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2013-03-06 06:51:02 PM  

Dingleberry Dickwad: que.guero: Ok, so here's what I don't get. From what I understand jobs don't really pay more in places like California, Seattle or New York, so why the fark is the cost of living so much higher, and why are houses so much more expensive? I've been told once that my simple little 2 bedroom house with a moderate sized back yard would sell for twice as much as it does around here in bumfark Wisconsin. What gives?

Because very few people dream of moving to Wisconsin...

SF/LA/NY/SEA are desirable because they are actual places -- opportunity abounds for most anyone who has the determination to make things happen.

Places like Wisconsin are where people end up, nothing personal..

Bwwahahahahahaha! You, I like you. If you want to call higher chances to get shot, mugged, ripped off, have your kids go to overcrowded schools and all the other problems you constantly hear about places like NY, LA,SF, etc opportunity, then I guess you're right. I'll grant you that in those places you don't have to deal with dipshiat backwoods bigoted rednecks as much as you would in WI, but still seems a small price to pay for lower cost of living and lack of the issues I mentioned.


NO DOUBT.  People say they want to live in California, and then they spend all their money trying to get what we have for free in small-town Wisconsin.
- I have an IT job with a good wage and full health coverage.  My commute is five minutes, with a WalMart in between.
- My kids have no problems with schools.  If I have an issue, I walk over to the Principal's house and say 'hi.'
- Our crime consists of angry neighbors fighting over fences, and drunks.  Mostly drunks.
- I don't get litterbugs or vagrants in my yard, but on rare occasions, deer.
- No 'gated neighborhoods' or 'homeowners' associations'. My neighbors are two churches, a county sheriff, and a retired doctor.  When a pet runs free in our neighborhood we recognize it and call the owner to tell them which way it ran.
- Guns aren't an issue here.  Lots of people have them, and lots of people have venison at Christmas.
- I fill up my gas tank about once every three weeks.  If I wanted to I could bicycle everywhere I needed to go, always.
- There is no smog, but there is occasionally the smell of a summer BBQ.  Otherwise it just smells like pine trees.
- There are no pet restrictions, but you can't really own cattle in town.  I think.  Horses are ok though, the Amish often ride them around town.
- We have a library, a swim park, a fitness center, a walking trail, snowmobile trails, a hockey rink, a golf course, tennis courts, and many other amenities that are well-maintained and there's never a crowd or a waiting list for any of them.  The swim park costs $3 though.
- When you first move to town it feels like everyone is watching you and is in your business - but it only feels that way.  They really don't care, they just want to say 'hi'.
- Houses can be had for as little as $50k.  Really expensive ones are $250k.
- There's plenty of work, especially if you have a degree, but still plenty even if you don't, as long as you work hard.
- Beer, cheese, sausage, and wild rice.
 
2013-03-06 06:51:35 PM  

pudding7: Negligible: skullkrusher: Mikey1969: I have a 5 bedroom house with 2 family/bonus rooms(plus living room and dining room), 2 1/2 baths, 3,000 sq ft and a double car garage, that sits on about a quarter of an acre.

For $1500/month

/in Utah

location, location, location

If it's location, location, location, why the hell is LA property so expensive?
 

Two reasons.   This, and this.


Reason 1: You need to have seasons. I like seasons.
Reason 2: That is not LA. Too green. Too little smog. Too few people in the frame.
 
2013-03-06 06:51:44 PM  

Marine1: Every time I've walked out into the cold here in Columbia, MO., I've thought, "Sheesh, it'd be nice to live somewhere warm during the winter. Or all year long."

Then I remember what cost-of-living expenses are like on the coasts and say, "MISSOURI IS GREAT!".


My sister and aunt live in Missouri and we visit them regularly.  You know what, we're always eager to return to California after those visits.

\Missouri is cheap for a reason
 
2013-03-06 06:52:11 PM  
Anyone ever think maybe it wasn't trashed and a rat infested place until they move in and let things get filthy?

Just asking questions.
 
