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(Daily Mail)   Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish a five-foot cross out of the pond that the village atheist tossed in there, he'll biatch for a lifetime   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 115
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2013-03-07 07:24:57 AM
Another Dump taken on the internet for everyone else to smell thanks to the Daily Fail.

timsellers.net
 
2013-03-07 07:40:04 AM
FTA: 'I am not religious, but it doesn't bother me if someone wants to plant a cross on the green. What I do think is that the gentleman should have gone about it in a different way.'

We have a rational thinker here...string em up
 
2013-03-07 07:44:20 AM
Is Village Atheist an appointed or elected position?
 
2013-03-07 08:10:20 AM
Daily Fail, with sweat and dead mans ball
 
Skr
2013-03-07 08:11:29 AM
Had to run to Wiki to find out who the Worzel Gummidge was that they referred to.

/some scarecrow dude in a work of fiction.
 
2013-03-07 08:11:44 AM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Is Village Atheist an appointed or elected position?


Back in Ireland, my great-great grandad was the Village Atheist. Got fired though - quality of his work wasn't high enough.
 
2013-03-07 08:12:24 AM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Is Village Atheist an appointed or elected position?


Nominations are taken and the person selected in a Grump Off.
 
2013-03-07 08:13:25 AM
I thought it was:

Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day.
Teach a man to fish and he'll sit in a boat and drink beer all day.
 
2013-03-07 08:15:29 AM
A retired lawyer was so offended whenhislocal church placed a wooden cross

Atheist indeed.
 
2013-03-07 08:18:33 AM
While six people said they did object to the cross's position on the green, 21 residents said they did not.

He added: 'I do not accept the validity of this voting process and I will not yield to the obvious arrogance of the church.'


Yeah, it's the church that's being "arrogant".  The guy's just a childish, sore loser with too much time on his hands.
 
2013-03-07 08:19:11 AM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Is Village Atheist an appointed or elected position?


It's the new politically correct term for "village idiot"
 
2013-03-07 08:20:09 AM
And after retrieving the cross he immediately climbed up on it and started screaming about how he was being oppressed.
 
2013-03-07 08:21:01 AM
Asshole people problems.
 
2013-03-07 08:22:16 AM
I guess in the PC age, they had to rename the position of "Village Idiot"
 
2013-03-07 08:22:20 AM
He said the issue had caused a 'great deal of upset in the village' and that Mr Pickard should have spoken to the local vicar if he took umbrage to the positioning of the cross

The vicar obviously didn't talk to him before putting up the cross, so why in God's name would he talk to the vicar before tearing it down?
 
2013-03-07 08:22:23 AM

Itstoearly: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Is Village Atheist an appointed or elected position?

It's the new politically correct term for "village idiot"


Yes, of course. Unlike religion, atheism isn't an ironclad gaurantee of not being an asshole.
 
2013-03-07 08:22:28 AM
I would place a small wager that if the local Muslim group erected a mini minaret with a loudspeaker that called people to prayer 5 times a day on public property, the Christians would certainly have a thing or two to say.
 
2013-03-07 08:22:56 AM
Guerrilla Atheism... These guys are just as bad as the evangelical nuts they're opposed to, the smart thing to do would've been to wait until the 20th and erect a damn Ostara altar right next to that sumbiatch, a la the "non-nativities" in...crap...California somewhere, wasn't it? I don't remember...
Then again, this is from the Daily Fail, so I immediately also have to assume they just photoshopped the old man next to the cross and invented this story out of whole cloth...
 
2013-03-07 08:23:01 AM

Itstoearly: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Is Village Atheist an appointed or elected position?

It's the new politically correct term for "village idiot"


You win this time....but I will be back!
 
2013-03-07 08:25:04 AM

jso2897: Itstoearly: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Is Village Atheist an appointed or elected position?

It's the new politically correct term for "village idiot"

Yes, of course. Unlike religion, atheism isn't an ironclad gaurantee of not being an asshole.


firedaily.com

/life is too short to be angry all the time
 
2013-03-07 08:27:25 AM

Itstoearly: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Is Village Atheist an appointed or elected position?

It's the new politically correct term for "village idiot"


In America, the term is "Palin-American".
 
2013-03-07 08:27:34 AM

jso2897: Itstoearly: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Is Village Atheist an appointed or elected position?

It's the new politically correct term for "village idiot"

Yes, of course. Unlike religion, atheism isn't an ironclad guarantee of not being an asshole.


The snark! It burns! +1 to you, sir.
 
2013-03-07 08:30:01 AM
FTFAS: "Mr Pickard dragged the cross (pictured in the grounds of St. John the Baptist Church) into a nearby duck pond, later accusing the church of 'arrogance'

In small villages in parts of England the church yard IS the village green.

Conclusion: Atheistic assholedrey
 
2013-03-07 08:30:12 AM

Shmopee: jso2897: Itstoearly: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Is Village Atheist an appointed or elected position?

It's the new politically correct term for "village idiot"

Yes, of course. Unlike religion, atheism isn't an ironclad guarantee of not being an asshole.

The snark! It burns! +1 to you, sir.


I say we try to be a little more understanding of the poor oppressed Christians. I mean anyone who practices ritual symbolic cannibalism to appease their zombie God is already a little bit "special" right?
 
2013-03-07 08:30:23 AM
The article makes no mention of him being an atheist. He's an old crank who objected to a religious display on public property.
 
2013-03-07 08:31:12 AM
You know maybe this guy is right, maybe the cross shouldn't have been placed in a public area and should have remained on church grounds, but it's kinda hard taking the moral high-road when you're trashing someones property.
 
2013-03-07 08:32:37 AM
The cross goes back to ancient Egypt and even older.

Christians always use pagan symbols.

 It's really funny.

Pick one.
 
2013-03-07 08:33:03 AM
at least the arrogant atheist didn't burn the cross where it stood, that would have really gotten some bloomers in a bunch
 
2013-03-07 08:35:53 AM
Did the cross belong to the athiest? No? Then it's a destruction of private property issue, not a religious issue.
 
2013-03-07 08:37:33 AM

CheatCommando: Shmopee: jso2897: Itstoearly: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Is Village Atheist an appointed or elected position?

