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2013-03-06 11:19:25 AM

verbaltoxin: Nevermind, I found it myself.


Oh god.  The comments.  THEY BURN!
 
2013-03-06 11:20:43 AM
I was at least expecting someone fairly high up on the WH food chain, you know, maybe even a West Wing staffer ... not some rando USDA official in farking Atlanta.

With that said, how the fark do Republicans want to effect the sequester. So now: no cuts to Medicare, no cuts to Social Security (our base wants government out of those anyway), no cuts to defense, no cuts to popular programs ...

Do people honestly sit around thinking there's a top-secret Department of Waste, Bureau of Fraud, and Agency of Abuse that we could just cut, completely painlessly, and balance the budget?

1. Cap existing Social Security payments.
2. Have a means-tested Social Security Supplemental payment that gets the COLAs, gets the "we love old people" sort of increases, etc. This way hedge funde traders, union retirees, and other assorted fat and overweight cats don't get Social Security increases but those with no other support
3. Figure out how to implement deductibles for Medicare, and start funneling the (relatively healthy) 45-64 set into Medicare. Hospitals in Florida seem able to thrive so ignore the bleating from them, or maybe investigate their chargemaster codes that transform $0.01 aspirins into $1.50 aspirins. Again, why are we subsidizing the healthcare to healthy, wealthy retirees?
4. Cut defense.
5. Reduce loopholes such as the carried-interest exemption that lets hedge fundies get paid in interest and not regular income.
 
2013-03-06 11:24:15 AM

Cletus C.: Any problems with Congress are more likely to come from the other side.


lol Not sure if serious, or trolling.
 
2013-03-06 11:24:27 AM

AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe: JerseyTim: I feel like we're spending about 99.9% of the time arguing about why there is a sequester and who is responsible and .1% of the time trying to do something about it.

Welcome to the fark politics tab.  This is where you're supposed to pick a team (as long it's the Democrats) and beat dead horses while turning a blind eye to what's actually happening.  If you hang in this tab long enough you will learn;

A:  D=Good
B:  R=Bad
C:  Everything is still Bush's fault
D:  You will be assimilated
E:  You will be ostracized if you don't conform to A, B & C not wishing to become D.


Need some help with that cross? It looks heavy, and after you get one of the nails in the others are tricky.
 
2013-03-06 11:25:21 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: Cletus C.: Any problems with Congress are more likely to come from the other side. Make it pain, or something like that. But realistically, any lawmaker who publicly criticized a federal agency for finding a less painful way to cut their budget would be chum.

What color is the sky on your world?


It was a silly argument to begin with. The notion that federal agencies autonomously finding ways to cut their budgets without major impacts on vital programs certainly would leave them with hell to pay. Hell, I tells ya.

Everybody knows that to be universally true in your blue-sky world anyway.
 
2013-03-06 11:25:57 AM
Smackledorfer:

I wish I could barf through my monitor into your eyes and mouth.
 Wow.
 
2013-03-06 11:26:09 AM

stpickrell: I was at least expecting someone fairly high up on the WH food chain, you know, maybe even a West Wing staffer ... not some rando USDA official in farking Atlanta.

With that said, how the fark do Republicans want to effect the sequester. So now: no cuts to Medicare, no cuts to Social Security (our base wants government out of those anyway), no cuts to defense, no cuts to popular programs ...

Do people honestly sit around thinking there's a top-secret Department of Waste, Bureau of Fraud, and Agency of Abuse that we could just cut, completely painlessly, and balance the budget?

1. Cap existing Social Security payments.


I agree that this makes a lot of sense from where we stand now, but it will never happen, nor do I think it should.  Once SS is capped to a certain income level, it is no longer an entitlement that you pay into and get out what you paid in, it's a pure transfer from rich to poor.  Once you break that link, ALL of SS comes under fire and could be sunk by the RWEC as a socialist abomination that is no longer the SS that is so pure and must never go away (in name only).  It's a high stakes gamble that, to me, does not pay off 30 years down the line.  If we can find a way to obviate this problem, I'm all for it, but thinking a couple moves ahead helps make better planning today.

/Batmannig like a motherfarker
 
2013-03-06 11:27:32 AM

TelemonianAjax: verbaltoxin: Nevermind, I found it myself.

Oh god.  The comments.  THEY BURN!


