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2013-03-07 01:15:51 AM
7 votes:
i'm kinda pissed off that a librarian would block wiccan websites at all.  they're probably the LEAST harmful sites on the 'net.  WTF man?
2013-03-07 12:40:47 AM
6 votes:
If you're classifying Amerindian religions as "occult" and you're a librarian, you need a serious punch in the gonads to begin with because there is no possible rational way to attach those two topics together. Quanah Parker and Cornelius Agrippa may have both been carbon-based life forms, but any similarity ends there.
2013-03-07 02:44:07 AM
5 votes:
I work in a library, so I'm getting a kick...

We draw the line at kiddie pron.  Even then, it isn't blocked, we just call the cops and let them deal with you.
2013-03-07 02:40:41 AM
5 votes:
These people should love Satanists, because both groups believe in God.  They have more similarities than differences.

Satanism is stupid, anyway.  The title is "The Adversary" and he's exactly that.  But the adversary of what?  God?  That's silly, everyone agrees God is infallible, omnipotent, yatta yatta yatta.  The actual name is "The Satan" and it's a job title, he works for God as the adversary of man, to tempt men to stray from the paths of virtue.  The idea that he corrupts people against God's will is stupid.
2013-03-07 03:15:42 AM
4 votes:

Somacandra: If you're classifying Amerindian religions as "occult" and you're a librarian, you need a serious punch in the gonads to begin with because there is no possible rational way to attach those two topics together. Quanah Parker and Cornelius Agrippa may have both been carbon-based life forms, but any similarity ends there.



I bet the lady is a librarian in name only (e.g., she doesn't have any real credentials).  All the real librarians---those well-read and intelligent folks with Master's degrees in library science---I've known are quite liberal and open-minded about things.
2013-03-07 02:26:51 AM
3 votes:
Ah, the southern states...

where aggressive ignorance is a point of pride and honor.
2013-03-07 03:37:24 AM
2 votes:
Salem, MO is a tiny hick town of about 4,000.  It contains a Wal-Mart Distribution Center and a prison.  Those are literally the only two industries in the town.  It's otherwise surrounded by farms and meth producers.

The closest biggish town is 30 miles away in Rolla, MO, a town of about 18,000 which is perhaps most well-known for its engineering school.  Several Farkers went to school there.  I am one of them.  Even with the high-paying university jobs, median HOUSEHOLD income in Rolla, MO hovers at around $26,000/yr.

The librarian is a farking hick, is all I'm saying.
2013-03-07 03:14:11 AM
2 votes:

Krieghund: SpdrJay: Ah, the southern states...

Not sure if troll, Alaskan, or bad at geography.


Missouri was on the Confederate side (the South).  Maybe he meant south politically, not geographically.
2013-03-07 03:09:21 AM
2 votes:
By and large, nearly every Wiccan woman I've ever met is bi and large.
2013-03-07 03:08:32 AM
2 votes:

phalamir: fusillade762: The ACLU filed a lawsuit against the Salem Public Library

BURN THEM!

No one was burned in Salem.  They hung them


No one was hung in Salem. They all had small penises.

/hanged
2013-03-07 02:51:08 AM
2 votes:
The library director allegedly also said she had an "obligation" to call the "proper authorities" to report people who wanted to view blocked websites.

Wat?
2013-03-07 02:39:14 AM
2 votes:
What the residents of Salem, MO might look like:

encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
2013-03-07 02:35:20 AM
2 votes:

Krieghund: SpdrJay: Ah, the southern states...

Not sure if troll, Alaskan, or bad at geography.


Missouri is in the southern half of the United States, although it's classified as Mid-West.  It borders on Arkansas, Tennessee and Kentucky, after all.
2013-03-07 02:33:18 AM
2 votes:

Weaver95: i'm kinda pissed off that a librarian would block wiccan websites at all.  they're probably the LEAST harmful sites on the 'net.  WTF man?


It's all the sex inherent in Wicca and neo-Paganism.  The Great Rite, fertility goddesses, Dionysus, Charge of the Goddess, skyclad rites, acceptance of homosexuality, being generally sex-positive.  All that stuff leads to dancing!
2013-03-07 05:05:12 PM
1 votes:
A librarian removed the D&D material so generously donated. Her and I had a chat about that. I made it clear that she was basing her choices - as a state employee - on her religious views. The stuff went back up.
amo [TotalFark]
2013-03-07 12:12:18 PM
1 votes:

algrant33: Jeff


You know how I know where you're from? ;)

/former Jaybird

Alphax: I heard there were some minor Civil War battles in Missouri, but they may have been entirely locals fighting each other.  I sorta remember vising a Civil War battle reenactment at Pilot Knob, Missouri, about a hundred miles south of St. Louis, when I was a teen in the 80's.


