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(USA Today)   NY Yankees once again have the best lineup in MLB ... on the disabled list   (usatoday.com) divider line 71
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2013-03-07 08:28:33 AM  
Earlier this week I stopped in my local gas station to get coffee on the way to work and saw a newspaper in one of the racks by the front door that had a big picture of a disgruntled-looking Derek Jeter with the headline "Last in the East?"

God I hope so. Gave me a good laugh.
 
2013-03-07 08:41:03 AM  
I hope everyone realizes this is an elaborate ruse to get out of the WBC and not peak too early. Again.
 
2013-03-07 09:01:31 AM  
Teixeira injured practicing T-ball?

BWWAAAHAHAHA...etc.
 
2013-03-07 09:11:00 AM  

GiantRex: Last in the East


I want to say that it will be the BoSox again but Jacoby is back and any time one tries to factor Ortiz's age for projected lack of production, well you end up with a foot in your mouth so large Rex Ryan needs a new pair of pants.  That being said, if Jacoby or Pedroia aren't in the lineup for extended time I think they will be in the basement again.
 
2013-03-07 09:12:23 AM  
They're not getting any younger.
 
2013-03-07 09:12:34 AM  
Oh noes! Two Yankees will be out for one month of a 6 month season!
 
2013-03-07 09:15:51 AM  
They should have gone for Morse.
 
2013-03-07 09:20:15 AM  
Yes, because the Yankees knew in January they would lose two power hitters in spring training.
 
2013-03-07 09:23:30 AM  

lunchinlewis: They should have gone for Morse.


Morse is only 31 and I'm not sure they're ready to commit to that kind of youth movement.
 
2013-03-07 09:23:37 AM  

WTF Indeed: Yes, because the Yankees knew in January they would lose two power hitters in spring training.


I'm wondering what the "once again" implies.  Its consistently been Boston for awhile.  But still Mo, CC, ARod, Granderson, Tex, and more.  Only 3 are missing actual season time, and Yankee fans think they might be better off with the one missing the most of it.
 
2013-03-07 09:23:49 AM  

Kid Mojo: I hope everyone realizes this is an elaborate ruse to get out of the WBC and not peak too early. Again.


Yeah, that's exactly how I see it. The Yanks will find a way to stay in close 2nd or 3rd place. Then late July/early August rolls around, all the players come back and within two weeks everyone's firing on all cylinders. Pushing the Yankees into 1st.

/stupid yankees.....
 
2013-03-07 09:27:57 AM  

Primitive Screwhead: Kid Mojo: I hope everyone realizes this is an elaborate ruse to get out of the WBC and not peak too early. Again.

Yeah, that's exactly how I see it. The Yanks will find a way to stay in close 2nd or 3rd place. Then late July/early August rolls around, all the players come back and within two weeks everyone's firing on all cylinders. Pushing the Yankees into 1st.

/stupid yankees.....


like clockwork you are right...

That is why no Yankee fans sweat the small shiat in March/April .. now if someone goes down shagging fly balls like Mo did last year .. then we have problems.
 
2013-03-07 09:38:46 AM  
Maybe the Yankees can trade for Carl Pavano???
 
2013-03-07 09:40:17 AM  
Q: How many games will Pronk play this year?

A:   I'll start the over/under with 80.


/taking bets
 
2013-03-07 09:52:25 AM  

Super Chronic: lunchinlewis: They should have gone for Morse.

Morse is only 31 and I'm not sure they're ready to commit to that kind of youth movement.


Especially not with dependable DH-only crafty veterans like Travis Hafner on the bench, next to whoever it is that bats for Travis Hafner when a lefty is on the mound.  (This may be Eduardo Nunez.  For realsies.)

thecpt: But still Mo, CC, ARod, Granderson, Tex, and more. Only 3 are missing actual season time, and Yankee fans think they might be better off with the one missing the most of it.


