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2013-03-07 10:34:02 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-07 10:35:44 AM

pkellmey: fireclown: pkellmey: The thing we learned today, kiddies, is the same throughout space and time - don't try to act tougher than the people who carry weapons for a living. They usually have the attitude that went with the job in the first place. Be extremely nice and respectful and never, ever, step towards them in a menacing fashion and/or with a stupid attitude.

The stupid attitude in this case being "follow the law".

If he would've given permission, no warrant required. I can't imagine someone stepping into a copy while asking, "Where's your warrant?" in anything less than an agressive fashion. I'm not saying they didn't need a warrant, but there are better ways to not become a victim.



1. And why should he give them permission? What use are rights if you don't excercise them?
2. In what way does asserting your rights excuse police victimizing someone?
3. The limits of your imagination aren't the basis for jurisprudence in America.
4. You'd make the worst rape-crisis counselor ever with your "blame the victim" attitude. This is also a big part of the problem, as the police not only are effectively without oversight but when many in the public share your acquiescent attitude towards abusive police that saps the wholly righteous public outrage which might otherwise force the changes we need.
 
2013-03-07 10:36:53 AM

Fissile: It's not just Denver, it seems that most cops today are out of control sociopaths.  Have a look at how this Jersey cop punched a fat chick in the face when she touched his arm.

http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/local_news/water_cooler/cop-punches-wom an -video-envy-night-club-youtube-video-shows-elizabeth-new-jersey-office r-punching


He shouldn't have done that but I don't blame him.
 
2013-03-07 10:37:08 AM

Kyoki: [www.ttellc.net image 809x607]

That's Tiffany Middleton on the left with Chevy Chase during the 2008 DNC. I posted this in the last thread on this subject. I'm not even a bit surprised at this decision and the DPD actions.


Jesus christ, that's not a man?
 
2013-03-07 10:38:01 AM

dready zim: Onkel Buck: Remember gun grabbers when you are done with your latest crusade, these are the only assholes who will still be allowed to have guns. Be careful what you wish for

But at least they won`t be able to use the excuse "We thought he was going for his gun" anymore.

We don`t have this problem here in the UK, where your `horror` scenario is happening i.e. cops have guns and the public don`t. Do you know what effect that has? The police don`t go crazy if they think you may have a weapon and beat the shiat out of you `just in case` and they can`t use that as an excuse so less police are violent. People don`t pull guns on cashiers `just because` etc etc etc

It`s strange but in countries where guns are restricted for the public NONE of the outcomes predicted by gun nuts happen.

You know, it`s almost as though they lie to keep their guns...


blog.moveguides.com
 
2013-03-07 10:41:20 AM

pkellmey: The Justice Department, guided by the FBI, is usually pretty good at jumping at the chance to level civil rights violations when the have the evidence. Apparently, they were okay with the statements that they received in this case. Cops can lie, but in this case I don't believe the statements of the accuser any more than the cops side.


No? Why not? What has the accuser done to earn your distrust? Two of the cops involved in this were subsequently fired for other infractions, that hardly speaks to their impeccable character. On the balance of evidence so far, I think I'd take the accuser's word over theirs. Does that mean that the FBI thinks they have enough evidence to actually charge them? No. But at this point if there are competing versions of the story, I'll believe the one that doesn't come from the guys who have been shown to be power hungry douchebags who like to use excessive force.
 
2013-03-07 10:41:59 AM

Fissile: It's not just Denver, it seems that most cops today are out of control sociopaths.  Have a look at how this Jersey cop punched a fat chick in the face when she touched his arm.

http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/local_news/water_cooler/cop-punches-wom an -video-envy-night-club-youtube-video-shows-elizabeth-new-jersey-office r-punching



Not in any way defending these particular officer's actions, but I think your conclusion "most cops today are out of control sociopaths" isn't really supported by the data you cite. The "out of control sociopaths" are more likely to make the news (reporting bias*).

/*CSB on reporting bias: I've run into several people who claim that things were made better back in the old days, based on the fact that the stuff that's still around from back then tends to be really well made.
 
2013-03-07 10:42:02 AM

Benjamin Orr: the money is in the banana stand: Benjamin Orr: enik: Why yes, I'm sure there are no other missing details in this story.

Please let us know what details could have been missed that would allow the police to beat someone as badly as they beat this guy.

