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2013-03-06 12:17:24 PM  

clane: Fox said Romney won the election? umm ok So that Benghazi thing, yea innocent people died because Obama couldn't take time from his golf outing but hey they were just little people so your liberal left media says let's just go on about our business and pretend it didn't happen. my god NBC and CNN lies more times a day than i can count and you have to go back 30 years to think of something...


You seemed to miss the point of the Reagan comparison. He's hailed by Fox as the second coming of jesus or a real conservative or some such when he's hardly such yet there they are, chanting about how if reagan was here, he'd kick all y'all's asses.

What lies, exactly, has MSNBC, CNN, et. al. been pushing? and what's the truth?

And what golf game was he at during Benghazi? since it occurred on 9/11, I believe he was at some memorial somewhere, since that's been a thing for presidents to do since 2001
 
2013-03-06 12:17:46 PM  

mrshowrules: Tyrano Soros: Maybe if 0bama spent more time writing a budget and less time complaining about how bad it'll be without a budget, we'd have a budget?

He should also do other things that aren't his job like plan rocket launches and grounds keeping.



No thanks. Playing golf is what got us into this mess.
 
2013-03-06 12:18:58 PM  

Tyrano Soros: Forget it. Stupid libs will just come back with some nonsense about how the Republican House cut those programs, as they were elected to do, and conveniently forget that 0bama is commander-in-chief of the embassies he has, not the embassies he wants.


lol wut?
 
2013-03-06 12:19:55 PM  

MattStafford: Ctrl-Alt-Del: Simple. Imagine two guys on a deserted island. one has a fish, and the other has a coconut. As they are sitting there contemplating the relative strengths of their respective economic positions, a government contractor arrives to build a bridge to another nearby, uninhabited island. "Value" is how much gold bullion each can expect to receive from that contractor for their individual goods

Do you guys honestly not agree with me?  That if you borrow money, spending it on consumption is not a good idea?  Borrow hundreds of millions of dollars, give it to the population, and pray for economic success?  Christ.


Other than George Bush, who did exactly that, who the hell advocates this position? I've certainly never said we should "Borrow hundreds of millions of dollars [and] give it to the population" So  it seems like your entire "point" is an argument against a position nobody holds.

Well done. YOU WIN!
 
2013-03-06 12:20:59 PM  

Tyrano Soros: No thanks. Playing golf is what got us into this mess.


I like when the new trolls come out to play, I just hope they live up to the old class from back in the day

/I miss EnviroDude sometimes
 
2013-03-06 12:21:06 PM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: Tyrano Soros: Maybe if 0bama spent more time writing a budget

The Constitution of the United States, Article 1, Section 7
"All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; "



So why hasn't 0bama shown any leadership and forced the Senate to adopt any of the House's budget bills? Because he'd rather play politics and golf then help the American people.
 
2013-03-06 12:22:46 PM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: Other than George Bush, who did exactly that, who the hell advocates this position? I've certainly never said we should "Borrow hundreds of millions of dollars [and] give it to the population" So it seems like your entire "point" is an argument against a position nobody holds.

Well done. YOU WIN!


Um, everyone who supports Medicare/Social Security support borrowing money and distributing it to the population.
 
2013-03-06 12:22:47 PM  
Let me guess: the source of the emails is tota­l­lyth­e­r­ealobama[nospam-﹫-backwards]sw­enxo­f*com, isn't it?
 
2013-03-06 12:23:17 PM  

MattStafford: Ctrl-Alt-Del: Simple. Imagine two guys on a deserted island. one has a fish, and the other has a coconut. As they are sitting there contemplating the relative strengths of their respective economic positions, a government contractor arrives to build a bridge to another nearby, uninhabited island. "Value" is how much gold bullion each can expect to receive from that contractor for their individual goods

Do you guys honestly not agree with me?  That if you borrow money, spending it on consumption is not a good idea?  Borrow hundreds of millions of dollars, give it to the population, and pray for economic success?  Christ.



I prefer the previous administration's method of borrowing hundreds of Billions of dollars and using it to blow up brown people determined to strike the US for economic success.
 
2013-03-06 12:25:18 PM  

Tyrano Soros: I prefer the previous administration's method of borrowing hundreds of Billions of dollars and using it to blow up brown people determined to strike the US for economic success.


