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(Panama City News Herald)   Republicans have their own ACORN problem. Let's see how the "liberal" media treats this scandal   (newsherald.com) divider line 147
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2013-03-06 10:59:42 AM
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2013-03-06 11:07:08 AM
Most of the Voter Registration Fraud comes from Republicans. They want new laws but I suspect they havent thought their cunning plans through.
 
2013-03-06 11:13:32 AM

NateGrey: Most of the Voter Registration Fraud comes from Republicans. They want new laws but I suspect they havent thought their cunning plans through.


The laws they propose wouldn't pose a threat to their kind of fraud.  It would only cover the made-up fraud they invented to minimize the vote of citizens that typically vote Democratic.
 
2013-03-06 11:19:20 AM
It's the first result in a far-reaching voter fraud investigation that was launched last fall - and initiated at the urging of the party after election supervisors started flagging questionable applications.


I will give them credit for that.
 
2013-03-06 11:23:22 AM

NateGrey: Most of the Voter Registration Fraud comes from Republicans. They want new laws but I suspect they havent thought their cunning plans through.


Most of the voter registration fraud comes from lazy temps, who pencil-fark their forms to keep their jobs, or pad their numbers for a bonus.  There's no political gain when newly registered voters Thor Odinsson, Bruce Banner, Natasha Romanov, Tony Stark, and Steve Rogers don't show up to vote.
 
2013-03-06 11:28:28 AM

Sgt Otter: There's no political gain when newly registered voters Thor Odinsson, Bruce Banner, Natasha Romanov, Tony Stark, and Steve Rogers don't show up to vote.


If anything, it actually makes them look worse when you show 86,000 registered Republicans and only 14 show up to vote.
 
2013-03-06 11:49:55 AM

NateGrey: Most of the Voter Registration Fraud comes from Republicans. They want new laws but I suspect they havent thought their cunning plans through.


Hell, the Republican Indiana Secretary of State got convicted of voter fraud because he knowingly voted in the wrong district because he never updated his information.

This wasn't once or twice either.
 
2013-03-06 12:00:34 PM

GAT_00: NateGrey: Most of the Voter Registration Fraud comes from Republicans. They want new laws but I suspect they havent thought their cunning plans through.

Hell, the Republican Indiana Secretary of State got convicted of voter fraud because he knowingly voted in the wrong district because he never updated his information.

This wasn't once or twice either.


If I recall, he was actually living with his mistress, who was in another district.

He didn't want anyone to know that he abandoned his wife, being such a good Christian man.
 
2013-03-06 12:11:34 PM
If there is no video with a pimp and a ho, there is no scandal.
 
2013-03-06 12:25:36 PM
The "liberal media" will handle it the same way an actual liberal or left-wing media would have handled the ACORN issue: They will ignore it because it's the functional equivalent of someone stealing empty Big Gulp cups from the 7/11.
 
2013-03-06 12:25:42 PM
Did any of them actually vote?

Of course not.

Excepting the old guy that couldn't remember if he had voted by absentee ballot in Ohio then voted in Florida as well.
 
2013-03-06 12:27:13 PM

Darth_Lukecash: GAT_00: NateGrey: Most of the Voter Registration Fraud comes from Republicans. They want new laws but I suspect they havent thought their cunning plans through.

Hell, the Republican Indiana Secretary of State got convicted of voter fraud because he knowingly voted in the wrong district because he never updated his information.

This wasn't once or twice either.

If I recall, he was actually living with his mistress, who was in another district.

He didn't want anyone to know that he abandoned his wife, being such a good Christian man.


Sounds like he was being prudent, actually.
 
2013-03-06 12:28:11 PM
Look, it's pretty simple- if white people do it, we're just protecting freedom.
 
2013-03-06 12:28:52 PM

Blues_X: It's the first result in a far-reaching voter fraud investigation that was launched last fall - and initiated at the urging of the party after election supervisors started flagging questionable applications.