Yeah, I just skip all those. I don't have an ignore button everywhere. I kind of wish I did.
 
2013-03-06 11:27:42 AM
Obama's motto is to never let a crisis go to waste, even if it is an invented crisis.
 
2013-03-06 11:28:53 AM

NateGrey: Cletus C.: Any problems with Congress are more likely to come from the other side.

lol Not sure if serious, or trolling.


You know me, NateGrey. Or at least you feel compelled to argue against everything I say. If you I'm a troll you shouldn't need to grab snippets of a longer conversation so that context is gone.
 
2013-03-06 11:29:14 AM

justinguarini4ever: Obama's motto is to never let a crisis go to waste, even if it is an invented crisis.


Citation? Motto? Don't think he has ever said any of those words.
 
2013-03-06 11:30:09 AM
Of course the sequester is supposed to be a bad thing.

It's supposed to be a disincentive to farking around and not balancing the budget.

It's a shame the only way to get government employees to stop farking around is to charge them money from their paychecks every day the budget isn't balanced.
 
2013-03-06 11:30:16 AM

NateGrey: justinguarini4ever: Obama's motto is to never let a crisis go to waste, even if it is an invented crisis.

Citation? Motto? Don't think he has ever said any of those words.


It's something Rahm Emmanuel said, and while it's morally suspect it does certainly speak to expediency.
 
2013-03-06 11:30:25 AM

justinguarini4ever: Obama's motto is to never let a crisis go to waste, even if it is an invented crisis.


Eventually, the GOP might just figure that out and stop inventing crises. They're 0 for 2 so far this year, about to be 0 for 3.
 
2013-03-06 11:32:01 AM

stpickrell: I was at least expecting someone fairly high up on the WH food chain, you know, maybe even a West Wing staffer ... not some rando USDA official in farking Atlanta.

With that said, how the fark do Republicans want to effect the sequester. So now: no cuts to Medicare, no cuts to Social Security (our base wants government out of those anyway), no cuts to defense, no cuts to popular programs ...

Do people honestly sit around thinking there's a top-secret Department of Waste, Bureau of Fraud, and Agency of Abuse that we could just cut, completely painlessly, and balance the budget?

1. Cap existing Social Security payments.
2. Have a means-tested Social Security Supplemental payment that gets the COLAs, gets the "we love old people" sort of increases, etc. This way hedge funde traders, union retirees, and other assorted fat and overweight cats don't get Social Security increases but those with no other support
3. Figure out how to implement deductibles for Medicare, and start funneling the (relatively healthy) 45-64 set into Medicare. Hospitals in Florida seem able to thrive so ignore the bleating from them, or maybe investigate their chargemaster codes that transform $0.01 aspirins into $1.50 aspirins. Again, why are we subsidizing the healthcare to healthy, wealthy retirees?
4. Cut defense.
5. Reduce loopholes such as the carried-interest exemption that lets hedge fundies get paid in interest and not regular income.


1. How? Where? To whom and at what level?
2. It seems attractive on its surface, but I need to see how this could hypothetically be implemented.
3. Why not just have single payer? Everyone gets covered, healthcare costs go down, and nobody is getting subsidized.
4. How? Where?
5. Another one that sounds good, but I'd like to see more data.
 
2013-03-06 11:32:21 AM

fluffy2097: Of course the sequester is supposed to be a bad thing.

It's supposed to be a disincentive to farking around and not balancing the budget.

It's a shame the only way to get government employees to stop farking around is to charge them money from their paychecks every day the budget isn't balanced.


huh? Congress' pay isn't affected at all. It's the peons who are affected. They didn't creat this mess.
 
2013-03-06 11:33:44 AM

jehovahs witness protection: Philip Francis Queeg: BillCo: It's called the Washington Memorial Strategy.

And, we really don't need the memo to prove that Obama is engaging in it.  He shut down tours of the White House for fark's sake.  Can't get much more transparent than that.  He is doing everything in his power to make the American public think that this is still the end of the world.

It's pretty sad when the President of the United States resorts to such childish tactics to scare the American people.  Whatever happened to the concept of leadership?

Are public tours of the White House a vital function of the Federal Government? That seems like a pretty smart cut to me.

