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2013-03-07 07:27:39 AM
Same thing that happened to my Triumph Spitfire?
 
2013-03-07 07:31:56 AM
"Most typical cruise ships disembark passengers for a mere six to seven hours before new ones come on board"

This does not seem like nearly enough time to clean the ship.
 
2013-03-07 07:43:06 AM
I'm guessing they never did full exorcisms of Kathie Lee Gifford, either
 
2013-03-07 08:37:10 AM
Did they rename it the "Cleveland Steamer?"
 
2013-03-07 08:38:40 AM
FTA: When we first heard about the stranding and disgusting sewage situation aboard the Carnival Triumph (apparently there was untreated toilet water running down walls after the boat lost power due to the fire)

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2013-03-07 08:43:05 AM
Had booked a cruise on this particular vessel for mid May, and just this week decided to cancel.

Out of curiosity, got on a different browser and tried to rebook the same cruise, just to see what was available.  Nearly completely full.
 
2013-03-07 08:43:20 AM

Catlenfell: "Most typical cruise ships disembark passengers for a mere six to seven hours before new ones come on board"


It is really no different than a hotel, which turns over a room in less than an hour for new guest. The rooms are minimalist, the kitchens cleaned after every meal anyway, and all the common areas are constantly cleaned. Went on a cruise 2 weeks ago for a week and it was amazing how efficient (and sometimes pushy) crew were about being fastidiously clean.
 
2013-03-07 08:51:37 AM

SVenus: Had booked a cruise on this particular vessel for mid May, and just this week decided to cancel.


Well it's not like the same thing is going to happen on the same ship twice.
 
2013-03-07 09:13:59 AM
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even these guys know after shiat hits the fan its time to change names...
 
2013-03-07 09:38:38 AM
We traveled on this ship back in September and I'm getting all sorts of emails from Carnival regarding special pricing. I had read before the cruise that the Triumph was set to be refurbished and fully updated in February of 3013. I guess that changed somewhere along the way.
 
2013-03-07 09:46:17 AM

pacochu: We traveled on this ship back in September and I'm getting all sorts of emails from Carnival regarding special pricing. I had read before the cruise that the Triumph was set to be refurbished and fully updated in February of 3013. I guess that changed somewhere along the way.


A millennial voyage life is perhaps a bit unsustainable for Carnival, all things considered.
 
2013-03-07 10:02:07 AM
"The promise [of cruise-ship advertising] is not that you can experience great pleasure but that you will. They'll make certain of it. They'll micromanage every iota of every pleasure-option so that not even the dreadful corrosive action of your adult consciousness and agency and dread can fark up your fun. Your troublesome capacities for choice, error, regret, dissatisfaction, and despair will be removed from the equation. You will be able--finally, for once--to relax, the ads promise, because you will have no choice."
 
2013-03-07 10:14:53 AM

Rapmaster2000: "The promise [of cruise-ship advertising] is not that you can experience great pleasure but that you will. They'll make certain of it. They'll micromanage every iota of every pleasure-option so that not even the dreadful corrosive action of your adult consciousness and agency and dread can fark up your fun. Your troublesome capacities for choice, error, regret, dissatisfaction, and despair will be removed from the equation. You will be able--finally, for once--to relax, the ads promise, because you will have no choice."


Or, as my dad said when we all wnet on a cruise last year, "this is great. I don't give a shiat about anything!"
 
2013-03-07 10:31:18 AM
Yes, nobody remembers the continuous CNN coverage.
 
2013-03-07 10:48:00 AM

pudding7: Rapmaster2000: "The promise [of cruise-ship advertising] is not that you can experience great pleasure but that you will. They'll make certain of it. They'll micromanage every iota of every pleasure-option so that not even the dreadful corrosive action of your adult consciousness and agency and dread can fark up your fun. Your troublesome capacities for choice, error, regret, dissatisfaction, and despair will be removed from the equation. You will be able--finally, for once--to relax, the ads promise, because you will have no choice."

Or, as my dad said when we all wnet on a cruise last year, "this is great. I don't give a shiat about anything!"


Pretty much.  I was always one of those "I don't get cruises" people until a few people I know (that are pretty hard drivers in life) told me the appeal for them was that everything was decided and taken care of.  There are no decisions to make.

I can see the appeal, but I'll pass.
 