I will give them credit for that.


why? ACORN got no credit for turning in the culprits themselves. The GOP only capitulated once they were caught. And IIRC this firm that does this registration for them has been caught several times before and all they had to do was change their name and got re-hired by the GOP immediately.
 
2013-03-06 12:32:01 PM
They make it seem like the guy they hired that did voter fraud just fell out of the sky and started throwing away registration forms of Democrats.

Except the dude in question has done it in previous elections, and been fired by the Republicans before.

Basically, here's how it goes:

Step 1) Hire someone you know cheats because cheating helps you win
Step 2) Hope he doesn't get caught
Step 3) When he gets caught, swear up and down you never saw this coming
Step 4) After you fire the guy, tell him the change his companies name. Go to Step 1.

This has literally been the strategy.
 
2013-03-06 12:32:19 PM

Sgt Otter: Most of the voter registration fraud comes from lazy temps, who pencil-fark their forms to keep their jobs, or pad their numbers for a bonus.  There's no political gain when newly registered voters Thor Odinsson, Bruce Banner, Natasha Romanov, Tony Stark, and Steve Rogers don't show up to vote.


What I never understood was that every voting cycle there are these massive 'register to vote' efforts by both parties - you would think that every eligible voter in the US was registered to vote at least three times over by now.
 
2013-03-06 12:34:02 PM

Sgt Otter: NateGrey: Most of the Voter Registration Fraud comes from Republicans. They want new laws but I suspect they havent thought their cunning plans through.

Most of the voter registration fraud comes from lazy temps, who pencil-fark their forms to keep their jobs, or pad their numbers for a bonus.  There's no political gain when newly registered voters Thor Odinsson, Bruce Banner, Natasha Romanov, Tony Stark, and Steve Rogers don't show up to vote.


kinda, but not really.

one thing that  Nathan Sproul's companies are famous for is destroying democratic registrations. that isn't a matter of Thor Odinsson not showing up to vote, it's a matter of you showing up to vote and being unable to - precisely because of voter registration fraud.
 
2013-03-06 12:34:11 PM
Hobodeluxe:  ACORN got no credit for turning in the culprits themselves. The GOP only capitulated once they were caught.

yyyyyyyyyyyup
 
2013-03-06 12:34:31 PM

gingerjet: Sgt Otter: Most of the voter registration fraud comes from lazy temps, who pencil-fark their forms to keep their jobs, or pad their numbers for a bonus.  There's no political gain when newly registered voters Thor Odinsson, Bruce Banner, Natasha Romanov, Tony Stark, and Steve Rogers don't show up to vote.

What I never understood was that every voting cycle there are these massive 'register to vote' efforts by both parties - you would think that every eligible voter in the US was registered to vote at least three times over by now.


People become newly eligible to vote all the time. I think for many it is called their eighteenth birthday. Also some other people move.
 
2013-03-06 12:35:07 PM

Hobodeluxe: And IIRC this firm that does this registration for them has been caught several times before and all they had to do was change their name and got re-hired by the GOP immediately.


You are correct.

They'll change their name again and be re-hired before the midterms.
 
2013-03-06 12:36:46 PM

NateGrey: Most of the Voter Registration Fraud comes from Republicans. They want new laws but I suspect they havent thought their cunning plans through.


In all fairness, we're talking about trivial numbers-padding shiat by employees here, 27 ballots suspected fraudulent from the whole company.

I mean, I guess the GOP deserves some shiat because they've tried to make a mountain from the same molehill in other areas, but largely I feel like if we go all "is strategic allied a scandal yet" we're just meeting hypocrisy with hypocrisy, or as my mother would say "sinking to their level".  Which leaves no one around with the moral high ground or a sense of perspective on the issue.

NateGrey: Most of the Voter Registration Fraud comes from Republicans. They want new laws but I suspect they havent thought their cunning plans through.


Nah, registration fraud seems to be mostly from shiate workers padding their numbers because their employers were dumb enough to set quotas instead of just pay hourly and supervise properly.
 
2013-03-06 12:37:51 PM
aaaaand I just double-quoted.  I fail at message boards forever.