Tours are done by volunteers...AND COST NOTHING


THEY'RE STILL A FORM OF GOVERNMENT PROGRAM YOU SOCIALIST COMMUNIST RED SONOFAB*TCH
 
2013-03-06 11:33:59 AM

somedude210: AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe:

A: D=Good
B: R=Bad
C: Everything is still Bush's fault
D: You will be assimilated
E: You will be ostracized if you don't conform to A, B & C not wishing to become D.

only those that lurk for years in the politics tab actually have an educated sense of the fark politics tab and know what the fark is going on in the fark politics tab come to such enlightened conclusions.

FTFY

 
2013-03-06 11:34:47 AM

Jobber8742: huh? Congress' pay isn't affected at all. It's the peons who are affected. They didn't creat this mess.


yeah. That's my point and the problem.

Imagine if we fined congress critters $10,000 a day for not creating a balanced budget after a certain date.
 
2013-03-06 11:35:25 AM

NateGrey: False Link
Republicans love their FWD: FWD: FWD: Obama worse evar


Interesting. And that would explain why one of those aircraft carriers has a pronounced list. I stand corrected.
 
2013-03-06 11:37:20 AM

fluffy2097: Jobber8742: huh? Congress' pay isn't affected at all. It's the peons who are affected. They didn't creat this mess.

yeah. That's my point and the problem.

Imagine if we fined congress critters $10,000 a day for not creating a balanced budget after a certain date.


Then the richest congresspeople could hold the rest of the Congress hostage for whatever ridiculous budget items they want.

"Oh what's that? You don't want to privatize social security? Guess I'll just hang out here with my millions of dollars while you miss your mortgage payments. Go ahead and sweat it, I can hold out for a couple of years."
 
2013-03-06 11:38:15 AM

somedude210: clane: You're being lied to everyday by the Democrats and the liberal press... It's not a cut; they simply reduced the amount of the INCREASE!

They still got an increase just not as much as originally wanted. It's like you walk in the house tell your wife i got my raise today i was making $150 now i am making $160 but i thought i was going get $170 with the raise so now we can't feed the kids or stay in this house.

Seriously i watch NBC, CNN/HLN and FOX, CNN and NBC lie and pound the drums for the Democrats, FOX explains the truth. THE TRUTH

Dear god, you're serious, aren't you?

I've heard this point by a few right wingers and yet I can't place the origins or logic of it.

as to Fox telling us the truth, how's that Benghazi thing working out for ya? Romney winning the election? How about how all us liberals are a bunch of money-grubbing assholes and only Reagan was a true conservative who never did anything like sell weapons to our enemies, give amnesty to illegals or destroy our mental health system so people like you can have access to the public


clane:
Fox said Romney won the election?  umm ok  So that Benghazi thing, yea innocent people died  because Obama couldn't take time from his golf outing but hey they were just little people so your liberal left media says let's just go on about our business and pretend it didn't happen.  my god NBC and CNN lies more times a day than i can count and you have to go back 30 years to think of something...
 
2013-03-06 11:38:37 AM

HAMMERTOE: NateGrey: False Link
Republicans love their FWD: FWD: FWD: Obama worse evar

Interesting. And that would explain why one of those aircraft carriers has a pronounced list. I stand corrected.



Wouldn't it of been easier to fact check something before posting it? What is it about Republicans and lying.
 
2013-03-06 11:40:40 AM

verbaltoxin: Tommy Moo: somedude210: Well, sequester really is a bad thing, and anyone who thinks that blindly cutting our way to prosperity isn't a bad thing should be smacked around with my furlough notice

Take a 20% pay cut and get back to me how your spending isn't affected by it

Except the sequester is nowhere near 20% of the federal budget. It's closer to 2%. And yes, if I were a hog buying $1000 hammers and $500 toilet seats, I could find a way to survive a 2% pay cut.

Obama is being a dick here, and I say that as a person who voted for him. This is a Republicanesque tactic: scorching the earth and shooting the hostage to make the other guy look bad.

Yeah, how dare he write a bill by himself and force Congress to pass it at gunpoint. Oh right, that's now how legislation works at all.


His executive power to decide what bills to pay circumvents Congress. This isn't about legislation. He is deliberately, unilaterally choosing to short change the most publicly visible and necessary programs in order to make the Republicans look as bad as possible.

