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(Fox News)   This could be it, folks: Sequestergate. Leaked email shows that Obama has been deliberately trying to make the sequester a bad thing   (foxnews.com) divider line 107
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2013-03-06 09:17:16 AM
11 votes:
The sequester is a bad thing, subby.  That was the whole point.  It was supposed to be such an obviously bad idea that would hurt everyone that it would force Congress to work together to find a better alternative.  Unfortunately, the Tea Party found out that it was a bad idea that Obama didn't want so they figured "go for it!"  They did this because they are stupid.
2013-03-06 09:41:11 AM
7 votes:

BillCo: Whatever happened to the concept of leadership?


the President can't force the GOP in congress to stop acting like idiots.  this is what you guys wanted and well...you won.  step up and claim your reward.
2013-03-06 09:07:01 AM
7 votes:
Well, sequester really is a bad thing, and anyone who thinks that blindly cutting our way to prosperity isn't a bad thing should be smacked around with my furlough notice

Take a 20% pay cut and get back to me how your spending isn't affected by it
2013-03-06 09:09:14 AM
6 votes:
so basically it goes like this:

GOP: 'we love spending cuts.  spending cuts are GREAT!  [arranges sequester].  oh yeah, this is gonna be AWESOME!'
Obama: 'um...this isn't necessary. we can find other ways to cut spending and minimize the impact on the poor and middle class.'
GOP: 'SPENDING CUTS NAOW!'
Obama: 'but...
GOP: CUTS NAOW!'
Obama: fine.  its your budget, you live with it.
GOP: 'hey, wait!  people are mad at us!  OBAMA!  THIS IS YOUR FAULT!  GOTDAMN YOUUUUUUUUUU!'
2013-03-06 09:42:32 AM
4 votes:

I_C_Weener: now it is time for the Democrats to give in on spending cuts.


It's like the $2.8T in spending cuts signed already into law don't even exist.
2013-03-06 09:39:50 AM
4 votes:

BunkoSquad: Weaver95: at this point i'm not even sure what the GOP thinks Obama has done wrong.

I'm pretty sure it has something to do with him being n***ardly with public monies.


Limbaugh said something yesterday that I couldn't wrap my head around.  he accused Obama of 'not cooperating' with the GOP.  this is after he's spent what? the past 4 years SCREAMING at the GOP not to make deals with Obama on anything or he'd come after 'em.  So how is Obama supposed to cooperate with the GOP when the entire GOP has been told NOT to cooperate with Obama under any circumstances...?

And Limbaugh isn't alone in this.  to a greater or lesser extent that's been a common theme among the GOP media machines for the past couple weeks.  don't deal with Obama but make sure to blame him for not being cooperative or bipartisan.
2013-03-06 09:28:52 AM
4 votes:

somedude210: Well, sequester really is a bad thing, and anyone who thinks that blindly cutting our way to prosperity isn't a bad thing should be smacked around with my furlough notice

Take a 20% pay cut and get back to me how your spending isn't affected by it


Those of us in the private sector have been dealing with that for years now.
2013-03-06 09:28:39 AM
4 votes:

JerseyTim: I feel like we're spending about 99.9% of the time arguing about why there is a sequester and who is responsible and .1% of the time trying to do something about it.


Which we wouldn't have to if Boehner hadn't decided to rewrite history and the media let him.
2013-03-06 09:23:20 AM
4 votes:

FloydA: The sequester is a bad thing, subby.  That was the whole point.  It was supposed to be such an obviously bad idea that would hurt everyone that it would force Congress to work together to find a better alternative.  Unfortunately, the Tea Party found out that it was a bad idea that Obama didn't want so they figured "go for it!"  They did this because they are stupid.


When you run on cutting taxes and you've cut all the taxes, the only thing left is to watch the world burn

/or compromise
//but that's blasphemy
2013-03-06 11:18:50 AM
3 votes:

AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe: A: D=Good
B: R=Bad
C: Everything is still Bush's fault
D: You will be assimilated
E: You will be ostracized if you don't conform to A, B & C not wishing to become D.


only those that don't actually have an educated sense of the world and know what the fark is going on comes to such near sighted conclusions

/moderate republican
//my party makes me sick
///does that make me a bad person?
2013-03-06 10:39:03 AM
3 votes:

clane: If Obama doesn't get his way he acts like the spoiled liberal Socialist brat that he is.
This was not even a cut but i am sure you don't even know that...
He lied over and over again trying to hide that this was his idea...


how is this not a cut? We aren't spending nearly as much as we were, we've stopped putting money to certain things. Is that not a definition of a cut?

this idea was brought about by the supercommittee as a way to bring both sides together and keep them from farking this economy up. Obviously, one side didn't care.

So what lies are we being told?
2013-03-06 10:30:30 AM
3 votes:

Bloody William: Raharu: But Tony, according to you, "he's going to be Impeached because he's not a REAL president anyway, and just the House-Negro in chief"

Did he really say that?


YES
2013-03-06 10:17:21 AM
3 votes:

tony41454: The President has the power to choose where to make these cuts. He wants to punish the American people as much as possible so he can blame others. WORST PRESIDENT IN AMERICAN HISTORY.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/mar/5/email-tells-feds-make -s equester-painful-promised/




But Tony, according to you, "he's going to be Impeached because he's not a REAL president anyway, and just the House-Negro in chief"
2013-03-06 10:14:22 AM
3 votes:

Headso: No shiat they are playing politics over it, that's what politicians do.


ya know, the other possibility here is that Obama simply decided to get the hell outta the way and let the GOP fall flat on their faces yet again.  if I were the GOP that'd make me mad as hell.
2013-03-06 09:59:09 AM
3 votes:

BillCo: It's pretty sad when the President of the United States resorts to such childish tactics to scare the American people. Whatever happened to the concept of leadership?


Congress wrote the law. Congress passed the law.

Congress could have repealed the law last week by passing a one sentence bill,
2013-03-06 09:52:30 AM
3 votes:
now it is time for the Democrats to give in on spending cuts.

is this a farking joke holy shiattttttt
2013-03-06 09:47:21 AM
3 votes:

BunkoSquad: Weaver95: And Limbaugh isn't alone in this. to a greater or lesser extent that's been a common theme among the GOP media machines for the past couple weeks. don't deal with Obama but make sure to blame him for not being cooperative or bipartisan.

