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(KTVB Boise)   Man killed when his SUV rolls over him while being jumpstarted   (ktvb.com) divider line 60
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2013-03-06 09:40:32 PM
Once again a problem that could've been prevented by owning a stick.  Manual drives don't take off by themselves.  They may roll away, but not take off.

Although it is a nice change seeing an elderly person running themselves over for a change.  If you are going to screw up bad, be kind and do it to yourself.
 
2013-03-06 10:40:08 PM
CALDWELL -- One man is dead after a freak accident in Caldwell this afternoon.

Idaho State Police say 71-year-old Roy Welsh of Caldwell was trying to jump start his 1979 Dodge Ram Charger near the intersection of Homedale Road and Montana Avenue. He was able to get his SUV running, but it was still in gear and rolled over him while pinning him against the curb.

The incident happened around 2:40 p.m. Police say the SUV then traveled across the front lawn at nearby Vallivue High School and came to rest after striking a tree.
Welsh died from his injuries at the scene of the crash. His family has been notified.

The crash is still under investigation.

That's some fine police work there, Lou.
 
2013-03-06 10:40:57 PM
The vehicle rammed the charger. RIP
 
2013-03-06 10:41:47 PM
shocking
 
2013-03-06 10:43:28 PM

lack of warmth: Once again a problem that could've been prevented by owning a stick.  Manual drives don't take off by themselves.  They may roll away, but not take off.

Although it is a nice change seeing an elderly person running themselves over for a change.  If you are going to screw up bad, be kind and do it to yourself.


Sounds like this WAS a stick.
 
2013-03-06 10:46:22 PM
Park.
 
2013-03-06 10:49:07 PM
Squashed Under Vehicle
 
2013-03-06 10:49:14 PM
How do you jump start a car that's already in gear?
 
2013-03-06 10:51:03 PM

Disappearing Hitchhiker: The vehicle rammed the charger. RIP


I lol'd!


@Nutwrench - lots of 4X4s have a start-in-gear feature to make it safer when you stall out in precarious positions.  That way you don't have to have that foot on the clutch.
 
2013-03-06 10:51:26 PM
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I'm down!
 
2013-03-06 10:54:31 PM
Wrecked 'im? Damn near...uh...nevermind
 
2013-03-06 10:55:24 PM
Can't tell from the crappy article and report, but it sounds like they mean "push starting" instead of "jumping". Not enough information, but the way they describe it he was alone and "jumping" his own vehicle--true jumping (w/jumper cables) needs two cars, so he wouldn't have been alone. Not really enough info to be sure, though.

/Meh.
 
2013-03-06 10:55:27 PM

strangeluck: CALDWELL -- One man is dead after a freak accident in Caldwell this afternoon.

Idaho State Police say 71-year-old Roy Welsh of Caldwell was trying to jump start his 1979 Dodge Ram Charger near the intersection of Homedale Road and Montana Avenue. He was able to get his SUV running, but it was still in gear and rolled over him while pinning him against the curb.

The incident happened around 2:40 p.m. Police say the SUV then traveled across the front lawn at nearby Vallivue High School and came to rest after striking a tree.
Welsh died from his injuries at the scene of the crash. His family has been notified.

The crash is still under investigation.

That's some fine police work there, Lou.


Maybe a crash occured prior to jump-starting the vehicle?
 
2013-03-06 10:56:48 PM
SUV WINS. FATALITY.
 
2013-03-06 10:59:25 PM

lack of warmth: Once again a problem that could've been prevented by owning a stick.  Manual drives don't take off by themselves.  They may roll away, but not take off.

Although it is a nice change seeing an elderly person running themselves over for a change.  If you are going to screw up bad, be kind and do it to yourself.


A manual trans car can be started in gear. I've done it.
Reached in turned the key, car started and proceeded to start moving in reverse. Reached back in, turned car off.  Same car, cotter pin in the clutch linkage broke, key part fell to the street. Started it in gear to get back to where it happened, found the part. Put it back on, secured with wire, drove home. It was made before 1989, so no switch on the clutch pedal.

If his truck was an AT he would have had to defeat the neutral safety switch somehow.
 
2013-03-06 11:00:01 PM
This headline isn't funny. WTF?
 