Both policies are bad!  Only borrow money to invest in productive programs!  Education, technology, infrastructure - otherwise, pay for it via tax revenue.
 
2013-03-06 12:25:32 PM  

somedude210: Tyrano Soros: No thanks. Playing golf is what got us into this mess.

I like when the new trolls come out to play, I just hope they live up to the old class from back in the day

/I miss EnviroDude sometimes


I don't. We haven't had entertaining trolls since the Marine Core days, if you ask me. Case in point:

Tyrano Soros: So why hasn't 0bama shown any leadership and forced the Senate


Dude seriously, you need to get funnier PDQ if you want to stay off everyone's ignore list
 
2013-03-06 12:25:35 PM  

Tyrano Soros: Ctrl-Alt-Del: Tyrano Soros: Maybe if 0bama spent more time writing a budget

The Constitution of the United States, Article 1, Section 7
"All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; "


So why hasn't 0bama shown any leadership and forced the Senate to adopt any of the House's budget bills? Because he'd rather play politics and golf then help the American people.


You're doing well so far. Keeping the responses short and shrift. Just don't f*ck it up by pretending you're a dentist or economist.
 
2013-03-06 12:26:23 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: clane: because Obama couldn't take time from his golf outing but hey they were just little people so your liberal left media says let's just go on about our business and pretend it didn't happen.

It didn't happen. At least, not in the way your fevered

Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease ridden brain imagines it did.


FTFY

it's the only explanation for how/what it posts...
 
2013-03-06 12:26:28 PM  

Tyrano Soros: So why hasn't 0bama shown any leadership and forced the Senate to adopt any of the House's budget bills? Because he'd rather play politics and golf then help the American people.


you have a weird fascination with golf, you know that?

What, exactly, can Obama do to the senate that will force them to pass budget bills that have passed?

oh, and you have to do it constitutionally, and you need to have them pass a budget bill that was passed under this congress (ie, after January)

/hint, there's nothing he can constitutionally to jumpstart the Senate to do anything
//also, the House hasn't passed any budget bills since the new congress took hold
 
2013-03-06 12:28:07 PM  
First of all, drop the Benghazi crap already. 3000 people were dying in NYC and DC, and all Bush could do was sit there reading his upside-down book and look clueless. This cluelessness was further on display in front of a "Mission Accomplished" banner nearly a decade before bin Ladin met justice, simply because Bush got Saddam Hussein, creating way more problems in Iraq that were there already.

Next, kindly remember that it's Congress responsibility to write and pass the budget, and send it to the President.

It's people like you who use such broken reasoning in the face of the facts that allow Marxists to be seen in a better light, in comparison to your candidates of choice. Quit running poster-children for corporate greed, bigotry, and religious arrogance and hypocrisy for public office. I can't even defend Republican ideals anymore without getting my ass handed to me. Your treating the entire country and the lower classes as your private cash-cow, to be exploited at whim, will mean the eventual death of your party, and the unwashed masses will rise up and feast upon your bones, figuratively speaking.
 
2013-03-06 12:29:38 PM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: BeesNuts: MattStafford: Tomahawk513: Ya know, that might not be the best economic policy during a recession. It's been covered in practically every thread, especially those with Matt Stafford, but effective recession-based economic policy involves the fed spending money, even if it has to borrow it, to stimulate growth. Once the economy gets back on its feet as it's just starting to do now (see recovering housing market, DJI peak), spending should start to decrease while revenue increases due to more people paying more taxes. Then government should repay debt.

That is only an effective policy if the money is spent to actually stimulate growth.  The problem that many people have is that they confuse consumption with growth.  Cutting everyone a check for a hundred bucks might stimulate consumption, but it doesn't stimulate growth.  Investing that money in infrastructure or education, on the other hand, might actually stimulate growth.

Before I even get into "Growth" please:

Define Value.

Simple. Imagine two guys on a deserted island. one has a fish, and the other has a coconut. As they are sitting there contemplating the relative strengths of their respective economic positions, a government contractor arrives to build a bridge to another nearby, uninhabited island.  "Value" is how much gold bullion each can expect to receive from that contractor for their individual goods

.

I swear to god that exchange is my favorite economics discussion.  Ever.  In any context.  Like watching a dog trying to solve a jigsaw puzzle.  "I'm pretty sure you lack the necessary equipment to participate in this, dog."  Except dogs don't usually insist that they received their opposable thumbs from a prestigious university for months while getting snot all over your puzzle.
 
