GAT_00: ArkAngel: Don't necessarily blame budget cuts for this, though those are a big part. During the late 70's and early 80's, there was a huge movement to reduce the amount of involuntary inpatient treatment for the severely mentally ill (commitment). This despite the fact that many of them need it. Nowadays it is far harder to do so, leaving prisons as the main place these people are confined to.It's more that they'll eventually end up there I think. I don't think that it was intentional to throw the mentally ill into prison, I simply think that nobody who thought cutting those budgets to pieces ever thought about the consequences of it other than "Woo hoo, we saved some money, now we can cut taxes and everything is better." Nobody ever considered the consequences of all of this. The mentally ill are far more likely to commit crimes simply because the actions they end up taking aren't rational and end up often in violation of the law. We no longer can treat them anywhere except prison for far too many of them, so they're thrown in jail. Sure they'll get some mental health there, but once they are released they have no way of keeping on their drugs. None. How are they supposed to pay for those drugs? They can't. So they eventually fall ill again, do something they don't realize is wrong, and end up back in jail.It's an endless and completely breakable cycle of stupid. But we won't do it. Why not? Because it'll cost money, and no matter how much better it will make the country as a whole - a year of mental health drugs and a now productive member of society FAR, FAR outweigh the cost of a year of prison care plus mental health drugs - because to pay for it we'd have to raise taxes, and then the stupid brigade throws a farking hissy fit because they don't understand that shiat needs to be paid for. They just want their free stuff so they can call everyone else a socialist.And that's just one of the many reason I farking loathe the libertarian, all taxes are bad bullshiat. It completely disregards any consequences of their actions.
ox45tallboy: ArkAngel: Don't necessarily blame budget cuts for this, though those are a big part. During the late 70's and early 80's, there was a huge movement to reduce the amount of involuntary inpatient treatment for the severely mentally ill (commitment). This despite the fact that many of them need it. Nowadays it is far harder to do so, leaving prisons as the main place these people are confined to.That rests solely at the feet of Ronald Reagan, the one President who you figure might want people with untreated mental illness to get help. Apparently he figured gun control was cheaper, hence his letter of support for the Brady Bill which specifically referenced his assassination attempt.
Earl of Chives: Dude needs to now spent all that 15.5 million on a team of real attorneys and find a way to get about 100 million out of Dona Ana County.
Marcus Aurelius: "Their policy is to then just put them in solitary" if they appear to have mental health issuesWelcome to today's America. This is SOP across the entire country.Contact your congresscritter and tell them to stop putting people in jail. Legalizing all non-opiate based drugs would be a good start.
MyRandomName: Ill informed partisans make baby jesus cry.
tinfoil-hat maggie: So I'm wondering what happens now, is he free? I would guess he's in a psych ward that he can finally afford. Truly screwed up story.
Taylor Mental: The tax payers reelected the douchenozzles responsible for this because it's apparently more important to finance a government-sanctioned torture facility than fix their pot holes.
ox45tallboy: tinfoil-hat maggie: So I'm wondering what happens now, is he free? I would guess he's in a psych ward that he can finally afford. Truly screwed up story.From the other article, it appears he is on the right meds now and about as normal as could be expected. The guy didn't belong in a psych ward either, just regular visits to a mental health provider.
ox45tallboy: MyRandomName: Ill informed partisans make baby jesus cry. Yes they do. Which is why you should study more before trying to call someone else out.
L.D. Ablo: Sign me up!I'll do two years of solitary for $15.5M. Hell yes.
generallyso: And no one responsible will suffer meaningful consequences.
tinfoil-hat maggie: Oh shiat, I don't know what to feel now. Glad the guy can function and ....The right meds can make a difference and this story makes me so mad. I hope the guy ends up alright and not taken advantage of
tdyak: I have trouble imagining what he went through when he pulled out his own tooth. Who was watching his cell when he was doing that?
Bathia_Mapes: If I had any say in the matter this gentleman would have received a minimum of $30 million. There is absolutely no reason to do that to anyone.