It's what you have to do, I guess, when you literally have no ideas of your own.


yeah, but voters (especially the younger ones) are starting to get smart with information processing.  we can SEE the lies.  once they get posted online somewhere you can't go back and erase it and pretend you weren't trolling the country.  For all their problems the Democrats seemed to have grasped the implications of the internet and what it means for their media relations efforts - don't get caught being a hypocritical bastard is a good rule in life to have and so far the Dems seemed to have learned it very well.  the GOP tho?  f*ck man...they just don't care.  they practically ooze hypocrisy and contempt then expect nobody to notice?!  I can't tell if they're insane or merely hyper-arrogant....
2013-03-06 09:47:06 AM
3 votes:
What's funny is that by the time they find something that actually IS scandalous, the whole nation will collectively yawn because we're all bored with hearing how everything is a scandal.
2013-03-06 09:36:39 AM
3 votes:

BillCo: Whatever happened to the concept of leadership?


HA! Take a look at who's in charge of passing a budget and tell me what happened to leadership. Boehner is up there with Newt in terms of the worst Speakers we've ever had.

The cuts are real, the effects are real and you're an idiot for not understanding how less pay affects how things are bought.

/that apartment I was gearing up to move into this summer looks to be on hold now
2013-03-06 09:29:41 AM
3 votes:
It's called the Washington Memorial Strategy.

And, we really don't need the memo to prove that Obama is engaging in it.  He shut down tours of the White House for fark's sake.  Can't get much more transparent than that.  He is doing everything in his power to make the American public think that this is still the end of the world.

It's pretty sad when the President of the United States resorts to such childish tactics to scare the American people.  Whatever happened to the concept of leadership?
2013-03-06 09:25:54 AM
3 votes:
I feel like we're spending about 99.9% of the time arguing about why there is a sequester and who is responsible and .1% of the time trying to do something about it.
2013-03-06 09:19:36 AM
3 votes:
The talking points are always a little confusing, but lately they're just flat contradictory. The sequester is and isn't bad, but the government is hoarding bullets to shoot patriots who riot because of the sequester, but the GOP wanted to cut spending the whole time, but it's Obama's fault. There, did I cover all the salient points?
2013-03-06 09:14:42 AM
3 votes:
Funny, it was Fox and Boehner leading the cry of doom a week ago.
2013-03-06 12:56:59 PM
2 votes:

MattStafford: I honestly don't understand how so many people can be so willfully ignorant of an obvious truth.  If you borrow money, you better use it for something good, or it is going to suck when you have to pay it back.  The fact that you might be a sovereign country has no bearing on that universal, immutable truth.


I think I can help you here. You see, you're not actually very smart.
2013-03-06 10:32:27 AM
2 votes:
www.bartcop.com
2013-03-06 10:31:42 AM
2 votes:
I'm also getting a kick on how people think these cuts won't extend into the private sector. It isn't like the government doesn't utilize private goods or services and their employees utilize special government stores.
2013-03-06 10:30:52 AM
2 votes:

youmightberight: somedude210: Well, sequester really is a bad thing, and anyone who thinks that blindly cutting our way to prosperity isn't a bad thing should be smacked around with my furlough notice

Take a 20% pay cut and get back to me how your spending isn't affected by it


I did. Three years ago. It's about time the fed caught up to the fact that most of america is broke and so are they.


Ya know, that might not be the best economic policy during a recession.  It's been covered in practically every thread, especially those with Matt Stafford, but effective recession-based economic policy involves the fed spending money, even if it has to borrow it, to stimulate growth.  Once the economy gets back on its feet as it's just starting to do now (see recovering housing market, DJI peak), spending should start to decrease while revenue increases due to more people paying more taxes.  Then government should repay debt.
2013-03-06 10:30:30 AM
2 votes:

jaybeezey: Get a real job in the private sector.


explain to me how what I do isn't a real job just because it's a public sector job
2013-03-06 10:27:09 AM
2 votes:

jaybeezey: somedude210: Well, sequester really is a bad thing, and anyone who thinks that blindly cutting our way to prosperity isn't a bad thing should be smacked around with my furlough notice

Take a 20% pay cut and get back to me how your spending isn't affected by it

Get a real job in the private sector.


The guys at the top of the food chain who watched their profits reach record levels are laughing at this line of thinking. Dance puppet, dance!
2013-03-06 10:25:51 AM
2 votes:

somedude210: Well, sequester really is a bad thing, and anyone who thinks that blindly cutting our way to prosperity isn't a bad thing should be smacked around with my furlough notice

Take a 20% pay cut and get back to me how your spending isn't affected by it



I did. Three years ago. It's about time the fed caught up to the fact that most of america is broke and so are they.
2013-03-06 10:15:37 AM
2 votes:

tony41454: The President has the power to choose where to make these cuts. He wants to punish the American people as much as possible so he can blame others. WORST PRESIDENT IN AMERICAN HISTORY.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/mar/5/email-tells-feds-make -s equester-painful-promised/


Nope. Congress specified across-the-board cuts.

Here is the language from the law:
"Each non-exempt account within a category shall be reduced by a dollar amount calculated by multiplying the enacted level of sequestrable budgetary resources in that account at that time by the uniform percentage necessary to eliminate a breach within that category."

/ Protip: The Washington Times is not a credible source.
2013-03-06 10:10:34 AM
2 votes:

jehovahs witness protection: But lazy government employees with outrageous perks paid for by people in the private sector are more important because FARK YOU.


what outrageous perks that private sector doesn't get?
2013-03-06 10:06:39 AM
2 votes:
Obama will never be elected again.
2013-03-06 10:02:38 AM
2 votes:

I_C_Weener: I_C_Weener: St_Francis_P: The talking points are always a little confusing, but lately they're just flat contradictory. The sequester is and isn't bad, but the government is hoarding bullets to shoot patriots who riot because of the sequester, but the GOP wanted to cut spending the whole time, but it's Obama's fault. There, did I cover all the salient points?

It was Obama's idea.  It was designed to punish, not cut.  It has military spending cuts in it (not just cuts to future increases) and yet the Democrats aren't happy with that either.

Now, I think we've got it.

Oh, and Republicans already gave in on Tax Increases, now it is time for the Democrats to give in on spending cuts.


You are everything that is wrong with this website.
2013-03-06 10:02:18 AM
2 votes:

I_C_Weener: somedude210: Well, sequester really is a bad thing, and anyone who thinks that blindly cutting our way to prosperity isn't a bad thing should be smacked around with my furlough notice

Take a 20% pay cut and get back to me how your spending isn't affected by it

Those of us in the private sector have been dealing with that for years now.


We also make more for doing the same jobs. But you already knew that, because if you didn't you'd be taking that sweet free government ride, right? Because it's so awesome?
2013-03-06 09:49:30 AM
2 votes:

unlikely: What's funny is that by the time they find something that actually IS scandalous, the whole nation will collectively yawn because we're all bored with hearing how everything is a scandal.


See: al-Awlaki.
2013-03-06 09:44:48 AM
2 votes:

vernonFL: BillCo: Whatever happened to the concept of leadership?

