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2013-03-06 06:44:30 PM

Arumat: Fluorescent Testicle: scottydoesntknow: Yep, that's why I refuse to buy it. The only thing that should be "online" about that game is server storage for your maps. And it should be optional (i.e. you can store your cities locally on your hard drive AND/OR upload a copy for protection/sharing if you choose).

If it was like Skyrim or other Steam games, with automatic online backups and updates but with the option to play offline and no "Log in to the server" ridiculousness, that would be fine - but yeah, this is pants-on-head retarded. I was going to buy this, but I'll be spending my money on a used copy of SimCity 2000 instead, I think.

Why bother trying to track one down?

http://www.gog.com/gamecard/simcity_2000_special_edition

The only issue I have with them is I have to call the bank to authorize the transaction since they're based in a foreign country.


Answers the question I came into this thread to ask.  Is this a steam-like service, or does it let you download a fully functional game with no DRM?
 
2013-03-06 06:45:55 PM

Do the needful: Which leads to my question, who cares? There are already more games out there than one could play in a lifetime, or a hundred lifetimes.


Developers who aren't dead do.
 
2013-03-06 06:54:45 PM

Smelly McUgly: skozlaw: I still have SC 2000 that I bought off GoG.com for 5 bucks. It's fun, it works right, it works now, and it will work forever because it doesn't include "features" that realistically only exist as a mechanism for preventing me from playing what I paid for either by error or intent.

I love GoG. I just picked up Alpha Centauri complete with the Alien Crossfire add-on for five bucks total. No DRM, downloaded straight to my computer. 

I need to go back and play some of those mid-'90s, late-'90s, and early '00s PC games that I did not play because I had a dinky computer and was heavily a console gamer. I should really look around GoG.


Careful, the next thing you know you've got a game library with more games than you'll ever have time to play. And you'll keep checking back every day to see what's on sale and what they've added next. I also got Alpha Centauri from GOG, right after Quest for Glory, and I'm pretty sure System Shock 2 will soon be mine. And maybe Icewind Dale. Gog is one addictive website, though it has nothing on Steam. (those Steam sales are murder on your free time, but pretty merciful on your bank account.)

So yeah, this once more confirms why the only places I shop for games online are GOG, Steam, and HumbleBundle. You can keep your always on DRM.
 
2013-03-06 06:55:00 PM
miniflea:Answers the question I came into this thread to ask.  Is this a steam-like service, or does it let you download a fully functional game with no DRM?

No DRM that I'm aware of.  You buy it, you download it, you install it, you play it.
 
2013-03-06 06:55:56 PM

soporific: Smelly McUgly: skozlaw: I still have SC 2000 that I bought off GoG.com for 5 bucks. It's fun, it works right, it works now, and it will work forever because it doesn't include "features" that realistically only exist as a mechanism for preventing me from playing what I paid for either by error or intent.

I love GoG. I just picked up Alpha Centauri complete with the Alien Crossfire add-on for five bucks total. No DRM, downloaded straight to my computer. 

I need to go back and play some of those mid-'90s, late-'90s, and early '00s PC games that I did not play because I had a dinky computer and was heavily a console gamer. I should really look around GoG.

Careful, the next thing you know you've got a game library with more games than you'll ever have time to play. And you'll keep checking back every day to see what's on sale and what they've added next. I also got Alpha Centauri from GOG, right after Quest for Glory, and I'm pretty sure System Shock 2 will soon be mine. And maybe Icewind Dale. Gog is one addictive website, though it has nothing on Steam. (those Steam sales are murder on your free time, but pretty merciful on your bank account.)

So yeah, this once more confirms why the only places I shop for games online are GOG, Steam, and HumbleBundle. You can keep your always on DRM.



BG1 + BG2 + TuTu mod (run BG1 on BG2 engine) = a great retro buy.
 