If he didn't "calmly" ask to see a warrant, was confrontational, and upon requests to calm down he refused to obey and upon trying to restrain him he truly was grasping for the officer's weapon? Why is it when a civilian makes a statement against police it is infallible, yet when the police respond, it is always a lie? Bias much? You can make assumptions and it is clear that excessive force was used, but after reading TFA, there is way more to the story. Do you really believe that he calmly asked to see a warrant? Excuse me kind sir, could you produce for me a warrant post haste? I am not prematurely defending the cops here or taking sides, but there sounds like a lot of missing pieces and a lot of lying going on here.

So you've got nothing.

I don't care if he was confrontational or didn't lick their boots quickly enough. Even if he went for a gun they had no right to beat him like that.

Plus that whole part where they already gave him almost 800k for being in the wrong.


You do realize I am not arguing that the cops are innocent parties right, just that there are a lot of the details of the story left out. Also, if someone goes for a gun and tries to kill a police officer, they deserve likewise to be shot (not that the victim in this case went for a gun).
 
2013-03-07 10:44:41 AM

the money is in the banana stand: Benjamin Orr: the money is in the banana stand: Benjamin Orr: enik: Why yes, I'm sure there are no other missing details in this story.

Please let us know what details could have been missed that would allow the police to beat someone as badly as they beat this guy.

If he didn't "calmly" ask to see a warrant, was confrontational, and upon requests to calm down he refused to obey and upon trying to restrain him he truly was grasping for the officer's weapon? Why is it when a civilian makes a statement against police it is infallible, yet when the police respond, it is always a lie? Bias much? You can make assumptions and it is clear that excessive force was used, but after reading TFA, there is way more to the story. Do you really believe that he calmly asked to see a warrant? Excuse me kind sir, could you produce for me a warrant post haste? I am not prematurely defending the cops here or taking sides, but there sounds like a lot of missing pieces and a lot of lying going on here.

So you've got nothing.

I don't care if he was confrontational or didn't lick their boots quickly enough. Even if he went for a gun they had no right to beat him like that.

Plus that whole part where they already gave him almost 800k for being in the wrong.

You do realize I am not arguing that the cops are innocent parties right, just that there are a lot of the details of the story left out. Also, if someone goes for a gun and tries to kill a police officer, they deserve likewise to be shot (not that the victim in this case went for a gun).


And I am saying that cops are supposed to be held to a higher standard than a roving gang of street thugs.
 
2013-03-07 10:46:28 AM

StoPPeRmobile: dready zim: Onkel Buck: Remember gun grabbers when you are done with your latest crusade, these are the only assholes who will still be allowed to have guns. Be careful what you wish for

But at least they won`t be able to use the excuse "We thought he was going for his gun" anymore.

We don`t have this problem here in the UK, where your `horror` scenario is happening i.e. cops have guns and the public don`t. Do you know what effect that has? The police don`t go crazy if they think you may have a weapon and beat the shiat out of you `just in case` and they can`t use that as an excuse so less police are violent. People don`t pull guns on cashiers `just because` etc etc etc

It`s strange but in countries where guns are restricted for the public NONE of the outcomes predicted by gun nuts happen.

You know, it`s almost as though they lie to keep their guns...


blog.moveguides.com

Somebody needs to wipe that crap off of Texas. That's disgusting.
 
2013-03-07 10:48:24 AM
I'm expected to believe that the police in this case went into that rage merely because the guy asked for a warrant before they searched his trunk, huh? Doubt it. Look, I know everyone here on Fark is anti-police, and I'm not trying to suggest they're entirely noble individuals all the time, but things don't add up here.

There was clearly brutality here. That's easy to see. Is that type of beating ever necessary? No, certainly not. I'm suggesting the victim's version of events is not accurate either. My guess is he mouthed off continually, suggesting he was being pulled over strictly because he was black, playing the race card, and generally being uncooperative until the police had enough and tried to restrain him. He probably then fought back, maybe even tried to reach for the officer's gun during the struggle.

So yeah-- the police in this case are scum. But my guess is so is the victim. Regardless, no behavior deserves that end result.
 
2013-03-07 10:49:31 AM
Militarization and increased training of brutality by the police.

The only good cop is a dead cop.

/seen firsthand what cops will do to people who question their authority...they end up in our ER all the time.
 
