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2013-03-06 11:55:27 AM

FullMetalPanda: I'm sure he was going to will it to the people but died before he could update his will.

One thing, you look at him and Kim from Best Korea... they fat.  You look at Putin and he's in shape and skinny.  The skinny guy is the one you need to be afraid of in my opinion in regards to dictators for life...


Skinny guys fight 'til they're hamburger
 
2013-03-06 11:56:31 AM

TheDumbBlonde: FarkedOver: Onkel Buck: FarkedOver: Onkel Buck: FarkedOver: Onkel Buck: so you're pretty much jealous and worthless. no wonder you want something for nothing

Labor is entitled to all that it creates my friend. (Hint: Labor creates pretty much everything)

Then why do want to pay people who refuse to work?

They don't refuse.  They are unable.  You are aware that in a capitalist society unemployment is a necessity? Right?

Well that works out well for you then doesnt? It makes  plenty of  charity cases you bleeding hearts can pander too and blame mean ol rich people

I'm not a bleeding heart liberal.  I am a socialist.  I want to empower the working class.  I want to agitate the working class.

Liberals are pussies.

Wow. I always wanted to see a socialist. Post a picture, please.


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2013-03-06 12:00:19 PM

FarkedOver: JustGetItRight: FarkedOver: thought he was elected.... hmmmm I must have just imagined all those elections that he won.

You know, there's at least one other guy who was elected, but also used violence to gain and increase power, used a particular race/religion as a scapegoat for all his country's problems, hypocritically interfered with other countries, had bunch of corruption in his administration, rewrote his country's laws and still didn't follow them, shut down media outlets or simply killed those that were critical of him.

Being elected doesn't prevent one from becoming a tyrant

Too compare Chavez to "one other guy" is a littler absurd, no?


My point is that to say he was elected neither proves nor disproves the assertion that he was a tyrant.  In that discussion, it is most certainly a fair comparison.
 
2013-03-06 12:02:44 PM

uber humper: [i.imgur.com image 318x450]

I still need to see more proof for Chavez, but I don't quite doubt it.

Reminds me of Arafat of the Palensitnian LIberation Organization.  Amassed over a billion dollars, bribes and scraping from aid packages, while Palenstinians lived in shiat.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,995651,00.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18560_162-582487.html


The deal with Arafart is that while he was an evil capitalist pig, he was a moslem terrorist and therefore hated Jews.  So it was ok for him to be an evil capitalist pig.

Now I can't wait until I see the excuses the occutards will use for why it's ok for Chavez to have all that money.
 
2013-03-06 12:06:02 PM

Beeblebrox: TheDumbBlonde: FarkedOver: Onkel Buck: FarkedOver: Onkel Buck: FarkedOver: Onkel Buck: so you're pretty much jealous and worthless. no wonder you want something for nothing

Labor is entitled to all that it creates my friend. (Hint: Labor creates pretty much everything)

Then why do want to pay people who refuse to work?

They don't refuse.  They are unable.  You are aware that in a capitalist society unemployment is a necessity? Right?

Well that works out well for you then doesnt? It makes  plenty of  charity cases you bleeding hearts can pander too and blame mean ol rich people

I'm not a bleeding heart liberal.  I am a socialist.  I want to empower the working class.  I want to agitate the working class.

Liberals are pussies.

Wow. I always wanted to see a socialist. Post a picture, please.

[encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com image 259x194]


hahahahaha I miss czar
 
2013-03-06 12:08:27 PM

liam76: I am sure you are the type of guy who thinks that anybody that has more than you are the affluent, and should be willing to give it up.


Do i begrudge the small mom and pop store no.  They are just as much a part of the proletariat as any factory worker.  Do I loathe the CEO and the owners of major companies? Yes, they have made a living exploiting labor.
 
2013-03-06 12:10:17 PM
Phinn
It doesn't count as "exploitation" when both parties in a voluntary transaction realize a benefit.