2013-03-06 06:56:51 PM

Arumat: miniflea:Answers the question I came into this thread to ask.  Is this a steam-like service, or does it let you download a fully functional game with no DRM?

No DRM that I'm aware of.  You buy it, you download it, you install it, you play it.


It's much less intrusive than Steam, and while you get the option to use a downloader/installer, you are free to get the game on your own terms.
 
2013-03-06 06:57:40 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-06 06:57:57 PM

miniflea: Is this a steam-like service, or does it let you download a fully functional game with no DRM?


There is absolutely NO DRM on any game sold by GoG.  You download the games, install them, and that's it.  Additionally, some games come with neat extras like soundtracks, .pdf manuals, etc.
 
2013-03-06 06:59:31 PM
From that Bioshock DRM BS:

img.photobucket.com

bbsimg.ngfiles.com
pcbx.us
 
2013-03-06 07:04:53 PM

blue_2501: From that Bioshock DRM BS:

[img.photobucket.com image 500x519]

[bbsimg.ngfiles.com image 498x469]
[pcbx.us image 600x597]


Probably the only DRM'd stuff I'm actually okay with is my ebooks, and that's only because it's so trivial to crack. Everything I've bought has been stripped of DRM and archived on my file server.
 
2013-03-06 07:05:15 PM

Earthen: BumpInTheNight: ThatGuyGreg: Lsherm: It's not "cloud computing" - it's DRM.  SimCity should work just fine as a standalone single player game.

It's not a single player game anymore.

Its clearly no longer part of the SimCity series either, but here we are.

Its not SimCity 5, its SimCity.  Its the gritty reboot where they don't use a number but the same title of the original.  The rules have changed.

The problem with doing that is that there was a lot of people out there who wanted SimCity 5, and that's not exactly what has been delivered here.  What has been delivered might end up being a good game, or maybe not.  But it probably needs 6+ months of maturation before it will really work right.


Which one is the sequel set in the hood, and which one is set in space?
 
2013-03-06 07:10:32 PM

ThatGuyGreg: Lsherm: It's not "cloud computing" - it's DRM.  SimCity should work just fine as a standalone single player game.

It's not a single player game anymore.


It should have the option.

I'm not buying a game I can't play offline ever.
 
2013-03-06 07:13:16 PM

TheOriginalEd: Do the needful:
Which leads to my question, who cares? There are already more games out there than one could play in a lifetime, or a hundred lifetimes. Hell I was poking around in a couple of boxes the other day and found my usb Wingman controllers, and then decided that I would fire up my Atari 800 emulator. My wife and I were playing a game of Ali Baba and the Forty Thieves for a couple of hours. She had never played the game and was having a great time once we got it rolling. I have boxes full of games just for that system alone. They could stop making games right this second and I still have enough games laying around the house to keep me from ever leaving the house again until I am dead.

Yes, by all means, enough books have been written, enough movies have been made, enough television series have run their course . Why strive for anything better or different ever again when we and all further generations can sit back and bludgeon ourselves with nostalgia. Idiot.


A game that doesn't work isn't better.
 
2013-03-06 07:15:53 PM

blue_2501: From that Bioshock DRM BS:

[img.photobucket.com image 500x519]

[bbsimg.ngfiles.com image 498x469]
[pcbx.us image 600x597]


At least you got Bioshock working. My copy's DRM clashed with my farging mouse drivers and I never actually got to play it because after the third call to support trying to get a fix I got frustrated, told the rep to go fark himself and threw it in the garbage. I paid $49.99 for it and I've never actually played it.
 
2013-03-06 07:18:24 PM

Hoboclown: NeoCortex42: And a Sim game where I can't rain down disasters and reload an old save?  No, thanks.

Wait, really? Isn't that the whole point of the game??


Seriously.

And they added a "zombies" disaster, which I approve of, but I was really hoping for a bunch of fun new disasters, or if you really want to get crazy a handful of megadisasters (who wouldn't want to inflict a supervolcano or aChicxulub-sized meteor on their city??).

