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2013-03-06 10:22:21 AM  

Munchausen's Proxy: Outstanding

70 posts in and absolutely nobody has actually address the article.  Someone posted a copy of the email mentioned in the article, but then asked about "Lucy"  Many here will moan about people working together, then post crap about "the other side".  In the same post complaining about the other side only looking to place blame, the poster then tries to place blame.

Good job, keep at it


A. People did address it.
B. It was a bullshiat piece misreoresenting what was said in the email.
C. The important thing is you managed to make a meta-post that addressed the thread instead of the article to feel superior to those making posts about the thread instead of the article.

I wish I could barf through my monitor into your eyes and mouth.
 
2013-03-06 10:22:50 AM  

Weaver95: BillCo: Whatever happened to the concept of leadership?

the President can't force the GOP in congress to stop acting like idiots.  this is what you guys wanted and well...you won.  step up and claim your reward.


What the GOP wanted was to make Americans regret reelecting Obama, and that most certainly has not turned out the way they wanted - and I'm ok with that.
 
2013-03-06 10:23:10 AM  

Bloody William: Raharu: But Tony, according to you, "he's going to be Impeached because he's not a REAL president anyway, and just the House-Negro in chief"

Did he really say that?


I'm curious, as well. If he did he has no credibility on anything. If he didn't, you have no credibility.
 
2013-03-06 10:23:19 AM  

make me some tea: It's a bubble. Investors are clearly on drugs. I wouldn't buy any stock right now, it's all overpriced.


mmmmmmm: Bubble Tea
 
2013-03-06 10:23:27 AM  
So... uuuh... why is the text in two colors?
 
2013-03-06 10:24:54 AM  

Weaver95: so basically it goes like this:

GOP: 'we love spending cuts.  spending cuts are GREAT!  [arranges sequester].  oh yeah, this is gonna be AWESOME!'
Obama: 'um...this isn't necessary. we can find other ways to cut spending and minimize the impact on the poor and middle class.'
GOP: 'SPENDING CUTS NAOW!'
Obama: 'but...
GOP: CUTS NAOW!'
Obama: fine.  its your budget, you live with it.
GOP: 'hey, wait!  people are mad at us!  OBAMA!  THIS IS YOUR FAULT!  GOTDAMN YOUUUUUUUUUU!'


good analysis.
 
2013-03-06 10:25:14 AM  
So did anyone not see the President speaking last week and their assessments for all 50 states?  It's not exactly a secret that needs to be leaked that they were heavily pushing the possible negative effects of the sequester.
 
2013-03-06 10:25:51 AM  

somedude210: Well, sequester really is a bad thing, and anyone who thinks that blindly cutting our way to prosperity isn't a bad thing should be smacked around with my furlough notice

Take a 20% pay cut and get back to me how your spending isn't affected by it



I did. Three years ago. It's about time the fed caught up to the fact that most of america is broke and so are they.
 
2013-03-06 10:25:58 AM  

Munchausen's Proxy: Mikey1969: Leaked email adds fuel to claims White House playing politics over impact of cuts

Because the Right wold NEVER play politics over ANYthing, they're far too mature, and they value country over Party.

Right??

So this is perfectly fine, and everyone should keep doing this?


Yeah, that's what I said, 100%. It's not like I was pointing out the utter hypocrisy of these assholes, I was merely saying that it's all good. How very perceptive of you. Don't forget to grab a lollypop on your way out, you've earned it!
 
2013-03-06 10:27:09 AM  

jaybeezey: somedude210: Well, sequester really is a bad thing, and anyone who thinks that blindly cutting our way to prosperity isn't a bad thing should be smacked around with my furlough notice

Take a 20% pay cut and get back to me how your spending isn't affected by it

Get a real job in the private sector.


The guys at the top of the food chain who watched their profits reach record levels are laughing at this line of thinking. Dance puppet, dance!
 
2013-03-06 10:27:21 AM  
People who think that the sequester won't be painful are ignorant.  You're cutting 85 billion from the economy.  Regardless of what those people who receive that money actually do - that's 85 billion less that people will be spending/investing.  That said, spending cuts are both necessary and a good thing, regardless of the pain.
 
