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(YouTube)   Motorcycle rider tries braking hard during a race. Difficulty: front wheel only. Hilarity sǝnsuǝ   (youtube.com) divider line 43
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2013-03-06 11:24:45 AM  
Face-planting at 90 somethings per hour is hilarious!
 
2013-03-06 11:25:09 AM  
I break for noone reason...
 
2013-03-06 11:55:09 AM  

Charlie Chingas: I break for noone reason...


He broke all right.
 
2013-03-06 11:55:28 AM  
Fark!  I meant to clutch, not brake!

/ouch
 
2013-03-06 11:55:39 AM  

Lor M. Ipsum: Face-planting at 90 somethings per hour is hilarious!


This

That's what we call "Hilarity"? Really?

/Ow, my balls!
 
2013-03-06 11:56:55 AM  
You know you're in a bad situation when all onlookers (me, at least) can think to say is "Good thing he did that on a track where there are no trucks to run him over."

I'd like to assume "rear brake failure" before "massive incompetence," I really would.
 
2013-03-06 12:03:37 PM  
That's gonna leave a mark
 
2013-03-06 12:09:01 PM  
Ouchie.
Never did one of those, but used to carry the rear entering the esses at Gratten, when the course was run clockwise.
 
2013-03-06 12:16:17 PM  
watching again, this must be a "track day" for street riders; racers always have the speedometers removed.
And I see no reason for that violent of a braking action.
And as to the 'front wheel only" comment on subby's part, damn near ALL of your braking on the track is with the front.
 
2013-03-06 12:34:13 PM  

loki see loki do: watching again, this must be a "track day" for street riders; racers always have the speedometers removed.
And I see no reason for that violent of a braking action.
And as to the 'front wheel only" comment on subby's part, damn near ALL of your braking on the track is with the front.


All three of these things.

Definitely a track day.
I think he must have just grabbed as much brake as he could.  Weird.
Yup.  Half the riders I've ridden with at the track don't ever touch the rear brake.
 
2013-03-06 12:42:05 PM  
I bet a disk or front wheel casting broke or came loose and wedged to cause that. Its difficult to be ham fisted enough to go over without turning loose of the brake lever
 
2013-03-06 12:54:37 PM  
And that, people, is why I'll never buy a motorcycle without traction control and ABS
 
2013-03-06 12:54:51 PM  

mikaloyd: I bet a disk or front wheel casting broke or came loose and wedged to cause that. Its difficult to be ham fisted enough to go over without turning loose of the brake lever


True.
 
2013-03-06 01:14:28 PM  

pudding7: loki see loki do: watching again, this must be a "track day" for street riders; racers always have the speedometers removed.
And I see no reason for that violent of a braking action.
And as to the 'front wheel only" comment on subby's part, damn near ALL of your braking on the track is with the front.

All three of these things.

Definitely a track day.
I think he must have just grabbed as much brake as he could.  Weird.
Yup.  Half the riders I've ridden with at the track don't ever touch the rear brake.


I'm going to add a "this" as well.

About 70% of your braking power is in the front, which is why people use it more. Plus, unless you're retarded like this guy, it means you're less likely to lock up your back wheel and have your ass slide out from underneath you which can get nasty really quickly.
 
2013-03-06 01:17:40 PM  

Timmy the Tumor: And that, people, is why I'll never buy a motorcycle without traction control and ABS


If it's a track day, he probably had it turned off.
 
2013-03-06 01:25:44 PM  

factoryconnection: You know you're in a bad situation when all onlookers (me, at least) can think to say is "Good thing he did that on a track where there are no trucks to run him over."

I'd like to assume "rear brake failure" before "massive incompetence," I really would.


Yeah, I did not see any reason for him to hit the brakes.  Looks more like a mechanical failure.
 
2013-03-06 02:02:09 PM  

mikaloyd: I bet a disk or front wheel casting broke or came loose and wedged to cause that. Its difficult to be ham fisted enough to go over without turning loose of the brake lever


That seems more likely. There was no upcoming turn and nobody passing closely.

OTOH, it seems like if it were a bad casting it would cause the front end to wash out immediately rather than rotate.
 
2013-03-06 02:14:51 PM  
And that, people, is why I'll never buy a motorcycle without four wheel drive, a V-8 engine, and a camper shell.
 
2013-03-06 02:31:57 PM  

meehaw: Timmy the Tumor: And that, people, is why I'll never buy a motorcycle without traction control and ABS

If it's a track day, he probably had it turned off.


if you're really good (which he doesn't seem to be), turning the traction control down isn't a bad idea...but not off if you have the choice (some guys like a little wheelspin on corners).  I don't know any reason to turn off ABS if you have it, though, unless your last name is Valentino.
 
2013-03-06 02:41:34 PM  

factoryconnection: I'd like to assume "rear brake failure" before "massive incompetence," I really would.


