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(Reuters)   Syrian rebels capture 20 UN peace keepers and threaten to hold them until Syrian government forces withdraw from their village   (reuters.com) divider line 65
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2013-03-06 08:12:42 PM
Way to shoot yourselves in the foot, you morons!
 
2013-03-06 08:25:17 PM
Bashar must be laughing his ass off.
 
2013-03-06 08:28:40 PM
This could be a win for the rebels

Sure, taking UN peacekeepers is a shiatty thing to do. However, it will give them more attention than only fighting governmental forces. It might force the UN to actually deal with what is happening in Syria rather than doing only token actions.
 
2013-03-06 08:31:06 PM

cman: This could be a win for the rebels

Sure, taking UN peacekeepers is a shiatty thing to do. However, it will give them more attention than only fighting governmental forces. It might force the UN to actually deal with what is happening in Syria rather than doing only token actions.


Their mission is to stop military actions in the DMZ on the Golan, Israel has been shelled multiple times since the conflict started and actually rescued 8 rebels who entered the DMZ with injuries. The UN forces are being turtles in their blue helmets.
 
2013-03-06 08:39:46 PM
I think they don't quite grasp the situation. They should say they captured 20 UN peace-keepers and threaten to RELEASE them until Syrian government forces withdraw from their village.
 
2013-03-06 08:47:48 PM
You're doing it wrong.
 
2013-03-06 08:48:22 PM
The UN Peacekeepers will just give them cholera and then they will go free.
 
2013-03-06 08:51:26 PM
Yo dawg, I heard you like Tolstoy, so I put some war in your peace so you can have War and Peacekeepers!
 
2013-03-06 08:52:35 PM
What? No lame "strongly worded letter" joke in the headline?
for shame,  subby.For shame.
 
2013-03-06 08:52:40 PM
Good thing we(the US) are only giving them hundreds of dollars
 
2013-03-06 08:53:05 PM

zedster: turtles


Why weren't they circumcised?
 
2013-03-06 08:53:40 PM

zedster: helmets


oh
they were
never mind.
 
2013-03-06 08:56:34 PM
A well-thought-out scheme.  I'm going to continue drinking until ABC brings back Cop Rock.
 
2013-03-06 08:57:28 PM
The way I read the article; this particular group of rebels was already under a microscope for unrelated executions. This seems like a poor idea.
 
2013-03-06 08:58:33 PM
Will finally have some independent observers able to confirm what's happening. "Yes, in fact 20 of us were captured."
 
2013-03-06 08:59:36 PM

ourbigdumbmouth: Good thing we(the US) are only giving them hundreds of dollars


It's a tough situation to be in, really. I mean, every US agency wants to see Assad overthrown, but they are terrified of arming what is eventually going to be a full blown civil war when the command and control structure collapses. It's Iraq all over again with tribal factions eventually remaking the society and settling old scores.

It's going to get even more brutal when the Syrian Army vaporizes.

It's ironic because they have been funding the Lebanese unpleasentness and now they are going to suffer the same fate.
 
2013-03-06 09:00:03 PM
...wut?
 
2013-03-06 09:00:18 PM
I don't think they thought this all the way through.
 
2013-03-06 09:04:10 PM
 
2013-03-06 09:04:31 PM
My tinfoil Sense is tingling here. Is it possible these goons are actually pro-Govt. forces posing as rebels?

Because within weeks of finally getting US support and then they'd pull something like this? NOOOOOOOO ONE is that stupid!
 
2013-03-06 09:06:30 PM

TV's Vinnie: My tinfoil Sense is tingling here. Is it possible these goons are actually pro-Govt. forces posing as rebels?

Because within weeks of finally getting US support and then they'd pull something like this? NOOOOOOOO ONE is that stupid!


Now that... makes more sense
 
2013-03-06 09:06:33 PM
This is why I roll my eyes any time the media does a story fawning over the Syrian "freedom fighters." We've seen how this story plays out before, and yet our naive state department thinks its a swell idea to sign us up to the cause. Without even knowing what the cause is.
 