2013-03-07 10:56:00 AM

Rapmaster2000: "The promise [of cruise-ship advertising] is not that you can experience great pleasure but that you will. They'll make certain of it. They'll micromanage every iota of every pleasure-option so that not even the dreadful corrosive action of your adult consciousness and agency and dread can fark up your fun. Your troublesome capacities for choice, error, regret, dissatisfaction, and despair will be removed from the equation. You will be able--finally, for once--to relax, the ads promise, because you will have no choice."


For those of you who are wondering where that wonderful quote is coming from, it is from an article by David Foster Wallace called "Shipping Out". Here is a link to the PDF of the full essay.  http://harpers.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/HarpersMagazine-1996-01 - 0007859.pdf
 
2013-03-07 10:57:43 AM

Rapmaster2000: pudding7: Rapmaster2000: "The promise [of cruise-ship advertising] is not that you can experience great pleasure but that you will. They'll make certain of it. They'll micromanage every iota of every pleasure-option so that not even the dreadful corrosive action of your adult consciousness and agency and dread can fark up your fun. Your troublesome capacities for choice, error, regret, dissatisfaction, and despair will be removed from the equation. You will be able--finally, for once--to relax, the ads promise, because you will have no choice."

Or, as my dad said when we all wnet on a cruise last year, "this is great. I don't give a shiat about anything!"

Pretty much.  I was always one of those "I don't get cruises" people until a few people I know (that are pretty hard drivers in life) told me the appeal for them was that everything was decided and taken care of.  There are no decisions to make.

I can see the appeal, but I'll pass.


My experience is that people either "love, love, really love cruises" or they are "hated it...rather go on a regular vacation".

It's like the vacation version of cilantro and films by the Coen brothers.
 
2013-03-07 11:32:36 AM

Coach_J: My experience is that people either "love, love, really love cruises" or they are "hated it...rather go on a regular vacation".


There are also people like myself who are what I like to term "Test the Waters Cruisers" what I mean by that is people who want to travel to some of the World's more exotic locations but not stray too far out of their comfort zone.  Example, I always wanted to see Alaska, but I was uncomfortable just traveling up there and exploring on my own, so I took a cruise, since then I have taken a "regular" vacation on my own because after the cruise I was no longer uncomfortable with the place.
 
2013-03-07 12:12:02 PM

Rapmaster2000: the appeal for them was that everything was decided and taken care of.  There are no decisions to make.


Funny how the people I hear this exact same praise of cruises from tend to be of the "rugged individualist" breed.
 
2013-03-07 12:16:20 PM

Catlenfell: "Most typical cruise ships disembark passengers for a mere six to seven hours before new ones come on board"

This does not seem like nearly enough time to clean the ship.


It doesn't even take that long. When we took a cruise, boarding started at about 11am or so. When we got back, we weren't off the boat until around 9am and I presume the next load was boarding at 11. They do not, however, allow you to your room until 1:30pm on boarding day, so they focus first on public areas and the on the rooms.
 
2013-03-07 12:37:28 PM

Fear the Clam: FTA: When we first heard about the stranding and disgusting sewage situation aboard the Carnival Triumph (apparently there was untreated toilet water running down walls after the boat lost power due to the fire)

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It's a pretty good cruise ship... for me to poop on!
 
2013-03-07 12:58:59 PM
Tom_Slick:

There are also people like myself who are what I like to term "Test the Waters Cruisers" what I mean by that is people who want to travel to some of the World's more exotic locations but not stray too far out of their comfort zone.  Example, I always wanted to see Alaska, but I was uncomfortable just traveling up there and exploring on my own, so I took a cruise, since then I have taken a "regular" vacation on my own because after the cruise I was no longer uncomfortable with the place.

I never thought of Alaska as an "exotic" location.  I always thought of it more as Canada's side boob.

/but yeah - i agree with your comment.  i'm the same way about travelling
 
2013-03-07 01:23:35 PM

poconojoe: I never thought of Alaska as an "exotic" location. I always thought of it more as Canada's side boob.


When I think Exotic I think of places that have things that are rare sites around the World, in the instance of Alaska, glaciers calving into the sea etc.  I have also taken a river cruise in China and decided that I do not wish to explore China on my own, I took a river cruise up the Danube, then went back a year later to explore on my own.
 