2013-03-07 10:49:39 AM

spentmiles: As a police officer for over three years, I can tell you this much - there's nothing more satisfying than pulling back your elbow after a solid punch and seeing your middle knuckle split wide open, blood running down the back of your hand, the two sides of the flesh folded back like convecting lava.  fark, now I want to hit somebody.


I used to masturbate that way. Just grab li'l Hitler (my pet name for the dick formerly known as Wang Chung) in my left hand chicken choker style and just wail on the knob with my right fist. The endorphin rush is unbelievable. I do recommend you remove any rings with protrusions or stones, though. Going to the veterinarian at three a.m. and forcing them to remove melee from your bell-end at gunpoint is not much fun; hobnobbing with your union rep and IA when the veterinarian files charges is even less fun.

Good thing veterinarians work with dogs though; it's easy to arrange for them to be in the room with a dog named Chopper.

/Case dismissed.
 
2013-03-07 10:49:44 AM
Denver cops are bad news.  I live in Denver and pretty much just sit around hoping that I don't need to have any dealings with them ever.  If they decide to fark you over they're going to and they're going to get away with it.
 
2013-03-07 10:49:54 AM
"brutally beat him with federal civil rights violations"

It's not enough that they brutally beat him. It's not enough that they violated his civil rights. But beating him with civil rights violations? That's just awful.
 
2013-03-07 10:50:01 AM
"Don't you just hate cops?"
"Nooo. But I feel better when they're not around."

www.beatscene.net
 
2013-03-07 10:50:37 AM
the money is in the banana stand: Also, if someone goes for a gun and tries to kill a police officer someone who is mercilessly attacking them, they deserve likewise to be shot (not that the victim in this case went for a gun).

It's funny how when you insert reality, bootlicking statements like this make absolutely no sense.
 
2013-03-07 10:53:25 AM

monoski: Fissile: It's not just Denver, it seems that most cops today are out of control sociopaths.  Have a look at how this Jersey cop punched a fat chick in the face when she touched his arm.

http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/local_news/water_cooler/cop-punches-wom an -video-envy-night-club-youtube-video-shows-elizabeth-new-jersey-office r-punching

A Philly cop was just found not guilty of assault where he was filmed sucker-punching a woman at a parade. He mistakenly thought she threw something at her and punched her in the face.


She threw something at herself?
 
2013-03-07 10:55:42 AM

WinoRhino: I'm expected to believe that the police in this case went into that rage merely because the guy asked for a warrant before they searched his trunk, huh? Doubt it. Look, I know everyone here on Fark is anti-police, and I'm not trying to suggest they're entirely noble individuals all the time, but things don't add up here.


You think that the type of guys who would use the excessive brutality displayed in this case would need more than the challenge to authority that asking for a warrant entails to go into a rage?
 
2013-03-07 10:56:20 AM

Fissile: tricycleracer: Fissile: It's not just Denver, it seems that most cops today are out of control sociopaths.  Have a look at how this Jersey cop punched a fat chick in the face when she touched his arm.

http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/local_news/water_cooler/cop-punches-wom an -video-envy-night-club-youtube-video-shows-elizabeth-new-jersey-office r-punching

She got off easy.  In Florida, he would have shot her then driven to her house and shot her dog.

===============

In California, the police were looking for a big, black ex-cop driving a silver pickup, so there first reaction was to shoot up a blue pickup with two little hispanic women inside.   Makes sense, they could have been a large black man pretending to be two little hispanic women.


Conservation of Mass is the law, kid. You got a problem with cops enforcing the law?
 
2013-03-07 11:00:06 AM
It may be time for citizens to start "cleaning up" the police forces in cases like this.  It's abundantly clear that the government never will.
 
2013-03-07 11:01:29 AM
DPD is the Wooden Shampoo champions!!
 
2013-03-07 11:01:46 AM

lilbjorn: It may be time for citizens to start "cleaning up" the police forces in cases like this.  It's abundantly clear that the government never will.


cdn.newsday.com
 
2013-03-07 11:01:58 AM

lilbjorn: It may be time for citizens to start "cleaning up" the police forces in cases like this.  It's abundantly clear that the government never will.


We had one like that a few weeks ago. They identified the body using dental records once the fire finally went out.
 