I thought Obama was leading us to ruin?

Last week, he was leading us straight to hell,  this week, he isn't leading enough.


to be fair, he suffers from Quantum Republicanism, where all is as it seems while nothing at all at the same time
2013-03-06 09:35:07 AM
2 votes:

I_C_Weener: somedude210: Well, sequester really is a bad thing, and anyone who thinks that blindly cutting our way to prosperity isn't a bad thing should be smacked around with my furlough notice

Take a 20% pay cut and get back to me how your spending isn't affected by it

Those of us in the private sector have been dealing with that for years now.


Which gives you the right to inflict it on other people?  That's your governing philosophy?  Screw over other people's lives?  That makes you a shiatty supervillain, the kind that gets knocked out 10 minutes into the story, not any kind of rational person.
2013-03-06 09:31:32 AM
2 votes:

I_C_Weener: Those of us in the private sector have been dealing with that for years now.


you also, in theory, get paid a lot better than those of us in government

/we're just a bit more secure in our jobs
2013-03-06 09:30:09 AM
2 votes:

St_Francis_P: The talking points are always a little confusing, but lately they're just flat contradictory. The sequester is and isn't bad, but the government is hoarding bullets to shoot patriots who riot because of the sequester, but the GOP wanted to cut spending the whole time, but it's Obama's fault. There, did I cover all the salient points?


It was Obama's idea.  It was designed to punish, not cut.  It has military spending cuts in it (not just cuts to future increases) and yet the Democrats aren't happy with that either.

Now, I think we've got it.
2013-03-06 02:14:31 PM
1 votes:

Biological Ali: clane: Fox said Romney won the election? umm ok So that Benghazi thing, yea innocent people died because Obama couldn't take time from his golf outing but hey they were just little people so your liberal left media says let's just go on about our business and pretend it didn't happen. my god NBC and CNN lies more times a day than i can count and you have to go back 30 years to think of something...

How has this troll not been permabanned yet?


because he's an idiot but not ban worthy yet
2013-03-06 02:08:13 PM
1 votes:

Ctrl-Alt-Del: somedude210: So I ask again, what the fark have you done with your skills?

To be fair, he did manage to get a big fat hook in your lip


I could just be pissed and took my anger out on him, because why not. He's a dumbass and needed a dressing down
2013-03-06 02:08:02 PM
1 votes:

Philip Francis Queeg: How do tax rates indicate anything, positive or negative on the productivity of those who have benefited from the social safety net?


They don't, I retract that statement.
2013-03-06 02:07:19 PM
1 votes:

clane: NBC said the sequester was going to result in "DEEP CUTS" Fox said it's not cuts at all... hmmm who lied?

\sadly you can lead a hore to water...


okay, so if no services are affected by say...May? Is Fox still gonna be right?
2013-03-06 02:07:14 PM
1 votes:

Zasteva: Yet if you assign borrowing amongst all programs, across the board, then you cannot borrow money for productive programs, because you will also be borrowing for unproductive programs.

In short, you are saying we shouldn't borrow money, and putting the "expect on productive programs" is just a feel good words that hides what you are really saying, probably even from yourself.


Actually, saying it like that, I do see what you are saying, and I agree with it.

I guess a better way to phrase it would be that our total borrowing should never exceed the total cost of our productive programs.
2013-03-06 02:00:40 PM
1 votes:

AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe: I love the fark politics tab.  Especially the "total farkers"  It's the only place on the Internet where one can see people writhing in pain over their financial failure in life while spending $5/month to complain about not having any money.  Hey?  Maybe if you learned a TRADE rather then going to some community college (probably online while eating Cheetos in yer mommy's basement) to earn a worthless "degree", you coulda made something of yourselves?  Ever think of that?  Or are y'all too good to get yer hands dirty?  "But-but-but, I have a degree!"  Guess what, stupid?  So do the other 150 people who applied for this job.  What I need to know is do you have any SKILLS?  No?  Bye.


that's one of the dumbest things I've ever seen posted in the fark politics tab....and I've been here a LONG time!
2013-03-06 02:00:12 PM
1 votes:

AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe: I love the fark politics tab.  Especially the "total farkers"  It's the only place on the Internet where one can see people writhing in pain over their financial failure in life while spending $5/month to complain about not having any money.  Hey?  Maybe if you learned a TRADE rather then going to some community college (probably online while eating Cheetos in yer mommy's basement) to earn a worthless "degree", you coulda made something of yourselves?  Ever think of that?  Or are y'all too good to get yer hands dirty?  "But-but-but, I have a degree!"  Guess what, stupid?  So do the other 150 people who applied for this job.  What I need to know is do you have any SKILLS?  No?  Bye.


You have a problem with engineers? Really? Is that not good enough of a degree for you? You have any idea what skills and abilities go into engineering? You understand why engineers despise people like you? because you have no ability to reason, to problem solve, to figure out what problems people like you cause and why people like you are always the last to figure it out. We don't need worthless people like you, you know why? Because people like you got us into this mess, they're the ones that refused to give us a livable wage so that we had to get degrees to prove our "worth" so we can make enough to survive in this world you've created. I have a degree and I get my hands dirty. I work with men and women who's purpose is protecting people, whether it's hiding them in plain sight or keeping them from getting severely injured when pieces of lead fly into them, they are the people that do good and they are the people who have purpose in life. Unlike you, you bloodsucking leech. What the fark have you done in this miserable existence of your hellish life? Huh? Nothing. You haven't done a damn thing worthwhile in life. You have never ended a day satisfied that you've made a difference in the world. Maybe not to a grand scale, but even a small difference in your little corner of the world, that benefits more than your money-grubbing hands.

So I ask again, what the fark have you done with your skills? Eh? Nothing? You've kept yourself alive? Well lad-de-da, welcome to the rest of the world, you pain in my goddamn ass. Why don't you go crawl in a hole somewhere and contemplate the meaning of life, cause you sure as shiat not proven to me that you have any meaning in life, you just want to shiat on everyone else trying to make a difference in this world. So fark you, you piece of crap. The world needs less assholes like you
2013-03-06 01:50:03 PM
1 votes:

MattStafford: KhanAidan: Just to play a bit of Devil's Advocate here, you're assuming there are no spillover effects from a person's choice of consumption. That's a fairly heroic assumption you are making. If you consider the possibility of spillovers, it no longer becomes a black and white issue for the effects of consumption on future growth.

You are correct.  It is possible that if the government borrows money and gives it to JoeBlow, and JoeBlow buys an Xbox, Microsoft might use that 100 to invest in new technology, and revolutionize our life.  But if you are trying to get me to subscribe to an economic theory, and that assumption is pivotal to the success of your policies, I'm going to keep looking.