2013-03-06 12:29:57 PM  
The scary is for how stupid the tag is.
 
2013-03-06 12:32:56 PM  
MattStafford:
Do you guys honestly not agree with me?


YES


I don't know how many times or ways it has to be explained to you.  Yes, we disagree with you.  Yes we disagree with you .  Yeswedisagreewithyou.
 
2013-03-06 12:33:59 PM  

CaptainToast: The scary is for how stupid the tag is.


It's kind of scary that the preferred option is to make the cuts as painful as possible.
 
2013-03-06 12:37:17 PM  

Tyrano Soros: Ctrl-Alt-Del: Tyrano Soros: Maybe if 0bama spent more time writing a budget

The Constitution of the United States, Article 1, Section 7
"All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; "


So why hasn't 0bama shown any leadership and forced the Senate to adopt any of the House's budget bills? Because he'd rather play politics and golf then help the American people.


I realize you're a troll but Presidents can't "force" the legislative branch to do anything. That's why they're not dictators.
 
2013-03-06 12:38:01 PM  

Tyrano Soros: So why hasn't 0bama shown any leadership and forced the Senate to adopt any of the House's budget bills? Because he'd rather play politics and golf then help the American people.


It's not his job to force one house of Congress to accept the demands of the other. It's incumbent on the two houses to work it out between themselves. The President only has authority to either accept or veto the resulting compromise. Now certainly he can suggest options and even try to influence the direction that the legislation may take, but he cannot force them to do anything at all. IOW, if the House is determined to present themselves as fools there is nothing the President can do to stop them.
 
2013-03-06 12:38:11 PM  

Moosecakes: so why this constant refrain that Democrats need to *finally* give up some spending cuts.


Because I_C_Weener is lying.
 
2013-03-06 12:40:04 PM  

somedude210: you have a weird fascination with golf, you know that?



So does 0bama, apparently, or we wouldn't have ever had a Benghazi.
 
2013-03-06 12:40:47 PM  
I honestly don't understand how so many people can be so willfully ignorant of an obvious truth.  If you borrow money, you better use it for something good, or it is going to suck when you have to pay it back.  The fact that you might be a sovereign country has no bearing on that universal, immutable truth.
 
2013-03-06 12:43:43 PM  

Cletus C.: It's kind of scary that the preferred option is to make the cuts as painful as possible.


It's kind of scary that the Republicans could conceivably run the next election on the campaign that Obama deliberately targeted the people he could do the most harm to with this sequester. After all, it's not even equal to the amount the budget was supposed to rise, he already got one tax increase on January first, and everybody else is having to tighten their belts, but the Democrats have become so self-important that the mere idea of wielding less power by spending less money is sacrilege to them. (Don't forget Pelosi and Maxine Waters' recent appeals.)
 
2013-03-06 12:44:48 PM  
You mean Obama may be deliberately trying to fulfill his ohmahgahdserquester! doom and gloom narrative?

I, for one, am shocked he could be that big of an asshole.
 
2013-03-06 12:45:34 PM  
ugh seriously give it up, you aren't even funny
 
2013-03-06 12:46:34 PM  

Tyrano Soros: somedude210: you have a weird fascination with golf, you know that?


So does 0bama, apparently, or we wouldn't have ever had a Benghazi.


Oh dear christ, are you dense. He wasn't farking golfing, and the only people saying that he was all have a bone to pick with him already because he's democrat/black/decent human being

But since you seem to equate 4 dead in Libya to be more of a thing than 3000 dead in the US, why was Bush reading to children during 9/11? Why wasn't he in D.C. doing...something?! Hmm? What about that tough guy?

But explain to me, what, exactly, Obama could've done instead of "golfing" to prevent Benghazi?
 
2013-03-06 12:47:25 PM  
So they found a memo that basically says, "don't make us liars by cutting shiat we said was untouchable."

Oh, my!
 
2013-03-06 12:48:01 PM  

MattStafford: I honestly don't understand how so many people can be so willfully ignorant of an obvious truth.  If you borrow money, you better use it for something good, or it is going to suck when you have to pay it back.  The fact that you might be a sovereign country has no bearing on that universal, immutable truth.