It's the new politically correct term for "village idiot"

Yes, of course. Unlike religion, atheism isn't an ironclad guarantee of not being an asshole.

The snark! It burns! +1 to you, sir.

I say we try to be a little more understanding of the poor oppressed Christians. I mean anyone who practices ritual symbolic cannibalism to appease their zombie God is already a little bit "special" right?


You need to study up on religion if you want your snark to be accurate.  "Zombie God"?  Give that one some thought.
 
2013-03-07 08:39:43 AM
I thought the saying was light a man a fire and he'll stay warm for a night, light a man on fire and he'll stay warm for the rest of his life.
 
2013-03-07 08:40:21 AM

BenJammin: A retired lawyer was so offended whenhislocal church placed a wooden cross

Atheist indeed.


He could be. When people on this side of the Atlantic say that, they mean the church closest to him. So the nearest butcher or off-licence to you would be described as "your local butcher" or "your local off-licence", even if you were a (shudder) teetotal vegetarian.

/In 150 years speakers of Americans and Brits are going to need translators to communicate with each other.
//Assuming Spanish isn't the dominant language in the US by then.
///Colour
 
2013-03-07 08:41:40 AM
The church should have kept the cross on their own property.

The guy was an asshole for tearing it down and throwing it into a pond.
 
2013-03-07 08:42:00 AM
/both sides are bad, so vote Buddhist
 
2013-03-07 08:42:43 AM

EightyEight: at least the arrogant atheist didn't burn the cross where it stood, that would have really gotten some bloomers in a bunch


Then it just becomes an inter-faith issue.

Not nearly as much fun.
 
2013-03-07 08:48:57 AM

Oliver Twisted: You need to study up on religion if you want your snark to be accurate.  "Zombie God"?  Give that one some thought.


Only for those filthy Unitarians. Trinitarians believe in Zombie God, Ghost God, and Big Kahuna God.

If your savior can take four nails in the distal joints and a spear to the chest, he can take a joke.
 
2013-03-07 08:53:50 AM

Oliver Twisted: CheatCommando: Shmopee: jso2897: Itstoearly: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Is Village Atheist an appointed or elected position?

It's the new politically correct term for "village idiot"

Yes, of course. Unlike religion, atheism isn't an ironclad guarantee of not being an asshole.

The snark! It burns! +1 to you, sir.

I say we try to be a little more understanding of the poor oppressed Christians. I mean anyone who practices ritual symbolic cannibalism to appease their zombie God is already a little bit "special" right?

You need to study up on religion if you want your snark to be accurate.  "Zombie God"?  Give that one some thought.


John 3:10 "I and the Father are one"
I Corinthians 15:4 "He was buried, and he was raised from the dead on the third day, just as the Scriptures said."

Jesus said I am Lord and then rose from the dead after three days... I'd say "Zombie God" about covers it...
 
2013-03-07 08:54:48 AM
Leave the cross in the duck pond for a couple of hundred years and someone will attach some religious significance to it.
 
2013-03-07 08:54:51 AM

hardinparamedic: Oliver Twisted: You need to study up on religion if you want your snark to be accurate.  "Zombie God"?  Give that one some thought.

Only for those filthy Unitarians. Trinitarians believe in Zombie God, Ghost God, and Big Kahuna God.

If your savior can take four nails in the distal joints and a spear to the chest, he can take a joke.


Also this, well said, sir.
 
2013-03-07 08:55:01 AM
Where's the HERO tag?

Keep your ancient torture/execution devices in your own yard.
 
2013-03-07 08:55:32 AM

SmackLT: The church should have kept the cross on their own property.

The guy was an asshole for tearing it down and throwing it into a pond.


This is really all that needs to be said.
 
2013-03-07 08:56:33 AM

Shmopee: Also this, well said, sir.


Also, just to be clear, the "filthy" was meant to be snark and reflect the disdain that Trinitarians have for Unitarians, and vice versa.

It was not implied to be an insult to the clearly superior doctrine of Unitarianism. :P
 
2013-03-07 08:56:50 AM

Shmopee: Oliver Twisted: CheatCommando: Shmopee: jso2897: Itstoearly: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Is Village Atheist an appointed or elected position?

It's the new politically correct term for "village idiot"

Yes, of course. Unlike religion, atheism isn't an ironclad guarantee of not being an asshole.

The snark! It burns! +1 to you, sir.

I say we try to be a little more understanding of the poor oppressed Christians. I mean anyone who practices ritual symbolic cannibalism to appease their zombie God is already a little bit "special" right?

You need to study up on religion if you want your snark to be accurate.  "Zombie God"?  Give that one some thought.

John 3:10 "I and the Father are one"
I Corinthians 15:4 "He was buried, and he was raised from the dead on the third day, just as the Scriptures said."

Jesus said I am Lord and then rose from the dead after three days... I'd say "Zombie God" about covers it...


Thanks. You spared me a fair amount of typing. It is hilarious to watch Christians clutch their pearls when you treat their beliefs with the same respect they give to every other religion in the world.
 
2013-03-07 08:58:25 AM

hardinparamedic: Shmopee: Also this, well said, sir.

Also, just to be clear, the "filthy" was meant to be snark and reflect the disdain that Trinitarians have for Unitarians, and vice versa.

It was not implied to be an insult to the clearly superior doctrine of Unitarianism. :P


Apologies, I was too quick on the reply button, meant specifically the last line about taking a joke.
 
2013-03-07 09:01:03 AM

hardinparamedic: Oliver Twisted: You need to study up on religion if you want your snark to be accurate.  "Zombie God"?  Give that one some thought.

Only for those filthy Unitarians. Trinitarians believe in Zombie God, Ghost God, and Big Kahuna God.

If your savior can take four nails in the distal joints and a spear to the chest, he can take a joke.


He also took what can be assumed was a veritable petri dish of STDs from Mary of Magdala and nobody ever heard him complain about the itchies. So yeah right there with you.
 
2013-03-07 09:03:00 AM

Fausts Fist: He also took what can be assumed was a veritable petri dish of STDs from Mary of Magdala and nobody ever heard him complain about the itchies. So yeah right there with you.


