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2013-03-06 08:13:35 PM
 
2013-03-06 08:22:34 PM
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2013-03-06 09:33:52 PM
Not sure how tax abatements will matter, if there is no job to pay for the other expenses.  Sure tax breaks are nice, however not having the jobs to support their families, many won't be able to return to Detroit.  Now if many moving to Cleveland are the same people building the new residential properties, then that seems like a little short term planning.  After awhile those jobs will cease.  Now if Cleveland has some new industry planting itself there, then good for them.
 
2013-03-06 10:14:02 PM
Why don't they just hire Drew Carey to be their spokesman? He can try to lure people in with nostalgia over his old comedy show, were he yelled "OHIO" in the credits.

/got nuthin
 
2013-03-06 10:14:32 PM
Don't slow down in East Cleveland or you'll die.
 
2013-03-06 10:14:46 PM

lack of warmth: Not sure how tax abatements will matter, if there is no job to pay for the other expenses.  Sure tax breaks are nice, however not having the jobs to support their families, many won't be able to return to Detroit.  Now if many moving to Cleveland are the same people building the new residential properties, then that seems like a little short term planning.  After awhile those jobs will cease.  Now if Cleveland has some new industry planting itself there, then good for them.


fark you! I'm eating!
 
2013-03-06 10:23:09 PM
shiatty weather and chicks are all deuces...where do I sign up?
 
2013-03-06 10:23:11 PM
A misleading/false headline, on my Fark?
Yeah Cleveland sucks, stay away everybody.
 
2013-03-06 10:23:47 PM
Sounds like a good idea but do they offer the tax abatements on real houses? Its pretty pointless if it is only on condos/townhomes.
 
2013-03-06 10:24:58 PM
Chattanooga is doing the same thing for software engineers to buy homes in specific neighborhoods.  Of course, the tax breaks don't make up for what you could make working in a more tech-centric city, and more broadly what you give up by tying yourself to a mortgage in a city with a dearth of those type of jobs.

I hear the outdoorsy perks of the city are nice though.
 
2013-03-06 10:25:12 PM
Can't they just hang onto the logos, names and records of the families in Cleveland and call the people when they move to a new city a brand new "expansion" group?
 
2013-03-06 10:26:42 PM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: [cache.gawkerassets.com image 340x245]

Mike Polk is the best thing about Cleveland, by far.


I actually think he's the devil in disguise for Cleveland.   What he made as an inside joke for Clevelandars to have a self-effacing chuckle at, has been disseminated around the country where people who don't know any better, take it seriously....

You can show a bunch of lame crap about ANY city, but if your audience is uneducated about the good things that aren't displayed, their opinion will be only about the bad stuff.   There has been a huge resurgence of negative Cleveland perceptions coinciding with that video.   He should be ashamed.

One day, i'm going to go back and make a proper Cleveland tourism video that will convince people to spend their vacation their as the new hotspot destination.
 
2013-03-06 10:29:06 PM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: [cache.gawkerassets.com image 340x245]

Mike Polk is the best thing about Cleveland, by far.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRBDMMVctu8

Factory of Sadness!!!!!
 
2013-03-06 10:33:43 PM

SevenizGud: shiatty weather and chicks are all deuces...where do I sign up?


Can you help me with the lingo, please?  Does "duece" mean over 200 pounds, or do they have double the input orifices?

/Ohio, round on the outside, hi in the middle.
 
2013-03-06 10:36:07 PM
Cleveland ROCKS!

I work close by' GREAT place to live if you like downtown filth, rude sports fans, loud obnoxious drunks, incredibly pricey food and beer, neighbors who obliviously allow their dogs to shiat on the sidewalk right in front of your next step, bums blithely pissing or taking a nasty "Cleveland Steamer" on your doorway, aggressive "entitled" panhandlers who demand you give them "something: and lotsa cops- always going somewhere else and never around when someone's attempting to rob or kill you-

But, Drew Carey DOES drop into Cleveland like a turd in the punch bowl every few years to espose his libertarian nonsense while advising how best to "improve" Cleveland. He couldn't give two shiats for this town-

/hates it here-suggests driving by and to keep on going
 
2013-03-06 10:36:07 PM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: [cache.gawkerassets.com image 340x245]

Mike Polk is the best thing about Cleveland, by far.