Nothing in capitalism is "voluntary". Most people have to do wage-labor in order to pay rent/mortgage and buy food. We merely get the choice of masters (if we're lucky; most people take whatever work they can get).

"Exploitation" is one of those scary-sounding words that means whatever you want it to mean, as long as it's something along the lines of "bad."

If someone takes advantage of another's misfortune in order to profit, that's exploitation.

Neither you nor any other commie I've ever encountered has been able to identify exactly how, in a free market, what "situation" is being "manufactured," and show how that is wrong, unjust, inequitable, etc. But I'm always willing to hear a new attempt. Don't just say "capitalism." Be specific.

See above- taxes/mortgage/rent, mainly. Psychologically manipulative marketing. If you want to go back to the dawn of capitalism in the 16-1700s, people were driven from their land by force (for example the Enclosure movement in England; later, imperialism). Today, you have things like banks telling people to take ARMs, then jacking the rates, then telling them to stop paying in order to get an adjustment, then foreclosing because they stopped paying- keeping all the money paid AND the full value of the house. For example.
 
xcv
2013-03-06 12:12:02 PM
"there is film of the Americans landing on the moon," [Chavez] scoffed.

"Does that mean the moon shot really happened? In the film, the Yanqui flag is flying straight out. So, is there wind on the moon?"

As Chávez beamed with triumph at this logic, an awkwardness descended on my comrades, and on the conversation.
 
2013-03-06 12:14:07 PM

RanDomino: See above- taxes/mortgage/rent, mainly. Psychologically manipulative marketing. If you want to go back to the dawn of capitalism in the 16-1700s, people were driven from their land by force (for example the Enclosure movement in England; later, imperialism). Today, you have things like banks telling people to take ARMs, then jacking the rates, then telling them to stop paying in order to get an adjustment, then foreclosing because they stopped paying- keeping all the money paid AND the full value of the house. For example.


Debtors prisons are making a comeback as well.
 
2013-03-06 12:15:49 PM

FarkedOver: liam76: I am sure you are the type of guy who thinks that anybody that has more than you are the affluent, and should be willing to give it up.

Do i begrudge the small mom and pop store no.  They are just as much a part of the proletariat as any factory worker.  Do I loathe the CEO and the owners of major companies? Yes, they have made a living exploiting labor.


The mom and pop store would be the kulak you so gleefully labeled retards for not having over evertyhing they own.

If your fantasy was ever realized (communist revolution in the US) you would be in the forefront calling the blood of th emom and pop.  Luckily that will never happen.
 
2013-03-06 12:19:00 PM

FarkedOver: Onkel Buck: FarkedOver: theflatline: He won the popular vote by stealing from the rich and giving to the poor

I'm ok with this.

Im sure you have something I want but cant afford mind if I swing by later and pick it up? You worked for it and Im entitled to it

Yeah that's not how socialism works.  Socialist want to seize only that which was once used to oppress the working class.  I own no capital and have no means of oppressing a worker.  Thanks for playing though.


That implies that socialism works. First you have to define what "works" means.
 
2013-03-06 12:19:11 PM

liam76: The mom and pop store would be the kulak you so gleefully labeled retards for not having over evertyhing they own.

If your fantasy was ever realized (communist revolution in the US) you would be in the forefront calling the blood of th emom and pop. Luckily that will never happen.


I don't think that is necessarily true.  There may be some hard liners that may say that I wouldn't be one of them.  BUT to compare kulaks to mom and pop stores is not a good comparison at all.  There was very little of a capitalist economy built up in Russia at the time, there was the ending of WWI and an on-going civil war.  They needed to ramp up production and kick start an economy that didn't exist in the first place.  They had to collectivize farms for this purpose.  In the US it is a completely different scenario and the comparison is just not valid.
 
2013-03-06 12:19:48 PM

PaLarkin: Now I can't wait until I see the excuses the occutards will use for why it's ok for Chavez to have all that money.


