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2013-03-07 11:05:15 AM  
Great idea: low watt usage.  Fark: will never last the warranty period, but long enough for you to lose the receipt. TotalFark: 60w bulb doesn't provide enough light to read by.
 
2013-03-07 11:17:12 AM  
I've got some of the Philips bulbs, the ones that have yellow plastic on the top. Their 60W bulb uses 12.5W, and does put out as much light as a real 60W bulb. They turn on instantly, and the color is perfect. My wife hates anything but incandescent, yada yade, but I slipped one of these into the living room reading light about 6 months ago and she has not noticed heh. They are $20 each though. I'll definitely have to try some of these new ones, have not had one fail yet so I would not be surprised if they make 10 years and on.
 
2013-03-07 11:27:01 AM  
I've yet to have any early failures in my apartment full of LEDs (90% of which are Phillips), and Cree makes some of the best LEDs out there, so I'm looking forward to this
 
2013-03-07 11:30:07 AM  
But will it work in an Easybake Oven?
 
2013-03-07 11:30:51 AM  
I'm curious as to whether they work with X10 and other home automation systems. The only LED bulb I've seen work with the X10 socket rocket is the ECS bulb mentioned in the article.
 
2013-03-07 11:33:05 AM  
2700K? Aka "Incandescent Piss-tinge"? fark that shiat.
 
2013-03-07 11:47:37 AM  
Oh, and Cree had recently announced a new LED design that gives them 200 Lumens/Watt. So that will be exciting to see
 
2013-03-07 11:49:24 AM  

Kazan: 2700K? Aka "Incandescent Piss-tinge"? fark that shiat.


If you really hate that, the article points out that the 60w equivalent will also be available in a Daylight variety
 
2013-03-07 11:56:38 AM  

the_sidewinder: Kazan: 2700K? Aka "Incandescent Piss-tinge"? fark that shiat.

If you really hate that, the article points out that the 60w equivalent will also be available in a Daylight variety


i've got 1500lumen 5000k CFLs that only use like 23w so i'm set for a while.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-03-07 11:58:52 AM  

Kazan: 2700K? Aka "Incandescent Piss-tinge"? fark that shiat.


I have never understood why people claim they like that dingy yellow light.  I suspect they just don't like change.
 
2013-03-07 12:01:14 PM  
So, Compact fluorescents are the Sega Dreamcast of lighting, now? As in, revolutionary and widely-adopted at first, but quickly replaced with something much better?
 
2013-03-07 12:04:56 PM  

vpb: Kazan: 2700K? Aka "Incandescent Piss-tinge"? fark that shiat.

I have never understood why people claim they like that dingy yellow light.  I suspect they just don't like change.


Because people like warmer colors and that warmer lighting is easier on the eyes.
 
2013-03-07 12:06:23 PM  

vpb: I suspect they just don't like change.


yes.

RexTalionis: Because people like warmer colors and that warmer lighting is easier on the eyes.


but.. but.. that's not warmer! that's a colder black body equivalent!!!

:P (yes i know "warm color palette" vs "actual black body temperature")

I also disagree, that piss yellow light is dim, makes everything look like crap and is just generally ugly.
 
2013-03-07 12:08:15 PM  
Still need to buy special dimmers?
 
2013-03-07 12:13:51 PM  

Kazan: i've got 1500lumen 5000k CFLs that only use like 23w so i'm set for a while.


Well I wouldn't suggest that you go out and replace your existing lights right away, these kind of things are more for when it comes time to replace your existing lights. And at the current rate of improvement, there might even be an appropriate brightness for you at that time. One bit of advice I do have though, if you are using 5000k + lamps, pay lots of attention to the CRI rating
 
2013-03-07 12:17:24 PM  

the_sidewinder: Kazan: i've got 1500lumen 5000k CFLs that only use like 23w so i'm set for a while.

Well I wouldn't suggest that you go out and replace your existing lights right away, these kind of things are more for when it comes time to replace your existing lights. And at the current rate of improvement, there might even be an appropriate brightness for you at that time. One bit of advice I do have though, if you are using 5000k + lamps, pay lots of attention to the CRI rating


it's not photography critical so it doesn't matter too much. 5000k-6000k is going to look better period, CRI inside that band is just which bulb is better in band.
 
2013-03-07 12:20:53 PM  

RexTalionis: vpb: Kazan: 2700K? Aka "Incandescent Piss-tinge"? fark that shiat.

I have never understood why people claim they like that dingy yellow light.  I suspect they just don't like change.