2013-03-06 06:52:37 PM  

Dingleberry Dickwad: Ok, so here's what I don't get. From what I understand jobs don't really pay more in places like California, Seattle or New York, so why the fark is the cost of living so much higher, and why are houses so much more expensive? I've been told once that my simple little 2 bedroom house with a moderate sized back yard would sell for twice as much as it does around here in bumfark Wisconsin. What gives?


One word:  density

/recently moved to San Diego from Minneapolis
 
2013-03-06 06:53:33 PM  
Lunchlady: ...As bad as the 405 will be going to Redondo most days it is NOTHING compared to getting not only into downtown but also through downtown. And once you get past the 5 split in Burbank the drive to Industry is cake.

Ah, He said Redondo/Hermosa, so he means PCH-Redondo. That's +30 minutes from the 405, easy. I think people forget just how far the beach cities in this area are from any freeway.
 
2013-03-06 06:54:16 PM  

MaxxLarge: Serious question:

Wife and I just moved to LA a few weeks ago. We're staying with a friend near where I work until we can find a permanent place. And negotiating neighborhoods and rents is like Chinese algebra (in some cases LITERALLY, since some real estate listings are actually written in Chinese).

Can a native-type person let me know where I should be looking to live?

Difficulty:

1) Job is in City of Industry. Wife's job is in Redondo/Hermosa. Yeah, I know.
2) Need a single-family house with fenced yard, as we have a rescue Greyhound.
3) I can't live where there are bars on the windows. I want my parents to come visit.
4) $2,000-$2,200 would be a good rent window.
5) At least 2 bedrooms.

I don't mind a bit of a commute. Wife and I both have cars and solid work.

Anyone have any suggestions?

/fark is not your personal house-hunting site



have several friends living up there including one who used to be a realtor.  Will send emails and ask...if I find anything out will post to this thread.
 
2013-03-06 06:57:25 PM  

spman: Sounds just like the housing situation here in Connecticut. I'm about to buy a house, and will be paying about $100 a month less on my mortgage than some friends of mine who rent a crappy apartment, and that's even factoring in utilities. Unless you're on Section 8, renting around here is both a waste and a joke.


Congrats, man.
Making good decisions and posting them on Fark is rare these days.
But no snark...I'm happy for ya.
 
2013-03-06 06:58:45 PM  

FizixJunkee: Marine1: Every time I've walked out into the cold here in Columbia, MO., I've thought, "Sheesh, it'd be nice to live somewhere warm during the winter. Or all year long."

Then I remember what cost-of-living expenses are like on the coasts and say, "MISSOURI IS GREAT!".

My sister and aunt live in Missouri and we visit them regularly.  You know what, we're always eager to return to California after those visits.

\Missouri is cheap for a reason


california is gay
 
2013-03-06 07:00:43 PM  
We pay $760 a month for a 2 bedroom, one bath apartment (1015 sq feet) that's just a short walk to shopping, transit and is less than 10 minutes away from my son's workplace. Full-size washer & dryer in unit, seasonal pool, granite countertops. Brand new tiles were installed in the kitchen, dining room, bathroom and vanity before we moved in. And best of all, free expanded basic cable so now all we have to pay for is internet, plus we got a couple of bonuses when we signed a lease. A $200 gift card to the store of our choice and the Comcast representative the complex works through also gave us 6 months of HBO for free.

The rent is higher than in our previous place, but not having to pay for cable balances that out, plus our previous place had none of the amenities that our new place does.
 
2013-03-06 07:01:20 PM  

busy chillin': in before all the posters from flyover land claim you should move to the middle of the country and get a four bedroom house with a two car garage and a nice big yard for around $1,200 a month.


How about a 3 bedroom brick ranch with an acre of yard for under 600 including taxes and insurance with attached 2 car garage and an out building with fenced in yard.
 
2013-03-06 07:01:56 PM  
I had to to a meeting, but imagine my delight and surprise to come back to such massive amounts of incredibly useful knowledge.

Will be poring over this thread a lot. Genuine thanks to everyone for al the advice.
 