There were minor battles, but there were several major ones, and all of them put together they accounted for close to 20% of all Civil War battles. Only Virginia and Tennessee had more battles than Missouri.
2013-03-07 10:21:52 AM
1 votes:

Somacandra: If you're classifying Amerindian religions as "occult" and you're a librarian, you need a serious punch in the gonads to begin with because there is no possible rational way to attach those two topics together. Quanah Parker and Cornelius Agrippa may have both been carbon-based life forms, but any similarity ends there.


It ... is occult.   Simple test: is it about magic and/or the super- or para- natural?  That is, anything which cannot be explained or caused within our knowledge of the natural laws?  Then it's occult.

Who falls into this group?  Wiccan beliefs, American Indian spirits, alchemy, acupuncture, chiropracty, homeopathic medicine, oh, and every major and minor mythology system out there including Christianity and the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

To be fair, I think it makes some sense to block access to this information to children, as it could cause them irreparable harm.
2013-03-07 10:15:31 AM
1 votes:

Mid_mo_mad_man: Incorrect! The legitimate legislative bodies passed a bill to break away from the union. However, the federal government forced it and the governor in to exile. Then the Feds gave Missouri a military governor.


Know how I know you're from Neosho?

The elected government convened a Constitutional Convention to discuss amending Missouri's Constitution to allow for secession, which wasn't permitted under the existing law. They adjourned without doing anything of the sort, leaving Gov. Claiborne Jackson and the legislature without the authority to secede. Then the whole Nathaniel Lyon - Sterling Price explosion happened, when Lyon, who was a hothead, maneuvered all the adults out of the room and proceeded to make an ass of himself, forcing the hand of the southern sympathizers, who'd been willing to keep the peace to that point. Once that happened, the situation quickly deteriorated, and the elected government took to their heels, running from the Army, culminating in the Battle of Wilson's Creek (which finally got rid of Lyon, but too late to do any good).

The elected legislature reconvened in Neosho and passed a secession bill, but it was too late - the Constitutional Convention had reconvened and kicked them all out of office. Besides, there's doubts that there were even enough of them down there to have a quorum - they were basically a rump on the run who passed a bill only after they'd already rebelled. So, after the Constitutional Convention expelled them from office and held new elections, they were no longer the legitimate government and the secession bill they passed had no effect.
2013-03-07 10:05:33 AM
1 votes:
The Ozarks aren't much different than the tribal mountain regions of Afghanistan and Pakistan, they just have better infrastructure.
2013-03-07 08:38:08 AM
1 votes:
Wait a minute.  One aspect of this story is not being discussed enough in this thread:

Who are these mysterious "proper authorities" that this woman supposedly reported people to?  It is not illegal to research the funeral practices of Native Americans, so who did she report people's browsing habits to?

/what a boring life she must lead that she thinks that it is alright to track what people do online in a public library
2013-03-07 07:09:30 AM
1 votes:

thisispete: As a librarian - albeit in a university (although I was a library assistant in a public library) - I look very sternly on censorship in libraries. It's not up to us to make those kinds of judgments, and betraying the principles behind free access to information tarnishes the profession as a whole. For decades librarians have tried to get rid of the image of the petty authoritarian censorious shusher. This kind of thing doesn't help.


I'm the librarian for a Catholic high school and even I wouldn't try and censor wicca, native spirituality or anything of the type. I have to put up with some system wide censorship (designed because some of the schools in our network don't want the net to be a distraction full of fun things). But the school allows me to have an unfiltered PC on my desk, so that if anyone needs something which is accidentally blocked I can get it.
Back when I was in public libraries the rule was nothing with a visual which would have been classified MA15+ if it was in print. And that was not about censorship, but about the legality of having such images in a public space where they could be viewed by people under 15 (or by people who just wouldn't want to see it). And it wasn't a mindless automated filter that made the decision, it was the staff who would give someone a tap on the shoulder and tell them it was inappropriate.
That said, I did actually do some censorship myself yesterday. Not the simple decision not to buy a book, but I discovered we had a copy of David Irving'shiatler's War on the shelves. Given that we have a lot of kids for whom English is not their first language, I suspected they might not have the skills to evaluate Irving's idea that Hitler wasn't such a bad bloke after all. Even then, there was no book burning. The book has simply been relocated to the history faculty office, where the teachers can use it with the more advanced history students.
2013-03-07 06:23:05 AM
1 votes:

MmmmBacon: I see what you did there, clever.