And it'd be awesome if they made a few updated scenarios reflecting modern times. Think of saving a post-Katrina New Orleans, New York City after 9/11, Fukushima after the earthquake/meltdown, Banda Aceh after the Indian Ocean tsunami, or Talca after the Chilean earthquake. The possibilities go on.
 
2013-03-06 07:18:41 PM
 
2013-03-06 07:25:13 PM
Guess I'll just go back to trying to build a Megalopolis on all 2000 maps.
 
2013-03-06 07:31:31 PM
Does it have any of those old school SimCity touches, like any mention of Reticulating Splines and naming teams after large birds?

/Simcity is one of the few PC games I miss playing.
 
2013-03-06 07:35:28 PM
Sigh.

First SimCity core game (not counting the Sims line) that i will be skipping since I had the first game on my Macintosh LCIII.
 
2013-03-06 07:39:42 PM

skozlaw: blue_2501: From that Bioshock DRM BS:

[img.photobucket.com image 500x519]

[bbsimg.ngfiles.com image 498x469]
[pcbx.us image 600x597]

At least you got Bioshock working. My copy's DRM clashed with my farging mouse drivers and I never actually got to play it because after the third call to support trying to get a fix I got frustrated, told the rep to go fark himself and threw it in the garbage. I paid $49.99 for it and I've never actually played it.


I had crashing problems.  So, I returned the game and got the XBox 360 version.  After my $60 mistake of buying Fallout 3 from Steam, I ended up buying another 360 version.

Both are great games, mind you, but these kind of issues are the reason I'm not big on PC gaming for larger games.
 
2013-03-06 07:44:48 PM

TheOriginalEd: Do the needful:
Which leads to my question, who cares? There are already more games out there than one could play in a lifetime, or a hundred lifetimes. Hell I was poking around in a couple of boxes the other day and found my usb Wingman controllers, and then decided that I would fire up my Atari 800 emulator. My wife and I were playing a game of Ali Baba and the Forty Thieves for a couple of hours. She had never played the game and was having a great time once we got it rolling. I have boxes full of games just for that system alone. They could stop making games right this second and I still have enough games laying around the house to keep me from ever leaving the house again until I am dead.

Yes, by all means, enough books have been written, enough movies have been made, enough television series have run their course . Why strive for anything better or different ever again when we and all further generations can sit back and bludgeon ourselves with nostalgia. Idiot.


Wow. Who the fark shiat in your cornflakes? I have been on here long enough to not really give a crap what other people say but you might want to have your meds adjusted.
 
2013-03-06 07:44:58 PM
And that is why I don't buy always-online games.
 
2013-03-06 07:46:42 PM

J. Frank Parnell: js34603: Will there ever be single player games again? Or will the industry's hard on for piracy...er secondary markets...er security, its security right?...mean the age of the single player game is over?

Thankfully, what's currently happening is an indie game revolution, as the big game developers lose their way.


What he said
 
2013-03-06 08:00:05 PM

highendmighty: If it's anything like Crush, Crumble, and Chomp - I'm IN!


This is EA, so your wish is granted. First they will CRUSH your ego, then your will will CRUMBLE, then they take a big CHOMP out of your account as you get the dlc that should have been included in the base game to make it a full game worth having.
 
2013-03-06 08:14:57 PM

Virtual Pariah: Will the old ones work on a win 8 pc?

or android or ios?


Yes, yes, and maybe (don't really play with iOS enough to say for certain, entirely possible if someone ports an emulator for jailbroken iDevices, though).

Android has a native version, and both it and Win8 have ports of DosBox that should work for the older games in the series; it's also likely that if you bought SimCity 2000 from GoG that it would work fine under Win8.