Alan Freed.
 
2013-03-06 10:37:26 PM
Hey now!!! WTF is wrong with Detroit!?!

*looks out window*

Oh.
 
2013-03-06 10:38:45 PM
dramatic ceilings

?
 
2013-03-06 10:39:07 PM
Now if Cleveland were to steal a few Fortune 500's from the South, it would make it worth moving there.
Doubly so if Georgia's Economic Development Theft Board stole them from Ohio in the first place.
 
2013-03-06 10:39:35 PM
The unemployment rate in Cleveland has dropped nearly 4% over the past two years, now at 8.5%. There are big restoration projects going on throughout the city, including an almost total reconstruction of the Flats and what Dan Gilbert describes as as a "little Time Square" that will be finished in the area around Progressive Field and Quicken Loans Arena by 2017. We have a great theater district, a thriving music scene, great restaurants, some of the best hospitals on the planet and a constant stream of revenue from studios shooting movies here all the time. Yeah, it's cold and rusty and you're putting your life at risk by stopping at red lights in East Cleveland, but Cleveland as a whole doesn't suck nearly as bad as the rest of the country (the high majority of them having never been here and only going off of what they saw in the Cleveland Tourism Video) would make you believe.
 
2013-03-06 10:39:45 PM

megarian: Hey now!!! WTF is wrong with Detroit!?!

*looks out window*

Oh.


So you can see the Governor's office in Lansing from your window?  Nice.
 
2013-03-06 10:40:18 PM

strangeluck: Why don't they just hire Drew Carey to be their spokesman? He can try to lure people in with nostalgia over his old comedy show, were he yelled "OHIO" in the credits.

/got nuthin


He still does it on The Price is Right.  If one of the contestants is from Ohio, he acts like they're BFFs.
 
2013-03-06 10:41:10 PM

megarian: Hey now!!! WTF is wrong with Detroit!?!

*looks out window*

Oh.


Window? I didn't know there was intact glass in Detroit.
 
2013-03-06 10:45:25 PM
"Don't slow down in East Cleveland or you'll die"

Cleveland.... Don't-

FTFY skinink
 
2013-03-06 10:46:15 PM
Cleveland actually has a decent amount of slowly but steadily growing industries and financial services jobs.  Most of the heavy industry that was going to go away did so around 30 years ago in the form of steal and automotive.  The downtown and some of the near burbs are questionable but Cleveland is this weird spread of moderately spread out big towns/small cities in close proximity each with their own flavour.  I won't say its going to make a comeback to its auto industry/standard oil glory period but it does have a much more sustainable future than alot of other rust belt cities.

/Clevelander
// Ok actually fro Berea
 
2013-03-06 10:46:55 PM

sethstorm: megarian: Hey now!!! WTF is wrong with Detroit!?!

*looks out window*

Oh.

So you can see the Governor's office in Lansing from your window?  Nice.


Hey now!!! WTF is wrong with Snyder!?!

*turns on news*

Oh.

I lived in Lansing for 5 years. There is a special kind of sad, morbid, depressing entertainment that flows from the Capitol building...
 
2013-03-06 10:48:18 PM
"Your tax dollars are bailing out the developers that financed our campaigns"
 
2013-03-06 10:50:56 PM
Even better-

Welcome to downtown Cleveland!

Meet your new neighbors!


cdn.udmserve.net
 
2013-03-06 10:51:46 PM

UsikFark: megarian: Hey now!!! WTF is wrong with Detroit!?!

*looks out window*

Oh.

Window? I didn't know there was intact glass in Detroit.


I call it a window because saying "particle board with cut-out porthole covered by a stapled-on Zyploc freezer bag" implies Detroit isn't classy as fark.
 
2013-03-06 10:52:08 PM

UsikFark: megarian: Hey now!!! WTF is wrong with Detroit!?!

*looks out window*

Oh.

Window? I didn't know there was intact glass in Detroit.


Sure, they mark the only places where people still live or work.  You may have to drive around awhile but intact glass does exist in Detroit.  Well, for now.
 