Granderson is missing probably two months, and the offensive skill that makes him valuable (power) tends to recover slowly from wrist/forearm injuries.  Tex will miss 8-10 weeks.  Jeter is 39 and coming off a busted ankle, and his defense was iffy before that happened.  Ichiro is 39, and was a below-average offensive player last season.  A-Rod will miss most of the season, and may also get suspended for PEDs.  Youkilis is 34 and has missed significant time due to injury for each of the last three years.  They have no detectable catcher talent, and no depth.  Get ready for Dan Johnson and Juan Rivera, because that's the top end of their reserves.

Mo?  Worry about Andy Pettite, who's 41 and last made 30 starts in 2009.  Kuroda is 39.  After that, it's CC and spare parts, and CC just had butter-coated bone spurs removed from his elbow.

They're making bad decision after bad decision with their roster, to the point that it plays out like parody.  Letting Swisher go and keeping Ichiro?  Adding depth by signing Travis Hafner?  Signing guys who couldn't hit their way into the Dodgers' and Rays' lineups?  What are the Vegas odds on them signing Jorge Posada and Bernie Williams at this point?  What's Clemens doing?   Dear Mr. Cashman.  I'm kidding.  Please don't do this.

It's not just the current injuries.  It's the injuries to come.  History has not been kind to baseball players over 35.
 
2013-03-07 09:55:31 AM  

Gunderson: Maybe the Yankees can trade for Carl Pavano???


Carl Pavano says snow shoveling accident nearly killed him.  Plus, he's not on a MLB team, so no trade needed.  He might heal by the All-Star break!  Cashman can get the band back together!
 
2013-03-07 10:13:15 AM  
Saw this on BP this morning.  This is a list of the top 10 Braves age 25 and under:
Justin Upton
Jason Heyward
Craig Kimbrel
Andrelton Simmons
Julio Teheran
J.R. Graham
Freddie Freeman
Mike Minor
Lucas Sims
Christian Bethancourt

Six of those guys already have MLB time, and several are impact players.   Four will probably hit 1/2/3/4 in the Opening Day lineup.  Throw in Beachy (26) and Medlen (27).  And I'm just going to mention Joey Terdoslavich, who may make the All-Name team as early as this year.

That's what a farm system should be doing.  Instead, try to name your favorite Yankees who are under 30.  Brett Gardner?  Phil Hughes?  A middle reliever?
 
2013-03-07 10:25:32 AM  
Pirates are probably open to trading Burnett back to them, for the right price.
 
2013-03-07 10:41:53 AM  

WTF Indeed: Oh noes! Two Yankees will be out for one month of a 6 month season!


This. Come September, they'll have at least a wildcard sewed up.

EE CHEE RO!
 
2013-03-07 10:52:17 AM  
Somehow, they'll still make it to the NLCS.

/The Yankees and the Lakers
//Two teams that'll almost always make it to the playoffs because 'fark you...that's why'
 
2013-03-07 10:52:54 AM  

chimp_ninja: Mo?  Worry about Andy Pettite, who's 41 and last made 30 starts in 2009.


I'm not worried about Pettitte. He got a late start due to taking a season off and his injury was the result of a comebacker, not anything mechanical. He looked just fine when he WAS playing.
 
2013-03-07 10:53:28 AM  
If they wanted, they'd probably be able to pry John Mayberry, Jr. from the Phillies for not much (maybe a mid-level prospect) to take over for Tex for a while. Guy is a good 1B & outfielder, has some power, hits lefties fairly well, has some speed, and can be a decent off-the-bench guy or defensive substitute later on in the season. Just... stick him near the bottom of the lineup when facing a righty with a slider. Because he cannot hit a right-handed slider even if you told him if was coming, how fast it would be, and the exact path and location of the ball as it approached the plate.

Failing that, I reiterate (from a thread several days ago) that Laynce Nix can be had for a bunch of practice-swing donuts and some bagels.
 