I imagine it's easy to panic, lock the front brake, and forget about the rear brake entirely.  They do try to teach you not to do that in the MSF basic course, though.
 
2013-03-06 03:01:00 PM  
It is NOT easy, and usually not even possible, to endo a bike in that manner.
And no, rear brake wouldn't have done dick.
MSF does not teach track skills.
 
2013-03-06 03:03:19 PM  

loki see loki do: It is NOT easy, and usually not even possible, to endo a bike in that manner.
And no, rear brake wouldn't have done dick.
MSF does not teach track skills.


Why don't you use the rear brake on the track?  Too much lost power?
 
2013-03-06 03:11:34 PM  

airsupport: loki see loki do: It is NOT easy, and usually not even possible, to endo a bike in that manner.
And no, rear brake wouldn't have done dick.
MSF does not teach track skills.

Why don't you use the rear brake on the track?  Too much lost power?


Not at all. It's just that it doesn;t helpin full power braking that much (if at all).

Because when you are braking on the track, you are braking as hard as possible within the limits of adhesion. The weight tranfer to the front wheel is almost complete. Watch some MotoGP leaders - you can usually see the rear end wriggle as it nearly dancing in the air (but not completely off the ground like some stunter intentionally doing it) as they set up for the turn in at a slow corner.. The relative unimportance of the rear brake is also evidenced by how small they are compared to the front.

The rear brake is exceedingluy useful though, especially when "trail braking" deep into a corner or even to initiate a slide to aim the front of the bike to the inside of a corner. Some guys use a small thumb opeated lever near the clutch lever to operate the rear brake in those very nuanced maneuvers.
 
2013-03-06 03:15:24 PM  

Timmy the Tumor: meehaw: Timmy the Tumor: And that, people, is why I'll never buy a motorcycle without traction control and ABS

If it's a track day, he probably had it turned off.

if you're really good (which he doesn't seem to be), turning the traction control down isn't a bad idea...but not off if you have the choice (some guys like a little wheelspin on corners).  I don't know any reason to turn off ABS if you have it, though, unless your last name is Valentino.


True, but there's no shortage of dudes thinking they're Rossi out on the road, much less on a track.  Just because it's not a great idea doesn't mean it's not done.
 
2013-03-06 03:24:41 PM  
Almost looked like he was trying to do one of those front wheelie things and failed.
 
2013-03-06 03:26:04 PM  

loki see loki do: airsupport: loki see loki do: It is NOT easy, and usually not even possible, to endo a bike in that manner.
And no, rear brake wouldn't have done dick.
MSF does not teach track skills.

Why don't you use the rear brake on the track?  Too much lost power?

Not at all. It's just that it doesn;t helpin full power braking that much (if at all).

Because when you are braking on the track, you are braking as hard as possible within the limits of adhesion. The weight tranfer to the front wheel is almost complete. Watch some MotoGP leaders - you can usually see the rear end wriggle as it nearly dancing in the air (but not completely off the ground like some stunter intentionally doing it) as they set up for the turn in at a slow corner.. The relative unimportance of the rear brake is also evidenced by how small they are compared to the front.

The rear brake is exceedingluy useful though, especially when "trail braking" deep into a corner or even to initiate a slide to aim the front of the bike to the inside of a corner. Some guys use a small thumb opeated lever near the clutch lever to operate the rear brake in those very nuanced maneuvers.


Kevin Schwanz put it best when he said something to the effect of "I used the rear brake exactly twice in my racing career.  Both times I crashed."
 
2013-03-06 04:58:55 PM  

Dakai: Fark!  I meant to clutch, not brake!

/ouch


I did that once.

I was 12 and managed to get up on a lip on the trail course we had set up back in the back 40 of the farm.

I dropped down into a rut and panicked, as I was coming up on a "fence.. or turn" point, and went ass over teakettle into the barbed wire fence when I hit the brake instead of the clutch.

/Only made that mistake once, but I still have reminders of it on my arms.

//Misses my old YZ
 
2013-03-06 05:08:28 PM  

studebaker hoch: And that, people, is why I'll never buy a motorcycle without four wheel drive, a V-8 engine, and a camper shell.


Instead, you'll buy something that is miles up in the sky and probably has only one engine.

/I would too if I could ;)
 
2013-03-06 05:20:28 PM  
subby clearly has no idea what he's talking about
 
2013-03-06 07:10:14 PM  
I can only think that, being that it was going downhill, and he had perhaps way too much brake bias to the front, and with it seems like he is relatively high up in the seat, his CG is not as low as  it should be, and BAM!  Endo...

BRake failure is possible, or depending on the bike, maybe he had some electronics failure.
 