I shall go to the corner of shame and don the shame hat now.
 
2013-03-06 12:39:06 PM

Lionel Mandrake: NateGrey: Most of the Voter Registration Fraud comes from Republicans. They want new laws but I suspect they havent thought their cunning plans through.

The laws they propose wouldn't pose a threat to their kind of fraud.  It would only cover the made-up fraud they invented to minimize the vote of citizens that typically vote Democratic.


I don't think that's as true as Liberal Media (actual) would have you believe.
 
2013-03-06 12:42:20 PM

NateGrey: Most of the Voter Registration Fraud comes from Republicans. They want new laws but I suspect they havent thought their cunning plans through.


Really, they tend to think more grand than just reg fraud. The GOP goes for big phone banks and robo-calls working to suppress large blocks of votes by disseminating false information about voting locations and restrictions, there was also the case where they registered a bunch of folks then shredded all the dems applications.
 
2013-03-06 12:43:01 PM

Jim_Callahan: In all fairness, we're talking about trivial numbers-padding shiat by employees here, 27 ballots suspected fraudulent from the whole company.


In 2004, a voter registration worker in Nevada hired by Sproul's firm told reporters that he had witnessed his surpervisors chucking registration forms signed by Democrats. "They were thrown away in the trash," he claimed. Sproul's canvassers in Oregon confessed to doing the same thing, and other reports emerged across several swing states. In Minnesota, workers said they were actually fired for bringing in registration forms signed by Democrats. CBS News obtained faxes showing that Sproul's firm had even impersonated the left-leaning America Votes! to organize voter registration drives at libraries.http://www.thenation.com/blog/170198/gop-quietly-hires-fir m-tied-voter -fraud-scandal-work-battleground-states#


In that case, a couple told the police in Roseburg that they had been approached by a woman outside a Walmart who asked them to register to vote. The husband, John Gomez, filled out a card registering as a Republican. His wife, Katheline, registered as a Democrat.
About a month later, Mr. Gomez received a ballot in the mail, but his wife did not, the Oregon authorities said. Her registration form seemed to have evaporated. Investigators determined that the woman who solicited the couple had been paid by Sproul & Associates.
The woman told investigators that she was paid only when she registered Republicans or those who said they would vote for President George W. Bush.   http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/05/us/politics/nathan-sproul-a-republi c an-operative-long-trailed-by-voter-fraud-claims.html?pagewanted=all&_r =0



In all fairness, we're talking about a helluva lot more than employees padding numbers.
 
2013-03-06 12:44:28 PM

Fluorescent Testicle: Hobodeluxe: And IIRC this firm that does this registration for them has been caught several times before and all they had to do was change their name and got re-hired by the GOP immediately.

You are correct.

They'll change their name again and be re-hired before the midterms.


I DNRTFA, but I knew that Nathan Sproul would be involved in the story somehow. Why this ratbastard isn't serving several consecutive 10-year terms in a medium security federal prison is a mystery to me, and has been since 2004.
 
2013-03-06 12:45:11 PM

Sgt Otter: NateGrey: Most of the Voter Registration Fraud comes from Republicans. They want new laws but I suspect they havent thought their cunning plans through.

Most of the voter registration fraud comes from lazy temps, who pencil-fark their forms to keep their jobs, or pad their numbers for a bonus.  There's no political gain when newly registered voters Thor Odinsson, Bruce Banner, Natasha Romanov, Tony Stark, and Steve Rogers don't show up to vote.


Weedlord Bonerhitler, however, is not available for comment.
 
2013-03-06 12:45:21 PM

gingerjet: Sgt Otter: Most of the voter registration fraud comes from lazy temps, who pencil-fark their forms to keep their jobs, or pad their numbers for a bonus.  There's no political gain when newly registered voters Thor Odinsson, Bruce Banner, Natasha Romanov, Tony Stark, and Steve Rogers don't show up to vote.

What I never understood was that every voting cycle there are these massive 'register to vote' efforts by both parties - you would think that every eligible voter in the US was registered to vote at least three times over by now.


