexTalionis: We've been conditioned to expect warm lighting in the evenings for thousands of years. That kind of daylight-ish white light is just weird at night. My bedroom uses the daylight-style bulbs and my living room uses more yellowish bulbs and my bedroom is way less inviting a place than my living room, probably explaining my lack of success with the ladies.


Hundreds of thousands of years living next to campfires will do that to your genes.
 
2013-03-07 01:48:42 PM
chimp_ninja:
(*): For the inevitable "CFLs done lasted 15 minutes in my housetrailerdungeon" post, get your wiring checked and buy a reputable brand, not the cheapest thing on the shelf. But it's probably your wiring.

...or lightning strikes. I lost a couple of CFLs when the power got zapped. Not common, but it does happen.

The CFL tubes themselves are pretty resistant, but the ballast circuits are easily fried.
 
2013-03-07 01:54:07 PM
Conservatives still won't buy them cause you wouldn't want the granola eaters to be right.
 
2013-03-07 01:54:56 PM
This is great, but what a really want in an LED incandescent replacement bulb is a 3 way bulb rated at 60, 100, and 150.
 
2013-03-07 01:56:49 PM

KarmicDisaster: jaylectricity: Still need to buy special dimmers?

Not for the Philips ones, they are dimmable, if that is a word.


The documentation on these says they're dimmable using a regular incandescent dimmer switch.
 
2013-03-07 01:57:39 PM
Holy shiat. I had no idea light bulb geeks were a thing. I bow to your guys unbelievable knowledge about something so inconsequential.
 
2013-03-07 02:01:05 PM

drewogatory: Holy shiat. I had no idea light bulb geeks were a thing. I bow to your guys unbelievable knowledge about something so inconsequential.


How many light bulbs do you have in your house? How many do you purchase in a year?  Do you like being able to see at night?

While the minute details of how light bulbs work and why one is superior to another might not be important in your day-to-day life, they're hardly "inconsequential".

/not a light bulb geek, just a regular geek
 
2013-03-07 02:02:35 PM
Wake me when the LED bulb market can match at least a 100 watt incandescent output. My house has many built in ceiling "can lights" and there are only so many of them. They currently have 100-120 watt bulbs. 60 watt equivalent ain't gonna cut it.
 
2013-03-07 02:05:41 PM

Rwa2play: Kazan: 2700K? Aka "Incandescent Piss-tinge"? fark that shiat.

This.  Recently bought some 75-watt daylight CFL bulbs for my nightstand.  Best. Bulbs. Ever.


Until you break one on the carpet and you have to spend the next four hours on the floor with duct tape because the vacuum cleaner will cause any spilled mercury to go airborne.

Seriously, cleaning up a broken CFL is a colossal PITA.
 
2013-03-07 02:11:17 PM
60W-equivalent CFLs cost between $1 and $2 and only consume 12W or 13W.

However, I assume the LED is dimmable, it would be worth it for those types of lights.
 
2013-03-07 02:12:21 PM

SpectroBoy: Wake me when the LED bulb market can match at least a 100 watt incandescent output. My house has many built in ceiling "can lights" and there are only so many of them. They currently have 100-120 watt bulbs. 60 watt equivalent ain't gonna cut it.


Reflectors, or omnidirectional?
 
2013-03-07 02:12:44 PM
FTFA "Buyers have been able to pick up a 40W-equivalent Ecosmart LEDs at Home Depot for $9.97 for some time now, but it's not a great bulb."

Did they describe what they didn't like about the Ecosmart bulbs in an earlier article? Granted, my apartment mostly has ceiling fixtures so these bulbs work perfectly well. I tested one in a desk lamp for a new pre-sleep reading light, but not surprisingly there wasn't enough ambient light to make it worth switching from the CFL I currently use. Maybe this new bulb will solve that problem.
 
2013-03-07 02:15:36 PM

jehovahs witness protection: But will it work in an Easybake Oven?


better yet, will it work in a REAL oven? Still waiting for that indestructible 40W-equivalent 'utility bulb'.