The problem comes in the definition of "something good". Do you really think that there is some secret "Department of Finding Bad Ways To Piss Away Money"? The simple fact is that every single dollar that is spent by the government is directly in response to a request for that dollar from someone that presented a reasonable case for that expenditure. Now maybe neither you nor I agree with that expenditure, but somebody convinced Congress (not the President) that it was a good idea.
 
2013-03-06 12:50:40 PM  

MattStafford: Um, everyone who supports Medicare/Social Security support borrowing money and distributing it to the population.


MattStafford: Only borrow money to invest in productive programs! Education,


Ah, I see.

Borrowing to educate kids GOOD
Borrowing to keep poor people from living in squalor or dying from preventable illness BAD
 
2013-03-06 12:51:28 PM  

somedude210: ...why was Bush reading to children during 9/11?


Please, why do people insist on perpetuating this lie? Bush was not reading to the children. He was looking at the pictures. The children were reading quite well on their own.
 
2013-03-06 12:52:33 PM  

MattStafford: I honestly don't understand how so many people can be so willfully ignorant of an obvious truth.  If you borrow money, you better use it for something good, or it is going to suck when you have to pay it back.  The fact that you might be a sovereign country has no bearing on that universal, immutable truth.

 
2013-03-06 12:53:26 PM  

BillCo: It's called the Washington Memorial Strategy.

And, we really don't need the memo to prove that Obama is engaging in it.  He shut down tours of the White House for fark's sake.  Can't get much more transparent than that.  He is doing everything in his power to make the American public think that this is still the end of the world.

It's pretty sad when the President of the United States resorts to such childish tactics to scare the American people.  Whatever happened to the concept of leadership?


Do you understand what the  point of all this was? This was  not supposed to go into effect,  because it was supposed to threaten Congress into doing their jobs. It's a punishment.  It's supposed to be public and suck ass. And it's great that it hasn't killed anyone after five days, but money does not work that way to begin with.

You're complaining about something that is working  exactly the way it's supposed to.
 
2013-03-06 12:54:35 PM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: Borrowing to educate kids GOOD
Borrowing to keep poor people from living in squalor or dying from preventable illness BAD


Correct.  We should keep poor people from living in squalor or dying via tax revenue.  If we keep them from living in squalor/dying via borrowing, we're going to have a heckuva time when we can no longer borrow.
 
2013-03-06 12:55:27 PM  

somedude210: Tyrano Soros: somedude210: you have a weird fascination with golf, you know that?


So does 0bama, apparently, or we wouldn't have ever had a Benghazi.

Oh dear christ, are you dense. He wasn't farking golfing, and the only people saying that he was all have a bone to pick with him already because he's democrat/black/decent human being

But since you seem to equate 4 dead in Libya to be more of a thing than 3000 dead in the US, why was Bush reading to children during 9/11? Why wasn't he in D.C. doing...something?! Hmm? What about that tough guy?

But explain to me, what, exactly, Obama could've done instead of "golfing" to prevent Benghazi?



I may be way off here, but it looks like he's making fun of clane.
 
2013-03-06 12:55:47 PM  

clane: If Obama doesn't get his way he acts like the spoiled liberal Socialist brat that he is.
This was not even a cut but i am sure you don't even know that...
He lied over and over again trying to hide that this was his idea...

...
Seriously i watch NBC, CNN/HLN and FOX, CNN and NBC lie and pound the drums for the Democrats, FOX explains the truth.  THE TRUTH

img.math-fail.com
 
2013-03-06 12:56:19 PM  

More_Like_A_Stain: The problem comes in the definition of "something good". Do you really think that there is some secret "Department of Finding Bad Ways To Piss Away Money"? The simple fact is that every single dollar that is spent by the government is directly in response to a request for that dollar from someone that presented a reasonable case for that expenditure. Now maybe neither you nor I agree with that expenditure, but somebody convinced Congress (not the President) that it was a good idea.


Yeah, it's called the Department of Defense.  And it isn't much of a secret.

I might think it is a good idea for me to live like a king.  If I requisition the government for 100 million dollars, and know a senator or two, and they give me that 100 million dollars - financed via borrowing of course - are you saying that it was a smart economic decision?
 
