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(Newsnet5)   Cleveland is paying families to move back into town. 'We're Not Detroit' just wasn't working   (newsnet5.com) divider line 16
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2013-03-06 11:16:19 PM
4 votes:
Cleveland will never have Detroit's street cred.

Tell someone that you are from Cleveland, and they will laugh.

Tell someone that you are from Detroit, and they will back off two steps.
2013-03-06 08:22:34 PM
3 votes:
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2013-03-06 10:39:35 PM
2 votes:
The unemployment rate in Cleveland has dropped nearly 4% over the past two years, now at 8.5%. There are big restoration projects going on throughout the city, including an almost total reconstruction of the Flats and what Dan Gilbert describes as as a "little Time Square" that will be finished in the area around Progressive Field and Quicken Loans Arena by 2017. We have a great theater district, a thriving music scene, great restaurants, some of the best hospitals on the planet and a constant stream of revenue from studios shooting movies here all the time. Yeah, it's cold and rusty and you're putting your life at risk by stopping at red lights in East Cleveland, but Cleveland as a whole doesn't suck nearly as bad as the rest of the country (the high majority of them having never been here and only going off of what they saw in the Cleveland Tourism Video) would make you believe.
2013-03-07 07:50:10 AM
1 votes:
People migrate to areas with lower taxation. Just wish more liberals would understand this.

VT the highest per capita tax rate of any state. We lost population last year. Losing school enrollment every year for over a decade. Their solution? Increase property and gasoline taxes again to cover for it.

Brilliant. This is how liberals actually think. They think raising taxes has no effect but to make the government rich, so they can make the population rich. Dumb.
2013-03-07 04:18:55 AM
1 votes:

lack of warmth: Not sure how tax abatements will matter, if there is no job to pay for the other expenses.  Sure tax breaks are nice, however not having the jobs to support their families, many won't be able to return to Detroit.  Now if many moving to Cleveland are the same people building the new residential properties, then that seems like a little short term planning.  After awhile those jobs will cease.  Now if Cleveland has some new industry planting itself there, then good for them.


This really isn't about encouraging people to move to Cleveland for fun or on a whim, it's more about moving to the City of Cleveland instead of moving to the suburbs when they do find a job here.

One of the problems plaguing the "Rust Belt" cities really isn't that all of the jobs are gone, it's just that the people with money and jobs have moved to the suburbs, and have taken their property, sales, and income tax revenue with them.  Detroit is the perfect example of this, although you also see it in plenty of other places, Cleveland included.  Those now suburban commuters still use City resources by driving on the roads and generally going to the city for work and entertainment, but at the end of the day their tax dollars primarily go elsewhere.  They go to Auburn Hills instead of Detroit and Schaumburg instead of Chicago, for example.

By encouraging people to move back into the City of Cleveland with the property tax abatement, they're not really losing anything since those people would be suburbanites leeching off of city resources if they had to pay the full rates, and they get the indirect benefits of higher property values from filled in blighted areas and the new businesses (read: new revenue!) that will be sprouting up to support the influx of people.

A good strategy, really.  I actually wish my Milwaukee would try something similar.
2013-03-07 02:13:19 AM
1 votes:

johncb76006: But it's still Cleveland even with the tax abatement.


But it is Ohio, the only ALEC targeted state that has managed to have the constituents take back the state.   So far, despite the claims of ALEC-controlled states like Michigan, Indiana, Wisconsin, and elsewhere, the state isn't doing too badly.  Unfortunately that inspired Michigan to prewrite and ramrod a bill that their constituents could not repudiate.

At least the state gets the idea of limited government right by rejecting extremism from either aisle.  Worked in 1958 and still works well today.
2013-03-07 12:50:54 AM
1 votes:
I've been to Indianapolis, Columbus, Chicago, Boston, NYC, Miami, London, Paris and Philly (To name the "Big cities" people always rave about). I've lived in Indy and Philly.

And you know what?

I'd still rather live here in Cleveland. At least here I can drive a car down the street in less than six hours, I can get a pretty damn fine meal for under fifteen bucks, There are plenty of jobs for my industry ( IT for those of you who need to ask) and It's pretty easy to find reasonable, cheap places to rent. Oh, and Ohio is full of gamers and nerds, so I can pretty easily go out and find people to board game / Miniatures game with.  I have access to tons of fresh, locally grown produce and meats, one of the best fresh markets in the country (West Side Market FTW), THE best chocolate in the country, bar none (Malleys rules) Oh, and I never have to be afraid of massive tornadoes, hurricanes,  epic levels of flooding or snow, or any of the other ridiculous natural disasters all the coastal dwellers will be experiencing as climate change takes effect.

Why the hell would I want to LIVE in those expensive places, where the only thing you can seem to do is go into massive amounts of debt while living in a closet for the pleasure of being close to the shiny bright lights? When I can buy a good home here in a good neighborhood for under 100k, Live damn good on under 50k a year, and Pretty easily find a good place to send my kids to school?