2013-03-06 10:27:47 AM  
tony41454: WORST PRESIDENT IN AMERICAN HISTORY.

clane: Worst president ever in the history of this country!!  Never thought Carter could be topped but congratulations!


NateGrey:
Awkward, two shills repeating the same thing in the same thread.

clane:
If Obama doesn't get his way he acts like the spoiled liberal Socialist brat that he is.
This was not even a cut but i am sure you don't even know that...
He lied over and over again trying to hide that this was his idea...

Why all the dramatic cutbacks when Congress didn't even reduce the amount of money they received.  In fact they received MORE money!  you liberals are all freaking sheep!!  They lie to your face and you don't take 5 seconds to get the real facts.
 
2013-03-06 10:28:50 AM  
Leave it to Farthitler to cut programs that are essential to our national security and prestige throughout the world -- like White House tours, for example -- while continuing to lavish taxpayer dollars on pork barrel boondoggles like volcano monitoring.

Worst. President. Ever.
 
2013-03-06 10:29:24 AM  
"0" bama is "the" worst president in herstory
 
2013-03-06 10:29:43 AM  

MattStafford: People who think that the sequester won't be painful are ignorant.  You're cutting 85 billion from the economy.  Regardless of what those people who receive that money actually do - that's 85 billion less that people will be spending/investing.  That said, spending cuts are both necessary and a good thing, regardless of the pain.


Conservatives complain about the country turning into Greece, which is hilarious because austerity is exactly what would turn us into Greece.
 
2013-03-06 10:30:07 AM  

Weaver95: yeah, but voters (especially the younger ones) are starting to get smart with information processing.  we can SEE the lies.  once they get posted online somewhere you can't go back and erase it and pretend you weren't trolling the country.  For all their problems the Democrats seemed to have grasped the implications of the internet and what it means for their media relations efforts - don't get caught being a hypocritical bastard is a good rule in life to have and so far the Dems seemed to have learned it very well.  the GOP tho?  f*ck man...they just don't care.  they practically ooze hypocrisy and contempt then expect nobody to notice?!  I can't tell if they're insane or merely hyper-arrogant..


I live in South Carolina. It's working. I've had half a dozen different conversations in the past couple of days along the lines of:

"That Obama, look at him trying to blame the Republicans for the sequester. Who does he think he's fooling? Everyone knows it was his idea!"
"Don't you remember how this thing got started? The sequester wasn't supposed to happen, Congress was supposed to work together and fix it."
"Yeah yeah whatever, keep trying to shift the blame."
"Look, blame Republicans or Democrats, whatever, but it's in the hands of Congress, not the President, and has been since the supercommittee failed."
(change of subject)...

And then I'll hear them spouting the same shiat to someone else, later.

Mind you, these are government employees,  pissed off because they'll be losing approximately 20% of their anticipated paychecks, and they're blaming Obama because sequestration was all his idea in the first place.
 
2013-03-06 10:30:23 AM  

Jackson Herring: "0" bama is "the" worst president in herstory


Not only that, I but hear he's black!
 
2013-03-06 10:30:30 AM  

jaybeezey: Get a real job in the private sector.


explain to me how what I do isn't a real job just because it's a public sector job
 
2013-03-06 10:30:30 AM  

Bloody William: Raharu: But Tony, according to you, "he's going to be Impeached because he's not a REAL president anyway, and just the House-Negro in chief"

Did he really say that?


YES
 
2013-03-06 10:30:52 AM  

youmightberight: somedude210: Well, sequester really is a bad thing, and anyone who thinks that blindly cutting our way to prosperity isn't a bad thing should be smacked around with my furlough notice

Take a 20% pay cut and get back to me how your spending isn't affected by it


I did. Three years ago. It's about time the fed caught up to the fact that most of america is broke and so are they.


Ya know, that might not be the best economic policy during a recession.  It's been covered in practically every thread, especially those with Matt Stafford, but effective recession-based economic policy involves the fed spending money, even if it has to borrow it, to stimulate growth.  Once the economy gets back on its feet as it's just starting to do now (see recovering housing market, DJI peak), spending should start to decrease while revenue increases due to more people paying more taxes.  Then government should repay debt.
 
2013-03-06 10:30:55 AM  

theknuckler_33: Obama is the worst 'worst president' in history.


I see what you did there.
 