You know what? It won't make any difference. There will always be people to drink the kool-aide -- true believers. Like I mentioned yesterday: it's amazing the reach of Chavez, all the way to American suburban teenagers. But, there is hope, most grow out of it.
 
2013-03-06 12:20:07 PM
Typical socialist, 1 for you 3 for me.
 
2013-03-06 12:21:46 PM

onyxruby: Corrupt hypocritical evil dictator is dead! Too bad I missed my dead pool pick by about two days. Now that the jackass of South America is dead perhaps peace will stand a chance down their again. We'll see if his successor is as good at kicking the hornets nest on queue as he is.


Chavez was elected. He was not a dictator. You either don't know what dictator means or you are repeating right wing ignorance. Either way you are pathetic.
 
2013-03-06 12:24:03 PM

Mija: onyxruby: Corrupt hypocritical evil dictator is dead! Too bad I missed my dead pool pick by about two days. Now that the jackass of South America is dead perhaps peace will stand a chance down their again. We'll see if his successor is as good at kicking the hornets nest on queue as he is.

Chavez was elected. He was not a dictator. You either don't know what dictator means or you are repeating right wing ignorance. Either way you are pathetic.


images.thetruthaboutcars.com
 
2013-03-06 12:24:04 PM

xcv: "there is film of the Americans landing on the moon," [Chavez] scoffed.

"Does that mean the moon shot really happened? In the film, the Yanqui flag is flying straight out. So, is there wind on the moon?"

As Chávez beamed with triumph at this logic, an awkwardness descended on my comrades, and on the conversation.


Hahahha.  Awesome.
 
2013-03-06 12:28:43 PM
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You can't be rich and help the poor routinely? Not a fan of Chavez, but that's a dopey argument.
 
2013-03-06 12:30:25 PM

Joe Blowme: Mija: onyxruby: Corrupt hypocritical evil dictator is dead! Too bad I missed my dead pool pick by about two days. Now that the jackass of South America is dead perhaps peace will stand a chance down their again. We'll see if his successor is as good at kicking the hornets nest on queue as he is.

Chavez was elected. He was not a dictator. You either don't know what dictator means or you are repeating right wing ignorance. Either way you are pathetic.

[images.thetruthaboutcars.com image 400x373]


So he wasn't elected?
 
2013-03-06 12:32:26 PM

FarkedOver: Joe Blowme: Mija: onyxruby: Corrupt hypocritical evil dictator is dead! Too bad I missed my dead pool pick by about two days. Now that the jackass of South America is dead perhaps peace will stand a chance down their again. We'll see if his successor is as good at kicking the hornets nest on queue as he is.

Chavez was elected. He was not a dictator. You either don't know what dictator means or you are repeating right wing ignorance. Either way you are pathetic.

[images.thetruthaboutcars.com image 400x373]

So he wasn't elected?


Does riggin an election really count as being elected?
 
2013-03-06 12:35:12 PM
Lots of North Americans talking about South America like they know the place.
 
2013-03-06 12:35:44 PM

Wayne 985: [encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com image 190x266]

You can't be rich and help the poor routinely? Not a fan of Chavez, but that's a dopey argument.


Not as an elected official who made his money in office.
 
2013-03-06 12:35:59 PM
He would have made a heck of a pope
 
2013-03-06 12:36:08 PM

Joe Blowme: Does riggin an election really count as being elected?


I guess it does in some parts of the world.

www.biography.com
 
2013-03-06 12:38:46 PM

RanDomino: If someone takes advantage of another's misfortune in order to profit, that's exploitation.


That sounds like awfully bad stuff, but unfortunately it has no concrete meaning.

What exactly is "taking advantage"?  All parties in all voluntary transactions seek an advantage, compared to what situation they will be in without the transaction.  That's just another word for profit or benefit.  I expect that you (and everyone I meet) are constantly seeking to benefit from decisions you make  about what to do, at any given moment.  I want you to succeed, actually -- to get whatever benefit that you want, as you define it -- as long as you don't attack (or threaten) or defraud me or anyone else.

