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(Washington Post)   History Channel claimed that 18 million people watched the premiere of "Vikings." How awesome is that? According to Nielsen, about one third as awesome as you would expect   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 77
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2013-03-06 11:21:44 AM
Do Nielsen ratings take into account those who record it on the DVR and watch later?  If not they're missing a huge chunk of the viewership.  I know I haven't watched anything live in close to ten years (other than sporting events, but even then I'll record it and start watching half an hour in so that I can skip through commercials and poor commentary).
 
2013-03-06 11:25:55 AM

TuteTibiImperes: Do Nielsen ratings take into account those who record it on the DVR and watch later?  If not they're missing a huge chunk of the viewership.  I know I haven't watched anything live in close to ten years (other than sporting events, but even then I'll record it and start watching half an hour in so that I can skip through commercials and poor commentary).


The overnight ratings they tout do not, but the numbers broadcasters sell to advertisers are usually C3 -- live plus the next three days on DVR. In the next year or so, that's expected to change to C7 -- live plus the next week on DVR.
 
2013-03-06 11:29:45 AM

TuteTibiImperes: Do Nielsen ratings take into account those who record it on the DVR and watch later?  If not they're missing a huge chunk of the viewership.  I know I haven't watched anything live in close to ten years (other than sporting events, but even then I'll record it and start watching half an hour in so that I can skip through commercials and poor commentary).


I think they recently said they'd change their methods to include other things, like internet viewers. So probably not.
 
2013-03-06 11:39:57 AM

Slaxl: TuteTibiImperes: Do Nielsen ratings take into account those who record it on the DVR and watch later?  If not they're missing a huge chunk of the viewership.  I know I haven't watched anything live in close to ten years (other than sporting events, but even then I'll record it and start watching half an hour in so that I can skip through commercials and poor commentary).

I think they recently said they'd change their methods to include other things, like internet viewers. So probably not.


Hmm, I'd think that viewership for certain types of shows would have a higher concentration of DVR/iTunes/Streaming than just watching live.  A lot of sci-fi and well developed programs that challenge the viewer to think probably have more fans in the ranks of the technologically literate who are either starting to cut cords and do everything online or who have been early adopters on Tivo/DVRs/HTPCs.  Contrast that with mass market drivel like most reality shows and dick-joke sitcoms (not to sound elitist, these do have their place, and I even watched Two and a Half Men until Charlie Sheen left) that likely have a greater portion of viewers who still watch TV live, and I wonder if the Nielsen ratings are misreporting what people actually watch, and if this is having an effect on the number of dumbass television shows that keep popping up.
 
2013-03-06 11:50:40 AM

TuteTibiImperes: Hmm, I'd think that viewership for certain types of shows would have a higher concentration of DVR/iTunes/Streaming than just watching live.


They tend to be extreme exceptions. Nearly 9 out of 10 TV viewers still watch live.
 
2013-03-06 12:03:36 PM

FishyFred: TuteTibiImperes: Hmm, I'd think that viewership for certain types of shows would have a higher concentration of DVR/iTunes/Streaming than just watching live.

They tend to be extreme exceptions. Nearly 9 out of 10 TV viewers still watch live.


Hmm, I wonder how they got those numbers.  I still have 14 episodes each of Leverage and Alphas recorded on my DVR dating back to last July that I fully intend on watching at some point, and last night I was watching an episode of Covert Affairs I recorded back last fall, for the first time.

Why would DVR makers need to include such huge hard drives to record hundreds of hours of HD programming if 99% of people were just deleting stuff after it was over a week old?
 
2013-03-06 01:07:48 PM
I loved it, but it wasn't as gratuitous as one would want in Viking show.
 
2013-03-06 02:13:57 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: I loved it, but it wasn't as gratuitous as one would want in Viking show.


QFT
 
2013-03-06 02:29:29 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: I loved it, but it wasn't as gratuitous as one would want in Viking show.


at least it wasn't a show about space aliens building the pyramids or atlantean conspiracy theories.
 
2013-03-06 02:46:44 PM

TuteTibiImperes: FishyFred: TuteTibiImperes: Hmm, I'd think that viewership for certain types of shows would have a higher concentration of DVR/iTunes/Streaming than just watching live.

