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(CBS Atlanta)   Jimmy Carter reminds us why he's America's greatest useful idiot, praises Hugo Chavez for his support for the poor of Venezuela - because being pissed on and told it's raining is a vast improvement over merely being pissed on   (atlanta.cbslocal.com) divider line 97
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2013-03-06 10:57:35 AM  
Some people get off on that, ya know...
 
2013-03-06 10:57:59 AM  
Subby; Chavez was good for Venezuela's poor.  Not defending his methods, corruption, and anti-democratic actions, but you can't honestly say he didn't do a lot to improve the lives of the country's poor.
 
2013-03-06 10:58:16 AM  
Because support for the poor is somehow bad, Subby?
 
2013-03-06 10:58:28 AM  
OK, I understand Fux, Deadmoran, and WhirldNutDouchey, but CBS Atlanta?  Why do THEY get an instagreen?
 
2013-03-06 10:58:36 AM  
I don't understand this criticism of Chavez. The Venezualian people supported him because he gave them stuff. This is bad? Isn't this exactly O'Reilly's critique of Obama? Why is it horrible of O'Reilly to say it about Obama, but everyone is right to say it about Chavez?

Chavez may have done many horrible things, but giving stuff to poor people wasn't one of them.

/not my original thought, comes from L'Hote.
 
2013-03-06 10:58:43 AM  
Subby's not a fan of Supply Side economics, I guess.
 
2013-03-06 10:58:47 AM  
It really hurt American's asses that Chavez was actually, really, honestly popular in his country.

They just can't quite understand how that is possible.
 
2013-03-06 10:58:47 AM  
Subby, it sounds like you are describing trickle down Reganomics.
 
2013-03-06 10:59:02 AM  
Hugo gave the oil money to the people and eliminated 75% of the poverty in the country.

that monster.
 
2013-03-06 10:59:04 AM  
I need a refresher.  Why are we supposed to hate Chavez?
 
2013-03-06 10:59:56 AM  

Philip J. Fry: I need a refresher.  Why are we supposed to hate Chavez?


because socialism that's why. he took oil money and gave it to the poor
 
2013-03-06 10:59:59 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: Subby; Chavez was good for Venezuela's poor.  Not defending his methods, corruption, and anti-democratic actions, but you can't honestly say he didn't do a lot to improve the lives of the country's poor.


But the media has always told me that 100% of the things that Hugo Chavez did were bad!  Not one thing he did benefited anyone in his country, ever!
 
2013-03-06 11:00:04 AM  
Let's all pile on the dead man.
 
2013-03-06 11:00:09 AM  
That's it, Smitty - keep taunting that dead corpse! Your corporate overlords will be most pleased!
 
2013-03-06 11:00:26 AM  

DamnYankees: Why is it horrible of O'Reilly to say it about Obama, but everyone is right to say it about Chavez?


Because when O'Reilly says it, he's lying.
 
2013-03-06 11:01:08 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: Subby; Chavez was good for Venezuela's poor.  Not defending his methods, corruption, and anti-democratic actions, but you can't honestly say he didn't do a lot to improve the lives of the country's poor.


Of COURSE you can. Don't you know that Jimmy Carter is a Democrat and Chavez was a "liberal"? You can say anything you want because liberals are bad, QED
 
2013-03-06 11:01:50 AM  

kingoomieiii: DamnYankees: Why is it horrible of O'Reilly to say it about Obama, but everyone is right to say it about Chavez?

Because when O'Reilly says it, he's lying.


He's not, really. He was accurately describing the situation - people voted for the candidate they thought would be better for then. He just thought it was a BAD thing, and he used pejoratives to describe the situation when it should have been described positively.
 
2013-03-06 11:02:19 AM  

Philip J. Fry: I need a refresher.  Why are we supposed to hate Chavez?


Because he didn't conveniently die when we decided Salas Römer should be Venezuela's leader.
 
2013-03-06 11:02:22 AM  

Philip J. Fry: I need a refresher.  Why are we supposed to hate Chavez?


Because the people elected him on a platform of running his country's economy on a moderately different system than the system the USA has chosen to use, and he didn't completely fail at it.
 
2013-03-06 11:02:50 AM  
We have a real crisis coming in this country. We are rapidly running out of Bogeymen. Osama, Ghaddafi, and Chavez all dead. Castro at death's door. Ahmadinejad out of office later this year.

Who will the right use to spread fear? Who will be the new face of evil?
 
2013-03-06 11:03:58 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: We have a real crisis coming in this country. We are rapidly running out of Bogeymen. Osama, Ghaddafi, and Chavez all dead. Castro at death's door. Ahmadinejad out of office later this year.