Because people like warmer colors and that warmer lighting is easier on the eyes.


I know I do... I'm using those yellow bug lights in my floor lamps at home. It feels like I'm in Deus Ex.
 
2013-03-07 12:21:54 PM  

Kazan: it's not photography critical so it doesn't matter too much. 5000k-6000k is going to look better period, CRI inside that band is just which bulb is better in band.


If you skimp on CRI, you'll find that some colours will just be shiat and muted. LEDs with a poor CRI will typically mute reds quite a fair bit, for example. Most people like their light sources to properly portray colours. It may not be important to you, but that doesn't mean that it isn't important to others
 
2013-03-07 12:22:38 PM  
Oh, and I'm referring to residential lighting (and assuming that you are as well)
 
2013-03-07 12:22:42 PM  

Kazan: vpb: I suspect they just don't like change.

yes.

RexTalionis: Because people like warmer colors and that warmer lighting is easier on the eyes.

but.. but.. that's not warmer! that's a colder black body equivalent!!!

:P (yes i know "warm color palette" vs "actual black body temperature")

I also disagree, that piss yellow light is dim, makes everything look like crap and is just generally ugly.


We've been conditioned to expect warm lighting in the evenings for thousands of years. That kind of daylight-ish white light is just weird at night. My bedroom uses the daylight-style bulbs and my living room uses more yellowish bulbs and my bedroom is way less inviting a place than my living room, probably explaining my lack of success with the ladies.
 
2013-03-07 12:23:39 PM  
No thanks, you can keep your libtard non-american light bulbs. If monofilement was good enough for Thomas Edison, it's good enough for me.
 
2013-03-07 12:23:40 PM  

Samwise Gamgee: RexTalionis: vpb: Kazan: 2700K? Aka "Incandescent Piss-tinge"? fark that shiat.

I have never understood why people claim they like that dingy yellow light.  I suspect they just don't like change.

Because people like warmer colors and that warmer lighting is easier on the eyes.

I know I do... I'm using those yellow bug lights in my floor lamps at home. It feels like I'm in Deus Ex.


great, now i want to play DeusEx.  Thanks so farking much.
 
2013-03-07 12:23:58 PM  

Kazan: 2700K? Aka "Incandescent Piss-tinge"? fark that shiat.


This.  Recently bought some 75-watt daylight CFL bulbs for my nightstand.  Best. Bulbs. Ever.
 
2013-03-07 12:24:33 PM  

tom baker's scarf: Samwise Gamgee: RexTalionis: vpb: Kazan: 2700K? Aka "Incandescent Piss-tinge"? fark that shiat.

I have never understood why people claim they like that dingy yellow light.  I suspect they just don't like change.

Because people like warmer colors and that warmer lighting is easier on the eyes.

I know I do... I'm using those yellow bug lights in my floor lamps at home. It feels like I'm in Deus Ex.

great, now i want to play DeusEx.  Thanks so farking much.


this-world-is.boldlygoingnowhere.org

You never asked to be reminded of this...
 
2013-03-07 12:28:42 PM  

the_sidewinder: Kazan: it's not photography critical so it doesn't matter too much. 5000k-6000k is going to look better period, CRI inside that band is just which bulb is better in band.

If you skimp on CRI, you'll find that some colours will just be shiat and muted. LEDs with a poor CRI will typically mute reds quite a fair bit, for example. Most people like their light sources to properly portray colours. It may not be important to you, but that doesn't mean that it isn't important to others


i'm using CFLs right now not LEDs.

RexTalionis: We've been conditioned to expect warm lighting in the evenings for thousands of years. That kind of daylight-ish white light is just weird at night. My bedroom uses the daylight-style bulbs and my living room uses more yellowish bulbs and my bedroom is way less inviting a place than my living room, probably explaining my lack of success with the ladies.


see i have no such conditioningnostalgia for piss yellow lighting inside my house.
 
2013-03-07 12:28:53 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: But will it work in an Easybake Oven?


They do get hot. Most have some kind of heat sink to help dissipate the heat.  I don't know if they will bake your cake though.
 
2013-03-07 12:30:04 PM  

jaylectricity: Still need to buy special dimmers?


Not for the Philips ones, they are dimmable, if that is a word.
 
2013-03-07 12:30:35 PM  

Kazan: RexTalionis: We've been conditioned to expect warm lighting in the evenings for thousands of years. That kind of daylight-ish white light is just weird at night. My bedroom uses the daylight-style bulbs and my living room uses more yellowish bulbs and my bedroom is way less inviting a place than my living room, probably explaining my lack of success with the ladies.

see i have no such conditioningnostalgia for piss yellow lighting inside my house.