What exactly is "misfortune"?  A disparity of wealth?  That's a constant feature of all life.  Not only does it constantly change, but wealth is largely subjective.  You might find sitting in a small college-town apartment with some buddies, strumming a guitar and eating pork rinds, to be the pinnacle of human bliss and happiness.  Others might liken that situation to being in prison.  If you enjoy what you have, then you are a wealthy man.

If one person offers another person a trade, to which either party can respond by agreeing or declining, without fear of being attacked by that other party for declining, then the trade is voluntary.  When that trade occurs, it's BECAUSE both parties expect to profit by the trade.

What exactly is wrong with profit?  As I said, in any voluntary transaction, by definition, both parties are profiting.  You seem to have an emotional attachment to one type of party (employees), and hate the other (employers), and so you reflexively conclude that one person's profit is good and just, while the other person's is wrong.  But you have completely failed to articulate a principle that show exactly why it is wrong, or to distinguish between good profits and bad profits.

I submit that acting for profit is never wrong.  It's aggressive violence that's wrong.  Of course, as Chavez shows, aggressive violence can also be extremely profitable.  But it's the aggression that's the wrongful part.

RanDomino: See above- taxes/mortgage/rent, mainly. Psychologically manipulative marketing. If you want to go back to the dawn of capitalism in the 16-1700s, people were driven from their land by force (for example the Enclosure movement in England; later, imperialism). Today, you have things like banks telling people to take ARMs, then jacking the rates, then telling them to stop paying in order to get an adjustment, then foreclosing because they stopped paying- keeping all the money paid AND the full value of the house. For example.


The act of "driving people off their land" is a problem flowing from a LACK of property rights, not from the presence of property rights.  And, yes, I would certainly agree with you that the feudal system of property that preceded an emerging free market in land was, comparably, worse.  The poor (and unfree) definition of feudal property, derived as it was by more or less constant war (i.e., theft) and de facto slavery, was economically inferior, precisely because it was unfree.

Banks today are agents of a state-sponsored cartel.  What they peddle nowadays (paper and electronic state-sponsored "money") is the diametric opposite of a free market for currency.

I'm all in favor of prohibiting deceptive trade practices, as a subset of fraud.  That has nothing to do with communism and the economic and ethical benefits of clearly-defined property rights.
 
2013-03-06 12:40:03 PM

Joe Blowme: FarkedOver: Joe Blowme: Mija: onyxruby: Corrupt hypocritical evil dictator is dead! Too bad I missed my dead pool pick by about two days. Now that the jackass of South America is dead perhaps peace will stand a chance down their again. We'll see if his successor is as good at kicking the hornets nest on queue as he is.

Chavez was elected. He was not a dictator. You either don't know what dictator means or you are repeating right wing ignorance. Either way you are pathetic.

[images.thetruthaboutcars.com image 400x373]

So he wasn't elected?

Does riggin an election really count as being elected?


Jimmy Carter says yes
 
2013-03-06 12:41:42 PM
Here is how Chavez won his elections, as anyone who has lived in Latin America can attest.

Election time is rolling around so pick up trucks filled with toys for the kiddies and chicken dinners are passed around with some money taped to the inside.  Then the day of the election the buses come and bring the people to the voting boths.

You grease the poor only slightly to buy their loyalty when it is time to vote.

Unfortunately the majority of latin americans vote not with their heads but with their nationalistic pride.  Which is the way it happens in most countries, but it is worse south of ye old border.

Ask the Farker Magorn who was shot with rubber bullets  for walking past a protest.
 
2013-03-06 12:48:23 PM

corronchilejano: Lots of North Americans talking about South America like they know the place.


You hang out at La Piscina or 49?  Or only en la zona t drinking the horrible ass BBC company swill they call beer.  Tres cordilleras de medellin es la mejor cerveza que hay en Colombia.