2013-03-06 10:31:27 AM  

MattStafford: That said, spending cuts are both necessary and a good thing, regardless of the pain.


So I guess you're a big fan of the Hoover administration.
 
2013-03-06 10:31:42 AM  
I'm also getting a kick on how people think these cuts won't extend into the private sector. It isn't like the government doesn't utilize private goods or services and their employees utilize special government stores.
 
2013-03-06 10:32:10 AM  

keylock71: Jackson Herring: "0" bama is "the" worst president in herstory

Not only that, I but hear he's black!


And a usurper! I have no idea what that word means, but it HAS to be something bad!
 
2013-03-06 10:32:22 AM  

I_C_Weener: GAT_00: I_C_Weener: somedude210: Well, sequester really is a bad thing, and anyone who thinks that blindly cutting our way to prosperity isn't a bad thing should be smacked around with my furlough notice

Take a 20% pay cut and get back to me how your spending isn't affected by it

Those of us in the private sector have been dealing with that for years now.

Which gives you the right to inflict it on other people?  That's your governing philosophy?  Screw over other people's lives?  That makes you a shiatty supervillain, the kind that gets knocked out 10 minutes into the story, not any kind of rational person.

Nope.  But I'm not too sympathetic to people biatching about hitting the recession 4 years after the rest of us did.


This is what real class warfare looks like.  The rich have the private sector class hating the public sector class because THOSE GUYS ARE ROLLING IN DOUGH BROTHER!

/yawn
 
2013-03-06 10:32:27 AM  
www.bartcop.com
 
2013-03-06 10:33:19 AM  

steppenwolf: Conservatives complain about the country turning into Greece, which is hilarious because austerity is exactly what would turn us into Greece.


Continuing on our current path of borrowing and spending would be more akin to Greece than slowing our spending.  If your plan is to borrow and spend indefinitely, with no plans of how to pay it back or slow spending, eventually you will run headlong into reality and the Greek situation is simply forced upon you.
 
2013-03-06 10:33:36 AM  

somedude210: jaybeezey: Get a real job in the private sector.

explain to me how what I do isn't a real job just because it's a public sector job


These are the same people who think teachers and firefighters are overpaid moochers living high on the hog off the taxpayers.
 
2013-03-06 10:33:43 AM  

Raharu: Bloody William: Raharu: But Tony, according to you, "he's going to be Impeached because he's not a REAL president anyway, and just the House-Negro in chief"

Did he really say that?

YES


Thanks for the proof. It should be brought up every time he posts about anything.
 
2013-03-06 10:34:24 AM  

clane: Worst president ever in the history of this country!!  Never thought Carter could be topped but congratulations!


Bush left years ago. Let it go already.
 
2013-03-06 10:34:38 AM  

clane: tony41454: WORST PRESIDENT IN AMERICAN HISTORY.

clane: Worst president ever in the history of this country!!  Never thought Carter could be topped but congratulations!

NateGrey:
Awkward, two shills repeating the same thing in the same thread.

clane:
If Obama doesn't get his way he acts like the spoiled liberal Socialist brat that he is.
This was not even a cut but i am sure you don't even know that...
He lied over and over again trying to hide that this was his idea...

Why all the dramatic cutbacks when Congress didn't even reduce the amount of money they received.  In fact they received MORE money!  you liberals are all freaking sheep!!  They lie to your face and you don't take 5 seconds to get the real facts.




clane: we have been over this, clane: doesn't have to post the "clane:" part clane:
gets in clane:'s talking points memo. It just makes clane: look more like a copy pasta shill.

/clane:
//clane:clane:
 
2013-03-06 10:35:08 AM  

Tomahawk513: Ya know, that might not be the best economic policy during a recession. It's been covered in practically every thread, especially those with Matt Stafford, but effective recession-based economic policy involves the fed spending money, even if it has to borrow it, to stimulate growth. Once the economy gets back on its feet as it's just starting to do now (see recovering housing market, DJI peak), spending should start to decrease while revenue increases due to more people paying more taxes. Then government should repay debt.


That is only an effective policy if the money is spent to actually stimulate growth.  The problem that many people have is that they confuse consumption with growth.  Cutting everyone a check for a hundred bucks might stimulate consumption, but it doesn't stimulate growth.  Investing that money in infrastructure or education, on the other hand, might actually stimulate growth.
 