2013-03-06 09:06:59 PM

TV's Vinnie: NOOOOOOOO ONE is that stupid!


Allow me to introduce you to heavily armed men with little or no education.
 
2013-03-06 09:08:10 PM

NewportBarGuy: TV's Vinnie: NOOOOOOOO ONE is that stupid!

Allow me to introduce you to heavily armed men with little or no education.


I was thinking drug use because it's so retarded. But Vinnie might have something.
 
2013-03-06 09:10:30 PM

Rapmaster2000: A well-thought-out scheme.  I'm going to continue drinking until ABC brings back Cop Rock.


Makes sense, that's how it got started the first time.
 
2013-03-06 09:10:48 PM

Kumana Wanalaia: But Vinnie might have something.


Or, more likely, some area commander is angling for a higher slot in the syndicate. It could be a couple of things. Stupidity is most likely.
 
2013-03-06 09:11:11 PM

NewportBarGuy: ourbigdumbmouth: Good thing we(the US) are only giving them hundreds of dollars

It's a tough situation to be in, really. I mean, every US agency wants to see Assad overthrown, but they are terrified of arming what is eventually going to be a full blown civil war when the command and control structure collapses. It's Iraq all over again with tribal factions eventually remaking the society and settling old scores.

It's going to get even more brutal when the Syrian Army vaporizes.

It's ironic because they have been funding the Lebanese unpleasentness and now they are going to suffer the same fate.


Eventually?  What do you call what's going on now?
 
2013-03-06 09:11:47 PM
Rebels Without a Clue?

Filipino Rebels In Syria Flip Their Lids?

This Wouldn't Have Happened If UN Had Gun Control Laws/2nd Amendment Protections?

Clearly, This Is Obama's Fault, Boehner Says?

Lootie Did It?

Are The Captors Female 'Cause If So... Niiiice... Amirite?

/I miss any?
//sorry, I'm clearly a little under the weather tonight
 
2013-03-06 09:11:52 PM
Scenario 1- Another faction takes this faction out to get in good with the U.S.
Scenario 2- The U.S. takes out this faction.
Scenario 3- This drags out, and holding 20 hostages turns out to be a big drain on their resources and they Syrian government takes them out.
Scenario 4- They get stupid and harm the hostages and the U.S. takes them out.
Scenario 5- A splinter cell in the Syrian government takes them out and uses them as leverage to get the hell out of Syria.
Scenario 6- Israel sees an opportunity and takes them out knowing the U.S. can't admonish them for helping out.  Everyone keeps quiet because no one wants the Israelis involved.
Scenario 7- We negotiate with them and give them weapons.  Then we take them out so people don't know we negotiate with terrorists.
Scenario 8- This turns international sentiment against them.
Scenario 9- Chuck Norris and Christie Brinkley lead Seal Team 6 on a rescue mission.  After subduing them, Chuck Norris teaches them martial arts, because, hey, they are the 'good-guys'.  Christie Brinkley pleasures them in roughly the same way Betty White would, only with more muscle tone and less sexuality, and they conquer Catan.  Obviously, that's the most likely result.
 
2013-03-06 09:15:59 PM

Raoul Eaton: Eventually? What do you call what's going on now?


The prelude to the real nastiness. As soon as they stop focusing on the leadership, they will focus on each other. Remember those thousands of bodies found on the side of the road every morning in Iraq after 2003? They effectively redistricted the populace by ethnic group through slaughter or by mass exodus.

What's going on now is horrible, but it's a defined clash between forces, thought the rebels are not 100% cohesive. Once they vanquish their main foe, they'll re-target on each other and the remaining civilians.
 
2013-03-06 09:16:45 PM
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-03-06 09:26:10 PM
Do UN peacekeepers ever actually do anything?
 
2013-03-06 09:26:59 PM
Scarran and peace keepers? Spoiler alert, they're working together.
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-06 09:36:31 PM
I worked there for a while, was there when the Danish embassy (among others in the same building) was burned after the Mohammad cartoons.