2013-03-06 07:02:49 PM  

Big Man On Campus: Lunchlady: ...As bad as the 405 will be going to Redondo most days it is NOTHING compared to getting not only into downtown but also through downtown. And once you get past the 5 split in Burbank the drive to Industry is cake.

Ah, He said Redondo/Hermosa, so he means PCH-Redondo. That's +30 minutes from the 405, easy. I think people forget just how far the beach cities in this area are from any freeway.


Ahhh missed that.

I guess Long Beach is a pretty good option then, going on what others have said. Though if I had my pick I'd do Costa Mesa first.
 
2013-03-06 07:03:19 PM  

timujin: Wow, that's rough.  I have a 1050sq ft 2/1 SFH with a 1-car garage and a yard about three times the size of the house in a good neighborhood.  I pay $1400.

Moving, though, to the west side into a 1-bed with a loft, a 1-car garage and a small (15x20) yard.  It'll be $1600, but it's 4 miles from the beach and, more importantly, about 2.3 miles from my favorite bar.


You still work on lab? That's a hell of a commute. One of my devs lives in marina del ray and commutes to Pasadena every day. She's farking bug nuts.
 
2013-03-06 07:04:18 PM  
As someone who pays $750 a month for rent on a 2bd house in norcal, I'm getting a kick...

To be fair I do live in Rio Vista, of all places.
 
2013-03-06 07:08:49 PM  

MaxxLarge: Serious question:

Wife and I just moved to LA a few weeks ago. We're staying with a friend near where I work until we can find a permanent place. And negotiating neighborhoods and rents is like Chinese algebra (in some cases LITERALLY, since some real estate listings are actually written in Chinese).

Can a native-type person let me know where I should be looking to live?

Difficulty:

1) Job is in City of Industry. Wife's job is in Redondo/Hermosa. Yeah, I know.
2) Need a single-family house with fenced yard, as we have a rescue Greyhound.
3) I can't live where there are bars on the windows. I want my parents to come visit.
4) $2,000-$2,200 would be a good rent window.
5) At least 2 bedrooms.

I don't mind a bit of a commute. Wife and I both have cars and solid work.

Anyone have any suggestions?

/fark is not your personal house-hunting site


I would recommend Norwalk, North Orange County (Fullerton, Brea etc), Whittier or Cypress.  Unfortunately there's little to no chance you'll get a place, in that rental window, that won't have a level of "older neighborhood = borderline sketch" and a handful of security bars on the windows.

Via con Dios.
 
2013-03-06 07:11:04 PM  
O-side, Where the Debris Meets the Sea
 
2013-03-06 07:11:09 PM  

busy chillin': in before all the posters from flyover land claim you should move to the middle of the country and get a four bedroom house with a two car garage and a nice big yard for around $1,200 a month.


Or $580/month in buttfark Indiana
 
2013-03-06 07:11:52 PM  

spman: Sounds just like the housing situation here in Connecticut. I'm about to buy a house, and will be paying about $100 a month less on my mortgage than some friends of mine who rent a crappy apartment, and that's even factoring in utilities. Unless you're on Section 8, renting around here is both a waste and a joke.


CT sucks, I moved to AZ and I LOVE IT!!!
 
xcv
2013-03-06 07:12:36 PM  

MaliFinn: Dingleberry Dickwad: que.guero: Ok, so here's what I don't get. From what I understand jobs don't really pay more in places like California, Seattle or New York, so why the fark is the cost of living so much higher, and why are houses so much more expensive? I've been told once that my simple little 2 bedroom house with a moderate sized back yard would sell for twice as much as it does around here in bumfark Wisconsin. What gives?

Because very few people dream of moving to Wisconsin...

SF/LA/NY/SEA are desirable because they are actual places -- opportunity abounds for most anyone who has the determination to make things happen.

Places like Wisconsin are where people end up, nothing personal..