Who will the right use to spread fear? Who will be the new face of evil?


pictures.mastermarf.com
 
2013-03-06 11:03:59 AM  
Mussolini made the trains run on time.
 
2013-03-06 11:04:29 AM  

DamnYankees: Chavez may have done many horrible things, but giving stuff to poor people wasn't one of them.


He really didn't even do that horrible of things. For his third election he gerrymandered the districts in the country so that the election was more favorable towards him and his win margin would be even larger.

I swear, there something or someone here that I could have sworn did the same thing. I wish I could put my finger on it.
 
2013-03-06 11:04:47 AM  
So...Chavez was an American capitalist?
 
2013-03-06 11:06:58 AM  

Jackson Herring: Satanic_Hamster: Subby; Chavez was good for Venezuela's poor.  Not defending his methods, corruption, and anti-democratic actions, but you can't honestly say he didn't do a lot to improve the lives of the country's poor.

Of COURSE you can. Don't you know that Jimmy Carter is a Democrat and Chavez was a "liberal"? You can say anything you want because liberals are bad, QED


And that's what it's all about.  Reading conservative blogs today, it's "OK, Chavez died and good riddance. And now: 8 paragraphs of liberal bashing!!  Hate them!!  Hate them until your eyeballs bleed!!".
 
2013-03-06 11:07:03 AM  
because being pissed on and told it's raining is a vast improvement over merely being pissed on

Which is exactly what trickle-down economics says.
 
2013-03-06 11:09:27 AM  
So he was an utter fail on civil liberties (not just the C-/D+ Dubya was), alleviated some poverty, won reasonably fair elections, and alienated the business community completely.

Not a full Castro, but hardly a Lion of Liberalism the way say Ted Kennedy was.
 
2013-03-06 11:12:40 AM  
You know subby, just because Chavez hated America doesn't mean he was a cartoon supervillian
 
2013-03-06 11:13:45 AM  

Philip J. Fry: I need a refresher.  Why are we supposed to hate Chavez?


Here's a good starting point.
 
2013-03-06 11:14:49 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: Subby; Chavez was good for Venezuela's poor.  Not defending his methods, corruption, and anti-democratic actions, but you can't honestly say he didn't do a lot to improve the lives of the country's poor.


He did stop the super wealthy and foreign corporations from raping the country. His methods in doing so and quieting his opposition may not have been desirable, but if he didn't take the steps that he did, his opposition probably would have killed him a long time ago.

Another thing is that when he was ousted in a coup, the people of Venezuela demanded that he be put back into office.
 
2013-03-06 11:15:02 AM  

DamnYankees: Philip Francis Queeg: We have a real crisis coming in this country. We are rapidly running out of Bogeymen. Osama, Ghaddafi, and Chavez all dead. Castro at death's door. Ahmadinejad out of office later this year.

Who will the right use to spread fear? Who will be the new face of evil?

[pictures.mastermarf.com image 850x629]


Why the eyebrow piercing?  Whenever I see an eyebrow piercing it isn't on a scary person its on a 16 year old wanna be rebelious girl.
 
2013-03-06 11:15:38 AM  
wow, that statement by Carter is OUTRAGEOUzzzzzzzzzz
 
2013-03-06 11:17:36 AM  
Why is Chavez perceived to be worse than Hitler?

He refused to obey the American line on foreign policy toward Cuba and Iran?

*shrug* I agree there are reasons not to like him, or think he was wrong for Venezuela, and so on, but gawd the hyperbole about him was stupid. "Stop liking what I don't like" writ in internationally-sized jpgs
 
2013-03-06 11:18:59 AM  

soaboutthat: DamnYankees: Philip Francis Queeg: We have a real crisis coming in this country. We are rapidly running out of Bogeymen. Osama, Ghaddafi, and Chavez all dead. Castro at death's door. Ahmadinejad out of office later this year.

Who will the right use to spread fear? Who will be the new face of evil?

[pictures.mastermarf.com image 850x629]

Why the eyebrow piercing?  Whenever I see an eyebrow piercing it isn't on a scary person its on a 16 year old wanna be rebelious girl.


You obviously aren't a geriatric white Republican Christian.
 
2013-03-06 11:21:23 AM  
Chavez pissed off the right wing oil tycoons in this country. He wasn't bad at all
 
2013-03-06 11:23:25 AM  
At least he didn't call them worthless moochers and the bane of society like the contemporary GOP.
 
2013-03-06 11:24:58 AM  
because being pissed on and told it's raining is a vast improvement over merely being pissed on

Yet when Reagan does the same thing it's somehow heroic and worthy of statues and manly tears.
 