If it's like when I was there, as far as the general populous is concerned, anyone non Arab is considered American, as American doesn't so much mean from the US, but means westerner. Since America is enemy number 1, if the UN isn't actively helping them then the thought is that they must be actively working against them.

The UN mission isn't to do anything but observe and file reports on breaches of the disengagement zone that the UN then files complaints to the applicable government. They have only small arms and armoured taxis, they can't do anything but hole up in their bunkers and defend themselves... and with the civilians in New York calling all the shots, can't even do that effectively.

I fear this is just the start of the complete shiat show that place is going to become.

My thoughts are with the captured, hope they make it out of this ok.
 
2013-03-06 09:37:39 PM

TV's Vinnie: My tinfoil Sense is tingling here. Is it possible these goons are actually pro-Govt. forces posing as rebels?

Because within weeks of finally getting US support and then they'd pull something like this? NOOOOOOOO ONE is that stupid!


Well, unless these are a bunch of Syrian college students who disagree with their allies and think they know how to run a better rebellion and you're not the boss of me!
 
2013-03-06 09:46:29 PM
This is not what they mean by desperate times call for desperate measures guys...
 
2013-03-06 09:49:28 PM
Official Syrian government position:

Oh no! Whatever you do please, please don't kill those UN hostages. That would break our hearts.

Lalalala... we are not touching you... lalalala we are withdrawing... no, no we mean it!
 
2013-03-06 09:52:00 PM

cman: This could be a win for the rebels

Sure, taking UN peacekeepers is a shiatty thing to do. However, it will give them more attention than only fighting governmental forces. It might force the UN to actually deal with what is happening in Syria rather than doing only token actions.


Right now the rebels are riding high on people not paying so close attention to them.

I don't think the rebels want to be exposed to be what they are. Jihadists. They're sponsored by the usual suspects, think Al Quida etc.

Assad isn't a saint, but you know, he just more the Saddam Hussein kind of villain, rather than a religious lunatic.
 
2013-03-06 09:57:32 PM
The Martyrs of Yarmouk? These guys seem legit. We should definitely be sure to slide plenty of money and weapons to these Brave Freedom Fighters, because Assad BAD.
 
2013-03-06 10:20:39 PM
I think I have a great story-line for the next "Bad Idea" jeans commercial!!
 
2013-03-06 11:11:54 PM

FARK rebel soldier: Scarran and peace keepers? Spoiler alert, they're working together.
[2.bp.blogspot.com image 400x301]


Dangit!
*shakes tiny fist*
 
2013-03-06 11:18:54 PM

spawn73: cman: This could be a win for the rebels

Sure, taking UN peacekeepers is a shiatty thing to do. However, it will give them more attention than only fighting governmental forces. It might force the UN to actually deal with what is happening in Syria rather than doing only token actions.

Right now the rebels are riding high on people not paying so close attention to them.

I don't think the rebels want to be exposed to be what they are. Jihadists. They're sponsored by the usual suspects, think Al Quida etc.

Assad isn't a saint, but you know, he just more the Saddam Hussein kind of villain, rather than a religious lunatic.


This hasn't been brought up nearly enough.  I live in fear that some mental midgets in the US will force or government to intervene on behalf of the rebels, and then act totally shocked when the rebels welcome in Al Qaeda, make a new treaty with Russia for surplus arms, and generally do all sorts of things we didn't have to worry about before.

Also, am I the only one concerned that 30 random guys were able to completely capture 20 UN Peacekeepers, regardless of their country of origin?  These weren't civilian election observers, they're supposed to be trained soldiers.
 
2013-03-06 11:24:34 PM
uh... guys? I don't think you thought this through completely...


HotWingAgenda: Also, am I the only one concerned that 30 random guys were able to completely capture 20 UN Peacekeepers, regardless of their country of origin?  These weren't civilian election observers, they're supposed to be trained soldiers.


It's those sissy lookin' blue helmets

/who can take those seriously?
 
2013-03-06 11:31:24 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: It's those sissy lookin' blue helmets

/who can take those seriously?


Well, obviously not the "soldiers" of Srebrenica.
 