"I have to cut $50 million from the FAA. Let's see... I could order the agency to switch from paper to wireless and consolidate the redundant administrative staff. NAH! I think I'll fire all the air traffic controllers so everyone dies in fiery plane crashes. That will show the American people how evil the Republicans are for forcing this sequester!"
 
2013-03-06 11:41:22 AM
clane: If Obama doesn't get his way he acts like the spoiled liberal Socialist brat that he is.
This was not even a cut but i am sure you don't even know that...
He lied over and over again trying to hide that this was his idea...

somedude210:
how is this not a cut? We aren't spending nearly as much as we were, we've stopped putting money to certain things. Is that not a definition of a cut?

this idea was brought about by the supercommittee as a way to bring both sides together and keep them from farking this economy up. Obviously, one side didn't care.

So what lies are we being told?

clane:
You're being lied to everyday by the Democrats and the liberal press... It's not a cut; they simply reduced the amount of the INCREASE!

They still got an increase just not as much as originally wanted.  It's like you walk in the house tell your wife i got my raise today i was making $150 now i am making $160 but i thought i was going get $170 with the raise so now we can't feed the kids or stay in this house.

Seriously i watch NBC, CNN/HLN and FOX, CNN and NBC lie and pound the drums for the Democrats, FOX explains the truth.  THE TRUTH


Raharu: 
Oh clane:, clane: clane: clane:. Whatever are we going to do with you.

clane:
that's your comeback....  it's sad... i feel sorry for you
 
2013-03-06 11:41:41 AM

AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe: somedude210: AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe:

A: D=Good
B: R=Bad
C: Everything is still Bush's fault
D: You will be assimilated
E: You will be ostracized if you don't conform to A, B & C not wishing to become D.

only those that lurk for years in the politics tab actually have an educated sense of the fark politics tab and know what the fark is going on in the fark politics tab come to such enlightened conclusions.

FTFY


Yes, the several Republican Farkers who've left the party over the years assimilated. They didn't find reasons to question what was coming out of Bullsh*t Mountain.
 
2013-03-06 11:45:15 AM
GOP Party of Personal Responsibility.

Step 1: We created a fake financial crisis and are now being viewed as vile politicians.....compromise (98% of what we want) with a sequester.
Step 2: Allow Tea Tards to flourish stopping any fiscally responsible response to sequester deadline, attempt to blame your actions on the President
Step 3: Realize that people aren't as stupid as your base and are blaming you, try to spin the sequester as a good thing.
 
2013-03-06 11:47:38 AM

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Then the richest congresspeople could hold the rest of the Congress hostage for whatever ridiculous budget items they want.



They would fall upon each other like starving wolves if that happened. It would be glorious.
 
2013-03-06 11:48:49 AM

clane: because Obama couldn't take time from his golf outing but hey they were just little people so your liberal left media says let's just go on about our business and pretend it didn't happen.


It didn't happen. At least, not in the way your fevered brain imagines it did.
 
2013-03-06 11:50:45 AM

I_C_Weener: I_C_Weener: St_Francis_P: The talking points are always a little confusing, but lately they're just flat contradictory. The sequester is and isn't bad, but the government is hoarding bullets to shoot patriots who riot because of the sequester, but the GOP wanted to cut spending the whole time, but it's Obama's fault. There, did I cover all the salient points?

It was Obama's idea.  It was designed to punish, not cut.  It has military spending cuts in it (not just cuts to future increases) and yet the Democrats aren't happy with that either.

Now, I think we've got it.

Oh, and Republicans already gave in on Tax Increases, now it is time for the Democrats to give in on spending cuts.


For the fifth time? I really can't wrap my head around this idea that Democrats have not given up any spending cuts. We already had trillions in cuts before any revenues ever were agreed on. And we just had even more cuts. Cuts have always been a part of it, so why this constant refrain that Democrats need to *finally* give up some spending cuts.
 
2013-03-06 11:51:56 AM

Tommy Moo: verbaltoxin: Tommy Moo: somedude210: Well, sequester really is a bad thing, and anyone who thinks that blindly cutting our way to prosperity isn't a bad thing should be smacked around with my furlough notice

Take a 20% pay cut and get back to me how your spending isn't affected by it

Except the sequester is nowhere near 20% of the federal budget. It's closer to 2%. And yes, if I were a hog buying $1000 hammers and $500 toilet seats, I could find a way to survive a 2% pay cut.