Jesus was a pretty cool guy. He hung out with thieves, prostitutes, and lepers and pretty much brought them out of their situations and helped them to be better people. He even healed a few.

Pharisees, on the other hand, used their faith and works to attract attention to themselves and hold themselves above everyone else.

It's amazing how many modern day Pharisees we see.
 
2013-03-07 09:03:44 AM
It was 21-6. The atheist is a sore loser. Why should he care if they want to put up a cross? It's easy to ignore.

/atheist
 
2013-03-07 09:06:34 AM

katerbug72: It was 21-6. The atheist is a sore loser. Why should he care if they want to put up a cross? It's easy to ignore.

/atheist


Probably because the EU Charter on Human Rights, as well as the UK Human Rights Act of 1998 and the Equal Rights Act of 2010, establish the separation of Church and State - which explicitly forbids the use of public land to make an endorsement of religion.

Since we're on this topic, I need to put up a Nazi Swastica and a noose on public land to express the faith of the Aryan Skinheads. You really shouldn't care if I do so. It's easy to ignore.
 
2013-03-07 09:07:22 AM

CheatCommando: Shmopee: Oliver Twisted: CheatCommando: Shmopee: jso2897: Itstoearly: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Is Village Atheist an appointed or elected position?

It's the new politically correct term for "village idiot"

Yes, of course. Unlike religion, atheism isn't an ironclad guarantee of not being an asshole.

The snark! It burns! +1 to you, sir.

I say we try to be a little more understanding of the poor oppressed Christians. I mean anyone who practices ritual symbolic cannibalism to appease their zombie God is already a little bit "special" right?

You need to study up on religion if you want your snark to be accurate.  "Zombie God"?  Give that one some thought.

John 3:10 "I and the Father are one"
I Corinthians 15:4 "He was buried, and he was raised from the dead on the third day, just as the Scriptures said."

Jesus said I am Lord and then rose from the dead after three days... I'd say "Zombie God" about covers it...

Thanks. You spared me a fair amount of typing. It is hilarious to watch Christians clutch their pearls when you treat their beliefs with the same respect they give to every other religion in the world.


And this is just the general disdain, I refrain from their rampant "you don't agree with me, so fark you, burn in our version of the underworld, whose name we stole from the Norse pantheon, just like we stole everything else in our dogma, right up to and including the generally accepted visage of our God"

/Okay, that was a little preachy, and I apologize, but really, Christian God and Zeus, does nobody else see that?
//Also, on the outside chance the Christians are right, that means Gandhi is burning in the hellfire and I am NOT okay with that.
 
2013-03-07 09:10:44 AM

Shmopee: //Also, on the outside chance the Christians are right, that means Gandhi is burning in the hellfire and I am NOT okay with that.


Gandhi was kind of a dick. He spoke pretty highly of our good friend Adolf after WWII because of how badly he stuck it to the French and British.
 
2013-03-07 09:16:55 AM
hardinparamedic: Jesus was a pretty cool guy. He hung out with thieves, prostitutes, and lepers and pretty much brought them out of their situations and helped them to be better people. He even healed a few.

This. Forever this. Jesus was everybody's homeboy, was accepting of all and didn't care about where you worshiped, so long as you had faith. Now look what happened... Reminds me of that line in Dogma (reformed Kevin Smith fanboy) when Chris Rock was talking about how upset J.C. was with us.
"...it bothers Him to see the shiat that gets carried out in His name - wars, bigotry, televangelism.", this leads into the speech about how beliefs are dangerous, etc., which is also a good point, but this in particular really stuck with me, it helped me understand the concept of Jesus as guy who actually walked the earth as opposed to construct of a religion; gave me a whole new understanding of what the Christian faith was based on.

And yet, Pat Robertson...
 
2013-03-07 09:21:35 AM

hardinparamedic: Shmopee: //Also, on the outside chance the Christians are right, that means Gandhi is burning in the hellfire and I am NOT okay with that.

Gandhi was kind of a dick. He spoke pretty highly of our good friend Adolf after WWII because of how badly he stuck it to the French and British.


Well, he was still human...

Also the Irish had some pretty good things to say about ole Adolf back in day as they were hoping his total destruction of England would mean the end of English rule...

*shrug* Everybody farks up.
 
2013-03-07 09:29:39 AM
Read the comments on a Daily Fail article and you'll understand why they have a 3:1 sentence to picture ratio.
 
2013-03-07 09:37:18 AM

Rapmaster2000: Read the comments on a Daily Fail article and you'll understand why they have a 3:1 sentence to picture ratio.


I just assumed it was because so many of their readers are geriatric invalids that it was the only way most of them would be able to actually see any part of the story.
 
2013-03-07 09:37:42 AM

publikenemy: FTA: 'I am not religious, but it doesn't bother me if someone wants to plant a cross on the green. What I do think is that the gentleman should have gone about it in a different way.'

We have a rational thinker here...string em up


Yeah, I think this guy would have come off as less of an asshole if instead he took it back to the church and propped it up against their doors or something.  More of a "keep your shiat where it belongs" message than just tossing it in the lake which is more likely to just piss people off.

Of course, assuming any of this is actually true.  It's the Daily Fail, so probably not.
 
2013-03-07 09:41:15 AM
So if the local Nazi chapter had stuck a swastika flag out there, would he have been right or wrong to chuck it in the lake? I'm confused.
 
2013-03-07 09:42:58 AM

Epicedion: So if the local Nazi chapter had stuck a swastika flag out there, would he have been right or wrong to chuck it in the lake? I'm confused.


You're not wrong, Walter, you're just an asshole.
 
2013-03-07 09:43:27 AM

Burr: jso2897: Itstoearly: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Is Village Atheist an appointed or elected position?

It's the new politically correct term for "village idiot"

Yes, of course. Unlike religion, atheism isn't an ironclad gaurantee of not being an asshole.

[firedaily.com image 299x223]

/life is too short to be angry all the time


Quite right, but - apropos of what?
 
2013-03-07 09:44:52 AM
Good for him.
 
2013-03-07 09:46:10 AM

Shmopee: jso2897: Itstoearly: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Is Village Atheist an appointed or elected position?