Wait...are you suggesting that consumer choice has no impact on firm budgeting decisions?  Because once again, that's a far more heroic assumption to make than my point that there is at least some form of spillover/externality effect tied to consumption.  I think it'd be far more prudent to go with the least restrictive assumptions when considering policy analysis.
2013-03-06 01:38:52 PM
1 votes:

MattStafford: BeesNuts: In the context of macroeconomic growth. Big V. Value.

Some people define the value of a good by the amount of money other people are willing to pay for it. Other people define the value of a good by the amount of labor it commands. This is important to the remainder of this discussion.

The value of a good or service is dependent on the rate a free market would set for that good or service.  Easy to conceptualize wrt a cheeseburger or Xbox, but a bit tougher for something like the Interstate System or a police force.


OK then.  I disagree.  I subscribe to the notion that value is determined specifically and only by the amount of labor it commands.  Removing money and market rates from the equation.  As an example, a crap ton of silver was discovered in the turn of the 18th century as a result of exploration in the America's.  Most of this silver found its way back to Europe.  Most of Europe's currency was based on silver.  As the real amount of silver increased, their currencies deflated relative to the amount of labor they commanded, but not in relation to the market value of silver.  Put another way, the amount of labor commanded by a unit of that currency increased while no apparent change in the relationship of the value of the currency and the value of the commodity whence the currency was derived occurred anywhere in Europe.  The VALUE of silver would appear to have decreased, in your definition, whereas in mine, the VALUE of silver increased, as the same quantity of silver, represented by a certain quantity of currency, would command a larger amount of labor in the market.

Beef didn't get cheaper.  Nor did the labor that produced it.  The value of the currency that purchased it however, did.

Police, to use your example, are unproductive labor, in this construction.  They provide no value as their economic activity neither increases the value of capital stock by cultivating land or accounts, nor the value of raw goods by turning them into manufactured goods, nor the value of manufactures by transporting them to areas of increased demand.

However, an Interstate System, and the labor that produces it provides direct value to goods by facilitating their transportation to areas of increased demand, the latter method production mentioned above.  As a result, it becomes a much more straightforward discussion than the one you are apparently trying to have.  I think this is why you stray and are confused.  You are working with a faulty definition.

If any of this sounds familiar, it is because I'm not the one who came up with it.  Adam "The Father of Capitalism" Smith did.

If *none* of this sounds familiary, I strongly recommend you read Wealth of Nations cover to cover.  Wait 6 months.  Then read Wealth of Nations cover to cover *again*.
2013-03-06 01:38:27 PM
1 votes:

MattStafford: Some people define the value of a good by the amount of money other people are willing to pay for it. Other people define the value of a good by the amount of labor it commands. This is important to the remainder of this discussion.

The value of a good or service is dependent on the rate a free market would set for that good or service.  Easy to conceptualize wrt a cheeseburger or Xbox, but a bit tougher for something like the Interstate System or a police force.


It sounds like your answer to his question is "amount of money".

I think your answer is fine, but if you rely on the free market to set value then you run into two problems.

1) A true free market requires an absence of both externalized costs and coercion. It also requires that the costs and benefits are known. There are a great many things for which that is not true, especially when you start talking about social programs. Depending on the people involved, it might not even be true for a cheeseburger or an Xbox.

2) Value is different for each person. If it weren't, transactions would never happen. In a free market transaction the trade happens because the Value of the item received is greater than the Value of the item given up, for both parties to the transaction. That can only happen if the Value of at least one of the items is different for both people. So by definition, money can't accurately represent value, it can only approximate it.
2013-03-06 01:36:48 PM
1 votes:
I love the fark politics tab.  Especially the "total farkers"  It's the only place on the Internet where one can see people writhing in pain over their financial failure in life while spending $5/month to complain about not having any money.  Hey?  Maybe if you learned a TRADE rather then going to some community college (probably online while eating Cheetos in yer mommy's basement) to earn a worthless "degree", you coulda made something of yourselves?  Ever think of that?  Or are y'all too good to get yer hands dirty?  "But-but-but, I have a degree!"  Guess what, stupid?  So do the other 150 people who applied for this job.  What I need to know is do you have any SKILLS?  No?  Bye.
2013-03-06 01:34:25 PM
1 votes:

MattStafford: The difference being, that the educated kids (presumably) will make our economy strong enough that even after paying off the debt, we are better off for that spending. The same cannot be said about welfare.

If you borrow one hundred dollars and use it to educate a kid, and in the future he produces 200 dollars more worth of goods than he otherwise did, that money was well spent. Even after paying down the debt, we're 100 dollars worth of goods stronger.

If you borrow one hundred dollars and give it to a person, he will still produce the same amount of goods in the future. After paying down the debt, we will be in a similar position to where we started, but facing some annoying to severe side effects (depending on how much we spent).


Just to play a bit of Devil's Advocate here, you're assuming there are no spillover effects from a person's choice of consumption.  That's a fairly heroic assumption you are making.  If you consider the possibility of spillovers, it no longer becomes a black and white issue for the effects of consumption on future growth.

I will admit that the link between consumption and growth is not well understood from the research side, but there have been some recent efforts to study that link, (Gualerzi 2012 and Trezzini 2011).  Quite a bit more work needs to be done, but consumption is a notoriously difficult topic to not only research, but also to publish in.  Dismissing consumption outright however is probably not the best way to argue your point, since there could be significant positive effects on growth via consumption when considering spillovers (and externalities).
2013-03-06 01:16:56 PM
1 votes:

MattStafford: The value of a good or service is dependent on the rate a free market would set for that good or service.


For too long we seem to have surrendered personal excellence and community value in the mere accumulation of material things. Our gross national product now is over 800 billion dollars a year, but that gross national product, if we judge the United States of America by that, that gross national product counts air pollution, and cigarette advertising, and ambulances to clear our highways of carnage. It counts special locks for our doors and the jails for people who break them. It counts the destruction of the redwoods and the loss of our natural wonder in chaotic squall. It counts Napalm, and it counts nuclear warheads, and armored cars for the police to fight the riots in our city. It counts Whitman's rifles and Speck's Knifes and the television programs which glorify violence in order to sell toys to our children. Yet, the gross national product does not allow for the health of our children, the quality of their education, or the joy of their play; it does not include the beauty of our poetry of the strength of our marriages, the intelligence of our public debate for the integrity of our public officials. It measures neither our wit nor our courage neither our wisdom nor our learning, neither our compassion nor our devotion to our country it measures everything in short except that which makes life worth while. And it can tell us everything about America except why we are proud that we are Americans. Robert F. Kennedy 1968
2013-03-06 12:58:46 PM
1 votes:

Lord_Baull: I may be way off here, but it looks like he's making fun of clane.


somedude210:
I think you're way off
this is how you mock cline
because reality doesn't make sense
make your own reality
2013-03-06 12:46:34 PM
1 votes:

Tyrano Soros: somedude210: you have a weird fascination with golf, you know that?