They tend to be extreme exceptions. Nearly 9 out of 10 TV viewers still watch live.

Hmm, I wonder how they got those numbers.  I still have 14 episodes each of Leverage and Alphas recorded on my DVR dating back to last July that I fully intend on watching at some point, and last night I was watching an episode of Covert Affairs I recorded back last fall, for the first time.

Why would DVR makers need to include such huge hard drives to record hundreds of hours of HD programming if 99% of people were just deleting stuff after it was over a week old?



I know I've stopped recording shows entirely (and deleted existing episodes off my DVR) if there's too much of a backlog and it becomes obvious I'm just not that interested in watching them. I don't really want to spend time with a television show that I have to force myself to start watching. Movies on the other hand are an entirely different story. During the last snowstorm I had myself a pretty good marathon of films that I'd recorded because they looked interesting over the course of the past six months but had never gotten around to watching.
 
2013-03-06 02:57:29 PM

Weaver95: Because People in power are Stupid: I loved it, but it wasn't as gratuitous as one would want in Viking show.

at least it wasn't a show about space aliens building the pyramids or atlantean conspiracy theories.


All I'm asking for is for blood to righteously spurt forth from a dismembering. You can't compare that to space aliens... although a little gratuitous violence in Altantean Space Alien shows would make them worth watching.
 
2013-03-06 03:20:35 PM
After 2 episodes, it seems pretty good.
I can't help but wonder what they smelled like though.
 
2013-03-06 03:52:44 PM

Weaver95: at least it wasn't a show about space aliens building the pyramids or atlantean conspiracy theories.


QFT.  Pretty sure by now they know how much that shiat is hated and just use it as time filter; at least, I  hope they know that.
 
2013-03-06 03:54:51 PM
Tommyymmo T

After 2 episodes, it seems pretty good.
I can't help but wonder what they smelled like though.


Rank. Foul. Putrid. Remember, they crossed thousands of miles of seas in open boats with no privacy, no toilets and soap wasn't around in any form. The most they did was rinse off in a stream with maybe a handful of bark or grass to scrub.

Animal fats were used to grease and waterproof leather as well as keep iron swords from rusting.

Their Great Halls during a tribal meeting-fest-brawl-drunken bash were pretty cool in appearance, but reeked with BO, crudely cooked foods, wood smoke and often, sweat. Plus they tended to invite their large hunting dogs in.

But, they wouldn't have noticed, having grown up in that environment. They'd probably be suspicious of anyone who didn't reek.

Didn't watch the show. Over several decades I've had enough 'primitive, brawling, fighting, manly' cultures forced on me through various media until it's become tiresome.

I'm real sick of hearing about the Romans and Ancient Egyptians.
 
2013-03-06 04:00:29 PM
I recently watched Viking Apocalypse.  I haven't been that disapointed in the Vikings since the Fran Tarkenton days.
 
2013-03-06 04:14:33 PM
History channel used to be one of the only channels I would watch. Because, well they had rather interesting documentaries based on history. I haven't even flipped to hist channel in at least a year. I'm done with em their programming is crap now. This show might be great and historically very accurate (without even knowing anything about it I'm gonna guess neither) but I'll never watch it for the plain fact hist. Channel is off my radar.
/Only decent programming left is on PBS.
//Ditching cable very soon.
///Just have to convince the wife she can live without bravo.
////She and everyone else on the planet most assuredly can
 
2013-03-06 04:14:45 PM

brap: I recently watched Viking Apocalypse.  I haven't been that disappointed in the Vikings since the Fran Tarkenton days Super Bowls.


Give the man the credit he's due.
 
2013-03-06 04:15:48 PM

Rik01: Tommyymmo T

After 2 episodes, it seems pretty good.
I can't help but wonder what they smelled like though.

Rank. Foul. Putrid. Remember, they crossed thousands of miles of seas in open boats with no privacy, no toilets and soap wasn't around in any form. The most they did was rinse off in a stream with maybe a handful of bark or grass to scrub.

Animal fats were used to grease and waterproof leather as well as keep iron swords from rusting.