Bwwahahahahahaha! You, I like you. If you want to call higher chances to get shot, mugged, ripped off, have your kids go to overcrowded schools and all the other problems you constantly hear about places like NY, LA,SF, etc opportunity, then I guess you're right. I'll grant you that in those places you don't have to deal with dipshiat backwoods bigoted rednecks as much as you would in WI, but still seems a small price to pay for lower cost of living and lack of the issues I mentioned.

NO DOUBT.  People say they want to live in California, and then they spend all their money trying to get what we have for free in small-town Wisconsin.
- I have an IT job with a good wage and full health coverage.  My commute is five minutes, with a WalMart in between.
- My kids have no problems with schools.  If I have an issue, I walk over to the Principal's house and say 'hi.'
- Our crime consists of angry neighbors fighting over fences, and drunks.  Mostly drunks.
- I don't get litterbugs or vagrants in my yard, but on rare occasions, deer.
- No 'gated neighborhoods' or 'homeowners' associations'. My neighbors are two churches, a county sheriff, and a retired doctor.  When a pet runs free in our neighborhood we recognize it and call the owner to tell them which way it ran.
- Guns aren't ...


How is it if you're not-white?
 
2013-03-06 07:14:04 PM  
the only reason i live is to spite the people that saved me from suicide.
 
2013-03-06 07:18:34 PM  

Carth: DC


Came in here to say exactly this... so I'll just add "In NoVA, you get all that AND TRAFFIC!"
 
2013-03-06 07:19:51 PM  

Solid State Vittles: Marine1: "MISSOURI IS GREAT!".

Said no one ever.


... kU fan-like typing detected.

Seriously, though, there are pretty nice areas in Missouri. KC, North; Columbia; St. Louis County... places where housing is affordable (2-bedroom, 2-car garage: $180,000), crime is relatively low, commutes aren't horrible, and schools are good. Job growth isn't shabby, either. You could certainly do worse, save the er... spicy... variety of weather we have around here.
 
2013-03-06 07:22:28 PM  
There is a down side to being an illegal undocumented citizen? WTF is this world coming to?

*sarcasm*
 
2013-03-06 07:23:47 PM  
Malifinn NO DOUBT.  People say they want to live in California, and then they spend all their money trying to get what we have for free in small-town Wisconsin.
- I have an IT job with a good wage and full health coverage.  My commute is five minutes, with a WalMart in between.
- My kids have no problems with schools.  If I have an issue, I walk over to the Principal's house and say 'hi.'
- Our crime consists of angry neighbors fighting over fences, and drunks.  Mostly drunks.
- I don't get litterbugs or vagrants in my yard, but on rare occasions, deer.
- No 'gated neighborhoods' or 'homeowners' associations'. My neighbors are two churches, a county sheriff, and a retired doctor.  When a pet runs free in our neighborhood we recognize it and call the owner to tell them which way it ran.
- Guns aren't an issue here.  Lots of people have them, and lots of people have venison at Christmas.
- I fill up my gas tank about once every three weeks.  If I wanted to I could bicycle everywhere I needed to go, always.
- There is no smog, but there is occasionally the smell of a summer BBQ.  Otherwise it just smells like pine trees.
- There are no pet restrictions, but you can't really own cattle in town.  I think.  Horses are ok though, the Amish often ride them around town.
- We have a library, a swim park, a fitness center, a walking trail, snowmobile trails, a hockey rink, a golf course, tennis courts, and many other amenities that are well-maintained and there's never a crowd or a waiting list for any of them.  The swim park costs $3 though.
- When you first move to town it feels like everyone is watching you and is in your business - but it only feels that way.  They really don't care, they just want to say 'hi'.
- Houses can be had for as little as $50k.  Really expensive ones are $250k.
- There's plenty of work, especially if you have a degree, but still plenty even if you don't, as long as you work hard.
- Beer, cheese, sausage, and wild rice.


I live in LA, but lived in Wisconsin for many years and have family there.  It's a real low stress life up there.  Nobody works long hours and the idea of traffic (even in Milwaukee) is pretty laughable.  And lots of people can afford a second home (a lake house).  I visit and I understand the appeal.  Oh, and I like guns and venison.  LA has the former but not the later.