2013-03-06 11:44:48 PM

HotWingAgenda: Also, am I the only one concerned that 30 random guys were able to completely capture 20 UN Peacekeepers, regardless of their country of origin? These weren't civilian election observers, they're supposed to be trained soldiers.


I don't know how it is now, but in Bosnia they weren't allowed to fight back.  There was a UN Peacekeeper convoy escorting a high ranking member of the Bosnians.  The serbs pulled up, blocked the road, and simply walked up to the car with the Bosnian in it, ordered him out at gunpoint and walked away.  The UN Peacekeepers did absolutely nothing as they weren't allowed to shoot unless fired upon first.

Also, see the book "Shake Hands with the Devil", its about the genocide in Rawanda, written by the general in command of UN forces.  Its amazing how inept the UN Peacekeepers are (they're often from 3rd world armies, and poorly trained), and the UN command structure repeatedly refused to let them act to save peoples lives.
 
2013-03-06 11:45:47 PM
UN Peacekeepers aka Hostages.
 
2013-03-06 11:48:39 PM

ShawnDoc: The UN Peacekeepers did absolutely nothing as they weren't allowed to shoot unless fired upon first.


It's all in interpretation and conduct. They could have fired back, the ossifers chose not to. There is not a f*cking court in the world that would have convicted them. They just didn't have the farking balls toy do the right thing.

Same with Rwanda.
 
2013-03-06 11:51:04 PM

HotWingAgenda: Also, am I the only one concerned that 30 random guys were able to completely capture 20 UN Peacekeepers, regardless of their country of origin?


Am I the only one concerned that we are funding these assclowns?
These are the people we're giving $60Million to. Good job, Mr. new Secretary of State Kerry. Good job, I say!
 
2013-03-06 11:55:16 PM

HotWingAgenda: spawn73: cman: This could be a win for the rebels

Sure, taking UN peacekeepers is a shiatty thing to do. However, it will give them more attention than only fighting governmental forces. It might force the UN to actually deal with what is happening in Syria rather than doing only token actions.

Right now the rebels are riding high on people not paying so close attention to them.

I don't think the rebels want to be exposed to be what they are. Jihadists. They're sponsored by the usual suspects, think Al Quida etc.

Assad isn't a saint, but you know, he just more the Saddam Hussein kind of villain, rather than a religious lunatic.

This hasn't been brought up nearly enough.  I live in fear that some mental midgets in the US will force or government to intervene on behalf of the rebels, and then act totally shocked when the rebels welcome in Al Qaeda, make a new treaty with Russia for surplus arms, and generally do all sorts of things we didn't have to worry about before.

Also, am I the only one concerned that 30 random guys were able to completely capture 20 UN Peacekeepers, regardless of their country of origin?  These weren't civilian election observers, they're supposed to be trained soldiers.


20 guys with rifles, in 2 antiquated battle taxis and a soft body truck vs an ambush or 30 guys with RPGs = 20 guys put their hands up, or their hands will shortly be no where near their bodies.
 
2013-03-06 11:56:21 PM

Glendale: Do UN peacekeepers ever actually do anything?


They do make great human shields for tanks...

But in all seriousness, no, they're not supposed to.
 
2013-03-07 01:24:34 AM

spawn73: cman: This could be a win for the rebels

Sure, taking UN peacekeepers is a shiatty thing to do. However, it will give them more attention than only fighting governmental forces. It might force the UN to actually deal with what is happening in Syria rather than doing only token actions.

Right now the rebels are riding high on people not paying so close attention to them.

I don't think the rebels want to be exposed to be what they are. Jihadists. They're sponsored by the usual suspects, think Al Quida etc.

believing pro-Assad propaganda like

Assad isn't a saint, but you know, he just more the Saddam Hussein kind of villain, rather than a religious lunati
c , like "both sides are bad so LEAVE ASSAD ALONE
 
2013-03-07 01:48:27 AM
Which sect of Rebels are they? From the article it sounds like they are the Jihadists and not the FSA.
 
2013-03-07 03:26:36 AM
The world would benefit in dragging this conflict out as long as possible.
 