Their Great Halls during a tribal meeting-fest-brawl-drunken bash were pretty cool in appearance, but reeked with BO, crudely cooked foods, wood smoke and often, sweat. Plus they tended to invite their large hunting dogs in.

But, they wouldn't have noticed, having grown up in that environment. They'd probably be suspicious of anyone who didn't reek.

Didn't watch the show. Over several decades I've had enough 'primitive, brawling, fighting, manly' cultures forced on me through various media until it's become tiresome.

I'm real sick of hearing about the Romans and Ancient Egyptians.


Vikings had soap: http://www.ehow.com/how_6528425_make-viking-soap.html

The English also made sure to massacre the Vikings during their wash day:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Brice%27s_Day_massacre
 
2013-03-06 04:15:56 PM

brap: I recently watched Viking Apocalypse.  I haven't been that disapointed in the Vikings since the Fran Tarkenton days.


That's Incredible!

/Those are the Fran days I remember fondly.
//Also my first "stirrings" were to Cathy Lee Crosby
///That lil mynx
 
2013-03-06 04:16:44 PM
Even with that monk slaughter these guys don't seem as viking as I expected. A little more rape, pillage, plunder would be nice.

After watching ep 2 yesterday we took to Imdb to find some modern viking movies outside of 13th warrior, outlander and pathfinder. Slim pickins. Looks like Valhalla Rising is the only one. There is one coming out this year called Vikingdom. The cover looks full retard, it's gonna be great.
 
2013-03-06 04:18:15 PM

FishyFred: The overnight ratings they tout do not, but the numbers broadcasters sell to advertisers are usually C3 -- live plus the next three days on DVR. In the next year or so, that's expected to change to C7 -- live plus the next week on DVR.


Even a week isn't always enough... I've yet to watch "The Walking Dead" since it re-started because I'm watching other shows that I waited longer for the return of. I'll probably hold a mini-marathon at the end of the second half of the season and watch it all on a lazy day with no commercials.

Out of everything I watch, the only shows I will go out of my way to watch first-run are "Dexter" and "True Blood" - and even at that, they'll be on at the same time this summer, so one is going to get bumped. It will definitely fit in the C3, but that doesn't mean a lot of shows I watch fit into C7 since I sometimes horde shows or get busy and don't watch for a week or two just because life happens. That's why I have a DVR and pay for the service.
 
2013-03-06 04:20:15 PM
Well see the problem is that Nielson does not account for the alien watchers which clearly the History Channel was counting.
 
2013-03-06 04:22:12 PM

Rik01: Tommyymmo T

After 2 episodes, it seems pretty good.
I can't help but wonder what they smelled like though.

Rank. Foul. Putrid. Remember, they crossed thousands of miles of seas in open boats with no privacy, no toilets and soap wasn't around in any form. The most they did was rinse off in a stream with maybe a handful of bark or grass to scrub.

Animal fats were used to grease and waterproof leather as well as keep iron swords from rusting.

Their Great Halls during a tribal meeting-fest-brawl-drunken bash were pretty cool in appearance, but reeked with BO, crudely cooked foods, wood smoke and often, sweat. Plus they tended to invite their large hunting dogs in.

But, they wouldn't have noticed, having grown up in that environment. They'd probably be suspicious of anyone who didn't reek.

Didn't watch the show. Over several decades I've had enough 'primitive, brawling, fighting, manly' cultures forced on me through various media until it's become tiresome.

I'm real sick of hearing about the Romans and Ancient Egyptians.


As am I. This show seems to have some character development, and a plot line though.
As to the stink thing, I was more wondering when looking at some of the women, would I hit that?
Yeah, she's pretty, if a little dirty, but I would probably throw up from the smell, and going down on her is not something I even want to think about.
 
2013-03-06 04:29:47 PM

serpent_sky: FishyFred: The overnight ratings they tout do not, but the numbers broadcasters sell to advertisers are usually C3 -- live plus the next three days on DVR. In the next year or so, that's expected to change to C7 -- live plus the next week on DVR.

Even a week isn't always enough... I've yet to watch "The Walking Dead" since it re-started because I'm watching other shows that I waited longer for the return of. I'll probably hold a mini-marathon at the end of the second half of the season and watch it all on a lazy day with no commercials.