(The main thing would be if it worked as a Metro app, but then again, I also consider Metro an abortion of an interface for desktops--and just in case people think I'm only slagging Windows, I think the exact same thing re Unity for Ubuntu, and generally feel that Desktop Interfaces and Tablet Interfaces should not be merged as there are entirely different usability considerations between the platforms to the point that trying to create "universal desktops" tends to end in tears and gnashing of teeth on one end or the other.)
 
2013-03-06 08:17:18 PM

Arumat: Fluorescent Testicle: scottydoesntknow: Yep, that's why I refuse to buy it. The only thing that should be "online" about that game is server storage for your maps. And it should be optional (i.e. you can store your cities locally on your hard drive AND/OR upload a copy for protection/sharing if you choose).

If it was like Skyrim or other Steam games, with automatic online backups and updates but with the option to play offline and no "Log in to the server" ridiculousness, that would be fine - but yeah, this is pants-on-head retarded. I was going to buy this, but I'll be spending my money on a used copy of SimCity 2000 instead, I think.

Why bother trying to track one down?

http://www.gog.com/gamecard/simcity_2000_special_edition

The only issue I have with them is I have to call the bank to authorize the transaction since they're based in a foreign country.


Funnel the transaction through PayPal.  AMEX refused a payment once to GOG because I had just made one less than five minutes prior (bought one batch of games, then realized I forgot a few).  It really was a simple phone call to AMEX, and their CS is always top-notch (and I prefer they keep their anti-fraud practices), but in order to avoid future hassles, I just started paying through PP.

I know they lose a cut of the sale, but like you I really don't fancy calling up the bank any time I get spend-thrifty.
 
2013-03-06 08:18:03 PM

BafflerMeal: BG1 + BG2 + TuTu mod (run BG1 on BG2 engine) = a great retro buy.


They're actually selling that on Steam now.  Everything comes already set up, and they tossed in a new character or two and (I think) a new dungeon.

scottydoesntknow: Lsherm: It's not "cloud computing" - it's DRM.  SimCity should work just fine as a standalone single player game.

Yep, that's why I refuse to buy it. The only thing that should be "online" about that game is server storage for your maps. And it should be optional (i.e. you can store your cities locally on your hard drive AND/OR upload a copy for protection/sharing if you choose).



I had the exact same experience with Heroes of Might and Magic 6.  I've bought and played the ever-loving hell out of 1 - 5, but 6 came with Ubisoft's always on DRM - and they couldn't keep their servers up.  What the farking point is online-only storage of saves on what is ONLY a single-player game?  That's when I started checking any new games for a Ubisoft logo - they'll never see another red cent out of me.

Their DRM might have stopped people from pirating HOMM 6, but it also stopped people from evey buying HOMM 7.
 
2013-03-06 08:27:56 PM
I'm staring at the "SimCity servers are down. Attempting to reconnect" message right now, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies...

I still haven't played it at all yet. No access. I do like how the game servers are down, but the servers that host the "Digital Deluxe Edition" $20 upgrade are working just fine...
 
2013-03-06 08:38:05 PM

cr7pilot: I do like how the game servers are down, but the servers that host the "Digital Deluxe Edition" $20 upgrade are working just fine...


What? Really?

I thought the same servers were open for everyone. Are you sure the DDE has its own servers? That's the first i'm hearing this.
 
2013-03-06 08:39:02 PM
The name says "SimCity", but the game ain't "SimCity" in all the ways that count.

She's gone, man, and she ain't coming back.  Let her go.
 
2013-03-06 08:41:41 PM

Gilligann: cr7pilot: I do like how the game servers are down, but the servers that host the "Digital Deluxe Edition" $20 upgrade are working just fine...

What? Really?

I thought the same servers were open for everyone. Are you sure the DDE has its own servers? That's the first i'm hearing this.


Sorry, poor wording on my part. What I meant was you can access the Origin store to spend as much money on EA stuff as you want, but you can't actually play the game.
 
2013-03-06 08:44:09 PM

ThatGuyGreg: Lsherm: It's not "cloud computing" - it's DRM.  SimCity should work just fine as a standalone single player game.