I do hate the weather though.  So, I will never move back.  And I like more cosmspolitan atmosphere and LA is always interesting - good or bad. I also really, really hate driving at 55 - 65 on your one frigging interstate highway (which mostly only has 4 lanes) because the hick state trooper will bust me if I go over that.

It's hard to compare really.  Obviously it just comes down to priorities and interests in life.... and where your job is (of course).
 
2013-03-06 07:25:50 PM  

zabadu: Yogimus: zabadu: spiderpaz: To be fair, in California you can make $36k/ year just answering phones.

Really?  Where?

In CALIFORNIA.

/dumass

Excuse me, fake cop.  Where IN California.  Others understood.


He already admitted he's a dumass. What more do you want?
 
2013-03-06 07:26:44 PM  
Sand immigrant vs Wet immigrant. I don't know who to root for.

Hey, there is a Roberto's on a corner in Oceanside.
 
Ehh
2013-03-06 07:27:10 PM  

cloud_van_dame: Serious question:

1) Job is in City of Industry. Wife's job is in Redondo/Hermosa. Yeah, I know.
2) Need a single-family house with fenced yard, as we have a rescue Greyhound.
3) I can't live where there are bars on the windows. I want my parents to come visit.
4) $2,000-$2,200 would be a good rent window.
5) At least 2 bedrooms.


Culver City, El Segundo?


Redondo/Hermosa is "near the water," which in LA means "up to an hour to drive 10 miles." Spread out a map on a table. Some possibilities: Torrance and Leimert Park.
 
2013-03-06 07:27:47 PM  

Sargun: I moved out to a decent neighbourhood in Cali.  For $1200 we got a nice, clean, house in a great neighbourhood right nearby a university and a decent bit of industry and commercial activity.  It's spacey (the kitchen is a bit small but that's because we're a bit big), doesn't have problems, is bug-free, and there's very little crime in the area.

How about instead of buying shiatty apartments you get off your ass and find a decent place to live.



Near which university?
 
2013-03-06 07:29:08 PM  

meyerkev: Dingleberry Dickwad: Ok, so here's what I don't get. From what I understand jobs don't really pay more in places like California, Seattle or New York, so why the fark is the cost of living so much higher, and why are houses so much more expensive? I've been told once that my simple little 2 bedroom house with a moderate sized back yard would sell for twice as much as it does around here in bumfark Wisconsin. What gives?

In California, it's the mountains and the water.  This does 2 things.

1) It sharply limits the amount of available space.  (The Bay area is REALLY terrible about this.  You're either in the valley or looking at a 3-hour one-way commute over a couple mountain ranges (or possibly both because the entire East and South Bays suck.))
2) It constrains the road network into funnels and sharply limits the space that can be given over to roads leading to terrible traffic.  If there's exactly one road leading from Point A to Point B, I have no choice but to grin and bear it, and if all the roads are 2 lanes tops (where they ought to be 3 lanes minimum with 4-7 lane highways).  Which means that I have a 4-mile commute that can take up to an hour.

And they do pay more.  Chicago was offering 45K-55K compared to Seattle's 90K (or SF's 72K.  (which I took.  Lulz)).  They just don't pay enough more to justify the expense.  Hence why all the "I did everything right and my finances suck" people are from the coasts.  When a house is $70K, I can pick it up with petty change on a 10-year mortgage.  When a house is starting at a million, that's half my lifetime earnings post-tax.

/Also, in SF, there need to be 2 US 101's.  1 101 where people can back up and get onto the bridges across the Bay, and 1 101 where people heading up to the city can just drive over the clusterfark that is the bridge onramps.  Because (other than Google traffic down in Mountain View), that's the big backup for 101.
//Either that or they need to make it easier to get to 280.


this man knows what the fark he is talking about.

/280 rocks, too bad it take forever to to get to it.
 
2013-03-06 07:29:47 PM  

MaxxLarge: I had to to a meeting, but imagine my delight and surprise to come back to such massive amounts of incredibly useful knowledge.