2013-03-07 11:02:25 AM
Lookin' for a fist to put your face in
 
2013-03-07 11:03:08 AM

Marshal805: monoski: Fissile: It's not just Denver, it seems that most cops today are out of control sociopaths.  Have a look at how this Jersey cop punched a fat chick in the face when she touched his arm.

http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/local_news/water_cooler/cop-punches-wom an -video-envy-night-club-youtube-video-shows-elizabeth-new-jersey-office r-punching

A Philly cop was just found not guilty of assault where he was filmed sucker-punching a woman at a parade. He mistakenly thought she threw something at her and punched her in the face.

She threw something at herself?


Oops, sorry; threw something at him...
 
2013-03-07 11:04:22 AM

StrangeQ: the money is in the banana stand: Also, if someone goes for a gun and tries to kill a police officer someone who is mercilessly attacking them, they deserve likewise to be shot (not that the victim in this case went for a gun).

It's funny how when you insert reality, bootlicking statements like this make absolutely no sense.


It's funny how you COMPLETELY missed the part where I said (not that the victim in this case went for a gun). Reading comprehension is difficult. I was not addressing this particular case. The Boobieser said there is no circumstance that anyone should have been beaten that bad, which isn't true. In cases where the person(s) being arrested is violent and tries to bring harm or kill the arresting officer, they deserve whatever force is then bestowed upon them.
 
2013-03-07 11:06:41 AM

StoPPeRmobile: dready zim: Onkel Buck: Remember gun grabbers when you are done with your latest crusade, these are the only assholes who will still be allowed to have guns. Be careful what you wish for

But at least they won`t be able to use the excuse "We thought he was going for his gun" anymore.

We don`t have this problem here in the UK, where your `horror` scenario is happening i.e. cops have guns and the public don`t. Do you know what effect that has? The police don`t go crazy if they think you may have a weapon and beat the shiat out of you `just in case` and they can`t use that as an excuse so less police are violent. People don`t pull guns on cashiers `just because` etc etc etc

It`s strange but in countries where guns are restricted for the public NONE of the outcomes predicted by gun nuts happen.

You know, it`s almost as though they lie to keep their guns...

[blog.moveguides.com image 466x219]


I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.
Population of the UK: 62 million
Population of Texas: 26 million.
 
2013-03-07 11:07:57 AM
Why does it take three cops to handle someone making a left turn?
 
2013-03-07 11:07:59 AM
Nixon, you dolt!

/Oblig
 
2013-03-07 11:13:33 AM
Heh, screw this idiot
 and screw the denver pd

victimless situation...like necrophilia
 
2013-03-07 11:13:46 AM

dready zim: It`s strange but in countries where guns are restricted for the public NONE of the outcomes predicted by gun nuts happen.

You know, it`s almost as though they lie to keep their guns...


Jamaica vs. Switzerland. Compare and contrast. Discuss.
 
2013-03-07 11:13:49 AM

the money is in the banana stand: StrangeQ: the money is in the banana stand: Also, if someone goes for a gun and tries to kill a police officer someone who is mercilessly attacking them, they deserve likewise to be shot (not that the victim in this case went for a gun).

It's funny how when you insert reality, bootlicking statements like this make absolutely no sense.

It's funny how you COMPLETELY missed the part where I said (not that the victim in this case went for a gun). Reading comprehension is difficult. I was not addressing this particular case. The Boobieser said there is no circumstance that anyone should have been beaten that bad, which isn't true. In cases where the person(s) being arrested is violent and tries to bring harm or kill the arresting officer, they deserve whatever force is then bestowed upon them.


Sorry, bootlicker, but we don't live in a country where cops are allowed to bestow whatever type of physical punishment upon you they wish if you attack them.

If you try and take a cop's gun you deserve enoguh force to stop and restrain you, that is it.
 
2013-03-07 11:15:18 AM

the money is in the banana stand: . In cases where the person(s) being arrested is violent and tries to bring harm or kill the arresting officer, they deserve whatever force is then bestowed upon them.


Uh huh.  And in cases like this where the victim was being beaten to within an inch of his life and likely thought as much, what should happen to them if they reach for their assailant's gun?
 
2013-03-07 11:16:48 AM
liam76:Sorry, bootlicker, but we don't live in a country where cops are allowed to bestow whatever type of physical punishment upon you they wish if you attack them.