It's the new politically correct term for "village idiot"

Yes, of course. Unlike religion, atheism isn't an ironclad guarantee of not being an asshole.

The snark! It burns! +1 to you, sir.


Who's being snarky? I'm just pointing out that there is no religion or lack thereof  that will make you an asshole, or keep you from being one.
 
2013-03-07 09:47:58 AM

Marcus Aurelius: He said the issue had caused a 'great deal of upset in the village' and that Mr Pickard should have spoken to the local vicar if he took umbrage to the positioning of the cross

The vicar obviously didn't talk to him before putting up the cross, so why in God's name would he talk to the vicar before tearing it down?


Big amounts of secular THIS.

Epicedion: So if the local Nazi chapter had stuck a swastika flag out there, would he have been right or wrong to chuck it in the lake? I'm confused.


Also THIS godwin.

A group with ideals and values you disagree with who as a group have caused the agonizing deaths of millions and have a youth chapter to indoctrinate young people in the ideals and values before they have a chance to get a decent world view (I`m looking at YOU Christians) put up their symbol on public ground without consulting. Of course you should be vindicated in removing it.
 
2013-03-07 09:48:41 AM

Deep Contact: The cross goes back to ancient Egypt and even older.

Christians always use pagan symbols.

 It's really funny.

Pick one.


We all know the cross being used for executions go back further than Jesus' death, but it is the symbol of his sacrifice.

As for the others like the word Easter, bunny and egg, I do agree we could find something that fits the actual meaning of the day that is being honored.  That and Christmas being celebrated on Yule was set up by the Catholic church and no one bothered to do anything about it because of tradition.
 
2013-03-07 09:49:57 AM

jso2897: Unlike religion, atheism isn't an ironclad gaurantee of not being an asshole.


You claim religion IS an ironclad guarantee of not being an asshole.

THAT is the snark.
 
2013-03-07 09:53:30 AM

lack of warmth: We all know the cross being used for executions go back further than Jesus' death, but it is the symbol of his sacrifice.


If we are using the symbol of his sacrifice then we should use a big X because that is the type of cross jesus would have been hung up on because they hurt more than a traditional cross type. Also the holes from the nails would have been in the wrists because if you put them in your palms then the flesh rips and you end up with big spock type V flippers on the end of your arms so everyone with stigmata who got holes in the hands instead of the wrists was making it up...
 
2013-03-07 09:55:20 AM

Deep Contact: The cross goes back to ancient Egypt and even older.

Christians always use pagan symbols.

 It's really funny.

Pick one.


For example the ruby slippers the pope wears are from the Wizard of Oz.
 
2013-03-07 09:58:34 AM

lack of warmth: Deep Contact: The cross goes back to ancient Egypt and even older.

Christians always use pagan symbols.

 It's really funny.

Pick one.

We all know the cross being used for executions go back further than Jesus' death, but it is the symbol of his sacrifice.

As for the others like the word Easter, bunny and egg, I do agree we could find something that fits the actual meaning of the day that is being honored.  That and Christmas being celebrated on Yule was set up by the Catholic church and no one bothered to do anything about it because of tradition.


The symbol of his sacrifice goes back to the spring equinox and the zodiac. The cross is just a compass. I love how people think they worship the Son of God and it really is the Sun of God.
 
2013-03-07 10:01:49 AM

Epicedion: So if the local Nazi chapter had stuck a swastika flag out there, would he have been right or wrong to chuck it in the lake? I'm confused.


Careful. Someone might get their feelings hurt.
 
2013-03-07 10:02:53 AM

Shmopee: Also the Irish had some pretty good things to say about ole Adolf back in day as they were hoping his total destruction of England would mean the end of English rule


I think you mean the Kaiser in this case. Ireland was not part of the UK in WWII and spent the war neutral.
 
2013-03-07 10:04:01 AM

Deep Contact: I love how people think they worship the Son of God and it really is the Sun of God.


Or Osiris. He has prior art on the coming back from the dead thing. Although he was more literal, as he fathered a child after his resurrection.
 
2013-03-07 10:08:49 AM

jso2897: Shmopee: jso2897: Itstoearly: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Is Village Atheist an appointed or elected position?

It's the new politically correct term for "village idiot"

Yes, of course. Unlike religion, atheism isn't an ironclad guarantee of not being an asshole.

The snark! It burns! +1 to you, sir.

Who's being snarky? I'm just pointing out that there is no religion or lack thereof  that will make you an asshole, or keep you from being one.


I got that, it's the subtle shade that your phrasing put on it that immediately calls to mind all the crazy shiat that gets done in the name of religion (e.g., Westboro, the Crusades, "good" Christians sending some poor girl death threats on Facebook because she had the nerve to want a cross or the commandments, or whatever it was, removed from her school, how it's okay to have nativity scenes in the park, but a Saturnalia celebration would last exactly no seconds anywhere, etc.) that just seems to be okay, whereas if a Satanist or a Wiccan wanted to throw up some imagery somewhere, they're immediately bad people and need to be banned from everything ever and hunted to extinction, but 20 years of priest/boy love scandals barely even make the ticker on CNN anymore; my point being, whether intentioned or not, it struck me as funny and I giggled.
 
2013-03-07 10:12:56 AM
"Of course every one has their opinions but Mr Pickard could have could about this in a different way"

A different way:
www.artcriesout.com
 
2013-03-07 10:13:59 AM

jso2897: Shmopee: jso2897: Itstoearly: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Is Village Atheist an appointed or elected position?

It's the new politically correct term for "village idiot"

Yes, of course. Unlike religion, atheism isn't an ironclad guarantee of not being an asshole.

The snark! It burns! +1 to you, sir.

Who's being snarky? I'm just pointing out that there is no religion or lack thereof  that will make you an asshole, or keep you from being one.


Also, what DEADLY ZIM said; my point, only much more concise.
 
2013-03-07 10:15:29 AM
"He was an embittered atheist, the sort of atheist who does not so much disbelieve in God as personally dislike Him." - George Orwell
 
2013-03-07 10:16:06 AM

GoldDude: "Of course every one has their opinions but Mr Pickard could have could about this in a different way"

A different way:
[www.artcriesout.com image 250x333]


If we go by the litmus test of "Voters approved of it 21:6", sounds okay in my book.