2013-03-07 10:53:33 AM  

Aar1012: Somehow, they'll still make it to the NLCS


That would be a neat trick.
 
2013-03-07 10:53:45 AM  
Teixeira doesn't start hitting until June anyway
 
2013-03-07 10:54:30 AM  

Aar1012: Somehow, they'll still make it to the NLCS.


I'll bet you 10 million dollars that the Yankees won't make it to the NLCS anytime in the near future.
 
2013-03-07 10:56:46 AM  

Joe_diGriz: Aar1012: Somehow, they'll still make it to the NLCS.

I'll bet you 10 million dollars that the Yankees won't make it to the NLCS anytime in the near future.


same odds as the astros
 
2013-03-07 10:59:44 AM  

chimp_ninja: They're making bad decision after bad decision with their roster, to the point that it plays out like parody.  Letting Swisher go and keeping Ichiro?  Adding depth by signing Travis Hafner?


Swisher was not a long term fit, nor worth what he was asking. Hafner is a one year deal in response to A-Rod. What exactly would YOU have done, particularly given Hal's mandate that you can't be over 189 in 2014?
 
2013-03-07 11:02:30 AM  

The Bestest: Swisher was not a long term fit, nor worth what he was asking. Hafner is a one year deal in response to A-Rod. What exactly would YOU have done, particularly given Hal's mandate that you can't be over 189 in 2014?


What exactly is the plan?  Wait out the old guys' contracts?  I don't see how they can "cheapen" their current payroll.  Not a hostile question or anything, I'm just wondering if there is any general consensus given that it looks like cashman has to do something drastic.
 
2013-03-07 11:04:29 AM  

Joe_diGriz: Aar1012: Somehow, they'll still make it to the NLCS.

I'll bet you 10 million dollars that the Yankees won't make it to the NLCS anytime in the near future.


I realized my mistake as soon as I had hit "Add Comment".
 
2013-03-07 11:10:31 AM  

Aar1012: I realized my mistake as soon as I had hit "Add Comment".


Couldn't pass it up. :p
 
2013-03-07 11:13:54 AM  
FTA: "Rodriguez may return in July."

umm... Really? I thought the reports were that, if everything went really, really well, he *might* be able to come back in late-August. (With many people just assuming he's out for the year, given his age and other health problems.) Is there new news that I've missed, or is this USA Today being themselves?
 
2013-03-07 11:16:50 AM  

thecpt: What exactly is the plan?  Wait out the old guys' contracts?


Yeah actually. Granderson will probably not be re-signed and A-Rod and Tex are the only real two albatrosses on the payroll. Cano will be the big free agent re-signing. After that, expect the Yankees to get a lot younger for 2014 and going forward. People keep saying the farm is barren, but I'm not buying into that doom.
 
2013-03-07 11:19:16 AM  
Yanks need to get younger anyway, so there's that silver lining if you're a Yankees fan.

/Yankees fan
 
2013-03-07 11:23:56 AM  

The Bestest: thecpt: What exactly is the plan?  Wait out the old guys' contracts?

Yeah actually. Granderson will probably not be re-signed and A-Rod and Tex are the only real two albatrosses on the payroll. Cano will be the big free agent re-signing. After that, expect the Yankees to get a lot younger for 2014 and going forward. People keep saying the farm is barren, but I'm not buying into that doom.


The Scranton Wilkes-Barre Yankees were in 1st place last year in their league (despite not having a home stadium).  So were the Trenton Thunder.  I don't know if this is a great way of judging the farm system's talents, but I'm sure it doesn't hurt.
 
2013-03-07 11:24:55 AM  

The Bestest: People keep saying the farm is barren, but I'm not buying into that doom


Those are the same people who probably didnt' think much of Austin Jackson, and now they'll jump at the chance to make fun of the Yankees for it.
 