I have a variety of LED bulbs, and like most of them. But it will take awhile for Joe Sixpack to catch on at these prices.
 
2013-03-07 02:16:14 PM

chimp_ninja: imfallen_angel: Got a deal off eBay for 12 x 40w equivalent for 25 $... cool looking, very bright in the light it gives, but one reason I got them was that I believed that they'd have protective circuitry, and my lights in the bathroom keep burning out (regular and CFL). Sadly, I've got one dead already and another that's appearing to be dying or is already.

Go hire an electrician to inspect your house top to bottom.  Incandescent bulbs aren't very sensitive to electrical problems, so if they're burning out there's something very wrong.  The electrician will probably charge a couple hundred bucks just for the inspection (before any repairs), but that's a lot cheaper than a fire.


Considered it and will do at some point, but I expect that it's not just a internal power thing as the city's power is always fluctuating here (even if in middle of city)... I get more power outage than country folks... even had to get a generator after two power outs that lasted a few days.

It's really weird... and very annoying... I now have an UPS with full display and I can see the brown outs and the spikes happening on a regular basis...

So if I bring an electrician in, I'll probably go with some sort of power filter... heck if I could afford it, a full backup system... even go solar.. but, not rich like some Farkers with their wicked setups I've read from some.
 
2013-03-07 02:18:39 PM
Home Depot already has LED lights for under $10 from EcoSmart, and they are the same price pojnts as Cree and have a 50k hour rating on them instead of 25k and they too are already energy star compliant.  Cree is offering nothing new, slightly worse product for the same cost and this is big exciting news why?
 
2013-03-07 02:22:02 PM

jonny_q: 60W-equivalent CFLs cost between $1 and $2 and only consume 12W or 13W.

However, I assume the LED is dimmable, it would be worth it for those types of lights.


Yeah, CFL's are great, the only three real drawbacks in my mind are: Mercury cleanup (mentioned above), not dimmable, and the "warm-up" can be annoying, especially in colder areas (I have one in my garage).

LED's address all of these, and are even a little bit better on energy.  Really the ONLY drawback to LED lights that I can think of is the initial cost...and historically, the costs should start continue to drop as they become more ubiquitous.  Oh, the cost and some of them have problems with "flickering"...we have a small LED reading lamp that will flicker inexplicably (try saying that 3 times fast!).  My in-laws got some of the early LED bulbs (Phillips I think) to use on their ceiling fixture in the living room, because the ceiling it is 16' AFF and a paint to replace bulbs, so the long life was what sold them on the idea.  Then, my mother-in-law started getting migraines from the bulbs.  Well, she always got migraines, but this apparently got added to the list of triggers.

/We live in the future
 
2013-03-07 02:23:29 PM

drewogatory: Holy shiat. I had no idea light bulb geeks were a thing. I bow to your guys unbelievable knowledge about something so inconsequential.


There are entire forums dedicated to flashlights.  No, not flEshlights, you pervert.  FlAshlights.

And knives.

And guns.

There is a lot of user overlap among them.
 
2013-03-07 02:27:00 PM

Cyrorm: Home Depot already has LED lights for under $10 from EcoSmart, and they are the same price pojnts as Cree and have a 50k hour rating on them instead of 25k and they too are already energy star compliant.  Cree is offering nothing new, slightly worse product for the same cost and this is big exciting news why?


Perhaps reading the article might shed a little light on it:

The first point of attack is price. Breaking the $15 and $10 marks is big but, importantly, Cree is doing it with a quality lamp. Buyers have been able to pick up a 40W-equivalent Ecosmart LEDs at Home Depot for $9.97 for some time now, but it's not a great bulb.
 
2013-03-07 02:28:12 PM

Parthenogenetic: drewogatory: Holy shiat. I had no idea light bulb geeks were a thing. I bow to your guys unbelievable knowledge about something so inconsequential.

