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2013-03-06 10:23:18 AM  

Onkel Buck: FarkedOver: theflatline: He won the popular vote by stealing from the rich and giving to the poor

I'm ok with this.

Im sure you have something I want but cant afford mind if I swing by later and pick it up? You worked for it and Im entitled to it


Yeah that's not how socialism works.  Socialist want to seize only that which was once used to oppress the working class.  I own no capital and have no means of oppressing a worker.  Thanks for playing though.
 
2013-03-06 10:23:46 AM  
Neither in mourning nor celebration

When an illness becomes serious, when medical attention becomes a vehicle for myopic, politically motivated decisions and when a patient becomes drunk with power, it can only end this way. The strongman has died, and in so doing, he has initiated a substantial shift in the Venezuelan political landscape.

What used to be the regime's greatest strength has suddenly turned into its defining weakness: it was all Chávez, and, without him, the only solution is to fabricate an absolute commitment to his memory and his plans for succession. The government's true fragility can now be seen, a government which tried to demonstrate its "popular, socialist" character via a grotesque personality cult, a practice that has now been reduced to the empty invocation of spirits. The deceased himself is to blame for this outcome as the secrecy around his illness was propelled by the same motivations as the extreme centralisation of power around him, while the lack of ideological coherence amongst his followers has left them scrapping for crumbs. The high-level "rojo-rojito" [chavista red] bureaucrats and the upper echelons of the military are best placed to benefit, as they negotiate impunity for their various misdemeanours and corruptions.

For the right-wing and social democratic opposition, the new situation finds them unable to overcome their losses of the presidential elections of October 7 and the regionals of December 16, offering a "yuppy populism" which promises voters that they will maintain and fine-tune the clientelist tools of governmental power which were so useful to Chavez. This accommodation assumes the belief that a fortuitous metastasis has brought them within reach of the power that their greed, mistakes, laziness and incompetence had kept them away from, power they will wield with similar stupidity and greed as the Chavista bolibourgeoisie.
The backdrop to this load of petty opportunism - from both the Gran Polo Patriótico [the Chavista coalition] and the Mesa de Unidad Democrática [the opposition coalition] - is Venezuela, a country that faces its own problems: out of control inflation, rising unemployment and precarious jobs, the devaluation of the currency, shocking personal insecurity, crises in electricity and water provision, education and health systems in decline, a housing shortage, obsolete - or incomplete - public works, a demagogic approach which pays attention to only the most extreme scarcities experienced by the most desperate people... a whole host of other problems which are equally disastrous.

These issues are not the central concern of the two gangs in competition for Miraflores [the President palace/seat] and the oil booty. Our collective response must be to not relent to their blackmail: support at the ballot box in exchange for 'solutions' that either never materialise or are ludicrously inadequate. Now is the time to overpower the rotten powers that be and build - from below - a real democracy of equality, social justice and freedom. We must unleash the generalised anger caused by our suffering, and convert it into autonomous social struggles, self-managed and extensive. We must spell out for the politicians in power that we don't need them, neither as intermediaries nor as gracious givers of what we ourselves can construct - united and from the base - without any need for "clean hands" or "red berets".

EL LIBERTARIO Editorial Collective
 
2013-03-06 10:24:00 AM  

EyeballKid: Let's hope Venezuelans choose for their next leader an individual who has the same respect for human rights and free markets that Americans have. You know, somebody like Augusto Pinochet, or Hosni Mubarak.


Chavez had already hand-picked his successor.
 
2013-03-06 10:24:02 AM  
Communism: The Long Con.
 
2013-03-06 10:24:08 AM  

Bored Horde: What fascinates me is that we are talking about his personal failings and not the fact that he survived a coup attempt

lead a successful coup.

FTFY
 
2013-03-06 10:24:32 AM  

JackieRabbit: EyeballKid: Let's hope Venezuelans choose for their next leader an individual who has the same respect for human rights and free markets that Americans have. You know, somebody like Augusto Pinochet, or Hosni Mubarak.

Chavez had already hand-picked his successor.


And elections will be held in April.
 
2013-03-06 10:24:53 AM  
Typical leftist.

On the surface, it's all civil rights and wealth redistribution.