Weird. I definitely prefer brighter (whiter?) lights in the kitchen/dining room areas. Sometimes in the living room. In the bedroom and upstairs hallway I want a more glowy, subdued lighting. Hospital-quality white ain't my thing.
 
2013-03-07 12:31:55 PM  

Cewley: Great idea: low watt usage.  Fark: will never last the warranty period, but long enough for you to lose the receipt. TotalFark: 60w bulb doesn't provide enough light to read by.


You might want to get checked for cataracts.
 
2013-03-07 12:32:09 PM  
One day I'll say, "Grandson, there was a day when Christmas lights were beautiful."
 
2013-03-07 12:33:16 PM  

Kazan: i'm using CFLs right now not LEDs.


I know, I was just using LEDs as an example because I am more familiar with their typical emission spectra at any given CRI and colour temp
 
2013-03-07 12:33:48 PM  

H31N0US: No thanks, you can keep your libtard non-american light bulbs. If monofilement was good enough for Thomas Edison, it's good enough for me.


Cree is an American company.

/I know, I know...
 
2013-03-07 12:34:50 PM  

RexTalionis: We've been conditioned to expect warm lighting in the evenings for thousands of years.


There's probably a biological component as well, circadian rhythms and such which are more sensitive to blue light.

Another potential drawback with this new bulb - it looks like it radiates mostly sideways. That would be OK in some fixtures but it would suck if you wanted to light an area directly underneath a vertically-mounted bulb.
 
2013-03-07 12:37:52 PM  
Cool, Ill have to try one out. I've been slowly switching from incandescents to LED, skipping the CFL's.
 
2013-03-07 12:39:30 PM  

KarmicDisaster: I've got some of the Philips bulbs, the ones that have yellow plastic on the top. Their 60W bulb uses 12.5W, and does put out as much light as a real 60W bulb. They turn on instantly, and the color is perfect. My wife hates anything but incandescent, yada yade, but I slipped one of these into the living room reading light about 6 months ago and she has not noticed heh. They are $20 each though. I'll definitely have to try some of these new ones, have not had one fail yet so I would not be surprised if they make 10 years and on.


The bulbs are getting better, both LED and CFL. We're getting smoking deals at Costco, too. I got a bunch of 60 watt equivalent LED bulbs for my living room lamp for $6 each. Previously, it was supposed to max out at 5 45 watt bulbs, but I went to 5 60 Watt(Equivalent) bulbs, got more light and less power usage.

Now that they arre rating color temp and lumens output on CFLs also, I am able to find some that aren't sickly, weak things, and I've started replacing them as I can. Once again, lower power usage, and I can put them side by side in a fixture now, and you can tell the difference(Outside of the whole 'squiggly tube' vs. 'egg on a base' thing...). Also on sale at Costco, $1.25 or something for a 4-pack. I'm just as picky as your wife when it comes to color temp and brightness, but I'm glad to say that these are finally being adressed to my satisfaction.
 
2013-03-07 12:40:45 PM  
I couldn't help but notice the package doesn't mention Energy Star.

If these bulbs came in a pin base (anything other than screw in really) then appliance and fixture makers could adopt them.

/The fun world of Energy Star Luminaire rules
 
2013-03-07 12:42:23 PM  
Do you have to pay $30 extra for the extended warranty? Will you be hounded by some salesjerk to do so, or else he earns no commission on it?

/or is that experience a Best Buy exclusive?
 
2013-03-07 12:44:19 PM  
I'm looking forward to LEDs that auto-adjust their color throughout the day, which can't be that far away. Like a lot of people I prefer a whiter, daylight balance during the day, but would prefer something that more closely mimics sunrise/sunset at each end of the day. I suspect our bodies are evolved to respond to the color changes.
 
2013-03-07 12:44:40 PM  

MaxxLarge: So, Compact fluorescents are the Sega Dreamcast of lighting, now? As in, revolutionary and widely-adopted at first, but quickly replaced with something much better?


Nope, they both have their uses. CFLs are cheaper, LEDs need heatsinks and voltage regulation circuitry. You can spend $15 on a single LED bulb, so you really need to decide WHERE is worth installing it.
 
2013-03-07 12:45:41 PM  

Sasquach: I couldn't help but notice the package doesn't mention Energy Star.


TFA does, though.  It helps if you read more than just the captions.
 
2013-03-07 12:47:01 PM  

Ivo Shandor: RexTalionis: We've been conditioned to expect warm lighting in the evenings for thousands of years.