Obama is being a dick here, and I say that as a person who voted for him. This is a Republicanesque tactic: scorching the earth and shooting the hostage to make the other guy look bad.

Yeah, how dare he write a bill by himself and force Congress to pass it at gunpoint. Oh right, that's now how legislation works at all.

His executive power to decide what bills to pay circumvents Congress. This isn't about legislation. He is deliberately, unilaterally choosing to short change the most publicly visible and necessary programs in order to make the Republicans look as bad as possible.

"I have to cut $50 million from the FAA. Let's see... I could order the agency to switch from paper to wireless and consolidate the redundant administrative staff. NAH! I think I'll fire all the air traffic controllers so everyone dies in fiery plane crashes. That will show the American people how evil the Republicans are for forcing this sequester!"


The President can veto legislation but he can be overridden. Short of that, the Republicans could've just passed a different bill, or made the compromise from the supercommittee like they were supposed to in the first place. This isn't secret info we're discussing here. The Republicans made this bad faith agreement just like the White House did. They knew damn well what the sequester meant, but didn't care; because it was 2011, and they were damn sure they were right, math was wrong, and Obama was going to get the boot in 2012 anyway. They didn't think ahead. They didn't plan for any alternatives. This is the price they pay for being so short-sighted.

See, this is what happens when we start playing the, "Both sides are bad" game. How about we just admit this was f*cking royally stupid, but since it's out there, the White House now has to strong-arm Congress back to the negotiating table, so they can un-f*ck the country a little? Part of that means telling people just how stupid this sequester is, so Republicans start thinking of electoral consequences and do their f*cking jobs.
 
2013-03-06 11:52:30 AM

MattStafford: Tomahawk513: Ya know, that might not be the best economic policy during a recession. It's been covered in practically every thread, especially those with Matt Stafford, but effective recession-based economic policy involves the fed spending money, even if it has to borrow it, to stimulate growth. Once the economy gets back on its feet as it's just starting to do now (see recovering housing market, DJI peak), spending should start to decrease while revenue increases due to more people paying more taxes. Then government should repay debt.

That is only an effective policy if the money is spent to actually stimulate growth.  The problem that many people have is that they confuse consumption with growth.  Cutting everyone a check for a hundred bucks might stimulate consumption, but it doesn't stimulate growth.  Investing that money in infrastructure or education, on the other hand, might actually stimulate growth.


Before I even get into "Growth" please:

Define Value.
 
2013-03-06 11:55:25 AM

clane: somedude210: clane: You're being lied to everyday by the Democrats and the liberal press... It's not a cut; they simply reduced the amount of the INCREASE!

They still got an increase just not as much as originally wanted. It's like you walk in the house tell your wife i got my raise today i was making $150 now i am making $160 but i thought i was going get $170 with the raise so now we can't feed the kids or stay in this house.

Seriously i watch NBC, CNN/HLN and FOX, CNN and NBC lie and pound the drums for the Democrats, FOX explains the truth. THE TRUTH

Dear god, you're serious, aren't you?

I've heard this point by a few right wingers and yet I can't place the origins or logic of it.

as to Fox telling us the truth, how's that Benghazi thing working out for ya? Romney winning the election? How about how all us liberals are a bunch of money-grubbing assholes and only Reagan was a true conservative who never did anything like sell weapons to our enemies, give amnesty to illegals or destroy our mental health system so people like you can have access to the public

clane:
Fox said Romney won the election?  umm ok  So that Benghazi thing, yea innocent people died  because Obama couldn't take time from his golf outing but hey they were just little people so your liberal left media says let's just go on about our business and pretend it didn't happen.  my god NBC and CNN lies more times a day than i can count and you have to go back 30 years to think of something...




Oh yeah, this is good, please proceed clane:, please do, clane:'s collage is coming along nicely now, but I need more.
 
2013-03-06 11:58:22 AM

NateGrey: Wouldn't it of been easier to fact check something before posting it? What is it about Republicans and lying.


Considering the whole thread is about the current administration sending out communications saying, "Don't make liars out of us," I'd say that the Republicans don't exactly have a monopoly on it.
 