If by "Clever" you mean "Posted on every Wicca thread since the Usenet days," then sure, clever.
2013-03-07 04:29:01 AM
1 votes:
I didnt expect a Farker's geographical ignorance to evolve into an enjoyable discussion on Civil War history.
2013-03-07 04:20:39 AM
1 votes:

algrant33: Salem, MO is a tiny hick town of about 4,000.  It contains a Wal-Mart Distribution Center and a prison.  Those are literally the only two industries in the town.  It's otherwise surrounded by farms and meth producers.

The closest biggish town is 30 miles away in Rolla, MO, a town of about 18,000 which is perhaps most well-known for its engineering school.  Several Farkers went to school there.  I am one of them.  Even with the high-paying university jobs, median HOUSEHOLD income in Rolla, MO hovers at around $26,000/yr.

The librarian is a farking hick, is all I'm saying.


There's worse than Salem in Missouri.   I grew up in a wide spot in the road called Gainesville, at the time I graduated HS, (1995) the town had ~700 people, 4 major last names, and about 20 different churches.
Oh, and the nearest Wal-mart was 30 miles away as of my leaving the state.  Town fathers didn't want the city to grow so refused to let Sam Walton build there

We're talking the kind of town with a school system whose computer network was 10 years old at the time, the science textbooks referred to the moon landing as "planned for the near future", but yeah we had a state of the art basketball gymnasium and a varsity team that repeatedly made it to state.

And speaking of the librarian at the school...  this is the woman who, on the principal saying she couldn't simply ban one type of game from the library (there was a D&D group that met there, as well as magic the gathering, chess and more) banned all gaming of any kind.   That is, in between going through every copy of national Geographic that the school had and taking scissors to any 'smut'.

TL;DR, This freaky hillbilly "god warrior" doesn't surprise me in the least.

/Could be worse
//Went to a baptist college
///Their -single- copy of Fellowship of the ring was defaced with graffiti saying that Gandalf was really an agent of satan and that frodo should have prayed to god.
////Librarian actually said he put that there.
//Slashies Uber Alles
2013-03-07 04:16:41 AM
1 votes:
Librarian sounds like she's scared of things she was told to be scared of.
2013-03-07 04:16:33 AM
1 votes:

Pribar: "The Salem Public Library will be a reliable resource center and an advocate of intellectual freedom for the community "


Remember, we're talking about people who believe that "Freedom of religion" means "Free to pick any flavour of far-right evangelical Christianity" and that "Separation of church and state" means "YOU MUST CONSTRUCT ADDITIONAL JESUS."
2013-03-07 04:10:24 AM
1 votes:

Abacus9: In fact Detroit is the only city in the whole country where you have to go south to get to Canada.


Except for the cities north of Detroit.  Or maybe parts of Alaska.
2013-03-07 03:50:08 AM
1 votes:
Just went to their website, the first line of the librarys mission statement is

"The Salem Public Library will be a reliable resource center and an advocate of intellectual freedom for the community "
2013-03-07 03:42:15 AM
1 votes:

algrant33: The closest biggish town is 30 miles away in Rolla, MO, a town of about 18,000 which is perhaps most well-known for its engineering school.  Several Farkers went to school there.  I am one of them.  Even with the high-paying university jobs, median HOUSEHOLD income in Rolla, MO hovers at around $26,000/yr.


I was there for 2 semesters in '89-'90.  Very easy school to flunk out of.  My father graduated from there, and they were quite proud of their washout rate then.
2013-03-07 03:40:15 AM
1 votes:

Alphax: Aquapope: Krieghund: SpdrJay: Ah, the southern states...

Not sure if troll, Alaskan, or bad at geography.

Missouri was on the Confederate side (the South).  Maybe he meant south politically, not geographically.

Incorrect.  It was one of 3 border states where slavery was legal, but they didn't join the Confederacy.  The other two were Maryland and Kentucky, IIRC.


You idiots are thinking of the Missouri Compromise.  Missouri came into the Union as a slave state so Kansas could come into the Union as a free state.  Before, the score was 12-12; after, the score was 13-13.

For what it's worth, in Missouri, people's sentiments about slavery generally correlated with latitude.  North of Jefferson City was mostly free-staters, south of Jeff was almost all slave-staters.