Underneath, pure business.

That's why they talk such a good game. Their goal is to make themselves beyond criticism so they can loot the treasury and make off with the tax money.

And most people fall for it -- that's the amazing part.
 
2013-03-06 10:24:55 AM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: When Pelosi kicks off there will be dancing in the streets!


Does steering your Hoveround back and forth, then in a circle, qualify as "dancing" now?
 
2013-03-06 10:25:04 AM  

JackieRabbit: EyeballKid: Let's hope Venezuelans choose for their next leader an individual who has the same respect for human rights and free markets that Americans have. You know, somebody like Augusto Pinochet, or Hosni Mubarak.

Chavez had already hand-picked his successor.


How Democratic of him to not bother his people with such a decision.
 
2013-03-06 10:25:10 AM  

Phinn: Communism: The Long Con.


Capitalism: Straight Up Rape
 
2013-03-06 10:27:45 AM  

FarkedOver: Onkel Buck: FarkedOver: theflatline: He won the popular vote by stealing from the rich and giving to the poor

I'm ok with this.

Im sure you have something I want but cant afford mind if I swing by later and pick it up? You worked for it and Im entitled to it

Yeah that's not how socialism works.  Socialist want to seize only that which was once used to oppress the working class.  I own no capital and have no means of oppressing a worker.  Thanks for playing though.


so you're pretty much jealous and worthless. no wonder you want something for nothing
 
2013-03-06 10:27:48 AM  

FarkedOver: Phinn: Communism: The Long Con.

Capitalism: Straight Up Rape


Better dead than red
 
2013-03-06 10:27:51 AM  

howdoibegin: Karma Chameleon: Those things don't have to be mutually exclusive, subby.

This is the fark readership we're talking about. They need exceedingly simple narratives.


And when the narratives are true, everyone wins. Except the poor. They don't win.
 
2013-03-06 10:28:23 AM  
Get off his back. He had good intentions.
 
2013-03-06 10:28:45 AM  

Onkel Buck: so you're pretty much jealous and worthless. no wonder you want something for nothing


Labor is entitled to all that it creates my friend. (Hint: Labor creates pretty much everything)
 
2013-03-06 10:29:01 AM  

spiderpaz: JackieRabbit: EyeballKid: Let's hope Venezuelans choose for their next leader an individual who has the same respect for human rights and free markets that Americans have. You know, somebody like Augusto Pinochet, or Hosni Mubarak.

Chavez had already hand-picked his successor.

How Democratic of him to not bother his people with such a decision.


Im sure he cleared it with Jimmy Carter first
 
2013-03-06 10:29:04 AM  
Ah, yes, it is now time to come up with random impressive, unsubstantiated numbers to profane a foreign politician who disagreed with certain policies endorsed by the "american" media.  This is just silly.
 
2013-03-06 10:29:23 AM  

Frank N Stein: FarkedOver: Phinn: Communism: The Long Con.

Capitalism: Straight Up Rape

Better dead than red


Nah, I'll stay red.  It's much better.
 
2013-03-06 10:30:16 AM  

FarkedOver: Onkel Buck: so you're pretty much jealous and worthless. no wonder you want something for nothing

Labor is entitled to all that it creates my friend. (Hint: Labor creates pretty much everything)


Then why do want to pay people who refuse to work?
 
2013-03-06 10:30:33 AM  

Robert1966: Why can't a billionaire champion the poor? Championing the poor isn't the same as championing poverty.


This.

Just look into our own past with Carnegie, Rockefeller, and Gates.
 
2013-03-06 10:31:08 AM  

FarkedOver: Onkel Buck: so you're pretty much jealous and worthless. no wonder you want something for nothing

Labor is entitled to all that it creates my friend. (Hint: Labor creates pretty much everything)


I like how you assume labor just magically creates itself.

/your economic theories were laughable in the 19th century. Now they're both laughable and outdated.
 
2013-03-06 10:31:16 AM  

epoc_tnac: So, does anyone in here know *why* they hate Hugo Chavez?    I'd be genuinely curious to see a list of reasons that in the other thread he was being listed alongside Saddam Hussein and Bin Laden.    Seems like a bunch of hyped-up bullshiat to me, but I'm just some ignorant guy waiting to be informed.