2013-03-07 04:20:01 AM
Piss off your ally at the UN while at the same time giving your enemy a chance to look good. Brilliant!
 
2013-03-07 05:11:07 AM

BokChoy: This is why I roll my eyes any time the media does a story fawning over the Syrian "freedom fighters." We've seen how this story plays out before, and yet our naive state department thinks its a swell idea to sign us up to the cause. Without even knowing what the cause is.


Oh come on now.  Our state department hasn't done much besides condemn Syria / Assad, which is pretty much the only safe bet to take.
Whatever else may happen from this moment forward, one thing will still be true: Assad is a dick who is bombing his own population with reckless abandon.
 
2013-03-07 05:20:19 AM

YouPeopleAreCrazy: Am I the only one concerned that we are funding these assclowns?
These are the people we're giving $60Million to. Good job, Mr. new Secretary of State Kerry. Good job, I say!


Yes you are, and $60M is a pittance so yeah, I agree: good job Mr. Kerry.  That's a pretty small cost for playing nice with the rest of the world, and our veto power in the UN is a hugely important diplomatic tool.  If we're going to use the UN as a tool of influence, we need to buy into the system.

Besides, this "America should do whatever it wants and the UN should STFU" attitude is jingoist bullsh*t that engenders poor relationships with the rest of the world.  The world is globalized now, economies are globalized now, and our diplomatic relationships with other countries are important.  If we act like belligerent dickholes we're going to get the same back.  That attitude it isn't going to be helpful in the long run.
 
2013-03-07 05:46:00 AM

Gawdzila: If we act like belligerent dickholes we're going to get the same back


I don't know if you've noticed, but we already get that attitude from much of the rest of the world, regardless of our actions. We have countries like Iran that justify their hostility against the US by bringing up things that happened over 50 years ago, and some countries use things that didn't even happen to their country to justify hating us. Basically, at this point it doesn't matter what we do, someone is going to hate us for it.

Be the driving force behind providing a Palestinian state? Israel hates us, as do the Arab nations who "support" Palestinian statehood, because their "Let's destroy Israel, without outright saying so!"-card got taken away from them.

Provide humanitarian relief for disaster victims in Ethiopia? Any nearby country controlled by tribes that historically hate Ethiopians hate us for helping their enemies.

Prop up the economy of Greece with financial assistance? We are hated by Turkey, one of our most important allies.

Take military action against terrorists acting in one of literally dozens of countries around the world? Anti-US protests pop up in countries from Algeria to Zimbabwe.

The point being, we cannot win in the court of public opinion, regardless of what we do.
 
2013-03-07 07:08:37 AM

LewDux: spawn73: cman: This could be a win for the rebels

Sure, taking UN peacekeepers is a shiatty thing to do. However, it will give them more attention than only fighting governmental forces. It might force the UN to actually deal with what is happening in Syria rather than doing only token actions.

Right now the rebels are riding high on people not paying so close attention to them.

I don't think the rebels want to be exposed to be what they are. Jihadists. They're sponsored by the usual suspects, think Al Quida etc. believing pro-Assad propaganda like

Assad isn't a saint, but you know, he just more the Saddam Hussein kind of villain, rather than a religious lunatic , like "both sides are bad so LEAVE ASSAD ALONE


There is nothing that prevents you from checking out who those people fighting against Assad are, and that they're supported by Saudia Arabia etc.

http://www.information.dk/451557

Here's an example (use Google translate from Danish), the "Danish" fighter Slimane Hadj Abderrahmane  has just been killed by Assads forces in Syria. He's well known because he was a prisoner in Guantanamo.

I'm sure there's elements of genuine freedom fighters that just want to overthrow Assad etc., but you're naive if you can't see that it's a honeypot for jihadists. And USA and western Europe are morons for supporting them uncritically, because those people are not our friends, regardless of what you think of Assad.
 