After all, all or none, right?
 
2013-03-07 10:16:24 AM

Shmopee: jso2897: Shmopee: jso2897: Itstoearly: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Is Village Atheist an appointed or elected position?

It's the new politically correct term for "village idiot"

Yes, of course. Unlike religion, atheism isn't an ironclad guarantee of not being an asshole.

The snark! It burns! +1 to you, sir.

Who's being snarky? I'm just pointing out that there is no religion or lack thereof  that will make you an asshole, or keep you from being one.

Also, what DEADLY ZIM said; my point, only much more concise.


Deadly? I can run with that.
 
2013-03-07 10:24:16 AM

hardinparamedic: katerbug72: It was 21-6. The atheist is a sore loser. Why should he care if they want to put up a cross? It's easy to ignore.

/atheist

Probably because the EU Charter on Human Rights, as well as the UK Human Rights Act of 1998 and the Equal Rights Act of 2010, establish the separation of Church and State - which explicitly forbids the use of public land to make an endorsement of religion.

Since we're on this topic, I need to put up a Nazi Swastica and a noose on public land to express the faith of the Aryan Skinheads. You really shouldn't care if I do so. It's easy to ignore.


Whatever floats your boat. Not my place to tear your shiat down.
 
2013-03-07 10:28:03 AM

CheatCommando: Shmopee: Also the Irish had some pretty good things to say about ole Adolf back in day as they were hoping his total destruction of England would mean the end of English rule

I think you mean the Kaiser in this case. Ireland was not part of the UK in WWII and spent the war neutral.


Nope, meant the Nazis, just bad phrasing on my part; the Irish Free State (IFS) was officially neutral at the time and many IFS fighters did fight for the Brits, but the pro-Republic government (the IFS was known as The Republic of Ireland as of 1933), had such a raging hate-boner for England they were secretly helping Nazi Germany in the hope that Adolf and co. would crush the living shiat out them; it was also part of the reason they gave England limited port access and what-not, they didn't want Britain invading for strategic purposes.

The main goal was just to get out unscathed, autonomy intact.
 
2013-03-07 10:30:31 AM

dready zim: Shmopee: jso2897: Shmopee: jso2897: Itstoearly: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Is Village Atheist an appointed or elected position?

It's the new politically correct term for "village idiot"

Yes, of course. Unlike religion, atheism isn't an ironclad guarantee of not being an asshole.

The snark! It burns! +1 to you, sir.

Who's being snarky? I'm just pointing out that there is no religion or lack thereof  that will make you an asshole, or keep you from being one.

Also, what DEADLY ZIM said; my point, only much more concise.

Deadly? I can run with that.


HA! Fingers type faster than brain can process... Guess that's what they make the preview button for; I should really start using that thing.
 
2013-03-07 10:44:23 AM

Rufus Lee King: Listen, if that sodding git, or whatever term they use over there, is 82 years old, he must have witnessed first-hand the things that Nazis were doing. He wants to act like one of them?


I'm not sure which is worse, your grasp of history or your understanding of what atheism is.

Also:
Gandhi wasn't 'kind of' a dick he was a full blown regressive asshole who did more damage to India than he did good. He was a known racist and sexist, and a technophobe to boot.
 
2013-03-07 10:46:36 AM

dready zim: lack of warmth: We all know the cross being used for executions go back further than Jesus' death, but it is the symbol of his sacrifice.

If we are using the symbol of his sacrifice then we should use a big X because that is the type of cross jesus would have been hung up on because they hurt more than a traditional cross type. Also the holes from the nails would have been in the wrists because if you put them in your palms then the flesh rips and you end up with big spock type V flippers on the end of your arms so everyone with stigmata who got holes in the hands instead of the wrists was making it up...


No, the Romans used the cross the way depicted for years.  History channel did a special about the science behind the claim of how Jesus died, the nails would've been in the hands, but at the base of palm not the center.  At the base of the palm you have a group of bones that do have a natural hole that can support your weight without tear out.  The gap in the wrist is big enough to tear out if the person pulls hard enough, the place in palm cannot be pulled out by the person being executed.

As for the x being more painful, I don't see where changing the shape would mean more pain but would shorten the life a little quicker.  The point of the traditional cross was to make the person suffocate from hanging by their arms, but also give them a chance to extend their life by giving them a foot hold to push up to get some breath.  The feet were positioned to not allow the victim to stand for very long before going back to hanging by the arms.  All the while not letting the victim to rest and rubbing their back against the wood.  Typically they were up there for days constantly shifting their weight before finally giving in to the exhaustion.  That is without the nails and severe flogging that came with more serious charges such as declaring yourself king over a Roman controlled land.  They went on to explain why Jesus died quicker than expected, due to him collapsing while carrying the cross piece.  You should check it out, it is all science based and proves the validity of the account given.
 
2013-03-07 10:56:02 AM

Rufus Lee King: Listen, if that sodding git, or whatever term they use over there, is 82 years old, he must have witnessed first-hand the things that Nazis were doing. He wants to act like one of them?


That's funny considering the Nazis' embraced Christianity when they came into power and Hitler realized he could never replace it with German pseudo-mysticism.

www.nobeliefs.com

Gott Mit Uns means God is With Us. The Nazis convinced their supporters that they were the divine instrument of God on earth, intended to wipe the Jewish plague from creation. (I believe the phrase "They Reject the Christ and I hate them" was used during the Wannase Conference by a German law minister.)
 
2013-03-07 11:03:23 AM

katerbug72: hardinparamedic: katerbug72: It was 21-6. The atheist is a sore loser. Why should he care if they want to put up a cross? It's easy to ignore.

/atheist

Probably because the EU Charter on Human Rights, as well as the UK Human Rights Act of 1998 and the Equal Rights Act of 2010, establish the separation of Church and State - which explicitly forbids the use of public land to make an endorsement of religion.

Since we're on this topic, I need to put up a Nazi Swastica and a noose on public land to express the faith of the Aryan Skinheads. You really shouldn't care if I do so. It's easy to ignore.

Whatever floats your boat. Not my place to tear your shiat down.