2013-03-06 07:21:07 PM  

mikaloyd: I bet a disk or front wheel casting broke or came loose and wedged to cause that. Its difficult to be ham fisted enough to go over without turning loose of the brake lever


I've locked my front disc going down hill in the rain. All that happened was the rear end slid around and I low sided. I agree, something other than aggressive braking caused that, it's just not that easy to endo a sport bike. But, track day, it could have been an idiot with super grippy brake calipers and pades and a real large brake discs; I wouldn't put it past some tuner to not know the consequence of 22 inch tires with a 20 inch brake disc on two wheels.
 
2013-03-06 08:24:50 PM  
flexflint

Instead, you'll buy something that is miles up in the sky and probably has only one engine.

/I would too if I could ;)


How the heck do you know that?
 
2013-03-06 08:51:03 PM  
Call Geico.
 
2013-03-06 08:53:20 PM  
i.imgur.com

pfffffffft, amateur.
 
2013-03-06 10:19:28 PM  

loki see loki do: It is NOT easy, and usually not even possible, to endo a bike in that manner.
And no, rear brake wouldn't have done dick.
MSF does not teach track skills.


I did this on an electric bicycle. Hat flew off, reached for it, braked hard with what turned out to be the front brake. Oops. Did sort of a belly flop onto the pavement. Also dislocated and broke my shoulder. It was the one braking so I just braked and did not let go of that sucker. Left an extremely detailed bruise in the shape of my bike handle which included the screw head and tape marks.

Very funny. Thanks to some guy who held my arm up while we waited for the ambulance. He'd drop it a bit and I'd start screaming, "Raise it, raise it!"

I freely admit I haz no skillz.
 
2013-03-06 10:56:49 PM  

Timmy the Tumor: And that, people, is why I'll never buy a motorcycle without traction control and ABS


I haven't seen an ABS system for a motorcycle that will modulate it to keep the rear wheel on the ground. It simply keeps the front from locking which actually wouldn't have done anything for this. However, eventhough I've never owned a bike with ABS I would like to have it. Traction control I don't care as much about since it's easier modulate.

But, it looks like something broke. He would have had to absolutly grab the heck out of the front brake for it to act like that. I'm wondering if a brake pad wore down just enough to jump out of place and wedge in the caliper.
 
2013-03-07 03:03:48 AM  

Lor M. Ipsum: Face-planting at 90 somethings per hour is hilarious!


 i face planted once at 70 mph, sprained wrist, split lip (full face helmet) and cursed the kids who ran at the road and then changed their minds. not very funny for a motorcycle courier. bonus; crashed within sight of the boss man's house.
 
2013-03-07 07:54:04 AM  

Timmy the Tumor: And that, people, is why I'll never buy a motorcycle without traction control and ABS


The manual for my  motorcycle with ABS  specifically states it will not prevent an endo or lowside.

 ABS prevents skids by detecting if the wheel has lost traction.  In an endo, the front wheel has very good traction.
 
2013-03-07 07:54:58 AM  
They called him Flip-per, Flip-per ...
 
2013-03-07 08:04:21 AM  

doobiebrother: Lor M. Ipsum: Face-planting at 90 somethings per hour is hilarious!

 i face planted once at 70 mph, sprained wrist, split lip (full face helmet) and cursed the kids who ran at the road and then changed their minds. not very funny for a motorcycle courier. bonus; crashed within sight of the boss man's house.


You split your lip?  See, more proof that helmets are dangerous.  <wink>.
 
2013-03-07 08:53:45 AM  

loki see loki do: airsupport: loki see loki do: It is NOT easy, and usually not even possible, to endo a bike in that manner.
And no, rear brake wouldn't have done dick.
MSF does not teach track skills.

Why don't you use the rear brake on the track?  Too much lost power?

Not at all. It's just that it doesn;t helpin full power braking that much (if at all).

Because when you are braking on the track, you are braking as hard as possible within the limits of adhesion. The weight tranfer to the front wheel is almost complete. Watch some MotoGP leaders - you can usually see the rear end wriggle as it nearly dancing in the air (but not completely off the ground like some stunter intentionally doing it) as they set up for the turn in at a slow corner.. The relative unimportance of the rear brake is also evidenced by how small they are compared to the front.

The rear brake is exceedingluy useful though, especially when "trail braking" deep into a corner or even to initiate a slide to aim the front of the bike to the inside of a corner. Some guys use a small thumb opeated lever near the clutch lever to operate the rear brake in those very nuanced maneuvers.


Thank you!
 
2013-03-07 09:53:26 AM  

studebaker hoch: flexflint

Instead, you'll buy something that is miles up in the sky and probably has only one engine.

/I would too if I could ;)

How the heck do you know that?


Next to your handle is a text that reads: "favorite: 5339458#c60673859, pilot, good posts" ... ;).
 
2013-03-10 12:22:54 AM  
flexflint

HA!  cool.

/fistbump
 
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