So does 0bama, apparently, or we wouldn't have ever had a Benghazi.


Oh dear christ, are you dense. He wasn't farking golfing, and the only people saying that he was all have a bone to pick with him already because he's democrat/black/decent human being

But since you seem to equate 4 dead in Libya to be more of a thing than 3000 dead in the US, why was Bush reading to children during 9/11? Why wasn't he in D.C. doing...something?! Hmm? What about that tough guy?

But explain to me, what, exactly, Obama could've done instead of "golfing" to prevent Benghazi?
2013-03-06 12:33:59 PM
1 votes:

CaptainToast: The scary is for how stupid the tag is.


It's kind of scary that the preferred option is to make the cuts as painful as possible.
2013-03-06 12:26:28 PM
1 votes:

Tyrano Soros: So why hasn't 0bama shown any leadership and forced the Senate to adopt any of the House's budget bills? Because he'd rather play politics and golf then help the American people.


you have a weird fascination with golf, you know that?

What, exactly, can Obama do to the senate that will force them to pass budget bills that have passed?

oh, and you have to do it constitutionally, and you need to have them pass a budget bill that was passed under this congress (ie, after January)

/hint, there's nothing he can constitutionally to jumpstart the Senate to do anything
//also, the House hasn't passed any budget bills since the new congress took hold
2013-03-06 12:20:59 PM
1 votes:

Tyrano Soros: No thanks. Playing golf is what got us into this mess.


I like when the new trolls come out to play, I just hope they live up to the old class from back in the day

/I miss EnviroDude sometimes
2013-03-06 12:18:58 PM
1 votes:

Tyrano Soros: Forget it. Stupid libs will just come back with some nonsense about how the Republican House cut those programs, as they were elected to do, and conveniently forget that 0bama is commander-in-chief of the embassies he has, not the embassies he wants.


lol wut?
2013-03-06 12:17:24 PM
1 votes:

clane: Fox said Romney won the election? umm ok So that Benghazi thing, yea innocent people died because Obama couldn't take time from his golf outing but hey they were just little people so your liberal left media says let's just go on about our business and pretend it didn't happen. my god NBC and CNN lies more times a day than i can count and you have to go back 30 years to think of something...


You seemed to miss the point of the Reagan comparison. He's hailed by Fox as the second coming of jesus or a real conservative or some such when he's hardly such yet there they are, chanting about how if reagan was here, he'd kick all y'all's asses.

What lies, exactly, has MSNBC, CNN, et. al. been pushing? and what's the truth?

And what golf game was he at during Benghazi? since it occurred on 9/11, I believe he was at some memorial somewhere, since that's been a thing for presidents to do since 2001
2013-03-06 11:58:56 AM
1 votes:

I_C_Weener: GAT_00: I_C_Weener: somedude210: Well, sequester really is a bad thing, and anyone who thinks that blindly cutting our way to prosperity isn't a bad thing should be smacked around with my furlough notice

Take a 20% pay cut and get back to me how your spending isn't affected by it

Those of us in the private sector have been dealing with that for years now.

Which gives you the right to inflict it on other people?  That's your governing philosophy?  Screw over other people's lives?  That makes you a shiatty supervillain, the kind that gets knocked out 10 minutes into the story, not any kind of rational person.

Nope.  But I'm not too sympathetic to people biatching about hitting the recession 4 years after the rest of us did.


You should be. The current Republican tactic is to make life miserable for unprotected workers in the private sector and then point at the unionized and government employees with the benefits and protections YOU SHOULD HAVE and say "aren't you jealous of them? They think they're better than you!"

And you fell for it. Chump.
2013-03-06 11:16:21 AM
1 votes:

JerseyTim: I feel like we're spending about 99.9% of the time arguing about why there is a sequester and who is responsible and .1% of the time trying to do something about it.


Welcome to the fark politics tab.  This is where you're supposed to pick a team (as long it's the Democrats) and beat dead horses while turning a blind eye to what's actually happening.  If you hang in this tab long enough you will learn;

A:  D=Good
B:  R=Bad
C:  Everything is still Bush's fault
D:  You will be assimilated
E:  You will be ostracized if you don't conform to A, B & C not wishing to become D.
2013-03-06 11:11:33 AM
1 votes:

clane: You're being lied to everyday by the Democrats and the liberal press... It's not a cut; they simply reduced the amount of the INCREASE!

They still got an increase just not as much as originally wanted. It's like you walk in the house tell your wife i got my raise today i was making $150 now i am making $160 but i thought i was going get $170 with the raise so now we can't feed the kids or stay in this house.

Seriously i watch NBC, CNN/HLN and FOX, CNN and NBC lie and pound the drums for the Democrats, FOX explains the truth. THE TRUTH


Dear god, you're serious, aren't you?

I've heard this point by a few right wingers and yet I can't place the origins or logic of it.

as to Fox telling us the truth, how's that Benghazi thing working out for ya? Romney winning the election? How about how all us liberals are a bunch of money-grubbing assholes and only Reagan was a true conservative who never did anything like sell weapons to our enemies, give amnesty to illegals or destroy our mental health system so people like you can have access to the public
2013-03-06 11:11:07 AM
1 votes:

Tommy Moo: somedude210: Well, sequester really is a bad thing, and anyone who thinks that blindly cutting our way to prosperity isn't a bad thing should be smacked around with my furlough notice

Take a 20% pay cut and get back to me how your spending isn't affected by it

Except the sequester is nowhere near 20% of the federal budget. It's closer to 2%. And yes, if I were a hog buying $1000 hammers and $500 toilet seats, I could find a way to survive a 2% pay cut.

Obama is being a dick here, and I say that as a person who voted for him. This is a Republicanesque tactic: scorching the earth and shooting the hostage to make the other guy look bad.


Yeah, how dare he write a bill by himself and force Congress to pass it at gunpoint. Oh right, that's now how legislation works at all.
2013-03-06 11:10:35 AM
1 votes:

MattStafford: It's the difference between inflexibly cutting 1% of the budget, and inflexibly cutting 50% of the budget.


Just looking at a snap shot of cuts for 5 major budgets, an average of approximately 7.4% is being cut by the sequester. The second number does not deserve to be rebuffed, as it was pulled out of your ass.
2013-03-06 11:10:31 AM
1 votes:

HAMMERTOE: Well, duh. It's not like the sequester stopped Obama from handing $250,000,000 to the Egyptians, who make billion$ from us every year in oil. Meanwhile, teachers have to be furloughed, despite their being state, not federal employees, and the fact that more money could be saved by furloughing Administrators.