That applies to the stuff in your own(church)yard. I wouldn't be bothered by whatever you choose to put there but no one gets to use public land to put up their religious displays. Put your Nazi or christian display up where it belongs and no one cares or tears it down.
 
2013-03-07 11:13:44 AM
More importantly, does he pronounce his last name like Jean Luc Picard (Pick Hard) or like Packard Motors (Pick Erd)?

Keep tossing that cross.
 
2013-03-07 11:19:15 AM

Shmopee: CheatCommando: Shmopee: Also the Irish had some pretty good things to say about ole Adolf back in day as they were hoping his total destruction of England would mean the end of English rule

I think you mean the Kaiser in this case. Ireland was not part of the UK in WWII and spent the war neutral.

Nope, meant the Nazis, just bad phrasing on my part; the Irish Free State (IFS) was officially neutral at the time and many IFS fighters did fight for the Brits, but the pro-Republic government (the IFS was known as The Republic of Ireland as of 1933), had such a raging hate-boner for England they were secretly helping Nazi Germany in the hope that Adolf and co. would crush the living shiat out them; it was also part of the reason they gave England limited port access and what-not, they didn't want Britain invading for strategic purposes.

The main goal was just to get out unscathed, autonomy intact.


I was working on "the end of English rule" as the English weren't ruling them at that point, much to Churchill's annoyance.
 
2013-03-07 11:23:39 AM

lack of warmth: You should check it out, it is all science based and proves the validity of the account given.


Your conclusion does not follow from your premise. It is perfectly possible that the story was recorded as it was because everyone knew what a crucifixion was like (they were not at all uncommon) . It is quite possible to write up made up or imagined events is a completely plausible way. I am not stating that the crucifixion did not happen, by the way, only showing that your argument is hardly convincing to anyone who is not already a believer in search of confirmation.
 
2013-03-07 11:29:52 AM

CheatCommando: Shmopee: CheatCommando: Shmopee: Also the Irish had some pretty good things to say about ole Adolf back in day as they were hoping his total destruction of England would mean the end of English rule

I think you mean the Kaiser in this case. Ireland was not part of the UK in WWII and spent the war neutral.

Nope, meant the Nazis, just bad phrasing on my part; the Irish Free State (IFS) was officially neutral at the time and many IFS fighters did fight for the Brits, but the pro-Republic government (the IFS was known as The Republic of Ireland as of 1933), had such a raging hate-boner for England they were secretly helping Nazi Germany in the hope that Adolf and co. would crush the living shiat out them; it was also part of the reason they gave England limited port access and what-not, they didn't want Britain invading for strategic purposes.

The main goal was just to get out unscathed, autonomy intact.

I was working on "the end of English rule" as the English weren't ruling them at that point, much to Churchill's annoyance.


And hence my mea culpa on bad phrasing.
 
2013-03-07 11:34:26 AM

Shmopee: CheatCommando: Shmopee: CheatCommando: Shmopee: Also the Irish had some pretty good things to say about ole Adolf back in day as they were hoping his total destruction of England would mean the end of English rule

I think you mean the Kaiser in this case. Ireland was not part of the UK in WWII and spent the war neutral.

Nope, meant the Nazis, just bad phrasing on my part; the Irish Free State (IFS) was officially neutral at the time and many IFS fighters did fight for the Brits, but the pro-Republic government (the IFS was known as The Republic of Ireland as of 1933), had such a raging hate-boner for England they were secretly helping Nazi Germany in the hope that Adolf and co. would crush the living shiat out them; it was also part of the reason they gave England limited port access and what-not, they didn't want Britain invading for strategic purposes.

The main goal was just to get out unscathed, autonomy intact.

I was working on "the end of English rule" as the English weren't ruling them at that point, much to Churchill's annoyance.

And hence my mea culpa on bad phrasing.


And I evidently need more caffeine. This is what happens when you get your first trouble ticket routed to you before you have even hit the shower.
 
2013-03-07 11:42:54 AM
I am not religious, but it doesn't bother me if someone wants to plant a cross on the green.

That's got to fluck with your golf score.
 
2013-03-07 11:48:25 AM

CheatCommando: lack of warmth: You should check it out, it is all science based and proves the validity of the account given.

Your conclusion does not follow from your premise. It is perfectly possible that the story was recorded as it was because everyone knew what a crucifixion was like (they were not at all uncommon) . It is quite possible to write up made up or imagined events is a completely plausible way. I am not stating that the crucifixion did not happen, by the way, only showing that your argument is hardly convincing to anyone who is not already a believer in search of confirmation.


Why?  I wasn't trying to put down an argument, only discussing some of the symbols.  The cross matters to those that believe, arguing won't help someone searching for confirmation.  Jesus himself didn't use signs to convert, He gave signs to those that already believed.  That is where they get 'Knowledge is the things seen, Faith is the things unseen.  All will be brought to perfect knowledge.'  If you don't agree with me, I cannot change that.  However, keep searching science and history.  Some things are true and some things are false, in time we will know which are which.

/more faith was shown by the Roman officer that asked Jesus to just say the word, to heal his servant.  The officer had faith that his servant was healed before going home to see him up and restored.  Others watched Jesus heal and still didn't believe.
//I can't help you find confirmation to this story
 
2013-03-07 11:56:57 AM

CheatCommando: Shmopee: CheatCommando: Shmopee: CheatCommando: Shmopee: Also the Irish had some pretty good things to say about ole Adolf back in day as they were hoping his total destruction of England would mean the end of English rule

I think you mean the Kaiser in this case. Ireland was not part of the UK in WWII and spent the war neutral.

Nope, meant the Nazis, just bad phrasing on my part; the Irish Free State (IFS) was officially neutral at the time and many IFS fighters did fight for the Brits, but the pro-Republic government (the IFS was known as The Republic of Ireland as of 1933), had such a raging hate-boner for England they were secretly helping Nazi Germany in the hope that Adolf and co. would crush the living shiat out them; it was also part of the reason they gave England limited port access and what-not, they didn't want Britain invading for strategic purposes.

The main goal was just to get out unscathed, autonomy intact.

I was working on "the end of English rule" as the English weren't ruling them at that point, much to Churchill's annoyance.

And hence my mea culpa on bad phrasing.