2013-03-06 12:56:20 PM  

MattStafford: Ctrl-Alt-Del: Simple. Imagine two guys on a deserted island. one has a fish, and the other has a coconut. As they are sitting there contemplating the relative strengths of their respective economic positions, a government contractor arrives to build a bridge to another nearby, uninhabited island. "Value" is how much gold bullion each can expect to receive from that contractor for their individual goods

Do you guys honestly not agree with me?  That if you borrow money, spending it on consumption is not a good idea?  Borrow hundreds of millions of dollars, give it to the population, and pray for economic success?  Christ.


Not only do we not agree with you, thankfully the economists who actually matter do not agree with you and in fact would laugh at you if you said something like this to them.
 
2013-03-06 12:56:45 PM  

Fart_Machine: Tyrano Soros: Ctrl-Alt-Del: Tyrano Soros: Maybe if 0bama spent more time writing a budget

The Constitution of the United States, Article 1, Section 7
"All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; "


So why hasn't 0bama shown any leadership and forced the Senate to adopt any of the House's budget bills? Because he'd rather play politics and golf then help the American people.

I realize you're a troll but Presidents can't "force" the legislative branch to do anything. That's why they're not dictators.


DC reporters don't seem to realize it. All they asked him when the sequester took effect was how come he couldn't force Congress to stay at work and pass a new law.
 
2013-03-06 12:56:59 PM  

MattStafford: I honestly don't understand how so many people can be so willfully ignorant of an obvious truth.  If you borrow money, you better use it for something good, or it is going to suck when you have to pay it back.  The fact that you might be a sovereign country has no bearing on that universal, immutable truth.


I think I can help you here. You see, you're not actually very smart.
 
2013-03-06 12:58:01 PM  

MattStafford: Ctrl-Alt-Del: Borrowing to educate kids GOOD
Borrowing to keep poor people from living in squalor or dying from preventable illness BAD

Correct.  We should keep poor people from living in squalor or dying via tax revenue.  If we keep them from living in squalor/dying via borrowing, we're going to have a heckuva time when we can no longer borrow.


So you support replacing the sequester with tax increases.
 
2013-03-06 12:58:03 PM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: MattStafford: Um, everyone who supports Medicare/Social Security support borrowing money and distributing it to the population.

MattStafford: Only borrow money to invest in productive programs! Education,

Ah, I see.

Borrowing to educate kids GOOD
Borrowing to keep poor people from living in squalor or dying from preventable illness BAD


You see, if you get poor people out of poverty then they might be able to give their kids a good education without special government education programs. That would mean ending GOOD programs, so it would be BAD.
 
2013-03-06 12:58:08 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Not only do we not agree with you, thankfully the economists who actually matter do not agree with you and in fact would laugh at you if you said something like this to them.


Yes, they would most likely laugh and then completely refuse to address the points I was making, a la the Krugman/Murphy debate.
 
2013-03-06 12:58:41 PM  

Cletus C.: CaptainToast: The scary is for how stupid the tag is.

It's kind of scary that the preferred option is to make the cuts as painful as possible.


It's like you don't understand what the sequester was for in the first place.

Hint: that's the entire point of it. To make the cuts so painful that the GOP is forced to be reasonable.
 
2013-03-06 12:58:46 PM  

Lord_Baull: I may be way off here, but it looks like he's making fun of clane.


somedude210:
I think you're way off
this is how you mock cline
because reality doesn't make sense
make your own reality
 
2013-03-06 12:58:55 PM  

PsiChick: You're complaining about something that is working exactly the way it's supposed to.


Which is why republicans are complaining. They can't show the masses how evil, inefficient and useless the government is if it's working.
 
2013-03-06 12:58:57 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: So you support replacing the sequester with tax increases.


I'm in favor of balancing the budget through whatever means necessary.  Both tax increases and spending cuts will have to be involved.
 
2013-03-06 12:59:26 PM  

MattStafford: cameroncrazy1984: Not only do we not agree with you, thankfully the economists who actually matter do not agree with you and in fact would laugh at you if you said something like this to them.

Yes, they would most likely laugh and then completely refuse to address the points I was making, a la the Krugman/Murphy debate.


Because the points you are making are so blatantly false as to be laughable. It's like trying to explain why 2+2 does not equal 5 to a two year old. You're better off giving them some blocks to play with.
 
2013-03-06 12:59:49 PM  

Poopspasm: I think I can help you here. You see, you're not actually very smart.


And those who think we can borrow our way to prosperity are.  We're through the looking glass on this one.
 
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