There's probably a biological component as well, circadian rhythms and such which are more sensitive to blue light.

Another potential drawback with this new bulb - it looks like it radiates mostly sideways. That would be OK in some fixtures but it would suck if you wanted to light an area directly underneath a vertically-mounted bulb.


Considering that the issue has been to have LEDs with omnidirectional light, I'd say that you're already covered. They've been making LED spots and floods for years now, and having trouble mimicking a "standard" light bulb.
 
2013-03-07 12:48:05 PM  

Sasquach: I couldn't help but notice the package doesn't mention Energy Star.

If these bulbs came in a pin base (anything other than screw in really) then appliance and fixture makers could adopt them.

/The fun world of Energy Star Luminaire rules


The fun of RTFA:
The second point of attack is confidence. Consumers may not know the Cree name, but the company will soon have Energy Star compliance for each model making for a meaningful seal of approval.
 
2013-03-07 12:50:14 PM  

Dazrin: H31N0US: No thanks, you can keep your libtard non-american light bulbs. If monofilement was good enough for Thomas Edison, it's good enough for me.

Cree is an American company.

/I know, I know...


They are based in NC but where are the bulbs made?  If they're made in China, no thanks.
 
2013-03-07 12:51:07 PM  
You might want to also check out this even more efficient light bulb on KickStarter:

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/619878070/nanolight-the-worlds-m os t-energy-efficient-lightbu
 
2013-03-07 12:52:44 PM  

lilbjorn: You might want to also check out this even more efficient light bulb on KickStarter:

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/619878070/nanolight-the-worlds-m os t-energy-efficient-lightbu


I came here to post that link. It's a pretty cool project.
 
2013-03-07 12:52:44 PM  
Considering Energy Star 'certified' a gas powered alarm clock a few years ago, I'm not sure how much I care about the sticker.

I have about half my house already converted to LED lighting, and this will probably get some more going that way.  Throw in a 13 SEER air conditioner and a 92% efficient gas furnace and the old house is pretty cheap on the utilities.
 
2013-03-07 12:53:51 PM  
Why do I like yellow lights? Because I don't like farking up my circadian by getting lots of blue-light exposure at night. For that matter, I'd still like to have a bulb that more closely emulates an incandescent by shifting toward a warmer color temperature as it dims.

I'm happy as a clam about these bulbs, though, and not just because I've got a nice long position in Cree. :) They're cheap enough, and work with standard dimmers. Now let's have some that draw a full 60 watts, and crank out the lumens of a 300-watt bulb, only without the fires.
 
2013-03-07 12:55:31 PM  

Mikey1969: MaxxLarge: So, Compact fluorescents are the Sega Dreamcast of lighting, now? As in, revolutionary and widely-adopted at first, but quickly replaced with something much better?

Nope, they both have their uses. CFLs are cheaper, LEDs need heatsinks and voltage regulation circuitry. You can spend $15 on a single LED bulb, so you really need to decide WHERE is worth installing it.


Yeah.  The other issue is that I switched the whole house to CFLs in 2007 or so, and I've maybe had to replace a couple in the six years since (*).  My first instinct would be to wait for the CFLs to burn out, but that might be 5 more years at this pace.  The minor efficiency upgrade over CFLs isn't a good trade with the cost of early upgrades.

LEDs are great for outdoor lighting (they deal better with temperature shifts, etc. unless you find cold-cathode CFLs, which tend to be pricy anyway), but I'm admittedly not looking forward to the day that random vagrants figure out that I have $20 bulbs ready to be unscrewed.  I mean, if people steal copper pipes from AC units, this is a much easier target.  Hopefully the price will hit $5 or so before that happens.

(*): For the inevitable "CFLs done lasted 15 minutes in my housetrailerdungeon" post, get your wiring checked and buy a reputable brand, not the cheapest thing on the shelf.  But it's probably your wiring.
 
2013-03-07 12:56:35 PM  

jfarkinB: I'm happy as a clam about these bulbs, though, and not just because I've got a nice long position in Cree.


You work for Cree? When can I expect to see these lights in Canada?
 
2013-03-07 12:56:51 PM  
Already been getting some...

Got a deal off eBay for 12 x 40w equivalent for 25 $... cool looking, very bright in the light it gives, but one reason I got them was that I believed that they'd have protective circuitry, and my lights in the bathroom keep burning out (regular and CFL).  Sadly, I've got one dead already and another that's appearing to be dying or is already.

But then again, these are probably fairly cheaply made.
 
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