And I evidently need more caffeine. This is what happens when you get your first trouble ticket routed to you before you have even hit the shower.


The words "trouble ticket" just keep rebounding around in my head and suddenly I hate my job a lot less. Godspeed, good sir.
 
2013-03-07 12:01:41 PM

hardinparamedic: Rufus Lee King: Listen, if that sodding git, or whatever term they use over there, is 82 years old, he must have witnessed first-hand the things that Nazis were doing. He wants to act like one of them?

That's funny considering the Nazis' embraced Christianity when they came into power and Hitler realized he could never replace it with German pseudo-mysticism.

[www.nobeliefs.com image 362x281]

Gott Mit Uns means God is With Us. The Nazis convinced their supporters that they were the divine instrument of God on earth, intended to wipe the Jewish plague from creation. (I believe the phrase "They Reject the Christ and I hate them" was used during the Wannase Conference by a German law minister.)


Yes, dictators will use whatever means at hand to control the a large group of people - religion, sociology, science (fake or otherwise), etc...  That alone doesn't make any of them evil.
 
2013-03-07 12:03:22 PM

lack of warmth: CheatCommando: lack of warmth: You should check it out, it is all science based and proves the validity of the account given.

Your conclusion does not follow from your premise. It is perfectly possible that the story was recorded as it was because everyone knew what a crucifixion was like (they were not at all uncommon) . It is quite possible to write up made up or imagined events is a completely plausible way. I am not stating that the crucifixion did not happen, by the way, only showing that your argument is hardly convincing to anyone who is not already a believer in search of confirmation.

Why?  I wasn't trying to put down an argument, only discussing some of the symbols.  The cross matters to those that believe, arguing won't help someone searching for confirmation.  Jesus himself didn't use signs to convert, He gave signs to those that already believed.  That is where they get 'Knowledge is the things seen, Faith is the things unseen.  All will be brought to perfect knowledge.'  If you don't agree with me, I cannot change that.  However, keep searching science and history.  Some things are true and some things are false, in time we will know which are which.

/more faith was shown by the Roman officer that asked Jesus to just say the word, to heal his servant.  The officer had faith that his servant was healed before going home to see him up and restored.  Others watched Jesus heal and still didn't believe.
//I can't help you find confirmation to this story


You are the one that proposed the details proved the "validity" of the story. I was merely pointing out it did no such thing.  The Godfather had a lot of scientifically correct stuff in its account, and it is a work of fiction.
 
2013-03-07 12:05:46 PM

CheatCommando: lack of warmth: CheatCommando: lack of warmth: You should check it out, it is all science based and proves the validity of the account given.

Your conclusion does not follow from your premise. It is perfectly possible that the story was recorded as it was because everyone knew what a crucifixion was like (they were not at all uncommon) . It is quite possible to write up made up or imagined events is a completely plausible way. I am not stating that the crucifixion did not happen, by the way, only showing that your argument is hardly convincing to anyone who is not already a believer in search of confirmation.

Why?  I wasn't trying to put down an argument, only discussing some of the symbols.  The cross matters to those that believe, arguing won't help someone searching for confirmation.  Jesus himself didn't use signs to convert, He gave signs to those that already believed.  That is where they get 'Knowledge is the things seen, Faith is the things unseen.  All will be brought to perfect knowledge.'  If you don't agree with me, I cannot change that.  However, keep searching science and history.  Some things are true and some things are false, in time we will know which are which.

/more faith was shown by the Roman officer that asked Jesus to just say the word, to heal his servant.  The officer had faith that his servant was healed before going home to see him up and restored.  Others watched Jesus heal and still didn't believe.
//I can't help you find confirmation to this story

You are the one that proposed the details proved the "validity" of the story. I was merely pointing out it did no such thing.  The Godfather had a lot of scientifically correct stuff in its account, and it is a work of fiction.


And you are just looking for an argument.
 
2013-03-07 12:06:51 PM

Epicedion: So if the local Nazi chapter had stuck a swastika flag out there, would he have been right or wrong to chuck it in the lake? I'm confused.


No it wouldn't have been wrong.  Because it's safe to say that the town is almost universally opposed to Nazism.

At its core, this is not a religious issue, it's a social one.  Is it so hard to see that it was wrong not because it was a religious symbol, but because he knew it would piss off a majority of his peers?  It's a small village of a 150 people.  Going out of your way to offend them is the wrong thing to do.  He could have accomplished his goal a lot more diplomatically, and had the opportunity to open up a constructive dialogue that would have probably furthered his own cause more.
 
2013-03-07 12:14:43 PM

Shmopee: The words "trouble ticket" just keep rebounding around in my head and suddenly I hate my job a lot less. Godspeed, good sir.


I generally don't see them, to be honest. I am the Resource of Last Resort and we had one early this morning. Still would have been nice to be a fully functional human being before the phone rang, however.
 
2013-03-07 12:16:29 PM

lack of warmth: And you are just looking for an argument.


Well if that is the case, I guess I brought a .50 cal to a knife fight again.
 
2013-03-07 12:17:05 PM

FLMountainMan: He could have accomplished his goal a lot more diplomatically, and had the opportunity to open up a constructive dialogue that would have probably furthered his own cause more.


His cause doesn't need to be furthered. He is 100% correct and the law is on his side.
 
2013-03-07 12:24:29 PM
CheatCommando:  Still would have been nice to be a fully functional human being before the phone rang, however.

I know that feel, bro. Last week one of my underlings called me to cover her shift seven minutes before it was supposed to start and I'd been out of bed literally just long enough to go take a leak. It was the best thing ever...
 
2013-03-07 12:31:02 PM

dennysgod: You know maybe this guy is right, maybe the cross shouldn't have been placed in a public area and should have remained on church grounds, but it's kinda hard taking the moral high-road when you're trashing someones property.


Crewmannumber6: Did the cross belong to the athiest? No? Then it's a destruction of private property issue, not a religious issue.


If it's private property, don't plant it in the middle of public land.

Besides, it's still private property, except now it's in a public pond.
 
2013-03-07 12:50:04 PM

capt.hollister: If it's private property, don't plant it in the middle of public land.


Yep, they call that 'littering.'
 