Will be poring over this thread a lot. Genuine thanks to everyone for al the advice.


Since your commute is going to be an evil whore no matter what (unless you move east of work), I'm going suggest sticking with the general Bellflower/Lakewood/Downey area.
One of the issues you're looking at is that most of the new homes are larger than you need and it's hard to find a quaint older home in an area that doesn't require bars on the windows.  These areas have decent neighborhoods and 605 access.

The Valley blows.  It's the definition of soul sucking and you'll leave both you and your wife with a shiatty commute.  At least this way you'll be the only one that's completely miserable.  Take it for the team!
 
2013-03-06 07:29:51 PM  

Yogimus: zabadu: spiderpaz: To be fair, in California you can make $36k/ year just answering phones.

Really?  Where?

In CALIFORNIA.

/dumass


Ok, no really. California is a big farking state. Tell me where I can double my hourly wage doing anything but stripping with no extra education needed and I'll be there in a heartbeat.
 
2013-03-06 07:30:48 PM  

MaxxLarge: 1) Job is in City of Industry. Wife's job is in Redondo/Hermosa. Yeah, I know.


Norwalk or Downey .
 
2013-03-06 07:30:58 PM  

kiwimoogle84: Yogimus: zabadu: spiderpaz: To be fair, in California you can make $36k/ year just answering phones.

Really?  Where?

In CALIFORNIA.

/dumass

Ok, no really. California is a big farking state. Tell me where I can double my hourly wage doing anything but stripping with no extra education needed and I'll be there in a heartbeat.


just play PowerBall.  you'll win eventually
 
2013-03-06 07:31:04 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: Simple. Send the landlord a certified letter (costs about six bucks) stating that all future rent monies will be held in an escrow account until such time that all required repairs are satisfactorily completed. Then make sure to actually deposit every cent of the rent into that escrow account, on or before the date it's due. This shows the court that you, as a tenant, upheld your end of the rental agreement, and that you gave the landlord an opportunity to make good also.


Maybe that works where you are (Vegas, apparently).  California law is different.
 
2013-03-06 07:31:53 PM  

xcv: NO DOUBT. People say they want to live in California, and then they spend all their money trying to get what we have for free in small-town Wisconsin.
- I have an IT job with a good wage and full health coverage. My commute is five minutes, with a WalMart in between.
- My kids have no problems with schools. If I have an issue, I walk over to the Principal's house and say 'hi.'
- Our crime consists of angry neighbors fighting over fences, and drunks. Mostly drunks.
- I don't get litterbugs or vagrants in my yard, but on rare occasions, deer.
- No 'gated neighborhoods' or 'homeowners' associations'. My neighbors are two churches, a county sheriff, and a retired doctor. When a pet runs free in our neighborhood we recognize it and call the owner to tell them which way it ran.
- Guns aren't ...

How is it if you're not-white?


Depends on ethnicity and part of the state. If you're in one of the larger cities you my get the occasional raised eyebrow, but if you aren't an example of the negative stereotype of whatever ethnicity you are that's all you'd get. Smaller towns may earn you some dirty looks though. Depending on the area, if you're Asian, you'll be mistaken for Hmong even if you aren't.
 
2013-03-06 07:33:17 PM  
2 tiny bedrooms and 1 bath house for $325 a month. off street parking and a veggie garden and pecan trees in the backyard. landlord fixes things immediately. $20-25 monthly electric bill in the summer and $45-55 in the winter.
its not how much you make but how little you spend imho.
 
2013-03-06 07:34:15 PM  

starlost: 2 tiny bedrooms and 1 bath house for $325 a month. off street parking and a veggie garden and pecan trees in the backyard. landlord fixes things immediately. $20-25 monthly electric bill in the summer and $45-55 in the winter.
its not how much you make but how little you spend imho.


you live in a bath house?  that's gay
 
2013-03-06 07:36:13 PM  

SirEattonHogg: cloud_van_dame :  kiwimoogle84: /SF and Tahoe an hour away because you DO NOT WANT TO STAY IN SACRAMENTO

I don't mind it here. It's gorgeous, downtown is awesome, lots of trees, and it's home. And FAR less expensive than LA.