2013-03-07 01:41:28 PM

tricycleracer: Rapmaster2000: the appeal for them was that everything was decided and taken care of.  There are no decisions to make.

Funny how the people I hear this exact same praise of cruises from tend to be of the "rugged individualist" breed.


That's interesting.  One of the guys who told me this is a prepper.  Hmm.
 
2013-03-07 02:00:22 PM
I've got a room in June.  I'm hoping they have it all fixed up by then.  Frankly, I think it'll be nicer since they'll have replaced EVERYTHING on the ship.  It does suck since we were supposed to be leaving in two weeks but had to re-schedule.  I'm not too worried about it happening again either, but I am worried about them cancelling it since the boat might not be ready.
 
2013-03-07 02:39:35 PM

jpo2269: Did they rename it the "Cleveland Steamer?"

*Snerk*
 
2013-03-07 02:40:28 PM
They managed to clean up the Superdome after refugees crapped in the aisles, but then I guess that'd be easier to hose down. Just don't get that 'cruise' thing.
 
2013-03-07 03:02:59 PM

Rapmaster2000: Pretty much.  I was always one of those "I don't get cruises" people until a few people I know (that are pretty hard drivers in life) told me the appeal for them was that everything was decided and taken care of.  There are no decisions to make.


I've heard the same rationale as to why people visit a dominatrix. Same "hard driving" people, too.
 
2013-03-07 03:17:54 PM

Freeballin: I've got a room in June.  I'm hoping they have it all fixed up by then.  Frankly, I think it'll be nicer since they'll have replaced EVERYTHING on the ship.  It does suck since we were supposed to be leaving in two weeks but had to re-schedule.  I'm not too worried about it happening again either, but I am worried about them cancelling it since the boat might not be ready.


Never mistake "SHOULD" for "HAVE TO"......especially when a company and money are involved.
 
2013-03-07 03:20:51 PM

Rapmaster2000: Pretty much. I was always one of those "I don't get cruises" people until a few people I know (that are pretty hard drivers in life) told me the appeal for them was that everything was decided and taken care of. There are no decisions to make.

I can see the appeal, but I'll pass.


I'd still rather pay more for a large on land resort with everything I need maybe even all inclusive before I'd do a cruise ship.  And with the intertubes, it doesn't take much time to plan every iota of your trip before you go.
 
2013-03-07 03:39:37 PM

Catlenfell: "Most typical cruise ships disembark passengers for a mere six to seven hours before new ones come on board"

This does not seem like nearly enough time to clean the ship.


When you get into the bed it's still warm from the passenger before you.  That's called "hot-bunking."
 
2013-03-07 04:07:06 PM
FTA: "Considering what a task it is on a typical boat, it's hard to imagine how they are going to get this ship clean. "

hard to imagine? like USS Yorktown after Battle of Coral Sea emergency repairs in time for Midway hard to imagine?

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2013-03-07 04:10:45 PM
Went on one Carnival cruise. Can't remember the ship name,  but if I ever go on another cruise, it will NOT be Carnival. Food seemed like warmed up left overs, and the beer cost too much. Something like $23 for 4 16 oz BL.
 
2013-03-07 04:20:21 PM

Pick: Went on one Carnival cruise. Can't remember the ship name,  but if I ever go on another cruise, it will NOT be Carnival. Food seemed like warmed up left overs, and the beer cost too much.


What about the word "carnival" fails to suggest terrible food, overpriced beer, and safety violations?
 
2013-03-07 04:43:50 PM

Catlenfell: "Most typical cruise ships disembark passengers for a mere six to seven hours before new ones come on board"

This does not seem like nearly enough time to clean the ship.


It's not a movie theater, they don't have to go through and shovel up piles of crap fro the last people. It's like the first set of passengers is the lunch crowd at a restaurant, and the next set is the dinner crowd. In between, there is constant cleaning and restocking going on. All they have to do is clean all the rooms, and they already turn those quickly, even when you're there. The rules about when to be out of your room are very strict, and it's so that A:) They will be able to clean all of the cabins in time, and B:) So that you don't miss your designated shuttle.

It's plenty of time.
 
2013-03-07 04:45:13 PM

12349876: Rapmaster2000: Pretty much. I was always one of those "I don't get cruises" people until a few people I know (that are pretty hard drivers in life) told me the appeal for them was that everything was decided and taken care of. There are no decisions to make.