2013-03-06 10:52:17 PM
I bet the real purpose is to lure employed people back from the suburbs.

Cleveland has experienced waves of white flight that now sees white people leaving the inner ring suburbs their parents moved to for even more distant suburbs.  Whole neighborhoods of that inner ring of suburbs have turned into deteriorating rental housing with schools going to crap.
 
2013-03-06 10:57:32 PM
I lived in Cleveland for 4 recent years, and it is a depraved sh*thole. No, not just the "East Side" for all you desperate defenders.
 
2013-03-06 10:58:53 PM
So they're saying a pretty strong fark you to all those who haven't left yet and will be picking up the tab for these people for 15 years until they move back out.
 
2013-03-06 10:58:56 PM

megarian: Hey now!!! WTF is wrong with Detroit!?!

*looks out window*

Oh.


Oh hai guyz, what's going on in this thread... oh lawd
 
2013-03-06 11:01:24 PM

detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: megarian: Hey now!!! WTF is wrong with Detroit!?!

*looks out window*

Oh.

Oh hai guyz, what's going on in this thread... oh lawd


I nominate YOU for the new Emergency Manager position!!!
 
2013-03-06 11:01:46 PM

CavalierEternal: The unemployment rate in Cleveland has dropped nearly 4% over the past two years, now at 8.5%. There are big restoration projects going on throughout the city, including an almost total reconstruction of the Flats and what Dan Gilbert describes as as a "little Time Square" that will be finished in the area around Progressive Field and Quicken Loans Arena by 2017. We have a great theater district, a thriving music scene, great restaurants, some of the best hospitals on the planet and a constant stream of revenue from studios shooting movies here all the time. Yeah, it's cold and rusty and you're putting your life at risk by stopping at red lights in East Cleveland, but Cleveland as a whole doesn't suck nearly as bad as the rest of the country (the high majority of them having never been here and only going off of what they saw in the Cleveland Tourism Video) would make you believe.


So, temporary work. Sounds like a great place to buy a home.
 
2013-03-06 11:04:53 PM

T.rex: One day, i'm going to go back and make a proper Cleveland tourism video that will convince people to spend their vacation their as the new hotspot destination.


Anthony Bourdain tried that on No Reservations.  It was the most depressing show he ever did.
 
2013-03-06 11:12:35 PM
sigh. moved to a burbs 3 years ago. Can't see a reason we would ever move back to Cleveland, and we lived on the western lakewood border.
 
2013-03-06 11:16:19 PM
Cleveland will never have Detroit's street cred.

Tell someone that you are from Cleveland, and they will laugh.

Tell someone that you are from Detroit, and they will back off two steps.
 
2013-03-06 11:17:22 PM
"There are big restoration projects going on throughout the city, including an almost total reconstruction of the Flats and what Dan Gilbert describesas as a "little Time Square" that will be finished in the area around Progressive Field and Quicken Loans Arena by 2017. We have a great theater district, a thriving music scene, great restaurants, some of the best hospitals on the planet and a constant stream of revenue from studios shooting movies here all the time."

The Flats are still fairly devoid of business except titty bars and nightclubs, and is always "fight night" on the weekends. Many businesses were forced out years ago-the notion of "the Flats are back" has been loudly stated since i got here 8 years ago, and it's still not "back". What's now Progressive Field has never paid for itself or brought in the jobs promised. But who cares? It was publicly funded like all the failed projects here. The Euclid corridor project virtually shut down Euclid Ave for three years and 80% of the business failed due to inability to get people in the door. Dan Gilbert is losing his shirt with the new casino, so much that his other Ohio casino is "on hold".The "Medical Mart" is a prime example of another failed public financed project- we were taxed without agreeing to it, there's still just a big hole in the ground three years later, and the parent company is bankrupt and renowned for starting big public works projects and leaving craters there.Who in their right mind would attend a conference in Cleveland or consider this a "destination: town for trade shows or conferences? We are not LA, Vegas, or NY, and they are all seeing their business slow. We have the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame (sorta), but all the good stuff happens at the NY location. Our port has been screwing up and losing/embezzling money for decades. Cleveland is known for FAILURE at pretty much everything we attempt, especially when it's publicly funded. Yes, we have a cool arts, theatre and museum areas, but us poor folks would nevefr know it-that's for the few rich folks left. We DO have a BIG lake fulla water, but that will be taken from us soon enough too. That is our most precious resource, and I guarantee we screw that up too. No infrastructure, no manufacturing, the REAL unemployment rate is probably closer to 20% and we have no real solutions.