Well, apparently we do.  We shouldn't, but we do.
 
2013-03-07 11:19:22 AM

liam76: the money is in the banana stand: StrangeQ: the money is in the banana stand: Also, if someone goes for a gun and tries to kill a police officer someone who is mercilessly attacking them, they deserve likewise to be shot (not that the victim in this case went for a gun).

It's funny how when you insert reality, bootlicking statements like this make absolutely no sense.

It's funny how you COMPLETELY missed the part where I said (not that the victim in this case went for a gun). Reading comprehension is difficult. I was not addressing this particular case. The Boobieser said there is no circumstance that anyone should have been beaten that bad, which isn't true. In cases where the person(s) being arrested is violent and tries to bring harm or kill the arresting officer, they deserve whatever force is then bestowed upon them.

Sorry, bootlicker, but we don't live in a country where cops are allowed to bestow whatever type of physical punishment upon you they wish if you attack them.

If you try and take a cop's gun you deserve enoguh force to stop and restrain you, that is it.


Seriously? If someone is actively trying to kill a cop then your solution is to use "enough" force to restrain them? Wow.
 
2013-03-07 11:20:54 AM

Weigard: Why does it take three cops to handle someone making a left turn?


He was making a left turn while being black.
 
2013-03-07 11:21:30 AM
Don't be ignorant.
Be polite
Turn that shiat off
Get a white friend
Never drive with a mad woman
 
2013-03-07 11:22:43 AM

StrangeQ: the money is in the banana stand: . In cases where the person(s) being arrested is violent and tries to bring harm or kill the arresting officer, they deserve whatever force is then bestowed upon them.

Uh huh.  And in cases like this where the victim was being beaten to within an inch of his life and likely thought as much, what should happen to them if they reach for their assailant's gun?


In this case the victim would be defending themselves. This is a very simple principle here. In this case the cops were the aggressors. In cases where the cops are not the aggressors but defenders, I have problem with them doing whatever it takes to defend themselves. If the cops were the aggressors, I would support the victim likewise doing whatever it took to defend themselves.
 
2013-03-07 11:24:32 AM

Weigard: Why does it take three cops to handle someone making a left turn?


It could've been a car full of Nascar fans.  More likely if they made four left turns.
 
2013-03-07 11:25:59 AM

indarwinsshadow: Oh look. Another cops bashing a guys head in thread on fark. It must be Thursday.


/ftfy
//not a cop hater, but this story sucks
 
2013-03-07 11:27:44 AM

Psycoholic_Slag: Dude was probably being all truculent and sh*t.


www.parkscomputing.com

Thinks the cops are just being total dicks, man.
 
2013-03-07 11:28:52 AM

the money is in the banana stand: liam76: the money is in the banana stand: StrangeQ: the money is in the banana stand: Also, if someone goes for a gun and tries to kill a police officer someone who is mercilessly attacking them, they deserve likewise to be shot (not that the victim in this case went for a gun).

It's funny how when you insert reality, bootlicking statements like this make absolutely no sense.

It's funny how you COMPLETELY missed the part where I said (not that the victim in this case went for a gun). Reading comprehension is difficult. I was not addressing this particular case. The Boobieser said there is no circumstance that anyone should have been beaten that bad, which isn't true. In cases where the person(s) being arrested is violent and tries to bring harm or kill the arresting officer, they deserve whatever force is then bestowed upon them.

Sorry, bootlicker, but we don't live in a country where cops are allowed to bestow whatever type of physical punishment upon you they wish if you attack them.

If you try and take a cop's gun you deserve enoguh force to stop and restrain you, that is it.

Seriously? If someone is actively trying to kill a cop then your solution is to use "enough" force to restrain them? Wow.


Yes. That's why they get the big bucks. It's for a judge to decide punishment. Cops are there to arrange the meeting. Just like a private citizen, the cops lose their justification for violence once the threat ends.
 
2013-03-07 11:28:58 AM
I guess the guy should have listened to the police order to allow the search of his car.
 
2013-03-07 11:29:39 AM

the money is in the banana stand: liam76: the money is in the banana stand: StrangeQ: the money is in the banana stand: Also, if someone goes for a gun and tries to kill a police officer someone who is mercilessly attacking them, they deserve likewise to be shot (not that the victim in this case went for a gun).