There are entire forums dedicated to flashlights.  No, not flEshlights, you pervert.  FlAshlights.

And knives.

And guns.

There is a lot of user overlap among them.


I'm in the firearms industry, so, believe me, I know. I actually wasn't being snarky, I love people with random (to me) knowledge bases.
 
2013-03-07 02:32:38 PM

Kazan: vpb: I suspect they just don't like change.

yes.

RexTalionis: Because people like warmer colors and that warmer lighting is easier on the eyes.

but.. but.. that's not warmer! that's a colder black body equivalent!!!

:P (yes i know "warm color palette" vs "actual black body temperature")

I also disagree, that piss yellow light is dim, makes everything look like crap and is just generally ugly.


What does race have to do with this?  Racist.
 
2013-03-07 02:33:46 PM

Cyrorm: Home Depot already has LED lights for under $10 from EcoSmart, and they are the same price pojnts as Cree and have a 50k hour rating on them instead of 25k and they too are already energy star compliant.  Cree is offering nothing new, slightly worse product for the same cost and this is big exciting news why?


The 60W equivalent EcoSmarts are more expensive than the Crees, use more power and I'm not seeing any on the HD website that have that 50,000 hour life you claim (again, on a 60 watt equivalent)
 
2013-03-07 02:36:09 PM

sethen320: What does race have to do with this? Racist.


Smartass
 
2013-03-07 02:43:40 PM
Thanks to Fox News and Drudge Report, my dad was convinced that the push to switch from incandescent lighting to energy-efficient lighting was Obama's fault, and that the new bulbs cost around $75 each. Most of that money, apparently, was going into the Democrats' pockets or something like that.

/Argh. Fox News.
 
2013-03-07 02:54:05 PM
I was sold right up until the Home Depot exclusivity.
 
2013-03-07 02:55:50 PM

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: jonny_q: 60W-equivalent CFLs cost between $1 and $2 and only consume 12W or 13W.

However, I assume the LED is dimmable, it would be worth it for those types of lights.

Yeah, CFL's are great, the only three real drawbacks in my mind are: Mercury cleanup (mentioned above), not dimmable, and the "warm-up" can be annoying, especially in colder areas (I have one in my garage).

LED's address all of these, and are even a little bit better on energy.  Really the ONLY drawback to LED lights that I can think of is the initial cost...and historically, the costs should start continue to drop as they become more ubiquitous.  Oh, the cost and some of them have problems with "flickering"...we have a small LED reading lamp that will flicker inexplicably (try saying that 3 times fast!).  My in-laws got some of the early LED bulbs (Phillips I think) to use on their ceiling fixture in the living room, because the ceiling it is 16' AFF and a paint to replace bulbs, so the long life was what sold them on the idea.  Then, my mother-in-law started getting migraines from the bulbs.  Well, she always got migraines, but this apparently got added to the list of triggers.

/We live in the future


I find the older Phillips ones can run quite hot.  If they're in a can they get really, really hot.  I had one in a can in the living room and it would start flickering on and off after a few hours.  I replaced it with a Luminus one from Costco which seems to work a lot better (it spreads the light out much better and runs much cooler).
 
2013-03-07 03:00:26 PM

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: Until you break one on the carpet and you have to spend the next four hours on the floor with duct tape because the vacuum cleaner will cause any spilled mercury to go airborne.  Seriously, cleaning up a broken CFL is a colossal PITA.


This always comes up, but I've seriously never broken a light bulb.

I mean, older TVs have nasty stuff in them, but it was never a problem because I don't play racquetball in my living room.
 
2013-03-07 03:02:11 PM

Shazam999: I find the older Phillips ones can run quite hot. If they're in a can they get really, really hot. I had one in a can in the living room and it would start flickering on and off after a few hours. I replaced it with a Luminus one from Costco which seems to work a lot better (it spreads the light out much better and runs much cooler).