/rant over-
 
2013-03-06 11:20:14 PM
The retired population is expanding at an exponential rate.  Several northern towns are going to figure out how to attract them (see the magazine articles on places like West Lafayette, IN).  I could buy a house on Cleveland's east side for less than my mortgage in Seattle.
 
2013-03-06 11:24:43 PM
If anyone is looking to move to an eastern suburb, I have a house I'd sell you!  Just so I can leave.  Enjoy your high taxes and lack of decent paying jobs!  Not to mention the 6 months of winter.  To be fair, there are about 2-3 good months of weather though.  Great area to swindle people too.  People are very trusting.  Dan Gilbert is finding that out!
 
2013-03-06 11:28:39 PM
CLEVELAND: WE ARE ALL BETTER NOW! JUST LOOK!

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-06 11:28:58 PM
1. Move to Cleveland to get 15 year tax break
2. Move out of Cleveland after 14.9 years
3. Profit?

/how do they expect to provide schools and city services to all those extra people if they are not collecting any more in tax money?
//i don't think someone thought their plan all the way through
 
2013-03-06 11:30:00 PM

Bung_Howdy: CLEVELAND: WE ARE ALL BETTER NOW! JUST LOOK!

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 480x394]

 
2013-03-06 11:35:26 PM

The Ice Cream Man: Tell someone that you are from Detroit, and they will back off two steps.


And then start singing Don't Stop Believing.
 
2013-03-06 11:35:55 PM
Hmmm reading through some of the posts from farkers in Cleveland, I guess I never realized how awful it was.

/Not there, thankfully.
 
2013-03-06 11:47:06 PM
come to cincinnati. we're revitalizing our urban core, we've got jobs a plenty, and, 2015 all-star game. plus, hella cool neighborhoods.
 
2013-03-06 11:49:10 PM

T.rex: Adolf Oliver Nipples: [cache.gawkerassets.com image 340x245]

Mike Polk is the best thing about Cleveland, by far.

I actually think he's the devil in disguise for Cleveland.   What he made as an inside joke for Clevelandars to have a self-effacing chuckle at, has been disseminated around the country where people who don't know any better, take it seriously....

You can show a bunch of lame crap about ANY city, but if your audience is uneducated about the good things that aren't displayed, their opinion will be only about the bad stuff.   There has been a huge resurgence of negative Cleveland perceptions coinciding with that video.   He should be ashamed.

One day, i'm going to go back and make a proper Cleveland tourism video that will convince people to spend their vacation their as the new hotspot destination.


You may rest assured that everybody already thought that Cleveland was a shiathole, and we find him funnier because he, unlike you, is willing to admit it with a smile. Nobody said "hey, a comedian is making fun of Cleveland, it must be true!". No, they said "hey, a comedian's jokes are funny because they ARE true".
 
2013-03-07 12:07:40 AM
I grew up in Akron, a dull, run-of-the-mill town if there ever was one. Cleveland made it seem like Paris by comparison.
 
2013-03-07 12:49:20 AM
But it's still Cleveland even with the tax abatement.
 
2013-03-07 12:50:54 AM
I've been to Indianapolis, Columbus, Chicago, Boston, NYC, Miami, London, Paris and Philly (To name the "Big cities" people always rave about). I've lived in Indy and Philly.

And you know what?

I'd still rather live here in Cleveland. At least here I can drive a car down the street in less than six hours, I can get a pretty damn fine meal for under fifteen bucks, There are plenty of jobs for my industry ( IT for those of you who need to ask) and It's pretty easy to find reasonable, cheap places to rent. Oh, and Ohio is full of gamers and nerds, so I can pretty easily go out and find people to board game / Miniatures game with.  I have access to tons of fresh, locally grown produce and meats, one of the best fresh markets in the country (West Side Market FTW), THE best chocolate in the country, bar none (Malleys rules) Oh, and I never have to be afraid of massive tornadoes, hurricanes,  epic levels of flooding or snow, or any of the other ridiculous natural disasters all the coastal dwellers will be experiencing as climate change takes effect.