It's never been anything more than a Democratic temper tantrum over cutting their spending power. Hell, Obama just parked five nuclear aircraft carriers right next to each other at Norfolk, VA, in direct violation of any common sense at all. Thought we learned our lesson about that at Battleship Row, nearly 60 years ago.


The teachers that are in line to be furloughed are Federal employees. The teachers that are being referred to are teachers at schools on military bases, not the public school districts you are thinking of.
2013-03-06 11:08:10 AM
1 votes:

somedude210: Well, sequester really is a bad thing, and anyone who thinks that blindly cutting our way to prosperity isn't a bad thing should be smacked around with my furlough notice

Take a 20% pay cut and get back to me how your spending isn't affected by it


Except the sequester is nowhere near 20% of the federal budget. It's closer to 2%. And yes, if I were a hog buying $1000 hammers and $500 toilet seats, I could find a way to survive a 2% pay cut.

Obama is being a dick here, and I say that as a person who voted for him. This is a Republicanesque tactic: scorching the earth and shooting the hostage to make the other guy look bad.
2013-03-06 10:53:43 AM
1 votes:

NateGrey: tony41454: WORST PRESIDENT IN AMERICAN HISTORY.

clane: Worst president ever in the history of this country!!  Never thought Carter could be topped but congratulations!

Awkward, two shills repeating the same thing in the same thread.


Two historically ignorant shills.

See, here's the thing with 'OF. ALL. TIME.' type statements: you actually have to compare them to past events for them to be valid. And even if every single thing the right says about Obama is true (it isn't) he  still would be better than:

William Henry Harrison: hard to be good in 30 days, especially when you spend most of them in bed dying of pneumonia
Herbert Hoover: totally unable to stop the Great Depression, despite an impressive financial background
Ulysses S. Grant: his administration was a hotbed of graft and corruption
Warren G. Harding: his administration was even more corrupt than Grant's, and he was probably complicit to boot
James Buchanan: utterly incapable of stopping the increasing factionalism that started the Civil War

And point in fact, W could be reasonably added to that list too - and probably will be in 50 years or so.

Against that context, Obama is a middle of the road President. He'll be remembered by history for being the first black President, and for having inherited the worst financial situation since FDR. He didn't fix it, but he didn't make it worse, either.

At a guess, historians of his Presidency will spend a lot more time talking about Congressional gridlock than about anything he did or didn't do. In that sense, he's about on a par with Grover Cleveland: not especially good, not especially bad, more a victim of his times than a determiner of them.
2013-03-06 10:50:27 AM
1 votes:

HAMMERTOE: Obama just parked five nuclear aircraft carriers right next to each other at Norfolk, VA, in direct violation of any common sense at all.


I shouldnt keep reading, but Republican lies are so much fun:

Claim: Five first line U.S. aircraft carriers were recently all docked together in one place for the first time since World War II.

False
Link
Republicans love their FWD: FWD: FWD: Obama worse evar
2013-03-06 10:46:53 AM
1 votes:

tony41454: The President has the power to choose where to make these cuts. He wants to punish the American people as much as possible so he can blame others. WORST PRESIDENT IN AMERICAN HISTORY.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/mar/5/email-tells-feds-make -s equester-painful-promised/


No, the sequester is worded in such a way that the cuts must be done equitably across the board. They are legally unable to cut more from any program at the expense of another per the language of the bill itself. That's a big part of why it's a poison pill: it's designed to hurt based on the text of the law. Hell, McConnell said he was open to changing the law to give the executive more latitude in choosing cuts, but the House never took such legislation up for a vote. They can't claim the President already has a power they said they would need to pass legislation to grant him. You're saying the president is terrible for obeying the law.
2013-03-06 10:41:05 AM
1 votes:
Well, duh. It's not like the sequester stopped Obama from handing $250,000,000 to the Egyptians, who make billion$ from us every year in oil. Meanwhile, teachers have to be furloughed, despite their being state, not federal employees, and the fact that more money could be saved by furloughing Administrators.

It's never been anything more than a Democratic temper tantrum over cutting their spending power. Hell, Obama just parked five nuclear aircraft carriers right next to each other at Norfolk, VA, in direct violation of any common sense at all. Thought we learned our lesson about that at Battleship Row, nearly 60 years ago.
2013-03-06 10:40:32 AM
1 votes:

sigdiamond2000: clane: tony41454: WORST PRESIDENT IN AMERICAN HISTORY.

clane: Worst president ever in the history of this country!!  Never thought Carter could be topped but congratulations!

NateGrey:
Awkward, two shills repeating the same thing in the same thread.

clane:
If Obama doesn't get his way he acts like the spoiled liberal Socialist brat that he is.
This was not even a cut but i am sure you don't even know that...
He lied over and over again trying to hide that this was his idea...

Why all the dramatic cutbacks when Congress didn't even reduce the amount of money they received.  In fact they received MORE money!  you liberals are all freaking sheep!!  They lie to your face and you don't take 5 seconds to get the real facts.

So I've been out of the loop lately, scrimshawing and getting my yacht ready for the America's Cup...

Is this guy a "thing" around here now?




clane: is sorta new, clane: is kinda like a mix between tony For racism, and shotglasss For dementia.
2013-03-06 10:37:01 AM
1 votes:

Smackledorfer: I_C_Weener: I_C_Weener: St_Francis_P: The talking points are always a little confusing, but lately they're just flat contradictory. The sequester is and isn't bad, but the government is hoarding bullets to shoot patriots who riot because of the sequester, but the GOP wanted to cut spending the whole time, but it's Obama's fault. There, did I cover all the salient points?

It was Obama's idea.  It was designed to punish, not cut.  It has military spending cuts in it (not just cuts to future increases) and yet the Democrats aren't happy with that either.

Now, I think we've got it.

Oh, and Republicans already gave in on Tax Increases, now it is time for the Democrats to give in on spending cuts.

You are everything that is wrong with this website.


Don't you love after spending months yelling "these aren't real cuts" he's modified it to "the real cuts that need to be repealed are to the programs I like, so let's preserve them and make real cuts to everything else"?
2013-03-06 10:34:38 AM
1 votes:

clane: tony41454: WORST PRESIDENT IN AMERICAN HISTORY.

clane: Worst president ever in the history of this country!!  Never thought Carter could be topped but congratulations!

NateGrey:
Awkward, two shills repeating the same thing in the same thread.

clane:
If Obama doesn't get his way he acts like the spoiled liberal Socialist brat that he is.
This was not even a cut but i am sure you don't even know that...
He lied over and over again trying to hide that this was his idea...