Some of the older bulbs specify in their packaging that they're not intended for inverted installation-- they dissipate a good bit of heat from the base, and the design assumes some airflow around the bulb.  The newer bulbs seem to have this problem beaten.
 
2013-03-07 03:12:35 PM

drewogatory: Parthenogenetic: drewogatory: Holy shiat. I had no idea light bulb geeks were a thing. I bow to your guys unbelievable knowledge about something so inconsequential.

There are entire forums dedicated to flashlights.  No, not flEshlights, you pervert.  FlAshlights.

And knives.

And guns.

There is a lot of user overlap among them.

I'm in the firearms industry, so, believe me, I know. I actually wasn't being snarky, I love people with random (to me) knowledge bases.


Me too!

For more geekery about this topic, check out the Fixed Lighting subforum at candlepoweforums.  Most of the threads are about various LED lights because that's where the action is, but there are some threads about incandescent and fluorescent lighting as well.

http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/forumdisplay.php?89-Fixed-Lighti ng
 
2013-03-07 03:13:28 PM
I call misuse of the "Cool" tag.
 
2013-03-07 03:22:37 PM

chimp_ninja: Shazam999: I find the older Phillips ones can run quite hot. If they're in a can they get really, really hot. I had one in a can in the living room and it would start flickering on and off after a few hours. I replaced it with a Luminus one from Costco which seems to work a lot better (it spreads the light out much better and runs much cooler).

Some of the older bulbs specify in their packaging that they're not intended for inverted installation-- they dissipate a good bit of heat from the base, and the design assumes some airflow around the bulb.  The newer bulbs seem to have this problem beaten.


Thing is, it was a PAR30 form factor, so I can't see how it could be mounted any other way.
 
2013-03-07 03:35:28 PM

SpectroBoy: Wake me when the LED bulb market can match at least a 100 watt incandescent output. My house has many built in ceiling "can lights" and there are only so many of them. They currently have 100-120 watt bulbs. 60 watt equivalent ain't gonna cut it.


These particular bulbs would be exactly the wrong thing to use, but I'll bet an LED bulb designed for a can would have even more of an efficiency advantage over incandescent -- you'd just point all the chips downward, and you wouldn't need a rear reflector and its attendant inefficiency. You'd need to make sure the heat can escape from the can, though.
 
2013-03-07 03:35:49 PM
I've been buying Inland 40W LED Bulbs at Microcenter for some time now.

None of them have burned out, and they provide pretty good lighting. $0.72/year cost of operation, 490 Lumens @ 3000K. $7.99, or $8,99 for the dimmable version.

They have a nice heavy heat sink on them.

I pick up a few every time I go in the store, but I've noticed others have discovered them now, and the store is now having trouble keeping them in stock.

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2013-03-07 03:40:07 PM

jfarkinB: SpectroBoy: Wake me when the LED bulb market can match at least a 100 watt incandescent output. My house has many built in ceiling "can lights" and there are only so many of them. They currently have 100-120 watt bulbs. 60 watt equivalent ain't gonna cut it.

These particular bulbs would be exactly the wrong thing to use, but I'll bet an LED bulb designed for a can would have even more of an efficiency advantage over incandescent -- you'd just point all the chips downward, and you wouldn't need a rear reflector and its attendant inefficiency. You'd need to make sure the heat can escape from the can, though.


Do they have these in the USA?

w-s-express.ca

I have these in the kitchen and living room, and they work AWESOME.
 
2013-03-07 03:43:03 PM

vpb: Kazan: 2700K? Aka "Incandescent Piss-tinge"? fark that shiat.

I have never understood why people claim they like that dingy yellow light.  I suspect they just don't like change.


Or, wonder of wonders, people have different tastes.
 
2013-03-07 03:43:53 PM
Feit Electric did this last year, excellent bulbs, exceptionally reliable and very cheap but Walmart decided they couldn't make money on them and pulled them from the shelves.
 
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