2013-03-06 11:00:18 PM

The Snow Dog: Can't tell from the crappy article and report, but it sounds like they mean "push starting" instead of "jumping". Not enough information, but the way they describe it he was alone and "jumping" his own vehicle--true jumping (w/jumper cables) needs two cars, so he wouldn't have been alone. Not really enough info to be sure, though.

/Meh.


Starter could have been stuck.
 
2013-03-06 11:02:18 PM

ThatVANguy: This headline isn't funny. WTF?


Dude, he died.  It's not funny, it's hilarious!
 
2013-03-06 11:07:17 PM

StoPPeRmobile: The Snow Dog: Can't tell from the crappy article and report, but it sounds like they mean "push starting" instead of "jumping". Not enough information, but the way they describe it he was alone and "jumping" his own vehicle--true jumping (w/jumper cables) needs two cars, so he wouldn't have been alone. Not really enough info to be sure, though.

/Meh.

Starter could have been stuck.


The story doesn't add up.

If you are bump starting you have to hop in after it is rolling, put it in gear and pop the clutch ... so you should be in the vehicle.

If you are jump starting you usually hook up the alternate power source (car or just a 2nd battery) and then get in the car to hit the started. So again, you are in the vehicle.

The only way I see this happening (i.e. him outside the SUV) is if he jump started the SUV successfully and got out of the running vehicle to unhook the cables and when he was in front of the vehicle it somehow popped into gear. But even this is a stretch.
 
2013-03-06 11:07:45 PM

ThatVANguy: This headline isn't funny. WTF?


Yes it was because the wording implies the old guy, not the SUV, was being jump-started.  Shedding your mortal coil during a jump-anything carries substantial comedic weight.
 
2013-03-06 11:08:15 PM

The Snow Dog: lack of warmth: Once again a problem that could've been prevented by owning a stick.  Manual drives don't take off by themselves.  They may roll away, but not take off.

Although it is a nice change seeing an elderly person running themselves over for a change.  If you are going to screw up bad, be kind and do it to yourself.

Sounds like this WAS a stick.


Are you sure?  I never heard of a stick rolling at idle in gear, they would stall without a foot on the gas.  Now automatics will and are known for it.  Older automatics are also known to not have safety features like not being able to start when in gear.  Vehicles like the Ford Aerostar (auto tranny) could be taken out of park without the key or stepping on the brake.  Every manual I ever drove would lurch and stall if enough gas wasn't applied.  Now if the story was mistaken about the truck being in gear, that would change things.
 
2013-03-06 11:10:27 PM
theorange.co

I told you, I don't want you ridin' with me no more
 
2013-03-06 11:13:36 PM
What a great twit!
 
2013-03-06 11:16:18 PM
If you start a standard on the starter while in gear it'll normally have enough momentum that it wont stall. Ask me how I know.
 
2013-03-06 11:22:16 PM
 A 1979 Dodge Charger?  It was almost certainly a manual transmission.

Scenario:

Vehicle was left in 1st gear, no parking break applied.

Jumper cables attached to the battery, older man knows his older truck and uses a screwdriver across the solenoid to kick the starter over.

Vehicle jumps forward, smush.

My first vehicle was a 1974 Jeep CJ-5.  Just by turning the key with the vehicle in gear, without starting the engine mind you, the starter alone was beefy enough to move the car along as far as the battery held out.
 
2013-03-06 11:22:54 PM
Why was the man being jumpstarted?
 
2013-03-06 11:23:13 PM
PUT IT IN PARK. Problem solved.
 
2013-03-06 11:37:11 PM

NutWrench: How do you jump start a car that's already in gear?


You don't understand the mechanics of starting a manual transmission, for one.
 
2013-03-06 11:48:59 PM
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Gotcha!
 
2013-03-06 11:49:07 PM
If you're under the vehicle while trying to jump-start it, you're doin' it wrong.

Also, at least it wasn't a scary mysteriously-accelerating Jeep.
 
2013-03-06 11:51:13 PM

ThatVANguy: This headline isn't funny. WTF?


nothing is funny in Idaho
 
2013-03-06 11:59:24 PM

The Snow Dog: -true jumping (w/jumper cables) needs two cars,


they sell jump starting battery packs complete with attached cables for those times you need to jump start the car your(lonely)self. $35-60 at pep boys, harbor freight, etc.
 