Downtown Sacramento is gorgeous and you can rent a beautiful Victorian for not much money. However, the crime rate is at near-Compton levels, at least it was in the 1980s. Has it improved?


Not when I was there in the late 90's.  Lived right next to Land Park.  Got to hear the sheriff ghetto bird doing runs over lovely Oak Park and noise of gunfire.   For a city the size of Sacramento, the crime news in the Sacramento Bee was pretty horrific.

To be fair, that was over a decade ago.  Maybe things are better?


Certain areas of downtown are pits. Specifically near the street named for a pacifist black man- always tons of crime there. However, there's the fab 40's and Tahoe Park. Gorgeous neighborhoods with high home value.

Also, I've never lived downtown. Always about 15 mins east in fair oaks/Carmichael, if anyone knows where that is.

And to whomever said that its 4 hours to Tahoe and SF? I've got news for you. It's 55 minutes from my mom's house, which is 20 mins from mine. And SF? I can get there in 70 minutes on a Saturday morning. If you hit any major freeway between 1pm and 8pm in sac, yes, you're going to have issues.

/I know where to get good lox not in a package
//and where there is a Jewish deli
 
2013-03-06 07:36:17 PM  

MaliFinn: NO DOUBT.  People say they want to live in California, and then they spend all their money trying to get what we have for free in small-town Wisconsin.


But its still fark'n Wisconsin.  After 35 years living in MN I recently moved to San Diego.  I get paid more, the job is not in boring financial, manufacturing, retail, or a health insurance industries, there is much more to do, and there are actual brown people here.

Oh did I mention the fark'n weather.

/fark Wisconsin
//and Minnesotan winters
 
2013-03-06 07:37:04 PM  

Dingleberry Dickwad: zabadu: Dingleberry Dickwad: Ok, so here's what I don't get. From what I understand jobs don't really pay more in places like California, Seattle or New York, so why the fark is the cost of living so much higher, and why are houses so much more expensive? I've been told once that my simple little 2 bedroom house with a moderate sized back yard would sell for twice as much as it does around here in bumfark Wisconsin. What gives?

The weather.

Ok, but I don't have to worry about earthquakes in buttfark Wisconsin. And the weather in New York isn't much different than Wisconsin, and it's less crowded and has less pollution. So again I ask what gives?



There aren't that many 6-figure jobs for physicists and mathematicians in bumfark Missouri, for one...
 
2013-03-06 07:37:32 PM  
"the sinks are often clogged "

But sometimes not? Then stop pouring grease down the drain.
 
2013-03-06 07:39:19 PM  
They should move to Detroit. Being in the USA illegally would make them better off than most of my neighbors.

And you can BUY a house for $100. "Fixer-upper" comes to mind: http://www.businessinsider.com/cheap-detroit-homes-2011-6?op=1

Yeah. No.
 
2013-03-06 07:39:33 PM  
MaliFinn:
- I have an IT job with a good wage and full health coverage.  My commute is five minutes, with a WalMart in between.
- My kids have no problems with schools.  If I have an issue, I walk over to the Principal's house and say 'hi.'
- Our crime consists of angry neighbors fighting over fences, and drunks.  Mostly drunks.
- I don't get litterbugs or vagrants in my yard, but on rare occasions, deer.
- No 'gated neighborhoods' or 'homeowners' associations'. My neighbors are two churches, a county sheriff, and a retired doctor.  When a pet runs free in our neighborhood we recognize it and call the owner to tell them which way it ran.
- Guns aren't an issue here.  Lots of people have them, and lots of people have venison at Christmas.
- I fill up my gas tank about once every three weeks.  If I wanted to I could bicycle everywhere I needed to go, always.
- There is no smog, but there is occasionally the smell of a summer BBQ.  Otherwise it just smells like pine trees.
- There are no pet restrictions, but you can't really own cattle in town.  I think.  Horses are ok though, the Amish often ride them around town.
- We have a library, a swim park, a fitness center, a walking trail, snowmobile trails, a hockey rink, a golf course, tennis courts, and many other amenities that are well-maintained and there's never a crowd or a waiting list for any of them.  The swim park costs $3 though.
- When you first move to town it feels like everyone is watching you and is in your business - but it only feels that way.  They really don't care, they just want to say 'hi'.
- Houses can be had for as little as $50k.  Really expensive ones are $250k.
- There's plenty of work, especially if you have a degree, but still plenty even if you don't, as long as you work hard.
- Beer, cheese, sausage, and wild rice.