Curious if one of the right wingers at work will make comment on this; she's gone into anti-Chavez rants several times in the past, describing him as evil, etc.  I honestly doubt she / most people know anything about him, what he's done, what his policies are, etc.  All they know is that Fox and other right wing pundits says he's a Bad Man.

Personally?  I think he was a corrupt sack of shiat, but he was hardly evil or a dictator.   The reason there's been a lot of hate aimed at him from the US is due to him being a dick, him constantly bad mouthing the US, and that he's cost some big rich companies a lot of money.   Especially the oil industry.  Any surprise that the previous administration, full of oilmen, hated him?
 
2013-03-06 10:31:24 AM  

Onkel Buck: FarkedOver: Onkel Buck: so you're pretty much jealous and worthless. no wonder you want something for nothing

Labor is entitled to all that it creates my friend. (Hint: Labor creates pretty much everything)

Then why do want to pay people who refuse to work?


They don't refuse.  They are unable.  You are aware that in a capitalist society unemployment is a necessity? Right?
 
2013-03-06 10:32:26 AM  
A homeless guy asked me if he could have my fries, and I told him to screw off. I would look like a hypocrite if a wealthy guy like me helped out someone less fortunate, unless I gave away everything I own.
 
2013-03-06 10:32:39 AM  

Frank N Stein: FarkedOver: Onkel Buck: so you're pretty much jealous and worthless. no wonder you want something for nothing

Labor is entitled to all that it creates my friend. (Hint: Labor creates pretty much everything)

I like how you assume labor just magically creates itself.

/your economic theories were laughable in the 19th century. Now they're both laughable and outdated.


I'm happy you enjoy your wage slave existence.
 
2013-03-06 10:33:24 AM  

epoc_tnac: JohnAnnArbor: epoc_tnac: So, does anyone in here know *why* they hate Hugo Chavez?    I'd be genuinely curious to see a list of reasons that in the other thread he was being listed alongside Saddam Hussein and Bin Laden.    Seems like a bunch of hyped-up bullshiat to me, but I'm just some ignorant guy waiting to be informed.

Well, for one, he had his legislature repeatedly pass "enabling laws" that allowed him to rule by decree.  Chavez signed a paper--new law.  No vote.

Imagine if the Congress did that for a US president.  (Thankfully, I have a little faith left in the system and believe that most Congresscritters, even of the same party, would vote against such a measure.)

Okay, well that's a start.  Let's go all out and say he changed the law to make himself a dictator.  And then, what evil deeds did he get up to with his new powers?  If you want to be part of the modern-day axis of evil, it's not enough to just change the law to give you the *ability* to be evil.  You have to actually do something evil.

So - let's hear it.


Silly me, I thought deomcracy was a good thing and unilaterally grabbing power was in of itself bad.
 
2013-03-06 10:34:25 AM  
This has just gotta be true coz its on the internet, right?
 
2013-03-06 10:35:22 AM  

FarkedOver: Onkel Buck: FarkedOver: Onkel Buck: so you're pretty much jealous and worthless. no wonder you want something for nothing

Labor is entitled to all that it creates my friend. (Hint: Labor creates pretty much everything)

Then why do want to pay people who refuse to work?

They don't refuse.  They are unable.  You are aware that in a capitalist society unemployment is a necessity? Right?


Well that works out well for you then doesnt? It makes  plenty of  charity cases you bleeding hearts can pander too and blame mean ol rich people
 
2013-03-06 10:35:23 AM  
I'm always a little skeptical about these kinds of reports, considering it's in the US's best interest to vilify any successful attempt at social reform that benefits the poor for fear it might spread here as well.

BTW, did anyone bother to look up the source of this guy's information?

http://sites.google.com/a/cjiausa.us/www/

Seems legit.
 
2013-03-06 10:36:22 AM  

Onkel Buck: FarkedOver: Onkel Buck: FarkedOver: Onkel Buck: so you're pretty much jealous and worthless. no wonder you want something for nothing

Labor is entitled to all that it creates my friend. (Hint: Labor creates pretty much everything)

Then why do want to pay people who refuse to work?