People like to shiat on my city, because it makes them feel better about whatever place they live in. Some people who live here shiat on it because they've been convinced by everyone else how much greener the grass is on the other side of the fence.  It aint perfect here. It aint perfect anywhere.  But Im plenty comfortable with where I live and I'd like to keep on living here.

So you folks can keep on throwing poo like monkeys. I'll keep laughing at you paying 1500 bucks a month in rent so you can live within a 45 minute drive of your own big city.
2013-03-06 11:17:22 PM
1 votes:
"There are big restoration projects going on throughout the city, including an almost total reconstruction of the Flats and what Dan Gilbert describesas as a "little Time Square" that will be finished in the area around Progressive Field and Quicken Loans Arena by 2017. We have a great theater district, a thriving music scene, great restaurants, some of the best hospitals on the planet and a constant stream of revenue from studios shooting movies here all the time."

The Flats are still fairly devoid of business except titty bars and nightclubs, and is always "fight night" on the weekends. Many businesses were forced out years ago-the notion of "the Flats are back" has been loudly stated since i got here 8 years ago, and it's still not "back". What's now Progressive Field has never paid for itself or brought in the jobs promised. But who cares? It was publicly funded like all the failed projects here. The Euclid corridor project virtually shut down Euclid Ave for three years and 80% of the business failed due to inability to get people in the door. Dan Gilbert is losing his shirt with the new casino, so much that his other Ohio casino is "on hold".The "Medical Mart" is a prime example of another failed public financed project- we were taxed without agreeing to it, there's still just a big hole in the ground three years later, and the parent company is bankrupt and renowned for starting big public works projects and leaving craters there.Who in their right mind would attend a conference in Cleveland or consider this a "destination: town for trade shows or conferences? We are not LA, Vegas, or NY, and they are all seeing their business slow. We have the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame (sorta), but all the good stuff happens at the NY location. Our port has been screwing up and losing/embezzling money for decades. Cleveland is known for FAILURE at pretty much everything we attempt, especially when it's publicly funded. Yes, we have a cool arts, theatre and museum areas, but us poor folks would nevefr know it-that's for the few rich folks left. We DO have a BIG lake fulla water, but that will be taken from us soon enough too. That is our most precious resource, and I guarantee we screw that up too. No infrastructure, no manufacturing, the REAL unemployment rate is probably closer to 20% and we have no real solutions.

/rant over-
2013-03-06 11:01:46 PM
1 votes:

CavalierEternal: The unemployment rate in Cleveland has dropped nearly 4% over the past two years, now at 8.5%. There are big restoration projects going on throughout the city, including an almost total reconstruction of the Flats and what Dan Gilbert describes as as a "little Time Square" that will be finished in the area around Progressive Field and Quicken Loans Arena by 2017. We have a great theater district, a thriving music scene, great restaurants, some of the best hospitals on the planet and a constant stream of revenue from studios shooting movies here all the time. Yeah, it's cold and rusty and you're putting your life at risk by stopping at red lights in East Cleveland, but Cleveland as a whole doesn't suck nearly as bad as the rest of the country (the high majority of them having never been here and only going off of what they saw in the Cleveland Tourism Video) would make you believe.


So, temporary work. Sounds like a great place to buy a home.
2013-03-06 10:58:53 PM
1 votes:
So they're saying a pretty strong fark you to all those who haven't left yet and will be picking up the tab for these people for 15 years until they move back out.
2013-03-06 10:50:56 PM
1 votes:
Even better-

Welcome to downtown Cleveland!

Meet your new neighbors!


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2013-03-06 10:48:18 PM
1 votes:
"Your tax dollars are bailing out the developers that financed our campaigns"
2013-03-06 10:46:15 PM
1 votes:
Cleveland actually has a decent amount of slowly but steadily growing industries and financial services jobs.  Most of the heavy industry that was going to go away did so around 30 years ago in the form of steal and automotive.  The downtown and some of the near burbs are questionable but Cleveland is this weird spread of moderately spread out big towns/small cities in close proximity each with their own flavour.  I won't say its going to make a comeback to its auto industry/standard oil glory period but it does have a much more sustainable future than alot of other rust belt cities.

/Clevelander
// Ok actually fro Berea
2013-03-06 10:36:07 PM
1 votes:
Cleveland ROCKS!

I work close by' GREAT place to live if you like downtown filth, rude sports fans, loud obnoxious drunks, incredibly pricey food and beer, neighbors who obliviously allow their dogs to shiat on the sidewalk right in front of your next step, bums blithely pissing or taking a nasty "Cleveland Steamer" on your doorway, aggressive "entitled" panhandlers who demand you give them "something: and lotsa cops- always going somewhere else and never around when someone's attempting to rob or kill you-

But, Drew Carey DOES drop into Cleveland like a turd in the punch bowl every few years to espose his libertarian nonsense while advising how best to "improve" Cleveland. He couldn't give two shiats for this town-

/hates it here-suggests driving by and to keep on going
2013-03-06 10:14:02 PM
1 votes:
Why don't they just hire Drew Carey to be their spokesman? He can try to lure people in with nostalgia over his old comedy show, were he yelled "OHIO" in the credits.

/got nuthin
2013-03-06 08:13:35 PM
1 votes:
 
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