People move & have to re-register, or they turn 18 and have to register for the first time.  Also, sometimes people accidentally register as a Democrat when they clearly meant to register as a Tea Party Patriot, so that has to be fixed too.
 
2013-03-06 12:45:37 PM
Have to defend the Republicans here. According to the article, they're the ones that flagged the suspicious forms and led the police to investigate. Doesn't excuse their other ridiculous ploys at voting fraud/supression otherwise, but there's no scandal here.
 
2013-03-06 12:46:03 PM

sdd2000: gingerjet: Sgt Otter: Most of the voter registration fraud comes from lazy temps, who pencil-fark their forms to keep their jobs, or pad their numbers for a bonus.  There's no political gain when newly registered voters Thor Odinsson, Bruce Banner, Natasha Romanov, Tony Stark, and Steve Rogers don't show up to vote.

What I never understood was that every voting cycle there are these massive 'register to vote' efforts by both parties - you would think that every eligible voter in the US was registered to vote at least three times over by now.

People become newly eligible to vote all the time. I think for many it is called their eighteenth birthday. Also some other people move.


Bah.
 
2013-03-06 12:52:00 PM

hawcian: Have to defend the Republicans here. According to the article, they're the ones that flagged the suspicious forms and led the police to investigate. Doesn't excuse their other ridiculous ploys at voting fraud/supression otherwise, but there's no scandal here.



Hmm. Just like ACORN did as required by law, and was ultimately defunded for.
 
2013-03-06 12:52:44 PM
I have Republican friends who swear up and down that "VOTER FRAUD" was the only reason Obama won. Well, aside from the brown people who want "FREE STUFF" and THE LIBERAL MEDIA who unfairly focused on dumb things Republicans did while giving Obama a pass.

Yet, the overwhelming majority of voter fraud cases seem to have Republican fingerprints all over them. Plus, the only states that farked with voting rights this past election all had Republican controlled state governments.

...and Republicans wonder why their party has a 26 percent favorable public approval rating. Oh wait, that's the MEDIA's fault, too.

Go away...seriously...
 
2013-03-06 12:52:49 PM

hawcian: Have to defend the Republicans here. According to the article, they're the ones that flagged the suspicious forms and led the police to investigate. Doesn't excuse their other ridiculous ploys at voting fraud/supression otherwise, but there's no scandal here.


The exact same scenario occurred with ACORN, which is why the organization was not blamed by anyone for voter registration fraud committed by their employees.
 
2013-03-06 12:53:13 PM

MFAWG: Lionel Mandrake: NateGrey: Most of the Voter Registration Fraud comes from Republicans. They want new laws but I suspect they havent thought their cunning plans through.

The laws they propose wouldn't pose a threat to their kind of fraud.  It would only cover the made-up fraud they invented to minimize the vote of citizens that typically vote Democratic.

I don't think that's as true as Liberal Media (actual) would have you believe.


Please continue
 
2013-03-06 12:57:11 PM

BMulligan: I DNRTFA, but I knew that Nathan Sproul would be involved in the story somehow. Why this ratbastard isn't serving several consecutive 10-year terms in a medium security federal prison is a mystery to me, and has been since 2004.


Because, at this point, IOKIYAR might as well be a Constitutional Amendment.
 
2013-03-06 12:58:27 PM

Jim_Callahan: aaaaand I just double-quoted.  I fail at message boards forever.

I shall go to the corner of shame and don the shame hat now.


votklyuchke.ru

Kinky

first hit w/GIS
 
2013-03-06 01:06:11 PM

Lord_Baull: hawcian: Have to defend the Republicans here. According to the article, they're the ones that flagged the suspicious forms and led the police to investigate. Doesn't excuse their other ridiculous ploys at voting fraud/supression otherwise, but there's no scandal here.


Hmm. Just like ACORN did as required by law, and was ultimately defunded for.


FUNDING, that would be the important concept here.  We expect politicians to cheat, we get mad when they want us to pay for it.
 