They don't refuse.  They are unable.  You are aware that in a capitalist society unemployment is a necessity? Right?

Well that works out well for you then doesnt? It makes  plenty of  charity cases you bleeding hearts can pander too and blame mean ol rich people


I'm not a bleeding heart liberal.  I am a socialist.  I want to empower the working class.  I want to agitate the working class.

Liberals are pussies.
 
2013-03-06 10:37:31 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: jehovahs witness protection: Saw a couple of idiots who were saddened by the loss of "such a great man"
When somebody pointed out the dictator part they turned it in to the silliest thing ever.
YOU HAVE CHAVEZ BECAUSE HE WAS BLACK! YOU RACIST!!!!!

Are you trying to get people to make fun of you?  You're not very competent at trolling lately.


Not trolling. Just repeating what idiots said. Are you stupid enough to agree with them?
 
2013-03-06 10:38:38 AM  

So basically Chavez was known for putting more and more private enterprise under Government Control.


Huh.....

 
2013-03-06 10:40:11 AM  

FarkedOver: Onkel Buck: FarkedOver: Onkel Buck: FarkedOver: Onkel Buck: so you're pretty much jealous and worthless. no wonder you want something for nothing

Labor is entitled to all that it creates my friend. (Hint: Labor creates pretty much everything)

Then why do want to pay people who refuse to work?

They don't refuse.  They are unable.  You are aware that in a capitalist society unemployment is a necessity? Right?

Well that works out well for you then doesnt? It makes  plenty of  charity cases you bleeding hearts can pander too and blame mean ol rich people

I'm not a bleeding heart liberal.  I am a socialist.  I want to empower the working class.  I want to agitate the working class.

Liberals are pussies.


Wow. I always wanted to see a socialist. Post a picture, please.
 
2013-03-06 10:40:41 AM  

FarkedOver: Frank N Stein: FarkedOver: Onkel Buck: so you're pretty much jealous and worthless. no wonder you want something for nothing

Labor is entitled to all that it creates my friend. (Hint: Labor creates pretty much everything)

I like how you assume labor just magically creates itself.

/your economic theories were laughable in the 19th century. Now they're both laughable and outdated.

I'm happy you enjoy your wage slave existence.


Lol. The "Wage slave" line. It's really like you're 17 and read your first socialist pamphlet.
 
2013-03-06 10:41:00 AM  

FarkedOver: Onkel Buck: FarkedOver: Onkel Buck: FarkedOver: Onkel Buck: so you're pretty much jealous and worthless. no wonder you want something for nothing

Labor is entitled to all that it creates my friend. (Hint: Labor creates pretty much everything)

Then why do want to pay people who refuse to work?

They don't refuse.  They are unable.  You are aware that in a capitalist society unemployment is a necessity? Right?

Well that works out well for you then doesnt? It makes  plenty of  charity cases you bleeding hearts can pander too and blame mean ol rich people

I'm not a bleeding heart liberal.  I am a socialist.  I want to empower the working class.  I want to agitate the working class.

Liberals are pussies.


I figured if we went around and around long enough we would agree on something
 
2013-03-06 10:42:18 AM  
FarkedOver
Yeah that's not how socialism works. Socialist want to seize only that which was once used to oppress the working class.

'A Kulak is anyone who has enough to eat'.
 
2013-03-06 10:43:26 AM  

RanDomino: FarkedOver
Yeah that's not how socialism works. Socialist want to seize only that which was once used to oppress the working class.

'A Kulak is anyone who has enough to eat'.


A Kulak would cut their own animals throats and burn their own grain before collectivization.  It's not my fault they were retards.
 
2013-03-06 10:43:48 AM  
This sort of thing might be why some people think old Huge was a bit flaky a la the Kim trinity:

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/fighting_words/2010/ 08 /hugo_boss.single.html

Whilst Hitchens also had his blind spots, it's an interesting read.
 
2013-03-06 10:44:11 AM  

Frank N Stein: FarkedOver: Frank N Stein: FarkedOver: Onkel Buck: so you're pretty much jealous and worthless. no wonder you want something for nothing

Labor is entitled to all that it creates my friend. (Hint: Labor creates pretty much everything)

I like how you assume labor just magically creates itself.