2013-03-07 12:05:30 AM

SpdrJay: Why was the man being jumpstarted?


pace maker
 
2013-03-07 12:06:58 AM

Farking Canuck: StoPPeRmobile: The Snow Dog: Can't tell from the crappy article and report, but it sounds like they mean "push starting" instead of "jumping". Not enough information, but the way they describe it he was alone and "jumping" his own vehicle--true jumping (w/jumper cables) needs two cars, so he wouldn't have been alone. Not really enough info to be sure, though.

/Meh.

Starter could have been stuck.

The story doesn't add up.

If you are bump starting you have to hop in after it is rolling, put it in gear and pop the clutch ... so you should be in the vehicle.

If you are jump starting you usually hook up the alternate power source (car or just a 2nd battery) and then get in the car to hit the started. So again, you are in the vehicle.

The only way I see this happening (i.e. him outside the SUV) is if he jump started the SUV successfully and got out of the running vehicle to unhook the cables and when he was in front of the vehicle it somehow popped into gear. But even this is a stretch.


When i first looked at the picture i thought the hood was down, is part of why I thought he wasn't jumping. I looked at it again and the hood is up (just so weathered it blends in with the trees), so he most likely was jumping it. (I'm on a phone, so picture wasn't very clear until I enlarged it.)
 
2013-03-07 12:07:07 AM
CSB
back in '65 i worked in a ford dealership doing get ready. we had a cab over dump truck to deliver to the place that would install the actual dump body. in the course of checking it over the cab was forward and i was ask if the truck was in gear. so i said no just as the GM walked in front of it and it was started -- in gear. maybe four feet from a cinder block wall.

fortunately the guy starting it hadn't let go of the key and turned it off. and it only scared the GM but didn't hurt him. and i wasn't fired.
/CSB
 
2013-03-07 12:10:03 AM

lack of warmth: Once again a problem that could've been prevented by owning a stick.


Yup. Could have thrown that under the tire and probably would've stopped the car.
 
2013-03-07 12:13:21 AM
About 10 years ago a guy near my hometown tried jump starting his tractor while it was in gear. The only thing that kept it from running him over was that it ran into a small berm and just ended up pinning him between the tractor and the ground. The fire department was sent out to remove it and I think he only ended up with a few broken ribs. Unrelated story: Another guy near where I live was on Fark for ramming cops cars with his tractor while drunk.
 
2013-03-07 12:40:31 AM
1979 Dodge Ram

SUV?  Was that a thing 34 years ago?  I thought they were just called "campers" or something.
 
2013-03-07 12:45:19 AM
I laughed and then felt bad about it.
 
2013-03-07 01:26:35 AM

Farking Canuck: StoPPeRmobile: The Snow Dog: Can't tell from the crappy article and report, but it sounds like they mean "push starting" instead of "jumping". Not enough information, but the way they describe it he was alone and "jumping" his own vehicle--true jumping (w/jumper cables) needs two cars, so he wouldn't have been alone. Not really enough info to be sure, though.

/Meh.

Starter could have been stuck.

The story doesn't add up.

If you are bump starting you have to hop in after it is rolling, put it in gear and pop the clutch ... so you should be in the vehicle.

If you are jump starting you usually hook up the alternate power source (car or just a 2nd battery) and then get in the car to hit the started. So again, you are in the vehicle.

The only way I see this happening (i.e. him outside the SUV) is if he jump started the SUV successfully and got out of the running vehicle to unhook the cables and when he was in front of the vehicle it somehow popped into gear. But even this is a stretch.


Having push started and jump started many vehicles throughout the years on either side of the pusher/jumper -  pushee/jumpee I concur with this. At no time was anyone in front of a vehicle that offered to push/jump. I also can't recall any circumstances that anyone would be in front of a vehicle that needed a push/jump.
 
2013-03-07 01:38:41 AM

Philbb: Farking Canuck: StoPPeRmobile: The Snow Dog: Can't tell from the crappy article and report, but it sounds like they mean "push starting" instead of "jumping". Not enough information, but the way they describe it he was alone and "jumping" his own vehicle--true jumping (w/jumper cables) needs two cars, so he wouldn't have been alone. Not really enough info to be sure, though.