Why all the dramatic cutbacks when Congress didn't even reduce the amount of money they received.  In fact they received MORE money!  you liberals are all freaking sheep!!  They lie to your face and you don't take 5 seconds to get the real facts.




clane: we have been over this, clane: doesn't have to post the "clane:" part clane:
gets in clane:'s talking points memo. It just makes clane: look more like a copy pasta shill.

/clane:
//clane:clane:
2013-03-06 10:34:24 AM
1 votes:

clane: Worst president ever in the history of this country!!  Never thought Carter could be topped but congratulations!


Bush left years ago. Let it go already.
2013-03-06 10:31:27 AM
1 votes:

MattStafford: That said, spending cuts are both necessary and a good thing, regardless of the pain.


So I guess you're a big fan of the Hoover administration.
2013-03-06 10:27:47 AM
1 votes:
tony41454: WORST PRESIDENT IN AMERICAN HISTORY.

clane: Worst president ever in the history of this country!!  Never thought Carter could be topped but congratulations!


NateGrey:
Awkward, two shills repeating the same thing in the same thread.

clane:
If Obama doesn't get his way he acts like the spoiled liberal Socialist brat that he is.
This was not even a cut but i am sure you don't even know that...
He lied over and over again trying to hide that this was his idea...

Why all the dramatic cutbacks when Congress didn't even reduce the amount of money they received.  In fact they received MORE money!  you liberals are all freaking sheep!!  They lie to your face and you don't take 5 seconds to get the real facts.
2013-03-06 10:24:54 AM
1 votes:

Weaver95: so basically it goes like this:

GOP: 'we love spending cuts.  spending cuts are GREAT!  [arranges sequester].  oh yeah, this is gonna be AWESOME!'
Obama: 'um...this isn't necessary. we can find other ways to cut spending and minimize the impact on the poor and middle class.'
GOP: 'SPENDING CUTS NAOW!'
Obama: 'but...
GOP: CUTS NAOW!'
Obama: fine.  its your budget, you live with it.
GOP: 'hey, wait!  people are mad at us!  OBAMA!  THIS IS YOUR FAULT!  GOTDAMN YOUUUUUUUUUU!'


good analysis.
2013-03-06 10:22:50 AM
1 votes:

Weaver95: BillCo: Whatever happened to the concept of leadership?

the President can't force the GOP in congress to stop acting like idiots.  this is what you guys wanted and well...you won.  step up and claim your reward.


What the GOP wanted was to make Americans regret reelecting Obama, and that most certainly has not turned out the way they wanted - and I'm ok with that.
2013-03-06 10:22:21 AM
1 votes:

Munchausen's Proxy: Outstanding

70 posts in and absolutely nobody has actually address the article.  Someone posted a copy of the email mentioned in the article, but then asked about "Lucy"  Many here will moan about people working together, then post crap about "the other side".  In the same post complaining about the other side only looking to place blame, the poster then tries to place blame.

Good job, keep at it


A. People did address it.
B. It was a bullshiat piece misreoresenting what was said in the email.
C. The important thing is you managed to make a meta-post that addressed the thread instead of the article to feel superior to those making posts about the thread instead of the article.

I wish I could barf through my monitor into your eyes and mouth.
2013-03-06 10:21:15 AM
1 votes:

somedude210: Well, sequester really is a bad thing, and anyone who thinks that blindly cutting our way to prosperity isn't a bad thing should be smacked around with my furlough notice

Take a 20% pay cut and get back to me how your spending isn't affected by it


Get a real job in the private sector.
2013-03-06 10:20:10 AM
1 votes:

Munchausen's Proxy: Outstanding

70 posts in and absolutely nobody has actually address the article.  Someone posted a copy of the email mentioned in the article, but then asked about "Lucy"  Many here will moan about people working together, then post crap about "the other side".  In the same post complaining about the other side only looking to place blame, the poster then tries to place blame.

Good job, keep at it


So why didn't you comment on the article?
2013-03-06 10:17:46 AM
1 votes:
Outstanding

70 posts in and absolutely nobody has actually address the article.  Someone posted a copy of the email mentioned in the article, but then asked about "Lucy"  Many here will moan about people working together, then post crap about "the other side".  In the same post complaining about the other side only looking to place blame, the poster then tries to place blame.

Good job, keep at it
2013-03-06 10:16:56 AM
1 votes:

jehovahs witness protection: Philip Francis Queeg: BillCo: It's called the Washington Memorial Strategy.

And, we really don't need the memo to prove that Obama is engaging in it.  He shut down tours of the White House for fark's sake.  Can't get much more transparent than that.  He is doing everything in his power to make the American public think that this is still the end of the world.

It's pretty sad when the President of the United States resorts to such childish tactics to scare the American people.  Whatever happened to the concept of leadership?

Are public tours of the White House a vital function of the Federal Government? That seems like a pretty smart cut to me.

Tours are done by volunteers...AND COST NOTHING


The reservation process, tickets and security are all provided wholly without cost? Amazing.
2013-03-06 10:16:54 AM
1 votes:

Fluorescent Testicle: Shut the fark up, Fox, nobody cares.


Ah, let them whine. They and every other member of the GOP are still recovering from Nov 2012 when the electoral college told them: "Bite the Pillow, I'm going in Dry."
2013-03-06 10:16:41 AM
1 votes:

Smackledorfer: Republicans don't even have the balls to cut the programs they hate.


I think one of the reasons they decided to let the sequester pass is because they were able to get massive cuts across the board while retaining a political out ("It was Obama's idea!"). They must be well aware of how unpopular their policy is, so the sequester was the perfect opportunity to implement some fiscal austerity while avoiding the level of flack they would get if they just passed a bill with those kinds of cuts.
2013-03-06 10:15:41 AM
1 votes:

theknuckler_33: Obama is the worst 'worst president' in history.


how so?
2013-03-06 10:15:40 AM
1 votes:

Dr Dreidel: when will the GOP learn


The GOP doesn't like to participate in demonic shiat like "learning".
All they need to know is that they are incapable of misunderestimating the will of all mighty fa**ot-hating god!
2013-03-06 10:15:30 AM
1 votes:
The brave patriot who leaked this email is clearly showing us 0bamao's nefarious plot. By painting the cutting of jobs, spending, funding & education as a bad thing this dastardly regime is shining a spotlight on the facts about the sequester. The American people don't deserve an administration that would enforce the legislation that the representatives of the people agreed to. What happened to my country? Pray for this once great nation. God bless.
www.tedhickman.com
2013-03-06 10:12:07 AM
1 votes:

Philip Francis Queeg: BillCo: It's called the Washington Memorial Strategy.