Guess where in the state Salem, MO lies.
2013-03-07 03:39:02 AM
1 votes:
As a librarian - albeit in a university (although I was a library assistant in a public library) - I look very sternly on censorship in libraries. It's not up to us to make those kinds of judgments, and betraying the principles behind free access to information tarnishes the profession as a whole. For decades librarians have tried to get rid of the image of the petty authoritarian censorious shusher. This kind of thing doesn't help.
2013-03-07 03:35:33 AM
1 votes:

Duck_of_Doom: Weaver95: i'm kinda pissed off that a librarian would block wiccan websites at all.  they're probably the LEAST harmful sites on the 'net.  WTF man?

It's all the sex inherent in Wicca and neo-Paganism.  The Great Rite, fertility goddesses, Dionysus, Charge of the Goddess, skyclad rites, acceptance of homosexuality, being generally sex-positive.  All that stuff leads to dancing!


You know how I know you were raised southern baptist?
2013-03-07 03:31:20 AM
1 votes:

Aquapope: Krieghund: SpdrJay: Ah, the southern states...

Not sure if troll, Alaskan, or bad at geography.

Missouri was on the Confederate side (the South).  Maybe he meant south politically, not geographically.


Incorrect.  It was one of 3 border states where slavery was legal, but they didn't join the Confederacy.  The other two were Maryland and Kentucky, IIRC.
2013-03-07 03:20:52 AM
1 votes:
A more accurate and detailed account in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch:

Missouri library agrees not to block witch websites

It was a consent judgment negotiated between the parties;  judge signed it.

"The judgment says that the sites were not blocked after Aug, 1, 2011, when the library's internet service provider informed them that due to the concerns of some organizations, they were removing some blocks. The change was made before Hunter's suit was filed, the judgment says."

Still need a new librarian, and a new library board.
2013-03-07 03:05:22 AM
1 votes:

hardinparamedic: The American Lung Association oversees Librarians?


Different ALA
2013-03-07 03:02:52 AM
1 votes:

GWSuperfan: Yeah, way to violate not only federal law, but the standards of your governing professional organization, the ALA.

/Librarian sounds like she needs a swift kick in the coont.


The American Lung Association oversees Librarians?
2013-03-07 02:50:54 AM
1 votes:

phalamir: fusillade762: The ACLU filed a lawsuit against the Salem Public Library

BURN THEM!

No one was burned in Salem.  They hung them


I knew that. But "HANG THEM!" just doesn't have the same ring to it.
Ral
2013-03-07 02:49:06 AM
1 votes:
FTFA: "Salem Library Director Glenda Wofford told Hunter the websites could only be unblocked if she had a legitimate reason to access them."

And what would a legitimate reason for this be in the librarian's mind?  Isn't the point of a library to conduct research and to read about things that people are curious about?
2013-03-07 02:44:57 AM
1 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: U.S. District Judge E. Richard Webber said Tuesday the library could only block websites labelled "adult image," "pornography," "phishing," "proxy anonymizer," "viruses," or "web chat."

Reminds me of
Group W's where they put you if you may not be moral enough to join the armyafter committing your special crime, and there was all kinds of mean nasty uglylooking people on the bench there. Mother rapers. Father stabbers. Fatherrapers! Father rapers sitting right there on the bench next to me! Andthey was mean and nasty and ugly and horrible crime-type guys sitting on thebench next to me. And the meanest, ugliest, nastiest one, the meanestfather raper of them all, was coming over to me and he was mean 'n' ugly'n' nasty 'n' horrible and all kind of things and he sat down next to meand said, "Kid, whad'ya get?" I said, "I didn't get nothing, I had to pay$50 and pick up the garbage." He said, "What were you arrested for, kid?"And I said, "Littering."



And causing a public nuisance.
2013-03-07 02:39:25 AM
1 votes:

MadCat221: Weaver95: i'm kinda pissed off that a librarian would block wiccan websites at all.  they're probably the LEAST harmful sites on the 'net.  WTF man?

Because it's the religion of the DEVIL, you sick loincloth-wearin' goat-sacrificin' deerhumper!


www.ted.me

FOOSBALL IS THE DEVIL, BOBBEH.
2013-03-07 02:38:56 AM
1 votes:

fusillade762: The ACLU filed a lawsuit against the Salem Public Library

BURN THEM!


No one was burned in Salem.  They hung them
2013-03-07 02:32:40 AM
1 votes:
Web chat is blocked?  Would that include message boards like Fark and most legitimate news websites?
2013-03-07 02:31:41 AM
1 votes:

SpdrJay: Ah, the southern states...


Not sure if troll, Alaskan, or bad at geography.
2013-03-07 01:02:30 AM
1 votes:
It's a fair cop
 
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