Why the hell would I want to LIVE in those expensive places, where the only thing you can seem to do is go into massive amounts of debt while living in a closet for the pleasure of being close to the shiny bright lights? When I can buy a good home here in a good neighborhood for under 100k, Live damn good on under 50k a year, and Pretty easily find a good place to send my kids to school?

People like to shiat on my city, because it makes them feel better about whatever place they live in. Some people who live here shiat on it because they've been convinced by everyone else how much greener the grass is on the other side of the fence.  It aint perfect here. It aint perfect anywhere.  But Im plenty comfortable with where I live and I'd like to keep on living here.

So you folks can keep on throwing poo like monkeys. I'll keep laughing at you paying 1500 bucks a month in rent so you can live within a 45 minute drive of your own big city.
 
2013-03-07 01:07:32 AM

megarian: detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: megarian: Hey now!!! WTF is wrong with Detroit!?!

*looks out window*

Oh.

Oh hai guyz, what's going on in this thread... oh lawd

I nominate YOU for the new Emergency Manager position!!!



It would be hard not to do well in that position. Don't embezzle and don't spend money you don't have. Also, be hated by every city religious leader stumping politician for being the white devil. They must have a whole cadre of qualified candidates beating the door down.
 
2013-03-07 01:13:03 AM

Glenechocreek: I grew up in Akron, a dull, run-of-the-mill town if there ever was one. Cleveland made it seem like Paris by comparison.

Speaking  of dull, you should visit Calgary.  Their idea of group sex is using both hands.

 
2013-03-07 01:28:00 AM

SuperT: come to cincinnati. we're revitalizing our urban core, we've got jobs a plenty, and, 2015 all-star game. plus, hella cool neighborhoods.


Which is also the only option for staying local if you're from Dayton, not a former or current University of Dayton student, and not able to get the few defense-related jobs (that are the closest thing to secure employment in Dayton since pre-AT&T NCR or General Motors).   It's not as if your city lost major parts of both low end and high end at the same time while sending what's left offshore.

Not sure that I'd want to work in Cinci unless it was from a full-time, direct-hire job (and no, staffing agencies don't count) and for a longer term than 2-5 years.
 
2013-03-07 02:13:19 AM

johncb76006: But it's still Cleveland even with the tax abatement.


But it is Ohio, the only ALEC targeted state that has managed to have the constituents take back the state.   So far, despite the claims of ALEC-controlled states like Michigan, Indiana, Wisconsin, and elsewhere, the state isn't doing too badly.  Unfortunately that inspired Michigan to prewrite and ramrod a bill that their constituents could not repudiate.

At least the state gets the idea of limited government right by rejecting extremism from either aisle.  Worked in 1958 and still works well today.
 
2013-03-07 02:23:02 AM

Rapmaster2000: Chattanooga is doing the same thing for software engineers to buy homes in specific neighborhoods.  Of course, the tax breaks don't make up for what you could make working in a more tech-centric city, and more broadly what you give up by tying yourself to a mortgage in a city with a dearth of those type of jobs.

I hear the outdoorsy perks of the city are nice though.


For once they're doing something right by actually trying to get workers to move as well as businesses - since many places think that the worker should shoulder the burden while the business doesn't.

Now if they'd expand it to more professions (such as non-guest worker, direct-hire IT), the only thing would be to have it happen in more places.
 
2013-03-07 04:18:55 AM

lack of warmth: Not sure how tax abatements will matter, if there is no job to pay for the other expenses.  Sure tax breaks are nice, however not having the jobs to support their families, many won't be able to return to Detroit.  Now if many moving to Cleveland are the same people building the new residential properties, then that seems like a little short term planning.  After awhile those jobs will cease.  Now if Cleveland has some new industry planting itself there, then good for them.


This really isn't about encouraging people to move to Cleveland for fun or on a whim, it's more about moving to the City of Cleveland instead of moving to the suburbs when they do find a job here.