And, we really don't need the memo to prove that Obama is engaging in it.  He shut down tours of the White House for fark's sake.  Can't get much more transparent than that.  He is doing everything in his power to make the American public think that this is still the end of the world.

It's pretty sad when the President of the United States resorts to such childish tactics to scare the American people.  Whatever happened to the concept of leadership?

Are public tours of the White House a vital function of the Federal Government? That seems like a pretty smart cut to me.


Tours are done by volunteers...AND COST NOTHING
2013-03-06 10:08:50 AM
1 votes:
I see the Hyperbole Battalion of the Outrage Brigade has arrived...

Tally-ho, Dipshiats.
2013-03-06 10:08:47 AM
1 votes:
Repubs break vase.
Obama doesn't sweep the mess under a rug
Repubs: "Obama is making it worse!  On purpose!"
2013-03-06 10:08:35 AM
1 votes:

tony41454: WORST PRESIDENT IN AMERICAN HISTORY.


clane: Worst president ever in the history of this country!!  Never thought Carter could be topped but congratulations!


Awkward, two shills repeating the same thing in the same thread.
2013-03-06 10:08:22 AM
1 votes:

log_jammin: I've been wondering where the GOP was going to take this since they been repeating the line that even though the cuts won't be even the slightest bit bad its still all of Obama's doing.

And now we know that when the cuts start to take effect the right wing talking point will be that Obama made the cuts bad. Essentially " but he cut the wrong things!".

Just watch.


Republicans don't even have the balls to cut the programs they hate. They biatch all day about entitlements but lie when running for office about how they are really looking out for granny.

They talk about cutting loopholes but won't tell you which.

I hate this planet sometimes. So much stupid.
2013-03-06 10:05:36 AM
1 votes:

I_C_Weener: somedude210: Well, sequester really is a bad thing, and anyone who thinks that blindly cutting our way to prosperity isn't a bad thing should be smacked around with my furlough notice

Take a 20% pay cut and get back to me how your spending isn't affected by it

Those of us in the private sector have been dealing with that for years now.


But lazy government employees with outrageous perks paid for by people in the private sector are more important because FARK YOU.
2013-03-06 10:04:15 AM
1 votes:
So Obama is also  an Agriculture Department field officer?
Damn, that guy can multitask!

That being said, the email says that congress was already told what the cuts would be and not to contradict that. To extrapolate anything more is just typical republican Benghaziism.
2013-03-06 10:04:06 AM
1 votes:
Worst president ever in the history of this country!!  Never thought Carter could be topped but congratulations!
2013-03-06 10:04:04 AM
1 votes:
The President has the power to choose where to make these cuts. He wants to punish the American people as much as possible so he can blame others. WORST PRESIDENT IN AMERICAN HISTORY.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/mar/5/email-tells-feds-make -s equester-painful-promised/
2013-03-06 10:02:25 AM
1 votes:
I've been wondering where the GOP was going to take this since they been repeating the line that even though the cuts won't be even the slightest bit bad its still all of Obama's doing.

And now we know that when the cuts start to take effect the right wing talking point will be that Obama made the cuts bad. Essentially " but he cut the wrong things!".

Just watch.
2013-03-06 09:57:13 AM
1 votes:

Weaver95: so basically it goes like this:

GOP: 'we love spending cuts.  spending cuts are GREAT!  [arranges sequester].  oh yeah, this is gonna be AWESOME!'
Obama: 'um...this isn't necessary. we can find other ways to cut spending and minimize the impact on the poor and middle class.'
GOP: 'SPENDING CUTS NAOW!'
Obama: 'but...
GOP: CUTS NAOW!'
Obama: fine.  its your budget, you live with it.
GOP: 'hey, wait!  people are mad at us!  OBAMA!  THIS IS YOUR FAULT!  GOTDAMN YOUUUUUUUUUU!'


You forgot one: "White House comes up with the Sequester:"

Protip: Don't propose a solution that is exactly what the GOP wants, and exactly what you don't want.
2013-03-06 09:57:00 AM
1 votes:

BillCo: It's called the Washington Memorial Strategy.

And, we really don't need the memo to prove that Obama is engaging in it.  He shut down tours of the White House for fark's sake.  Can't get much more transparent than that.  He is doing everything in his power to make the American public think that this is still the end of the world.

It's pretty sad when the President of the United States resorts to such childish tactics to scare the American people.  Whatever happened to the concept of leadership?


YELLOWCAKE!
2013-03-06 09:43:28 AM
1 votes:

BillCo: Whatever happened to the concept of leadership?


I thought Obama was leading us to ruin?

Last week, he was leading us straight to hell,  this week, he isn't leading enough.
2013-03-06 09:36:39 AM
1 votes:

GAT_00: I_C_Weener: somedude210: Well, sequester really is a bad thing, and anyone who thinks that blindly cutting our way to prosperity isn't a bad thing should be smacked around with my furlough notice

Take a 20% pay cut and get back to me how your spending isn't affected by it

Those of us in the private sector have been dealing with that for years now.

Which gives you the right to inflict it on other people?  That's your governing philosophy?  Screw over other people's lives?  That makes you a shiatty supervillain, the kind that gets knocked out 10 minutes into the story, not any kind of rational person.


Nope.  But I'm not too sympathetic to people biatching about hitting the recession 4 years after the rest of us did.
2013-03-06 09:35:52 AM
1 votes:

Weaver95: at this point i'm not even sure what the GOP thinks Obama has done wrong.


I'm pretty sure it has something to do with him being n***ardly with public monies.
2013-03-06 09:33:54 AM
1 votes:

JerseyTim: I feel like we're spending about 99.9% of the time arguing about why there is a sequester and who is responsible and .1% of the time trying to do something about it.


Limbaugh (and others) have spent a LOT of time trying to blame Obama for the sequester.  a good bit of the right wing media engine is trying to blame Obama for something.  I'm not sure exactly for what, but SOMETHING.  at this point i'm not even sure what the GOP thinks Obama has done wrong.
2013-03-06 09:31:42 AM
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I_C_Weener: St_Francis_P: The talking points are always a little confusing, but lately they're just flat contradictory. The sequester is and isn't bad, but the government is hoarding bullets to shoot patriots who riot because of the sequester, but the GOP wanted to cut spending the whole time, but it's Obama's fault. There, did I cover all the salient points?

It was Obama's idea.  It was designed to punish, not cut.  It has military spending cuts in it (not just cuts to future increases) and yet the Democrats aren't happy with that either.

Now, I think we've got it.


Oh, and Republicans already gave in on Tax Increases, now it is time for the Democrats to give in on spending cuts.
2013-03-06 09:13:13 AM
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So I'm supposed to be outraged that this email stated the obvious?
 
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