/Colombian
/Bogota is is much better than it was years ago
/Medellin>Bogota.
 
2013-03-06 12:50:05 PM
Far be it from me to defend an authoritarian leftist...but...

Is there any other source making this claim besides that celebrity blog thingie? Like CNN or MSNBC or whatever?
 
kgf
2013-03-06 12:50:38 PM
Some animals are more equal than others.
 
2013-03-06 12:51:16 PM

theflatline: Here is how Chavez won his elections, as anyone who has lived in Latin America can attest.

Election time is rolling around so pick up trucks filled with toys for the kiddies and chicken dinners are passed around with some money taped to the inside.  Then the day of the election the buses come and bring the people to the voting boths.

You grease the poor only slightly to buy their loyalty when it is time to vote.

Unfortunately the majority of latin americans vote not with their heads but with their nationalistic pride.  Which is the way it happens in most countries, but it is worse south of ye old border.

Ask the Farker Magorn who was shot with rubber bullets  for walking past a protest.


There is no "ye". We've been through this.
Also, what kind of voting population would be stupid enough to keep voting for someone who steals from the rich, keeps the money himself and always promises a better tomorrow? Never happened. He was a wise a benevolent leader that outwitted his oppressors at every turn. I have been to college. This is what I learned.
 
2013-03-06 12:54:17 PM

JeffDenver: Far be it from me to defend an authoritarian leftist...but...

Is there any other source making this claim besides that celebrity blog thingie? Like CNN or MSNBC or whatever?


I agree. I'd like to see a little more proof. I have a feeling it will eventually come, but this is not a good source.

BTW, don't call MSNBC credible. It's no more so than Fox.
 
2013-03-06 12:56:06 PM
...because, clearly, if he was a true champion for the poor, he would have been poor himself.  It's not like money is power or anything.
 
2013-03-06 12:57:05 PM
Hugo was just a shrewd investor.  You know, like RON PAUL.
 
2013-03-06 12:58:57 PM

FarkedOver: Joe Blowme: Does riggin an election really count as being elected?

I guess it does in some parts of the world.

[www.biography.com image 402x402]


There there now, show us on the doll where the bad man touched you.
 
2013-03-06 01:00:16 PM

uber humper: BTW, don't call MSNBC credible. It's no more so than Fox.


At this point I would settle for anything mainstream, period.

I completely believe Chavez is capable of this btw. I think it would be in character. But the article is not a terribly credible source.
 
2013-03-06 01:00:41 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: FarkedOver: Joe Blowme: Does riggin an election really count as being elected?

I guess it does in some parts of the world.

[www.biography.com image 402x402]

There there now, show us on the doll where the bad man touched you.


Right here:

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-03-06 01:06:48 PM

FarkedOver: Lt. Cheese Weasel: FarkedOver: Joe Blowme: Does riggin an election really count as being elected?

I guess it does in some parts of the world.

[www.biography.com image 402x402]

There there now, show us on the doll where the bad man touched you.

Right here:

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2013-03-06 01:08:43 PM

factoryconnection: Wat.

Chavez wanted to alleviate poverty and so he created a bunch of social programs to help the poor. He was just bad at it and a lot of his work ended up being "big idea, shoddy execution" that hasn't benefited anyone but him in the long run.

How the hell does that jib with your statement? Also: Godwinning, really?


Oh, I dunno, suppression of civil liberties, with force on occasion, among other things.  He wasn't "bad at it", he was a bad person.
 
2013-03-06 01:09:38 PM

theflatline: corronchilejano: Lots of North Americans talking about South America like they know the place.

You hang out at La Piscina or 49?  Or only en la zona t drinking the horrible ass BBC company swill they call beer.  Tres cordilleras de medellin es la mejor cerveza que hay en Colombia.

/Colombian
/Bogota is is much better than it was years ago
/Medellin>Bogota.


Didnt mean you. Someone suggested that the exito takeover was a blow to the colombian goverment, and even worse, that Chavez' death will bring "peace".
 