/your economic theories were laughable in the 19th century. Now they're both laughable and outdated.

I'm happy you enjoy your wage slave existence.

Lol. The "Wage slave" line. It's really like you're 17 and read your first socialist pamphlet.


Ok.  Thanks for posting. I guess?
 
2013-03-06 10:44:46 AM  

Onkel Buck: Liberals are pussies.

I figured if we went around and around long enough we would agree on something


haha :)
 
2013-03-06 10:44:56 AM  

TheDumbBlonde: FarkedOver: Onkel Buck: FarkedOver: Onkel Buck: FarkedOver: Onkel Buck: so you're pretty much jealous and worthless. no wonder you want something for nothing

Labor is entitled to all that it creates my friend. (Hint: Labor creates pretty much everything)

Then why do want to pay people who refuse to work?

They don't refuse.  They are unable.  You are aware that in a capitalist society unemployment is a necessity? Right?

Well that works out well for you then doesnt? It makes  plenty of  charity cases you bleeding hearts can pander too and blame mean ol rich people

I'm not a bleeding heart liberal.  I am a socialist.  I want to empower the working class.  I want to agitate the working class.

Liberals are pussies.

Wow. I always wanted to see a socialist. Post a picture, please.


Link

/couldn't help myself. I have a sudden Tea Party Moment -- not wait, it was just gas pain
 
2013-03-06 10:45:23 AM  

Electrify: A homeless guy asked me if he could have my fries, and I told him to screw off. I would look like a hypocrite if a wealthy guy like me helped out someone less fortunate, unless I gave away everything I own.


A better analogy would be if 1 million homeless guys asked you for fries, so you used an army of homeless guys to kill the owner of the french fry plant, took over $1 billion of his assets for yourself, and then gave all the homeless people french fries, while destroying the economy.
 
2013-03-06 10:45:51 AM  

RanDomino: FarkedOver
Yeah that's not how socialism works. Socialist want to seize only that which was once used to oppress the working class.

'A Kulak is anyone who has enough to eat'.


I hope you are trotting out that line to show how stupid his thinking is.

Knowing you, probably not.
 
2013-03-06 10:48:11 AM  
Want a real champion of the poor? Try the president of Uruguay.
 
2013-03-06 10:49:27 AM  

FarkedOver: RanDomino: FarkedOver
Yeah that's not how socialism works. Socialist want to seize only that which was once used to oppress the working class.

'A Kulak is anyone who has enough to eat'.

A Kulak would cut their own animals throats and burn their own grain before collectivization.  It's not my fault they were retards.


If you htink a farmer can't own his own cow, or profit fromt he toil on his own land you aren't a socialist, but a communist.
 
2013-03-06 10:49:44 AM  
www.pbs.org

A Kulak would cut their own animals throats and burn their own grain before collectivization. It's not my fault they were retards.

-Joseph Stalin
 
2013-03-06 10:49:55 AM  

liam76: Silly me, I thought deomcracy was a good thing and unilaterally grabbing power was in of itself bad.


Yes, you have a point, but it's not enough to put someone on a list of the world's most despised leaders.  Unless your country has a farkton of oil.

So it really comes down to 'we normally wouldn't give a shiat about your corrupt practices but we really want you oil so we're going to label you one of the worst people in the world (not to mention try and fail to overthrow you after you were democratically elected.)
 
2013-03-06 10:51:27 AM  

liam76: If you htink a farmer can't own his own cow, or profit fromt he toil on his own land you aren't a socialist, but a communist.


I'm glad you fully understand the end goal of socialism.
 
2013-03-06 10:52:03 AM  

halfof33: [www.pbs.org image 275x354]

A Kulak would cut their own animals throats and burn their own grain before collectivization. It's not my fault they were retards.

-Joseph Stalin


Nah, that could have been any Bolshevik.
 
2013-03-06 10:55:47 AM  

halfof33: [www.pbs.org image 275x354]

A Kulak would cut their own animals throats and burn their own grain before collectivization. It's not my fault they were retards.

-Joseph Stalin


I like young, bank robber Stalin better.

t0.gstatic.com
 
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