Farxist Marxist: There are more:http://www.nationofchange.org/albert-woodfox-s-40-years-solitary-con fi nement-1362147066http://articles.cnn.com/2010-02-25/justice/colorado.supermax.silvers te in.solitary_1_solitary-confinement-federal-prison-system-cell?_s=PM:CR IME
Gyrfalcon: It has to do with the minimal amount of "mental health care" given to prisoners in jails. Once he was determined by some random guard to be a "mental health patient" and assigned to solitary for his own protection, then he'd have gotten periodic visits from the doctor and/or psychiatric nurse. Even if these professionals really do care about their patients--and often they do--their "visits" are on the order of 90 seconds long maximum. They may only be something like the doctor looking through the food slot and saying "Hey, John, how are you feeling today? Still suicidal? Have you been taking your meds?" If John can't or won't reply, the doctor asks the guards how he's been doing, and then it's off to monitor the 795 other patients and inmates in the jail.Even assuming the guards are not viciously hostile (and some of them aren't), they're not mental health professionals. They don't get the difference between someone who is really sick, and someone who is working the system (and there are plenty of those); so they can't or won't differentiate between John who is genuinely depressed and confused, and Steve who is malingering so he can get a few days out of GP and work detail. If Steve biatches about how his feet hurt, he gets scoffed at because they know he's faking; when John says the same thing--he gets scoffed at because all those nutjobs complain, right?Throw in the awful record-keeping in any government agency, let the regular jail doctor go off on vacation or quit because he can't take the stress in the middle of the month; and next thing you know, our man John has been hiding under his blanket for two years without anyone really noticing. What's worse is that it wasn't really done maliciously, it was pure neglect and disregard for psychos in our system. (The refusal to pay, that was malicious) Nobody went out of their way to target this guy, and it happens, to a greater or lesser degree, to everyone who's mentally ill in the prison system.
ox45tallboy: tinfoil-hat maggie: Oh shiat, I don't know what to feel now. Glad the guy can function and ....The right meds can make a difference and this story makes me so mad. I hope the guy ends up alright and not taken advantage ofIf you want to go back to 'depressed', he's also terminally ill with lung cancer, having outlived doctor's expectations. I'm betting he'll give most all of it away to a charity, but I hope he keeps some and to spend on himself and making his last bit of time very comfortable.
doglover: Why was he in solitary so long?Who put him there?Why are their heads still on their bodies?22 months in solitary is some farked up shiat. It's worse than waterboarding or most physical tortures. It can easily break people you'd think are unbreakable.The execution of those responsible is a good first step in a civilized society. Justice would be sending them to solitary for 22 months themselves, but I can't endorse such cruelty.
PickledBoodah: L.D. Ablo: Sign me up!I'll do two years of solitary for $15.5M. Hell yes.You have no idea what that odes to you. I don't know you but my guess is you would break before the first month. It's torture.
ox45tallboy: doglover: That treason you've posted has human rights groups monitoring him often. He's being as well treated as possible. The other guy was in "the hole"I see you're not familiar with what Manning was going through before he got transferred to Ft. Leavenworth. The human rights groups finally being made aware of the conditions he was held in for nearly a year was what finally got him transferred.I can't decide based on the descriptions of the conditions of both incarcerations which would be worse. I'd probably go with the guy from TFA as worse, since Manning got better treatment a year after his arrest, and this guy endured some horrible sh*t for 22 months.The measure of a society is how it treats its worst. Because if the sort of treatment either of these guys received is found to be okay based on the nature of their wrongdoing, it won't be long until lesser offenses are deemed worthy of that sort of treatment. I mean, hell, neither one of them have even been found guilty of a crime, right?
PsyLord: Guess I'm adding New Mexico to the states that I will never visit.
over_and_done: public torture for 22 months
doglover: over_and_done: public torture for 22 monthsYou don't even know what torture is. Even with modern medicine you'll be lucky to get 22 hours of decent torture in.
over_and_done: We give them hundreds of millions of dollars in golden parachutes when they retire from their boardroom positions. If they happen to have committed any crimes, those are ignored (unless enough public outcry is raised to force a show trial) or outright forgiven.How are we doin'?
evaned: TFA:"he was forced to pull out his own tooth because he said he wasn't allowed to see a dentist"Hell, I'm not sure I would do even just that for $15 million. That's seriously f'ed up.
DrPainMD: "...no jail personnel have been fired over Slevin's treatment."That's what's wrong with the system. Elect me and people who pull this kind of crap will be put up against a wall and their brains blown out the back of their useless heads, on live TV.
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