2013-03-06 01:13:33 PM

Zeb Hesselgresser: Lord_Baull: hawcian: Have to defend the Republicans here. According to the article, they're the ones that flagged the suspicious forms and led the police to investigate. Doesn't excuse their other ridiculous ploys at voting fraud/supression otherwise, but there's no scandal here.


Hmm. Just like ACORN did as required by law, and was ultimately defunded for.

FUNDING, that would be the important concept here.  We expect politicians to cheat, we get mad when they want us to pay for it.



What? There was no "cheating" from ACORN. They sent out voter registration cards. Some of them came back fraudulent. They reported the fraudulent cards as required by law.
 
2013-03-06 01:14:32 PM
Dimensio:The exact same scenario occurred with ACORN, which is why the organization was not blamed by anyone for voter registration fraud committed by their employees.

Lord_Baull:Hmm. Just like ACORN did as required by law, and was ultimately defunded for.

So...you're suggesting the Democratic Party make a big deal out it and end up looking just as stupid as their Republican counterparts, or what? I didn't agree with how ACORN was handled; it was a completely manufactured scandal. I don't think there's a scandal here, either.
 
2013-03-06 01:18:53 PM
Strategic Allied Consulting was hired by Republicans to do voter registration drives in Florida and other states. But last fall, the state party fired the company and took the additional step of filing an election fraud complaint against the company with state officials.

In other words: a non-story.
 
2013-03-06 01:19:34 PM

Lord_Baull: Zeb Hesselgresser: Lord_Baull: hawcian: Have to defend the Republicans here. According to the article, they're the ones that flagged the suspicious forms and led the police to investigate. Doesn't excuse their other ridiculous ploys at voting fraud/supression otherwise, but there's no scandal here.


Hmm. Just like ACORN did as required by law, and was ultimately defunded for.

FUNDING, that would be the important concept here.  We expect politicians to cheat, we get mad when they want us to pay for it.


What? There was no "cheating" from ACORN. They sent out voter registration cards. Some of them came back fraudulent. They reported the fraudulent cards as required by law.


But regardless, ACORN was hounded by trumped-up scandal after trumped-up scandal and ultimately defunded by Congress.  Sproul will likely face no such sanctions, even though there's a fair bit of evidence the issues with Sproul are far more systemic.
 
2013-03-06 01:23:30 PM

hawcian: So...you're suggesting the Democratic Party make a big deal out it and end up looking just as stupid as their Republican counterparts, or what? I didn't agree with how ACORN was handled; it was a completely manufactured scandal. I don't think there's a scandal here, either.


xanadian: In other words: a non-story.


You two are aware that this company has been caught, fired, given a name change and re-hired multiple times, yes? Strategic Allied Consulting is what Republicans believe ACORN to be.
 
2013-03-06 01:23:47 PM
But Frederick Petti, an attorney who represents the company, said he's already been told by law-enforcement authorities that the investigation is focused on no more than six employees. He said Strategic Allied had roughly 2,000 employees in Florida and said the end result shows that the controversy was a "tempest in a teapot."

"What this comes down to is that we had had a few employees who were not good employees," Petti said. "They were filling out fake forms."


So exactly the type of shiat that became "news" for 6 months when ACORN was accused of it? Interesting...

a "tempest in a teapot."

Oh yeah, shades of ACRON again. That's funny...

"What this comes down to is that we had had a few employees who were not good employees," Petti said. "They were filling out fake forms."

Well, them AND the company's founder....

G.O.P. Operative Long Trailed by Allegations of Voter Fraud
http://www.thenation.com/blog/170198/gop-quietly-hires-firm-tied-vo ter -fraud-scandal-work-battleground-states
 
2013-03-06 01:24:35 PM

Fluorescent Testicle: hawcian: So...you're suggesting the Democratic Party make a big deal out it and end up looking just as stupid as their Republican counterparts, or what? I didn't agree with how ACORN was handled; it was a completely manufactured scandal. I don't think there's a scandal here, either.

xanadian: In other words: a non-story.