2013-03-06 11:58:50 AM

clane: Fox said Romney won the election?  umm ok  So that Benghazi thing, yea innocent people died  because Obama couldn't take time from his golf outing but hey they were just little people so your liberal left media says let's just go on about our business and pretend it didn't happen.  my god NBC and CNN lies more times a day than i can count and you have to go back 30 years to think of something...


I just bolded the reason nobody here one of the reasons you're not taken seriously. Think about it for a bit. Please.
 
2013-03-06 11:58:56 AM

I_C_Weener: GAT_00: I_C_Weener: somedude210: Well, sequester really is a bad thing, and anyone who thinks that blindly cutting our way to prosperity isn't a bad thing should be smacked around with my furlough notice

Take a 20% pay cut and get back to me how your spending isn't affected by it

Those of us in the private sector have been dealing with that for years now.

Which gives you the right to inflict it on other people?  That's your governing philosophy?  Screw over other people's lives?  That makes you a shiatty supervillain, the kind that gets knocked out 10 minutes into the story, not any kind of rational person.

Nope.  But I'm not too sympathetic to people biatching about hitting the recession 4 years after the rest of us did.


You should be. The current Republican tactic is to make life miserable for unprotected workers in the private sector and then point at the unionized and government employees with the benefits and protections YOU SHOULD HAVE and say "aren't you jealous of them? They think they're better than you!"

And you fell for it. Chump.
 
2013-03-06 11:59:42 AM

Weaver95: jaytkay: BillCo: It's pretty sad when the President of the United States resorts to such childish tactics to scare the American people. Whatever happened to the concept of leadership?

Congress wrote the law. Congress passed the law.

Congress could have repealed the law last week by passing a one sentence bill,

And it's Obama's fault for NOT forcing Congress to behave themselves.  Because REASONS!  so many REASONS!  this is obviously all the fault of Obama's jedi mind meldtricks.


FTFY
 
2013-03-06 12:00:06 PM

corronchilejano: clane: Fox said Romney won the election?  umm ok  So that Benghazi thing, yea innocent people died  because Obama couldn't take time from his golf outing but hey they were just little people so your liberal left media says let's just go on about our business and pretend it didn't happen.  my god NBC and CNN lies more times a day than i can count and you have to go back 30 years to think of something...

I just bolded the reason nobody here one of the reasons why you're not taken seriously by anyone. Think about it for a bit. Please.


Wow, that did not come out right. I need to have breakfast more often. FTFM.
 
2013-03-06 12:01:42 PM

Tommy Moo: somedude210: Well, sequester really is a bad thing, and anyone who thinks that blindly cutting our way to prosperity isn't a bad thing should be smacked around with my furlough notice

Take a 20% pay cut and get back to me how your spending isn't affected by it

Except the sequester is nowhere near 20% of the federal budget. It's closer to 2%. And yes, if I were a hog buying $1000 hammers and $500 toilet seats, I could find a way to survive a 2% pay cut.

Obama is being a dick here, and I say that as a person who voted for him. This is a Republicanesque tactic: scorching the earth and shooting the hostage to make the other guy look bad.


How many days does a normal person work in a week?

How much would their pay be cut if they were forced to take one of those days off, every week, without pay, as a percentage of their total pay.

Now look up the word Furlough.

Then wallow in your shame.
 
2013-03-06 12:04:12 PM

Joe USer: Bloody William: sigdiamond2000: So I've been out of the loop lately, scrimshawing and getting my yacht ready for the America's Cup...

Is this guy a "thing" around here now?

Yep. He's tedious, though. Cookie-cutter threadshiatter, no real responses, constantly relates everything to how liberals suck, doesn't even try to put up anything like an argument. Just dull.

A troll without panache is truly a horrible thing to behold.


Let's give it up for MattStafford.  Raising the bar around this place in recent months.  This guy?  I'm not even sure who that's supposed to be fun for.
 
2013-03-06 12:04:24 PM
The gops efforts to control media narratives are becoming increasingly transparent.
 
2013-03-06 12:06:46 PM

BeesNuts: MattStafford: Tomahawk513: Ya know, that might not be the best economic policy during a recession. It's been covered in practically every thread, especially those with Matt Stafford, but effective recession-based economic policy involves the fed spending money, even if it has to borrow it, to stimulate growth. Once the economy gets back on its feet as it's just starting to do now (see recovering housing market, DJI peak), spending should start to decrease while revenue increases due to more people paying more taxes. Then government should repay debt.