2013-03-07 11:38:54 AM  

The Bestest: Swisher was not a long term fit, nor worth what he was asking. Hafner is a one year deal in response to A-Rod. What exactly would YOU have done, particularly given Hal's mandate that you can't be over 189 in 2014?


1) Understand that your greatest weakness is age.  Sign younger, healthy guys, even if they're not as good as a healthy Hafner.  Don't look at Hafner's splits and imagine what would happen if he played 120 games.  Look at Hafner and realize you're probably paying him for 60 games, and move on.  Assume you're going to need to DH Jeter and recently injured guys, so you don't have the bench space for a platoon DH.

2) Understand the aging curve.  Don't re-sign Ichiro because he had a couple good months for you, unless you're doing it as a marketing ploy.

3) You don't really need a "plan" to get under $189M in salary.  You're stuck with $50M to A-Rod plus Tex for probably not much performance, plus CC's salary.  Other than that, you have no one on the books for 2014, except Ichiro for $6.5M and a $3M buyout for Jeter.  So all you have to do is build a team for 2014 with the $110M you have left over, which is more money than 22 teams spent last year.  Plus, you have the head start of an ace pitcher and a couple veterans who can probably still play league-average baseball.  There's plenty of room for a Swisher contract on that team-- the Indians had a $66M payroll last year, and they found room.
 
2013-03-07 11:40:15 AM  

Primitive Screwhead: Kid Mojo: I hope everyone realizes this is an elaborate ruse to get out of the WBC and not peak too early. Again.

Yeah, that's exactly how I see it. The Yanks will find a way to stay in close 2nd or 3rd place. Then late July/early August rolls around, all the players come back and within two weeks everyone's firing on all cylinders. Pushing the Yankees into 1st.

/stupid yankees.....


This was an entertaining read.
 
2013-03-07 11:44:57 AM  

Rex_Banner: This was an entertaining read.

___________________________________________

"CURTIS BE LOVE? I THINK IT COULD BE"

Now that's classic and I heard it in my head perfectly.
 
2013-03-07 11:45:16 AM  
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2013-03-07 11:50:24 AM  

idesofmarch: The Scranton Wilkes-Barre Yankees were in 1st place last year in their league (despite not having a home stadium).


So the Yankees let Chris Dickerson walk last year.  I'm not saying he's the answer to their problems, but he has a career 101 OPS+ in limited (258 G) major league play, and he hit .316/.417/.515 in AAA last year.  He can probably spell guys on defense in the outfield, as he's primarily a CF.  He runs the bases well enough to pinch run for your aging sluggers late in a game.

Why not let him DH instead of Hafner?  It's a small example of the many moves they've made lately that suggest the Yankees aren't even aware of how old and fragile they are.  They need their 25th man a lot more than most teams.
 
2013-03-07 11:51:40 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-07 11:52:54 AM  

Rex_Banner: This was an entertaining read.


Alex Rodriguez hits eight home runs in the month, and Michael Pineda wins all five of his starts. Ivan Nova wins his 20th, and Kevin Youkilis gets his 100th RBI at Fenway Park because the baseball gods are basically the little kid with the skull T-shirt from the firstToy Story.

Win
 
2013-03-07 11:54:35 AM  
Just once, I'd like to see the Yankees spend a couple of years rebuilding. You know, like the other 29 teams who have to pay their dues.
 
2013-03-07 11:55:47 AM  

Rex_Banner: This was an entertaining read.


The analogy to the 2012 Phillies is apt.  I'm sure if I dug up Fark threads from a year ago there would be all kinds of people assuming it's still 2007 and Utley and Howard are awesome.

October: Alex Rodriguez gives the rest of the team the chicken pox and falls down an open manhole.
 
2013-03-07 11:58:57 AM  

SkylineRecords: Just once, I'd like to see the Yankees spend a couple of years rebuilding. You know, like the other 29 teams who have to pay their dues.