I'll periodically have a Walking Dead marathon through FIOS on-demand. It's free and doesn't take up space on the DVR schedule that way. Mrs. robertus is always taping something or other, and I'm not into the show enough to stake a claim on it.

On the last chapter or so of The Vikings. Been a real interesting read. Hoping to catch the first couple eps of the show, or at least record them.

/DVR'd the hell out of the Rangers/Flyers game last night.
 
2013-03-06 04:32:49 PM
www.memegeneokerlund.com
 
2013-03-06 04:34:19 PM

Weaver95: Because People in power are Stupid: I loved it, but it wasn't as gratuitous as one would want in Viking show.

at least it wasn't a show about space aliens building the pyramids or atlantean conspiracy theories.


You shut your farking hole. Just because you are afraid to face the truth doesn't mean that the rest of us want to ignore the contributions of our Reptilian ancestors who still live in Hollow Earth.
 
2013-03-06 04:34:52 PM
If I want to watch a dramatization on "Vikings" I'll go to the movies. I usually watch TV to get some education (using that term loosely). I don't need to see a gritty reboot of the Capital One commercials on the "History" Channel, thanks.
 
2013-03-06 04:39:06 PM
I thought it was...okay.  Not great.  I'll probably give it a couple more episodes, but it better interest up real fast.
 
2013-03-06 04:41:05 PM

Gyrfalcon: If I want to watch a dramatization on "Vikings" I'll go to the movies. I usually watch TV to get some education (using that term loosely).


So what are you watching History for?
 
2013-03-06 04:41:16 PM
How is Vikings compared to "History of Us"? I found HoU to be relatively accurate and entertaining. I might go rent it when it hits dvd.
 
2013-03-06 04:56:19 PM

FishyFred: The overnight ratings they tout do not, but the numbers broadcasters sell to advertisers are usually C3 -- live plus the next three days on DVR. In the next year or so, that's expected to change to C7 -- live plus the next week on DVR.


Not sure if you're an expert, but it seems like you know your stuff.  Question (sorta relevant to the thread)... how do they handle things like people watching at bars or at parties?  Especially sports.  From personal experience, I bet a very huge chunk of people down here watch Saints games at bars.
 
2013-03-06 04:58:31 PM

serpent_sky: FishyFred: The overnight ratings they tout do not, but the numbers broadcasters sell to advertisers are usually C3 -- live plus the next three days on DVR. In the next year or so, that's expected to change to C7 -- live plus the next week on DVR.

Even a week isn't always enough... I've yet to watch "The Walking Dead" since it re-started because I'm watching other shows that I waited longer for the return of. I'll probably hold a mini-marathon at the end of the second half of the season and watch it all on a lazy day with no commercials.

Out of everything I watch, the only shows I will go out of my way to watch first-run are "Dexter" and "True Blood" - and even at that, they'll be on at the same time this summer, so one is going to get bumped. It will definitely fit in the C3, but that doesn't mean a lot of shows I watch fit into C7 since I sometimes horde shows or get busy and don't watch for a week or two just because life happens. That's why I have a DVR and pay for the service.


But from the advertiser's perspective, even if you don't skip the commercials, there are many time specific commercials, like a President's Day sale on February 10th (walking dead's 1st 2013 ep) that are pretty useless from their perspective now.
 
2013-03-06 05:02:39 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: Weaver95: Because People in power are Stupid: I loved it, but it wasn't as gratuitous as one would want in Viking show.

at least it wasn't a show about space aliens building the pyramids or atlantean conspiracy theories.

All I'm asking for is for blood to righteously spurt forth from a dismembering. You can't compare that to space aliens... although a little gratuitous violence in Altantean Space Alien shows would make them worth watching.


The beheading wasn't extreme enough?
 
2013-03-06 05:05:51 PM
They still can't beat the Packers.
 
2013-03-06 05:26:17 PM

dustygrimp: Because People in power are Stupid: Weaver95: Because People in power are Stupid: I loved it, but it wasn't as gratuitous as one would want in Viking show.

at least it wasn't a show about space aliens building the pyramids or atlantean conspiracy theories.