I can see the appeal, but I'll pass.

I'd still rather pay more for a large on land resort with everything I need maybe even all inclusive before I'd do a cruise ship.  And with the intertubes, it doesn't take much time to plan every iota of your trip before you go.


I hear there are vacation packages in the DR that even supplies the girl(s)
Or so I've been told.
 
2013-03-07 04:47:18 PM

Pick: Went on one Carnival cruise. Can't remember the ship name,  but if I ever go on another cruise, it will NOT be Carnival. Food seemed like warmed up left overs, and the beer cost too much. Something like $23 for 4 16 oz BL.


Royal Caribbean. It's the way to go. Food was outstanding, and the ship was great. Carnival is closer to the WalMart of cruise lines. Pretty sure the beer's expensive no matter who you cruise with, they've got you as a captive customer, and on top of normal costs, they have to factor in the cost of shuttling that stuff all over the ocean. Every ounce of weight costs money in fuel usage, so they have to pay more than normal just to have it available to sell.

I won't cruise if the option is going to be Carnival, basically...
 
2013-03-07 04:49:53 PM
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Went on one Carnival cruise. Can't remember the ship name,  but if I ever go on another cruise, it will NOT be Carnival. Food seemed like warmed up left overs, and the beer cost too much. Something like $23 for 4 16 oz BL

those are typical prices at a night club, stadium event etc... do you really think the cruise line is going to give you 24/7 free food and a place to sleep for $65 a night while it transports you to several half day vacation spots and the cruise ship also have a  kwik-e-mart so you can get $6 12 packs of  milwaukee's best ice?
 
2013-03-07 04:52:49 PM

Rapmaster2000: "The promise [of cruise-ship advertising] is not that you can experience great pleasure but that you will. They'll make certain of it. They'll micromanage every iota of every pleasure-option so that not even the dreadful corrosive action of your adult consciousness and agency and dread can fark up your fun. Your troublesome capacities for choice, error, regret, dissatisfaction, and despair will be removed from the equation. You will be able--finally, for once--to relax, the ads promise, because you will have no choice."


You have plenty of choices. What you don't have is stress. You don't have to drive in traffic. You don't have to get anywhere in any particular timeframe, outside of making it down for your dinner slot. You have multiple choices for bars, places to eat, and things to do.

If nothing else, you can spend the whole trip drinking free sodas squirreled away in the back corner of one of the bars reading a book.

As for cleaning this thing, someone's being a farking drama queen, it can't be that hard. They can fix up half-burned hotels, I'm sure they can recover form this pretty easily.

It's the re-branding that will be the BIG cleanup. Of course they have to rename the ship, but they don't want to appear too underhanded in doing it, and they also don't want to make TOO big of a deal about it, or people will associate whatever the new name is with "Triumph".
 
2013-03-07 04:53:58 PM
Pepperidge Farms remembers.
 
2013-03-07 05:48:44 PM
Just got back from a cruise with my wonderful wife on the Carnival Paradise last week.  Five days to Grand Cayman and Cozumel.  I can't tell you how much I needed it; my stress level is so much lower.  I had a great time.  It was "just cheezy enough" to be a ton of lighthearted fun.  I will be booking another cruise very soon, and I think I'll make it on a "funship".  I'm drinking their kool-aid (among other things).

Regarding those who are wondering how they can get a ship clean for new passengers within hours: The crew already thoroughly cleans every room multiple times every day during your cruise, so it's no surprise they have it ready to go again in such short order.
 
2013-03-07 05:55:08 PM
I remember that every time I see one of their commercials.
 
2013-03-07 07:19:17 PM
Going by what I saw on 'big jobs' when they pulled one of these into a drydock to install an additional generator, you're looking at about a month to get the mechnicals fixed, which provides more than enough time to have professionals fix up anything on the top, with access to shore power and everything.

Heck, going by that show, they're likely to take the opportunity to do all sorts of preventative maintenance and even refurbishment.
 
2013-03-07 08:30:35 PM
"The second thing we wondered, after hearing about the ship's disgusting voyage, is who would ever pay full price to cruise on the boat again?"

Have these people never had their toilet back up and overflow before? You clean it up, wash the carpet and go on about your business. What's the big deal?
 