2013-03-06 01:12:38 PM

bhcompy: factoryconnection: Wat.

Chavez wanted to alleviate poverty and so he created a bunch of social programs to help the poor. He was just bad at it and a lot of his work ended up being "big idea, shoddy execution" that hasn't benefited anyone but him in the long run.

How the hell does that jib with your statement? Also: Godwinning, really?

Oh, I dunno, suppression of civil liberties, with force on occasion, among other things.  He wasn't "bad at it", he was a bad person.


Read what alot of people are thinking, IN Venezuela.
 
2013-03-06 01:18:11 PM
I was IN Chavez's bank vault during his last deposit.  You people have no idea what you are talking about.
 
2013-03-06 01:22:14 PM
Anytime someone says they are doing something "for" someone else "I do it for the people", "I do it for the children", "I do it  for country" they really mean I do it for my damn self and I'm probably breaking the law in doing so.
 
2013-03-06 01:22:40 PM

FarkedOver: Joe Blowme: Does riggin an election really count as being elected?

I guess it does in some parts of the world.

[www.biography.com image 402x402]


LOL this is why i have you in commie red
 
2013-03-06 01:34:47 PM

Joe Blowme: FarkedOver: Joe Blowme: Does riggin an election really count as being elected?

I guess it does in some parts of the world.

[www.biography.com image 402x402]

LOL this is why i have you in commie red


Thanks :)
 
2013-03-06 01:40:57 PM

FarkedOver: You're old, so let me explain this to you. Your old ways are dying. Hopefully sooner rather than later. Free markets are only free in the sense that they are free to exploit.


You're naive, so let me explain this to you. Your ways have been tried, and they failed.
 
2013-03-06 01:54:32 PM

give me doughnuts: FarkedOver: You're old, so let me explain this to you. Your old ways are dying. Hopefully sooner rather than later. Free markets are only free in the sense that they are free to exploit.

You're naive, so let me explain this to you. Your ways have been tried, and they failed.



But not by him and his crew. THIS time they will get it to work.
 
2013-03-06 01:57:59 PM

give me doughnuts: FarkedOver: You're old, so let me explain this to you. Your old ways are dying. Hopefully sooner rather than later. Free markets are only free in the sense that they are free to exploit.

You're naive, so let me explain this to you. Your ways have been tried, and they failed.


internut scholar: give me doughnuts: FarkedOver: You're old, so let me explain this to you. Your old ways are dying. Hopefully sooner rather than later. Free markets are only free in the sense that they are free to exploit.

You're naive, so let me explain this to you. Your ways have been tried, and they failed.


But not by him and his crew. THIS time they will get it to work.


Capitalism works great if you're in a powerful country.  Ask the people of any country rich in natural resources but lacking any semblance of a life for the people are doing.  They are exploited day in and day out so that you can rest comfortably every day and not have to think about what a shiatty place the world really is.  When people in these countries become class aware you should be scared.
 
2013-03-06 01:58:03 PM

internut scholar: give me doughnuts: FarkedOver: You're old, so let me explain this to you. Your old ways are dying. Hopefully sooner rather than later. Free markets are only free in the sense that they are free to exploit.

You're naive, so let me explain this to you. Your ways have been tried, and they failed.


But not by him and his crew. THIS time they will get it to work.



"This time he'll stop drinking and hitting me. He promised!"
 
2013-03-06 01:59:41 PM

Mija: onyxruby: Corrupt hypocritical evil dictator is dead! Too bad I missed my dead pool pick by about two days. Now that the jackass of South America is dead perhaps peace will stand a chance down their again. We'll see if his successor is as good at kicking the hornets nest on queue as he is.

Chavez was elected. He was not a dictator. You either don't know what dictator means or you are repeating right wing ignorance. Either way you are pathetic.


Man what an abrasive cawk.

I hope the anonymous tongue lashings you give on Fark make you feel better about your pathetic life.
 
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