All I'm asking for is for blood to righteously spurt forth from a dismembering. You can't compare that to space aliens... although a little gratuitous violence in Altantean Space Alien shows would make them worth watching.

The beheading wasn't extreme enough?


It wasn't bad. Not showing the act, but holding and thorwing the head around was an OK compromise, but Spartacus has me jaded to the gushing open wounds.
 
2013-03-06 05:30:08 PM
So it's like a soap opera masquerading as a historical examination of the time period?

That's what I gathered from the commercials and also pretty much assured I wouldn't watch it.
 
2013-03-06 05:35:16 PM
How the hell are you folks watching episode 2?

Episode 1 aired March 3, and 2 is not due till the 10th
 
2013-03-06 05:37:03 PM
My favorite part:

www.adweek.com
 
2013-03-06 05:40:21 PM

IC Stars: How the hell are you folks watching episode 2?

Episode 1 aired March 3, and 2 is not due till the 10th


Ah, I see its on the History web site...
 
2013-03-06 05:52:10 PM

TuteTibiImperes: FishyFred: TuteTibiImperes: Hmm, I'd think that viewership for certain types of shows would have a higher concentration of DVR/iTunes/Streaming than just watching live.

They tend to be extreme exceptions. Nearly 9 out of 10 TV viewers still watch live.

Hmm, I wonder how they got those numbers.  I still have 14 episodes each of Leverage and Alphas recorded on my DVR dating back to last July that I fully intend on watching at some point, and last night I was watching an episode of Covert Affairs I recorded back last fall, for the first time.

Why would DVR makers need to include such huge hard drives to record hundreds of hours of HD programming if 99% of people were just deleting stuff after it was over a week old?


I'm stepping into a conversation here...  but your viewing habits are one argument why networks and the advertisers they work with disregard DVR owners and the shows they tape.  First, it is hard to prove they actually watch the shows (but not a big deal).  Second, it is likely they simply fastforward through the commercial content (fair complaint).  Third, if they do watch, they often watch, like you do, when the commercial content is old and stale, or seasonally beside the point.

Nielsen's ratings are as much to set advertisement prices and price comparisons for ad time than for any other reason.  They are trying to gauge how many eyeballs set on any given show, not for their own sake, but to deliver important demographic information to those who are actually paying for those shows.
 
2013-03-06 05:52:59 PM

Weaver95: Because People in power are Stupid: I loved it, but it wasn't as gratuitous as one would want in Viking show.

at least it wasn't a show about space aliens building the pyramids or atlantean conspiracy theories.


Not yet anyway.  Though I suspect they have a strong Storm Front following.
 
2013-03-06 05:56:32 PM
Premier of what again?

History Channel is one step away from the 'SyFy' channel.
 
2013-03-06 05:58:26 PM
I just can't get enough of that Techno Viking.
 
2013-03-06 06:00:03 PM

Weaver95: Because People in power are Stupid: I loved it, but it wasn't as gratuitous as one would want in Viking show.

at least it wasn't a show about space aliens building the pyramids or atlantean conspiracy theories.


Well... the article mentions the Bible show, and where else can you find real historical documented contemporary sources of alien events other than the bible? Oh Moses being led through the desert by a pillar of smoke by day and a pillar of fire by night is totally just a flock of birds? When he goes up to receive the commandments I think the best line in the Bible is in Exodus....

On the morning of the third day there was thunder and lightning, with a thick cloud over the mountain, and a very loud trumpet blast. Everyone in the camp trembled. Then Moses led the people out of the camp to meet with God, and they stood at the foot of the mountain. Mount Sinai was covered with smoke, because the Lord descended on it in fire. The smoke billowed up from it like smoke from a furnace, and the whole mountain trembled violently. As the sound of the trumpet grew louder and louder, Moses spoke and God answered.
The Lord descended to the top of Mount Sinai and called Moses to the top of the mountain.


If that isn't a clear testimony of an alien craft landing on a hillside near some people, and someone going up for a closer look then I don't know what is.