That is only an effective policy if the money is spent to actually stimulate growth.  The problem that many people have is that they confuse consumption with growth.  Cutting everyone a check for a hundred bucks might stimulate consumption, but it doesn't stimulate growth.  Investing that money in infrastructure or education, on the other hand, might actually stimulate growth.

Before I even get into "Growth" please:

Define Value.


Simple. Imagine two guys on a deserted island. one has a fish, and the other has a coconut. As they are sitting there contemplating the relative strengths of their respective economic positions, a government contractor arrives to build a bridge to another nearby, uninhabited island.  "Value" is how much gold bullion each can expect to receive from that contractor for their individual goods
 
2013-03-06 12:08:50 PM
Maybe if 0bama spent more time writing a budget and less time complaining about how bad it'll be without a budget, we'd have a budget?
 
2013-03-06 12:11:29 PM

Tyrano Soros: Maybe if 0bama spent more time writing a budget and less time complaining about how bad it'll be without a budget, we'd have a budget?


He should also do other things that aren't his job like plan rocket launches and grounds keeping.
 
2013-03-06 12:11:57 PM

BeesNuts: Before I even get into "Growth" please:

Define Value.


Define value?  In what context?

The deciding factor about whether or not we should borrow and spend money is the following:  how will the country look after the spending is complete and the debt paid off.  If you borrow money and use it to fund consumption, how will the economy be changed after the spending is stopped and the debt is paid down?  If you borrow money to build a necessary bridge, how will the economy be changed after the spending is stopped and the debt is paid down?  It isn't complicated.
 
2013-03-06 12:12:20 PM

clane: So that Benghazi thing, yea innocent people died because Obama couldn't take time from his golf outing


This is your idea of "truth"?
 
2013-03-06 12:12:50 PM

Tyrano Soros: Maybe if 0bama spent more time writing a budget


The Constitution of the United States, Article 1, Section 7
"All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; "

Bad Troll. No treat for you.

Also

0bama

*** DRINK! ***
 
2013-03-06 12:13:46 PM

Ctrl-Alt-Del: Simple. Imagine two guys on a deserted island. one has a fish, and the other has a coconut. As they are sitting there contemplating the relative strengths of their respective economic positions, a government contractor arrives to build a bridge to another nearby, uninhabited island. "Value" is how much gold bullion each can expect to receive from that contractor for their individual goods


Do you guys honestly not agree with me?  That if you borrow money, spending it on consumption is not a good idea?  Borrow hundreds of millions of dollars, give it to the population, and pray for economic success?  Christ.
 
2013-03-06 12:15:31 PM

Ctrl-Alt-Del: BeesNuts: MattStafford: Tomahawk513: Ya know, that might not be the best economic policy during a recession. It's been covered in practically every thread, especially those with Matt Stafford, but effective recession-based economic policy involves the fed spending money, even if it has to borrow it, to stimulate growth. Once the economy gets back on its feet as it's just starting to do now (see recovering housing market, DJI peak), spending should start to decrease while revenue increases due to more people paying more taxes. Then government should repay debt.

That is only an effective policy if the money is spent to actually stimulate growth.  The problem that many people have is that they confuse consumption with growth.  Cutting everyone a check for a hundred bucks might stimulate consumption, but it doesn't stimulate growth.  Investing that money in infrastructure or education, on the other hand, might actually stimulate growth.

Before I even get into "Growth" please:

Define Value.

Simple. Imagine two guys on a deserted island. one has a fish, and the other has a coconut. As they are sitting there contemplating the relative strengths of their respective economic positions, a government contractor arrives to build a bridge to another nearby, uninhabited island.  "Value" is how much gold bullion each can expect to receive from that contractor for their individual goods


lol
 
2013-03-06 12:16:41 PM

clane: Fox said Romney won the election? umm ok So that Benghazi thing, yea innocent people died because Obama couldn't take time from his golf outing but hey they were just little people so your liberal left media says let's just go on about our business and pretend it didn't happen. my god NBC and CNN lies more times a day than i can count and you have to go back 30 years to think of something...



Forget it. Stupid libs will just come back with some nonsense about how the Republican House cut those programs, as they were elected to do, and conveniently forget that 0bama is commander-in-chief of the embassies he has, not the embassies he wants.
 
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