It's not a single player game anymore.


It clearly is a single player game. They threw in some minor optional multiplayer components, but it's still possible to play completely solo. The only reason this line "it's not a single player game" is being spread is because EA is making that bald assertion. Most of the components of this game are single player. Other players don't get to roam around your city building shiat. They're not going to declare war on your city and invade.
 
2013-03-06 08:46:29 PM
bet the jews did this
 
2013-03-06 08:48:30 PM
Sim Cityville
 
2013-03-06 08:49:09 PM

jack21221: It clearly is a single player game. They threw in some minor optional multiplayer components, but it's still possible to play completely solo. The only reason this line "it's not a single player game" is being spread is because EA is making that bald assertion. Most of the components of this game are single player. Other players don't get to roam around your city building shiat. They're not going to declare war on your city and invade.


What's your EA authorized script got for this?:  Why does a "single player" game require an online connection in order to even play it let along try the optional mutlplayer component?

Fail.
 
2013-03-06 08:51:03 PM
YOU WILL REGRET THIS
 
2013-03-06 08:51:12 PM
For all the biatching people do about console gaming, this is one of the primary reasons it won't be going anyway anytime soon.  Seriously, even if Moore's Law makes it so I don't have to upgrade my PC anymore to play games, consoles will still be standardized and generally include less hassle to use (provided that used game lockout bs never happens, but that wouldn't be a plus to PC games anyway with the current DRM trends).
 
2013-03-06 08:53:02 PM

BumpInTheNight: What's your EA authorized script got for this?:  Why does a "single player" game require an online connection in order to even play it let along try the optional mutlplayer component?

Fail.


What the fark? Did you actually read my post?
 
2013-03-06 08:58:08 PM
I don't buy games published by EA anymore. Don't care what it is, there are plenty of other games out there to play. They are fark tards that have draconian DRM systems, ruin good game development companies and keep trying to shovel unwanted "social networking" shiat down your throat at every chance they get.

Hey guys, here's an idea - give good game companies money to make games, spend money on marketing, and STAY THE fark AWAY from everything else because frankly, you suck at it. Suck at it very hard. In fact, the only thing that EA is good at is identifying good game developers that they want to ruin.

Please stop "helping".
 
2013-03-06 09:02:46 PM

jack21221: BumpInTheNight: What's your EA authorized script got for this?:  Why does a "single player" game require an online connection in order to even play it let along try the optional mutlplayer component?

Fail.

What the fark? Did you actually read my post?


Just growing the echo chamber of "Single player should mean it doesn't need to be constantly connected to the internet".  Sorry if you are being caught in the wake.
 
2013-03-06 09:04:01 PM

Karac: BafflerMeal: BG1 + BG2 + TuTu mod (run BG1 on BG2 engine) = a great retro buy.

They're actually selling that on Steam now.  Everything comes already set up, and they tossed in a new character or two and (I think) a new dungeon.



Actually it's a little more different than that. There's a few write ups here and there that explain it. The TuTu mod and a few other things not only port it to the new engine, but also fix a slew of bugs that have been there since forever. Plus if you buy them from GOG, one doesn't need steam and they give you a slew of extra stuff. Manuals, shortcut cards, development art, soundtracks, wallpapers, forum avatars, etc... Here's a discussion of the pros and cons:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/75251-baldurs-gate/64923323
 
2013-03-06 09:04:53 PM

jack21221: ThatGuyGreg: Lsherm: It's not "cloud computing" - it's DRM.  SimCity should work just fine as a standalone single player game.

It's not a single player game anymore.

It clearly is a single player game. They threw in some minor optional multiplayer components, but it's still possible to play completely solo. The only reason this line "it's not a single player game" is being spread is because EA is making that bald assertion. Most of the components of this game are single player. Other players don't get to roam around your city building shiat. They're not going to declare war on your city and invade.