What about Jacob? He was taken to heaven by a flying thing. In fact loads of people in the bible were. More people were abducted by aliens in the bible than in the X-Files.

So you got all these people who just left Egypt, land of the pyramids, being led by, and spoken to, flying things that occasionally land. Clearly the aliens built the pyramids but decided they wanted to start again with a new group, so that's why they led the Hebrews out and guided them to Canaan, whereupon getting there they gave the Hebrews a weapon that laid waste to entire armies and levelling mountains... the army that controls the arc is invincible...  Even Marcus Brody knew that, and he's got a two-day head start on you, which is more than he needs. Brody's got friends in every town and village from here to the Sudan. He speaks a dozen languages, knows every local custom. He'll blend in, disappear, you'll never see him again. With any luck, he's got the Grail already

It all makes perfect sense.

Then what about the Atlanteans? It can't be coincidence that Plato talks of that Egyptian guy, what'shisface, saying there was a big war between the Atlanteans in the west, beyond the pillars of Hercules, and another advanced race off to the far east, near India, yet we know there are lost cities under the Indian ocean, the Tsunamis exposed them briefly. We know the Mahabrartaarata ra talks of a war a long long time ago between advanced people who had flying machines who fired spears that exploded with the brightness of a thousand suns, and in the end everyone dies... how convenient. Clearly a nuclear war.

Don't make me bust out the picture of my hero here to prove my point. You know there is no comeback to these extreme facts in yo face.

/I wish this stuff was true, it'd be awesome to re-write history.
 
2013-03-06 06:09:06 PM
Seems more like a premature boast than an outright lie-not that that excuses them. That said, it was an arresting first episode. Gabriel Byrne was born to play the villainous Earl Haraldman, while Fimmel more than held his own as Ragnar Lothbrok. It was also nice to see the ravishing Katherine Winnick onscreen again. I look forward to the rest of it.
 
2013-03-06 06:10:19 PM
How are the Nielsen RatingsTM even still a thing? Cable and Satellite companies can pretty much report exactly how many boxes were tuned to what, what was DVR'd, etc.  Using this antiquated system is about as effective as using a completely arbitrary moving ratin ... oh, yeah.  Nevermind.
 
2013-03-06 06:40:10 PM

TuteTibiImperes: FishyFred: TuteTibiImperes: Hmm, I'd think that viewership for certain types of shows would have a higher concentration of DVR/iTunes/Streaming than just watching live.

They tend to be extreme exceptions. Nearly 9 out of 10 TV viewers still watch live.

Hmm, I wonder how they got those numbers.  I still have 14 episodes each of Leverage and Alphas recorded on my DVR dating back to last July that I fully intend on watching at some point, and last night I was watching an episode of Covert Affairs I recorded back last fall, for the first time.

Why would DVR makers need to include such huge hard drives to record hundreds of hours of HD programming if 99% of people were just deleting stuff after it was over a week old?


They track the ratings for advertisers. From an advertiser point of view you don't matter if you're waiting that long. Anything by 7 days doesn't count.
 
2013-03-06 06:54:21 PM
History channel has stopped even pretending to be educational. At least Pawn Stars could feign some history. Now they're showing a soap opera.

Oh. How I miss the Hitler Channel.
 
2013-03-06 07:22:45 PM

B.L.Z. Bub: Gyrfalcon: If I want to watch a dramatization on "Vikings" I'll go to the movies. I usually watch TV to get some education (using that term loosely).

So what are you watching History for?


I guess that was too subtle. I don't watch the "History" channel. At least not any more. Mostly now my viewing is confined to CNBC and Nat Geo. And when G4 becomes "Esquire TV" and CNBC becomes "CNBC 'Prime'" and starts airing reality shows....well, I guess it's back to DVDs of old movies.
 
2013-03-06 07:27:39 PM

Apos: Seems more like a premature boast than an outright lie-not that that excuses them. That said, it was an arresting first episode. Gabriel Byrne was born to play the villainous Earl Haraldman, while Fimmel more than held his own as Ragnar Lothbrok. It was also nice to see the ravishing Katherine Winnick onscreen again. I look forward to the rest of it.


Viral marketing.

I'mma still watch it, but dude tone it down a notch.
 
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