2013-03-07 07:51:14 AM
never side with or trust a death cultist
 
2013-03-07 07:54:47 AM
i161.photobucket.com

also, yourenothelping.jpg
 
2013-03-07 09:18:20 AM

zedster: Their mission is to stop military actions in the DMZ on the Golan, Israel has been shelled multiple times since the conflict started and actually rescued 8 rebels who entered the DMZ with injuries. The UN forces are being turtles in their blue helmets.


Unpossible! I have been assured that Israel is a racist country, because two Israelis stormed out of a soccer game after a Muslim player scored a goal!

/that thread is up to 400+ comments, mostly people insisting they're anti-Zionist, not anti-Jew
//"When people say 'Zionist,' what they mean is 'Jew.'" - Martin Luther King Jr.
 
2013-03-07 09:39:28 AM

spawn73: LewDux: spawn73: cman: This could be a win for the rebels

Sure, taking UN peacekeepers is a shiatty thing to do. However, it will give them more attention than only fighting governmental forces. It might force the UN to actually deal with what is happening in Syria rather than doing only token actions.

Right now the rebels are riding high on people not paying so close attention to them.

I don't think the rebels want to be exposed to be what they are. Jihadists. They're sponsored by the usual suspects, think Al Quida etc. believing pro-Assad propaganda like

Assad isn't a saint, but you know, he just more the Saddam Hussein kind of villain, rather than a religious lunatic , like "both sides are bad so LEAVE ASSAD ALONE

There is nothing that prevents you from checking out who those people fighting against Assad are, and that they're supported by Saudia Arabia etc.

http://www.information.dk/451557

Here's an example (use Google translate from Danish), the "Danish" fighter Slimane Hadj Abderrahmane  has just been killed by Assads forces in Syria. He's well known because he was a prisoner in Guantanamo.

I'm sure there's elements of genuine freedom fighters that just want to overthrow Assad etc., but you're naive if you can't see that it's a honeypot for jihadists. And USA and western Europe are morons for supporting them uncritically, because those people are not our friends, regardless of what you think of Assad.


"Some of the people fighting against Assad are bad people, so SCREW THEM ALL"

First you convinced self that almost all of them are terrorists, then you convinced self that West are supporting terrorists uncritically. You sound like someone who is very good at reality
 
2013-03-07 09:58:01 AM

LewDux: spawn73: LewDux: spawn73: cman: This could be a win for the rebels

Sure, taking UN peacekeepers is a shiatty thing to do. However, it will give them more attention than only fighting governmental forces. It might force the UN to actually deal with what is happening in Syria rather than doing only token actions.

Right now the rebels are riding high on people not paying so close attention to them.

I don't think the rebels want to be exposed to be what they are. Jihadists. They're sponsored by the usual suspects, think Al Quida etc. believing pro-Assad propaganda like

Assad isn't a saint, but you know, he just more the Saddam Hussein kind of villain, rather than a religious lunatic , like "both sides are bad so LEAVE ASSAD ALONE

There is nothing that prevents you from checking out who those people fighting against Assad are, and that they're supported by Saudia Arabia etc.

http://www.information.dk/451557

Here's an example (use Google translate from Danish), the "Danish" fighter Slimane Hadj Abderrahmane  has just been killed by Assads forces in Syria. He's well known because he was a prisoner in Guantanamo.

I'm sure there's elements of genuine freedom fighters that just want to overthrow Assad etc., but you're naive if you can't see that it's a honeypot for jihadists. And USA and western Europe are morons for supporting them uncritically, because those people are not our friends, regardless of what you think of Assad.

"Some of the people fighting against Assad are bad people, so SCREW THEM ALL"

First you convinced self that almost all of them are terrorists, then you convinced self that West are supporting terrorists uncritically. You sound like someone who is very good at reality


"I'm sure there's elements of genuine freedom fighters that just want to overthrow Assad etc., but you're naive if you can't see that it's a honeypot for jihadists. And USA and western Europe are morons for supporting them uncritically,"

You seem to have problems reading. Let's try again.
 
2013-03-07 10:33:54 AM
So there's more of them than just elements, but you still convinced that West supports all of them uncritically?
 
2013-03-07 04:21:34 PM
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