That's a nice list. However... If you love the ocean, Wisconsin doesn't cut it.
There are ways to live in Los Angeles cheaply and have a great time doing it. I'm sad to say that most people who live in Los Angeles have their hearts so set on living the "LA Lifestyle" they won't consider alternatives.

Los Angeles is a city of mostly lower class people trying to pretend they're upper class. It's a rare duck indeed to find rational people in this town who hold down high-paying jobs but don't look it.
 
2013-03-06 07:40:49 PM  

Marine1: Every time I've walked out into the cold here in Columbia, MO., I've thought, "Sheesh, it'd be nice to live somewhere warm during the winter. Or all year long."

Then I remember what cost-of-living expenses are like on the coasts and say, "MISSOURI IS GREAT!".


Agreed. We moved from California to Missouri a little over a year ago. It was a great decision. We own our home outright while our Californian relatives struggle to pay for their $500,000 shacks.
 
2013-03-06 07:41:25 PM  

Dingleberry Dickwad: Ok, so here's what I don't get. From what I understand jobs don't really pay more in places like California, Seattle or New York, so why the fark is the cost of living so much higher, and why are houses so much more expensive? I've been told once that my simple little 2 bedroom house with a moderate sized back yard would sell for twice as much as it does around here in bumfark Wisconsin. What gives?


1.  There is plenty of labor available in California.
2.  People would rather live in California than Wisconsin, especially  the bumfark part.
 
2013-03-06 07:41:42 PM  

Negligible: skullkrusher: Mikey1969: 

If it's location, location, location, why the hell is LA property so expensive?
Worst... city... ever.
Actually I reserve that eternally for Phoenix but LA isn't far behind.


Not all neighborhoods in Los Angeles are created equal.   The parts of Santa Monica and Venice close to the beach, all of Brentwood, Bel Air, and Beverly Hills, most of Pasadena, etc., are WONDERFUL places to live, but they're quite expensive.   However, the areas around USC, Compton, Inglewood, etc., aren't so nice.  If you've only seen those shiatty parts of LA, then, yeah, you're going to think L.A. is a hell hole.
 
2013-03-06 07:45:58 PM  

Dingleberry Dickwad: Ok, so here's what I don't get. From what I understand jobs don't really pay more in places like California, Seattle or New York, so why the fark is the cost of living so much higher, and why are houses so much more expensive? I've been told once that my simple little 2 bedroom house with a moderate sized back yard would sell for twice as much as it does around here in bumfark Wisconsin. What gives?


I'm wearing a short-sleeved dress shirt to work today, and I'm a professional engineer. I wore a similar shirts through most of February. There is no month of the year in So.Cal where the weather is so cold that you give up your summer clothes. That's probably the main reason people don't leave Southern California.
 
2013-03-06 07:46:35 PM  

Bigdogdaddy: Anyone ever think maybe it wasn't trashed and a rat infested place until they move in and let things get filthy?

Just asking questions.


I'm thinking it wasn't a problem until they were asked to move.
 
2013-03-06 07:48:14 PM  

megarian: They should move to Detroit. Being in the USA illegally would make them better off than most of my neighbors.

And you can BUY a house for $100. "Fixer-upper" comes to mind: http://www.businessinsider.com/cheap-detroit-homes-2011-6?op=1

Yeah. No.


so for only $1500 i could buy all of them, and be the next John McCain?
 
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