2013-03-06 11:25:51 AM  
Ask any Venezuelan if he's a "brutal dictator". You won't find one who isn't among the top 5% income earners.
 
2013-03-06 11:29:46 AM  
Under Chavez:

Exports fell from 3 million barrels of oil per day in 2000 to 1.7 million barrels per day in 2011.

The refineries are in shambles so much so that Venezuela is a net Importer of refined petroleum products.

The Nationalized Oil industry is being starved of capital for even basic maintenance.
 
2013-03-06 11:31:06 AM  
The report I have from Venezuelans I personally know is that Chavez's government likes to imprison opponents and kill people. They are all middle class (or more) and think he's pretty much a monster dictator. I was pretty surprised. I thought he was bad, but I didn't think this was going on to the extent they claim.
 
2013-03-06 11:33:47 AM  

halfof33: Under Chavez:

Exports fell from 3 million barrels of oil per day in 2000 to 1.7 million barrels per day in 2011.

The refineries are in shambles so much so that Venezuela is a net Importer of refined petroleum products.

The Nationalized Oil industry is being starved of capital for even basic maintenance.


And I should care because?
 
2013-03-06 11:40:09 AM  
He's a communist, in the circa 1980 Soviet/Chinese sense of the word.  Communism does help the poor, in the sense that nobody (circa 1980; I'm not talking about earlier purges and "Great Leap Forward" and the like that killed hundreds of millions) starves to death, but innovation and freedom are curtailed, and few people (other than a few politically connected elites) are not "upper lower class".
 
2013-03-06 11:42:18 AM  

halfof33: Under Chavez:

Exports fell from 3 million barrels of oil per day in 2000 to 1.7 million barrels per day in 2011.

The refineries are in shambles so much so that Venezuela is a net Importer of refined petroleum products.

The Nationalized Oil industry is being starved of capital for even basic maintenance.


So he was very concerned about carbon dioxide emissions?
 
2013-03-06 11:44:28 AM  

PC LOAD LETTER: The report I have from Venezuelans I personally know is that Chavez's government likes to imprison opponents and kill people. They are all middle class (or more) and think he's pretty much a monster dictator. I was pretty surprised. I thought he was bad, but I didn't think this was going on to the extent they claim.


They may not be the most unbiased of sources. Just think how certain people feel about Obama because he raises their taxes a little bit to pay for healthcare for the poor.
 
2013-03-06 11:49:07 AM  

LockeOak: So he was very concerned about carbon dioxide emissions?


I saw an article that said he was a horrible environmentalist because he was subsidizing the cost of gasoline, causing a huge increase in air pollution.
 
2013-03-06 11:53:31 AM  
All I ever needed to know about the US fed relationship with Chavez:

Coni Rice: "Hug Chavez does not have America's interests at heart".

If you're not a US lapdog, the US will malign you and side against you every time.

The Revolution will not be Televised
 
2013-03-06 11:56:12 AM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: Chavez pissed off the right wing oil tycoons in this country. He wasn't bad at all


False. 

He was a charismatic leader, and he reduced poverty by 50% in his country. Good things.

But he did them by raping the democratic process in the country, building  personal power base, and crapping all over his foreign policy. Getting on better terms with Panama and the Antilles is a good thing, but doing so at the expense of your biggest trading partners is folly in the long term.

If he was so bad, the people would have kicked him out long ago. If he was so good, he wouldn't have had to play games with the constitution to stay in power the way he liked. A truly great leader empowers those around him, and is able to hand off the reins to other capable hands without hanging on to the bitter end.
 
2013-03-06 12:16:40 PM  

ongbok: He did stop the super wealthy and foreign corporations from raping the country. His methods in doing so and quieting his opposition may not have been desirable, but if he didn't take the steps that he did, his opposition probably would have killed him a long time ago.

Another thing is that when he was ousted in a coup, the people of Venezuela demanded that he be put back into office.


And you could VERY correctly claim he over did his actions against multi-national corps.  But thing is, how much can you blame them?  Foreign corps. have screwed over developing countries for hundreds of years.  They shouldn't be shocked that occasionally people will get pissed off enough to fight back.
 
2013-03-06 12:16:48 PM  
He was pretty much a douche, but he (and Venezuela) did give over 200 million gallons of home heating oil to the US poor through Citizens Energy, which is likely more than the GOP has ever done.
 
2013-03-06 12:21:03 PM  

Hobodeluxe: Philip J. Fry: I need a refresher.  Why are we supposed to hate Chavez?

because socialism that's why. he took oil money and gave it to the poor


A nation's resources should benefit all, not just a select few.
 
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