You two are aware that this company has been caught, fired, given a name change and re-hired multiple times, yes? Strategic Allied Consulting is what Republicans believe ACORN to be.


So the Republicans are accusing other people of their own crimes and sins? Must be a day that ends in y.
 
2013-03-06 01:26:52 PM
As a conservative, I think it's a shame that they only suspended these 2 guys.  They should have been prosecuted as an example to people who perpetrate voter fraud.  This just proves that we need more security around voting, like requiring ID.
 
2013-03-06 01:27:38 PM

NateGrey: Most of the Voter Registration Fraud comes from Republicans. They want new laws but I suspect they havent thought their cunning plans through.


"Strategic Allied Consulting was hired by Republicans to do voter registration drives in Florida and other states. But last fall, the state party fired the company and took the additional step of filing an election fraud complaint against the company with state officials."

Sounds like you haven't thought this one out too carefully either so zero troll points will be awarded.
 
2013-03-06 01:27:52 PM
How in the hell do you only get probation for voter registration fraud?!  I don't care if you have a criminal history or not.  These guys should be in jail, plain and simple.
 
2013-03-06 01:29:04 PM

heap: Jim_Callahan: In all fairness, we're talking about trivial numbers-padding shiat by employees here, 27 ballots suspected fraudulent from the whole company.

In 2004, a voter registration worker in Nevada hired by Sproul's firm told reporters that he had witnessed his surpervisors chucking registration forms signed by Democrats. "They were thrown away in the trash," he claimed. Sproul's canvassers in Oregon confessed to doing the same thing, and other reports emerged across several swing states. In Minnesota, workers said they were actually fired for bringing in registration forms signed by Democrats. CBS News obtained faxes showing that Sproul's firm had even impersonated the left-leaning America Votes! to organize voter registration drives at libraries.http://www.thenation.com/blog/170198/gop-quietly-hires-fir m-tied-voter -fraud-scandal-work-battleground-states#


In that case, a couple told the police in Roseburg that they had been approached by a woman outside a Walmart who asked them to register to vote. The husband, John Gomez, filled out a card registering as a Republican. His wife, Katheline, registered as a Democrat.
About a month later, Mr. Gomez received a ballot in the mail, but his wife did not, the Oregon authorities said. Her registration form seemed to have evaporated. Investigators determined that the woman who solicited the couple had been paid by Sproul & Associates.
The woman told investigators that she was paid only when she registered Republicans or those who said they would vote for President George W. Bush.   http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/05/us/politics/nathan-sproul-a-republi c an-operative-long-trailed-by-voter-fraud-claims.html?pagewanted=all&_r =0


In all fairness, we're talking about a helluva lot more than employees padding numbers.


This company also was accused of refusing to register Democrats to vote in CO.  Basically they would stand outside the grocery store, ask who you intnded to vote for, and if you said Romney, go through the steps to register you.  if you said Obama, they'd move on.

So a handful here or there isn't significant, but multiply that by hundreds and hundreds of employees and pretty soon it can make a difference.
 
2013-03-06 01:29:54 PM

Sgt Otter: NateGrey: Most of the Voter Registration Fraud comes from Republicans. They want new laws but I suspect they havent thought their cunning plans through.

Most of the voter registration fraud comes from lazy temps, who pencil-fark their forms to keep their jobs, or pad their numbers for a bonus.  There's no political gain when newly registered voters Thor Odinsson, Bruce Banner, Natasha Romanov, Tony Stark, and Steve Rogers don't show up to vote.


No. You intentionally hire bumbling halfassed poorly managed and documented/ing  voter registration "teams" (read: someone desperate for any job) so you can hide your fraud behind the equivalent of the keystone cops so that any "irregularities" that come to light have already been funneled through the said teams. This keeps your hands clean looking and puts the blame on the "team"
 
2013-03-06 01:30:12 PM

BillCo: As a conservative, I think it's a shame that they only suspended these 2 guys.  They should have been prosecuted as an example to people who perpetrate voter fraud.  This just proves that we need more security around voting, like requiring ID.


Mighty white of ya.
 
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