2013-03-07 11:02:39 PM

Rapmaster2000: pudding7: Rapmaster2000: "The promise [of cruise-ship advertising] is not that you can experience great pleasure but that you will. They'll make certain of it. They'll micromanage every iota of every pleasure-option so that not even the dreadful corrosive action of your adult consciousness and agency and dread can fark up your fun. Your troublesome capacities for choice, error, regret, dissatisfaction, and despair will be removed from the equation. You will be able--finally, for once--to relax, the ads promise, because you will have no choice."

Or, as my dad said when we all wnet on a cruise last year, "this is great. I don't give a shiat about anything!"

Pretty much.  I was always one of those "I don't get cruises" people until a few people I know (that are pretty hard drivers in life) told me the appeal for them was that everything was decided and taken care of.  There are no decisions to make.

I can see the appeal, but I'll pass.


What cruise did they take?  I've been on 4 and each one was "here's the daily 6-8 page newsletter with the dozens of options for today.  And the menus for the different restaurants, each with a numerous selections".  Wifey and I spent every breakfast deciding what to do that day.   You sound like there's one set of activities that everybody does, one meal, no decisions.  Anyone who says that's the way a cruise is never left their cabin.
 
2013-03-07 11:58:40 PM
Cruises are for old people with too much money and bastard children who won't inherit it.

/I'll be lucky to get a swift kick in the ass from a lawyer for inheritance.
 
2013-03-08 12:59:04 AM
Don't clean it and sell to the Germans.  Everyone wins.
 
2013-03-08 06:23:43 AM
Took a "behind the fun" tour on the Carnival Breeze (newest Carnival ship) last week. Spent a lot of time in the engine control room. Before we could ask any questions, the chief engineer said "let me tell you what happened on the Triumph and why it won't happen here". Short of it is, that all the generators are connected to a single bus. On the breeze the bus is gated so they can reroute or block off a damaged section. Apparently there were no gates (or insufficient gates) on the Triumph bus. Once the fire damaged the main bus... game over.

Seems like Mickey Mouse engineering, and perhaps he oversimplified it. But in either case, I'm sure that problem will be resolved by the time it sets sail again.
 
2013-03-08 06:24:06 AM
They're no doubt avoiding making profits, but large companies have insurance against damages and losses of business revenue, so I doubt they're hurting too bad as a result of this.

Cruises have never attracted me, and every article I read about norovirus and these kinds of problems makes me less inclined to go on one, even if it was free (OK, maybe ONLY if it was free).
 
2013-03-08 09:08:19 AM

Mikey1969: Pick: Went on one Carnival cruise. Can't remember the ship name,  but if I ever go on another cruise, it will NOT be Carnival. Food seemed like warmed up left overs, and the beer cost too much. Something like $23 for 4 16 oz BL.

Royal Caribbean. It's the way to go. Food was outstanding, and the ship was great. Carnival is closer to the WalMart of cruise lines. Pretty sure the beer's expensive no matter who you cruise with, they've got you as a captive customer, and on top of normal costs, they have to factor in the cost of shuttling that stuff all over the ocean. Every ounce of weight costs money in fuel usage, so they have to pay more than normal just to have it available to sell.

I won't cruise if the option is going to be Carnival, basically...


We just got back from Disney Cruise and the prices were 'reasonable' for a cruise ship.  A bottle of specialty beer was about $6 or so.  I did a beer tasting thing, the costs was $20 or there about for 6 craft/import type beers.  Sure I can get a six pack of Sierra Nevada at the grocery for 9 or 10 dollars, but I was on the boat.  The prices were higher but not the crazy prices I was expecting.

Also surprising was that the gift shop had about same prices of any other Disney outlet.  My son like pin trading and the prices were the same as the parks.  My wife wanted to get a Disney themed scrabble game but we figured we'd wait to buy it home.  Its $10 cheaper on the flipping boat than on Amazon.  Go figure.

What is crazy expensive is cell service, data service and excursions.  We booked our own excursion in Grand Cayman for about 1/3 the cost of what Disney was offering and had a great time.

I would go again I guess, but I can take or leave cruising.  The food was fine but just underspiced IMO.  I can understand their need for that, but I've always been the type that would rather find a good hole in the wall where locals love to eat.
 
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