Why would anyone want to play this particular type of game with other people? Some games are just better as solitary experiences - and BTW - solitary experiences are getting way too rare these days. Every damn thing in life doesn't have to be "social".
 
2013-03-06 09:06:39 PM

BumpInTheNight: jack21221: BumpInTheNight: What's your EA authorized script got for this?:  Why does a "single player" game require an online connection in order to even play it let along try the optional mutlplayer component?

Fail.

What the fark? Did you actually read my post?

Just growing the echo chamber of "Single player should mean it doesn't need to be constantly connected to the internet".  Sorry if you are being caught in the wake.


Christ, what an asshole.
 
2013-03-06 09:11:20 PM
Build a great city, with moderate taxes, high property values, lots of services, low crime/pollution/unemployment.

Then demolish all the fire departments and burn the f***er to the ground.
 
2013-03-06 09:11:21 PM

BumpInTheNight: jack21221: BumpInTheNight: What's your EA authorized script got for this?:  Why does a "single player" game require an online connection in order to even play it let along try the optional mutlplayer component?

Fail.

What the fark? Did you actually read my post?

Just growing the echo chamber of "Single player should mean it doesn't need to be constantly connected to the internet".  Sorry if you are being caught in the wake.


Caught in the wake? You accused me specifically of having EA talking points. The person I was responding to claimed that this is a multiplayer game in order to justify the internet requirement. I responded that despite what EA says, it is not a multiplayer game (the implication of which is that it should not require online play).

Your response to me makes no sense in this context. It makes the opposite of sense, whatever that is. It makes madness.
 
2013-03-06 09:12:30 PM
This reminds me of my experience buy The Muppets on Blu-Ray.  I bought the package with the digital copy included and after six hours of fighting the DRM to play the damn thing on my Video player, I just downloaded it illegally.  Next time I want a Disney film perhaps I'll just skip the part where I give them money.

DRM should never interfere with the paying customer.
 
2013-03-06 09:12:56 PM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Build a great city, with moderate taxes, high property values, lots of services, low crime/pollution/unemployment.

Then demolish all the fire departments and burn the f***er to the ground.


Republican, eh?
 
Al!
2013-03-06 09:14:41 PM

Fluorescent Testicle: scottydoesntknow: Yep, that's why I refuse to buy it. The only thing that should be "online" about that game is server storage for your maps. And it should be optional (i.e. you can store your cities locally on your hard drive AND/OR upload a copy for protection/sharing if you choose).

If it was like Skyrim or other Steam games, with automatic online backups and updates but with the option to play offline and no "Log in to the server" ridiculousness, that would be fine - but yeah, this is pants-on-head retarded. I was going to buy this, but I'll be spending my money on a used copy of SimCity 2000 instead, I think.


Except I can't play Skyrim because I don't have the internet atm, meaning I can't log into Steam.  Single player games should be able to be played without an internet connection.  I started a new guy on Oblivion before I got bored and loaded up Neverwinter Nights 2.  I have a large box filled with one player games that I can still play and a small pile of one player games that I can't play because they want me on the internet so they can make sure I'm not a thief.
 
2013-03-06 09:15:54 PM
I like this new SimCity so far except for the online only aspect. It's BS that in the middle of playing today, I got a server maintenance message followed by getting booted from the game. But everything else is fine to me, only because I like what they're going for this time around (the whole idea of every action in a region having consequences for the entire region).
 
2013-03-06 09:18:33 PM

BumpInTheNight: jack21221: BumpInTheNight: What's your EA authorized script got for this?:  Why does a "single player" game require an online connection in order to even play it let along try the optional mutlplayer component?

Fail.

What the fark? Did you actually read my post?

Just growing the echo chamber of "Single player should mean it doesn't need to be constantly connected to the internet".  Sorry if you are being caught in the wake.


I still get the feeling you didn't read the post you responded to in the first place.
 
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