It's funny how when you insert reality, bootlicking statements like this make absolutely no sense.

It's funny how you COMPLETELY missed the part where I said (not that the victim in this case went for a gun). Reading comprehension is difficult. I was not addressing this particular case. The Boobieser said there is no circumstance that anyone should have been beaten that bad, which isn't true. In cases where the person(s) being arrested is violent and tries to bring harm or kill the arresting officer, they deserve whatever force is then bestowed upon them.

Sorry, bootlicker, but we don't live in a country where cops are allowed to bestow whatever type of physical punishment upon you they wish if you attack them.

If you try and take a cop's gun you deserve enoguh force to stop and restrain you, that is it.

Seriously? If someone is actively trying to kill a cop then your solution is to use "enough" force to restrain them? Wow.


If they have a gun and are about to shott a cop, or have it pointed at a cop, I am fine with them shooting them.

What they can't do, and what you said they could do (underlined above, bootlicker) is beat them as much as they like for being "violent".
 
2013-03-07 11:30:49 AM

the money is in the banana stand: StrangeQ: the money is in the banana stand: Also, if someone goes for a gun and tries to kill a police officer someone who is mercilessly attacking them, they deserve likewise to be shot (not that the victim in this case went for a gun).

It's funny how when you insert reality, bootlicking statements like this make absolutely no sense.

It's funny how you COMPLETELY missed the part where I said (not that the victim in this case went for a gun). Reading comprehension is difficult. I was not addressing this particular case. The Boobieser said there is no circumstance that anyone should have been beaten that bad, which isn't true. In cases where the person(s) being arrested is violent and tries to bring harm or kill the arresting officer, they deserve whatever force is then bestowed upon them.


No... No they don't. Fighting back against police does not mean they get to beat you like that.
 
2013-03-07 11:31:53 AM

the money is in the banana stand: StrangeQ: the money is in the banana stand: . In cases where the person(s) being arrested is violent and tries to bring harm or kill the arresting officer, they deserve whatever force is then bestowed upon them.

Uh huh.  And in cases like this where the victim was being beaten to within an inch of his life and likely thought as much, what should happen to them if they reach for their assailant's gun?

In this case the victim would be defending themselves. This is a very simple principle here. In this case the cops were the aggressors. In cases where the cops are not the aggressors but defenders, I have problem with them doing whatever it takes to defend themselves. If the cops were the aggressors, I would support the victim likewise doing whatever it took to defend themselves.


The bells that end boxing rounds must really piss you off.
 
2013-03-07 11:32:50 AM

the money is in the banana stand: liam76: the money is in the banana stand: StrangeQ: the money is in the banana stand: Also, if someone goes for a gun and tries to kill a police officer someone who is mercilessly attacking them, they deserve likewise to be shot (not that the victim in this case went for a gun).

It's funny how when you insert reality, bootlicking statements like this make absolutely no sense.

It's funny how you COMPLETELY missed the part where I said (not that the victim in this case went for a gun). Reading comprehension is difficult. I was not addressing this particular case. The Boobieser said there is no circumstance that anyone should have been beaten that bad, which isn't true. In cases where the person(s) being arrested is violent and tries to bring harm or kill the arresting officer, they deserve whatever force is then bestowed upon them.

Sorry, bootlicker, but we don't live in a country where cops are allowed to bestow whatever type of physical punishment upon you they wish if you attack them.

If you try and take a cop's gun you deserve enoguh force to stop and restrain you, that is it.

Seriously? If someone is actively trying to kill a cop then your solution is to use "enough" force to restrain them? Wow.


Trying to take a gun is not actively trying to kill a cop. Having the gun maybe.

Still not justifaction to beat the living shiat out of somebody. Did you even look at the pictures?
 
2013-03-07 11:34:21 AM

Onkel Buck: Remember gun grabbers when you are done with your latest crusade, these are the only assholes who will still be allowed to have guns. Be careful what you wish for


So when are the gun owners going to do something about this, rather than just be internet tough guys?
 
2013-03-07 11:39:45 AM

the money is in the banana stand: Seriously? If someone is actively trying to kill a cop then your solution is to use "enough" force to restrain them? Wow.


So wait, in your mind, once the cops have neutralized the threat using "enough" force, they should just keep beating the guy until their arms give out? Wow indeed.
 
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