One of the problems plaguing the "Rust Belt" cities really isn't that all of the jobs are gone, it's just that the people with money and jobs have moved to the suburbs, and have taken their property, sales, and income tax revenue with them.  Detroit is the perfect example of this, although you also see it in plenty of other places, Cleveland included.  Those now suburban commuters still use City resources by driving on the roads and generally going to the city for work and entertainment, but at the end of the day their tax dollars primarily go elsewhere.  They go to Auburn Hills instead of Detroit and Schaumburg instead of Chicago, for example.

By encouraging people to move back into the City of Cleveland with the property tax abatement, they're not really losing anything since those people would be suburbanites leeching off of city resources if they had to pay the full rates, and they get the indirect benefits of higher property values from filled in blighted areas and the new businesses (read: new revenue!) that will be sprouting up to support the influx of people.

A good strategy, really.  I actually wish my Milwaukee would try something similar.
 
2013-03-07 04:22:44 AM

Disciple_of_Trogdor: I'd still rather live here in Cleveland.


Replace West Side Market with this:

blog.wisconsinlodging.org

And chocolate with cheese, and you pretty much sum up how I feel about Milwaukee.

/medium-sized Midwestern cities unite?
 
2013-03-07 04:25:42 AM
Well, they DO have a larger coal pile.
Seriously, Cleveland, is that the first thing you want visitors to see from the interstate?
 
2013-03-07 04:54:21 AM

megarian: UsikFark: megarian: Hey now!!! WTF is wrong with Detroit!?!

*looks out window*

Oh.


You gotta admit the awesomeness of Detroit's suburbs, though.
 
2013-03-07 05:13:21 AM
Damn you for getting that stuck in my head, subby.
 
2013-03-07 05:36:08 AM

Glenechocreek: I grew up in Akron, a dull, run-of-the-mill town if there ever was one. Cleveland made it seem like Paris by comparison.


At least Georgia's Economic Theft Board didnt take  your hometown's automated teller machine company.   Then again, that company(Diebold) is also responsible for some questionable voting machine hardware.
 
2013-03-07 07:32:40 AM
GOD HATES CLEVELAND
 
2013-03-07 07:34:34 AM

CavalierEternal: The unemployment rate in Cleveland has dropped nearly 4% over the past two years, now at 8.5%. There are big restoration projects going on throughout the city, including an almost total reconstruction of the Flats and what Dan Gilbert describes as as a "little Time Square" that will be finished in the area around Progressive Field and Quicken Loans Arena by 2017. We have a great theater district, a thriving music scene, great restaurants, some of the best hospitals on the planet and a constant stream of revenue from studios shooting movies here all the time. Yeah, it's cold and rusty and you're putting your life at risk by stopping at red lights in East Cleveland, but Cleveland as a whole doesn't suck nearly as bad as the rest of the country (the high majority of them having never been here and only going off of what they saw in the Cleveland Tourism Video) would make you believe.

Yeah, what he said! ^

 
2013-03-07 07:50:10 AM
People migrate to areas with lower taxation. Just wish more liberals would understand this.

VT the highest per capita tax rate of any state. We lost population last year. Losing school enrollment every year for over a decade. Their solution? Increase property and gasoline taxes again to cover for it.

Brilliant. This is how liberals actually think. They think raising taxes has no effect but to make the government rich, so they can make the population rich. Dumb.
 
2013-03-07 08:41:07 AM
Lived in Cleveland the first 30 years of my life. Whatever they're paying isn't worth it.
 
2013-03-07 08:58:53 AM
What is Cleveland's economy based on now that Lebron James is gone?
 
2013-03-07 09:27:15 AM

Dissociater: What is Cleveland's economy based on now that Lebron James is gone?


Anger and sadness.
 
Skr
2013-03-07 09:53:57 AM
bestofthe80s.files.wordpress.com
Cleave ... land?
 
2013-03-07 04:46:03 PM
My employer tried to get me to move to Cleveland, set me up on tours of the city, introduced me to lots of residents, all that. I swear, the city motto must be "It's not as bad as you've heard."
 
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