2013-03-07 12:54:36 PM

ImmaHoopyFrood: I thought it was:

Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day.
Teach a man to fish and he'll sit in a boat and drink beer all day.


No, it's light a man a fire, and you warm him for a day.  Set a man on fire, you warm him the rest of his life.
 
2013-03-07 01:00:23 PM

Epicedion: capt.hollister: If it's private property, don't plant it in the middle of public land.

Yep, they call that 'littering.'


But to be fair, so is tossing it in the pond. He should have just thrown it in the trash.
 
2013-03-07 02:48:21 PM
I often say, "Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day. Give a man a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish" so I'm getting a kick.
 
2013-03-07 03:12:33 PM
I get that many atheists  are free-thinker that had to endure Catholic school, grew up in the bible belt, or feel offended that religion rejects them for random reasons.

But the rise of the unforgiving atheist that can't tolerate religion and has to be smugly right just sort of bugs me as just as self-righteous and arrogant as any militant Christian.

There are lots of intelligent Christians that are not assholes, and rejecting them does not help their cause.

/Try to be tolerant of everybody.

//Oh, and he should have put up the FSM next to the cross instead of tearing it down.
 
2013-03-07 03:29:58 PM

HairyTwatter: I often say, "Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day. Give a man a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish" so I'm getting a kick.


LOL!
 
2013-03-07 03:39:33 PM

lack of warmth: And you are just looking for an argument.


Oh! Oh, I'm sorry, but this is abuse. Ah yes, you want room 12A, Just along the corridor.
 
2013-03-07 04:03:38 PM

Enemabag Jones: But the rise of the unforgiving atheist that can't tolerate religion and has to be smugly right just sort of bugs me as just as self-righteous and arrogant as any militant Christian.


Yeah but for some of them they see it as if they are responding to someone who believes in unicorns or ghosts. It's not being smug to them it's dealing with insanity. I agree with them myself but I try not to be a dick to people I don't know but that's not right either. We live in a culture that is tangled up with ancient superstitions some of which we openly mock and others are untouchable. This attitude of making some superstitions untouchable just gives them more credence.

Just replace religion with some other myth and you can understand why many athiests try to 'make a stand'.

I have a right to teach my children about ghosts and a right to my opinion you can't tell me they don't exist that's infringing my right to freedom of believing in ghosts.

The reason we are having so many disasters is we have taken phlogiston out of America! We need to bring phlogiston back into our country and teach it in every school.

The teacup teaches us all that our duty is to preach to the unbelievers that they will suffer eternal torment if they do not believe in the celestial teacup!
 
2013-03-07 04:11:51 PM

Egoy3k: Enemabag Jones: But the rise of the unforgiving atheist that can't tolerate religion and has to be smugly right just sort of bugs me as just as self-righteous and arrogant as any militant Christian.

Yeah but for some of them they see it as if they are responding to someone who believes in unicorns or ghosts. It's not being smug to them it's dealing with insanity. I agree with them myself but I try not to be a dick to people I don't know but that's not right either. We live in a culture that is tangled up with ancient superstitions some of which we openly mock and others are untouchable. This attitude of making some superstitions untouchable just gives them more credence.

Just replace religion with some other myth and you can understand why many athiests try to 'make a stand'.

I have a right to teach my children about ghosts and a right to my opinion you can't tell me they don't exist that's infringing my right to freedom of believing in ghosts.

The reason we are having so many disasters is we have taken phlogiston out of America! We need to bring phlogiston back into our country and teach it in every school.

The teacup teaches us all that our duty is to preach to the unbelievers that they will suffer eternal torment if they do not believe in the celestial teacup!


I lol'd because the first thing I though of while I was reading this was Pants/Star Wars game: Any line in any Star Wars movie is made instantly better/funnier by subbing in the word pants.

Luke, I am your Pants
Pants, I am your father
May the Pants be with you
Use the Pants Luke
Try not. Do, or do not. There is no Pants.
Etc. and et. al., you get the idea

Seems to lend even more credence to your argument, but that's just me.
 
2013-03-07 04:28:52 PM
Militant atheists are the biggest assholes on the face of the earth.  I am not a believer, but I would much rather associate with typical churchgoers, who tend to be pretty neighborly and personable, than some prick that wants to pull down his pants in the middle of the public square so he can crap on a bible in front of grandma.  If nothing else, people who attend church are a part of a larger closer knit community which is certainly a good thing.
 
2013-03-07 04:47:07 PM

Egoy3k: FLMountainMan: He could have accomplished his goal a lot more diplomatically, and had the opportunity to open up a constructive dialogue that would have probably furthered his own cause more.

His cause doesn't need to be furthered. He is 100% correct and the law is on his side.


Same goes for Fred Phelps.
 
2013-03-07 06:12:10 PM

katerbug72: It was 21-6. The atheist is a sore loser. Why should he care if they want to put up a cross? It's easy to ignore.

/atheist


a popular vote is sometimes like two wolves and one sheep deciding what to have for lunch
does majority always rule? this is why we have rights, so people don't get steamrolled by an idiot mob.
 
2013-03-07 07:06:34 PM

Panatheist: katerbug72: It was 21-6. The atheist is a sore loser. Why should he care if they want to put up a cross? It's easy to ignore.

/atheist

a popular vote is sometimes like two wolves and one sheep deciding what to have for lunch
does majority always rule? this is why we have rights, so people don't get steamrolled by an idiot mob.


That's a fine point of view. I guess I just don't care enough about what religious people do to get my panties in a twist about it.
 
2013-03-07 07:42:43 PM

katerbug72: I guess I just don't care enough about what religious people do to get my panties in a twist about it.


And what gives you the liberty to feel that way?

The fact that modern, first world countries have legislation to prevent the Tyranny of the Majority from ruling the day.
 
2013-03-07 08:08:31 PM

Crewmannumber6: Did the cross belong to the athiest? No? Then it's a destruction of private property issue, not a religious issue.


Did the article run in the Daily Mail? Yes? Then it's probably completely made up.
 
2013-03-08 05:49:53 AM

lack of warmth: you are just looking for an argument.


Ah, the cry of the person who cannot find fault with the statement presented to them.
 
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