They probably will. 2013 will likely be the "last gasp" year and the end of the "Jeter Era" (by that I mean the core team that started in 1996; if Mo and/or Pettitte retire for realsies after this year, I will consider the Jeter era to be over even if Jeter is still playing). After that I fully expect the Yankees to be in rebuilding mode for 2-3 years.

Whether or not a rebuilding Yankees is till good enough to make the playoffs is another issue entirely.
 
2013-03-07 12:05:19 PM  

The Bestest: SkylineRecords: Just once, I'd like to see the Yankees spend a couple of years rebuilding. You know, like the other 29 teams who have to pay their dues.

They probably will. 2013 will likely be the "last gasp" year and the end of the "Jeter Era" (by that I mean the core team that started in 1996; if Mo and/or Pettitte retire for realsies after this year, I will consider the Jeter era to be over even if Jeter is still playing). After that I fully expect the Yankees to be in rebuilding mode for 2-3 years.

Whether or not a rebuilding Yankees is till good enough to make the playoffs is another issue entirely.


Their definition of rebuilding is throwing money at free agents who produce well and trading several prospects for the same types of producers. I bet next year, they pick up Jacoby Ellsbury, Roy Halladay, and Hunter Pence.
 
2013-03-07 12:07:57 PM  

The Bestest: They probably will. 2013 will likely be the "last gasp" year and the end of the "Jeter Era" (by that I mean the core team that started in 1996; if Mo and/or Pettitte retire for realsies after this year, I will consider the Jeter era to be over even if Jeter is still playing). After that I fully expect the Yankees to be in rebuilding mode for 2-3 years.


Interesting scenario: Let's say Jeter plays 2013.  His ankle is nagging, and he cements a place as the worst defensive shortstop in baseball besides his own backup.  He can't run the bases as well, so the steals vanish.  His power has already declined, and age keeps it away.  The bum ankle takes away a few infield hits, which really hurts his game because he had 42 last year.  Now he'shiatting an empty .275.  The team tanks and it becomes obvious that 2014 will be rebuilding time.

Jeter tries to exercise his player option of $8M for 2014.  You have a $3M buyout.  Do you take it?

By the numbers, you'd say "$8M for a 40 year old shortstop who is running on fumes?  No way."  But the decision gets interesting when the shortstop is a historically marketable and well-liked player.
 
2013-03-07 12:15:37 PM  

chimp_ninja: Jeter tries to exercise his player option of $8M for 2014.  You have a $3M buyout.  Do you take it?


If Jeter wants to play in 2014, he plays, especially if he is close to any particular record milestone. Same reason they gave Ichiro a two year deal. It becomes less a baseball decision at that point than a marketing one. See also: Jones, Chipper 2012.

SkylineRecords: Their definition of rebuilding is throwing money at free agents who produce well and trading several prospects for the same types of producers.


Historically yes, but I actually think this year will be a catalyst for a change in philosophy. The perfect storm of age, injuries and the payroll situation could mark a turning point.
That's what I'm hoping for at least.
 
2013-03-07 12:26:20 PM  
The Bestest: chimp_ninja: Jeter tries to exercise his player option of $8M for 2014.  You have a $3M buyout.  Do you take it?

If Jeter wants to play in 2014, he plays, especially if he is close to any particular record milestone. Same reason they gave Ichiro a two year deal. It becomes less a baseball decision at that point than a marketing one. See also: Jones, Chipper 2012.

SkylineRecords: Their definition of rebuilding is throwing money at free agents who produce well and trading several prospects for the same types of producers.

Historically yes, but I actually think this year will be a catalyst for a change in philosophy. The perfect storm of age, injuries and the payroll situation could mark a turning point.
That's what I'm hoping for at least.


Fingers crossed.
 
2013-03-07 12:30:18 PM  
You people are heartless. Have you once considered the fact that there a 3-year-olds who've lived their entire lives without experiencing a Yankees championship
 
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