/Meh.

Starter could have been stuck.

The story doesn't add up.

If you are bump starting you have to hop in after it is rolling, put it in gear and pop the clutch ... so you should be in the vehicle.

If you are jump starting you usually hook up the alternate power source (car or just a 2nd battery) and then get in the car to hit the started. So again, you are in the vehicle.

The only way I see this happening (i.e. him outside the SUV) is if he jump started the SUV successfully and got out of the running vehicle to unhook the cables and when he was in front of the vehicle it somehow popped into gear. But even this is a stretch.

Having push started and jump started many vehicles throughout the years on either side of the pusher/jumper -  pushee/jumpee I concur with this. At no time was anyone in front of a vehicle that offered to push/jump. I also can't recall any circumstances that anyone would be in front of a vehicle that needed a push/jump.


Well, I'm saying he jammed the key, got under the vehicle and wacked the starter. It started, and we have this story.

/have heard many weird tales in the core buying business.
 
2013-03-07 01:46:52 AM

The Snow Dog: Can't tell from the crappy article and report, but it sounds like they mean "push starting" instead of "jumping". Not enough information, but the way they describe it he was alone and "jumping" his own vehicle--true jumping (w/jumper cables) needs two cars, so he wouldn't have been alone. Not really enough info to be sure, though.

/Meh.


You can jumpstart a car by yourself with a portable battery pack. I used to have one - nice to have if you go out into the country by yourself, since if your car dies you have a way out.  Good ones also have a air compressor, so you can also temporarily fix a flat with a slow leak.
 
2013-03-07 01:54:44 AM
Nothing in this story makes any damns sense. First off, the only "SUVs" from 1979 were pickup trucks with those cabs on them. Secondly, automatic or manual (probably manual), push start or jump start, how the hell did he manage to run himself over?
 
2013-03-07 02:44:34 AM

Philbb: Having push started and jump started many vehicles throughout the years on either side of the pusher/jumper - pushee/jumpee I concur with this. At no time was anyone in front of a vehicle that offered to push/jump. I also can't recall any circumstances that anyone would be in front of a vehicle that needed a push/jump.



Article says pinned him to the curb. So, maybe he was on the side of the vehicle when he jump started, the vehicle moved and then rolling vehicle pinned him to the curb.
 
2013-03-07 03:16:46 AM

lack of warmth: Once again a problem that could've been prevented by owning a stick.  Manual drives don't take off by themselves.  They may roll away, but not take off.

Although it is a nice change seeing an elderly person running themselves over for a change.  If you are going to screw up bad, be kind and do it to yourself.


^people actually believe this
 
2013-03-07 04:20:57 AM

Yogimus: lack of warmth: Once again a problem that could've been prevented by owning a stick.  Manual drives don't take off by themselves.  They may roll away, but not take off.

Although it is a nice change seeing an elderly person running themselves over for a change.  If you are going to screw up bad, be kind and do it to yourself.

^people actually believe this


Jey man, old people don't drive as much, that's why the stats are screwed.
 
2013-03-07 04:36:39 AM

The Snow Dog: Can't tell from the crappy article and report, but it sounds like they mean "push starting" instead of "jumping". Not enough information, but the way they describe it he was alone and "jumping" his own vehicle--true jumping (w/jumper cables) needs two cars, so he wouldn't have been alone. Not really enough info to be sure, though.

/Meh.


Nowadays you can jump start a car without a second car, with one of those external batteries. They're great, and they work very quickly. So if this is what they guy was trying to do: Where was he trying to attach the cables? It sounds like his jumping technique could have used some work.
 
2013-03-07 05:21:33 AM
I think he was in 1st gear when he sparked the starter. Why would he spark the starter? Because he is a moron.
 
2013-03-07 06:03:11 AM
This is why you SET THE F**KING PARKING BRAKE.
It drives me up the wall when people who drive automatics just shove it into "Park" and walk away without setting the brake.
That is NOT what the "Park" gear is for!
 
2013-03-07 06:06:47 AM

Gawdzila: This is why you SET THE F**KING PARKING BRAKE.
It drives me up the wall when people who drive automatics just shove it into "Park" and walk away without setting the brake.
That is NOT what the "Park" gear is for!


Not all cars have a parking brake.
 
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