2013-03-06 10:35:43 AM  
he's already released his army of criminals to terrorize the countryside.

the man's on a roll.

he's rollin' and he's trollin'
ts4.mm.bing.net
 
2013-03-06 10:35:46 AM  

clane: tony41454: WORST PRESIDENT IN AMERICAN HISTORY.

clane: Worst president ever in the history of this country!!  Never thought Carter could be topped but congratulations!

NateGrey:
Awkward, two shills repeating the same thing in the same thread.

clane:
If Obama doesn't get his way he acts like the spoiled liberal Socialist brat that he is.
This was not even a cut but i am sure you don't even know that...
He lied over and over again trying to hide that this was his idea...

Why all the dramatic cutbacks when Congress didn't even reduce the amount of money they received.  In fact they received MORE money!  you liberals are all freaking sheep!!  They lie to your face and you don't take 5 seconds to get the real facts.


So I've been out of the loop lately, scrimshawing and getting my yacht ready for the America's Cup...

Is this guy a "thing" around here now?
 
2013-03-06 10:37:01 AM  

Smackledorfer: I_C_Weener: I_C_Weener: St_Francis_P: The talking points are always a little confusing, but lately they're just flat contradictory. The sequester is and isn't bad, but the government is hoarding bullets to shoot patriots who riot because of the sequester, but the GOP wanted to cut spending the whole time, but it's Obama's fault. There, did I cover all the salient points?

It was Obama's idea.  It was designed to punish, not cut.  It has military spending cuts in it (not just cuts to future increases) and yet the Democrats aren't happy with that either.

Now, I think we've got it.

Oh, and Republicans already gave in on Tax Increases, now it is time for the Democrats to give in on spending cuts.

You are everything that is wrong with this website.


Don't you love after spending months yelling "these aren't real cuts" he's modified it to "the real cuts that need to be repealed are to the programs I like, so let's preserve them and make real cuts to everything else"?
 
2013-03-06 10:38:23 AM  

MattStafford: steppenwolf: Conservatives complain about the country turning into Greece, which is hilarious because austerity is exactly what would turn us into Greece.

Continuing on our current path of borrowing and spending would be more akin to Greece than slowing our spending.  If your plan is to borrow and spend indefinitely, with no plans of how to pay it back or slow spending, eventually you will run headlong into reality and the Greek situation is simply forced upon you.


"If we keep spending we're going to be forced into austerity and our economy will fall apart, so let's implement austerity."

The cancer is the cure, huh?
 
2013-03-06 10:39:03 AM  

clane: If Obama doesn't get his way he acts like the spoiled liberal Socialist brat that he is.
This was not even a cut but i am sure you don't even know that...
He lied over and over again trying to hide that this was his idea...


how is this not a cut? We aren't spending nearly as much as we were, we've stopped putting money to certain things. Is that not a definition of a cut?

this idea was brought about by the supercommittee as a way to bring both sides together and keep them from farking this economy up. Obviously, one side didn't care.

So what lies are we being told?
 
2013-03-06 10:40:26 AM  
He just can't get to impeachment fast enough....can he.
 
2013-03-06 10:40:32 AM  

sigdiamond2000: clane: tony41454: WORST PRESIDENT IN AMERICAN HISTORY.

clane: Worst president ever in the history of this country!!  Never thought Carter could be topped but congratulations!

NateGrey:
Awkward, two shills repeating the same thing in the same thread.

clane:
If Obama doesn't get his way he acts like the spoiled liberal Socialist brat that he is.
This was not even a cut but i am sure you don't even know that...
He lied over and over again trying to hide that this was his idea...

Why all the dramatic cutbacks when Congress didn't even reduce the amount of money they received.  In fact they received MORE money!  you liberals are all freaking sheep!!  They lie to your face and you don't take 5 seconds to get the real facts.

So I've been out of the loop lately, scrimshawing and getting my yacht ready for the America's Cup...

Is this guy a "thing" around here now?




clane: is sorta new, clane: is kinda like a mix between tony For racism, and shotglasss For dementia.
 
2013-03-06 10:40:42 AM  

colon_pow: he's already released his army of criminals to terrorize the countryside.
the man's on a roll.
he's rollin' and he's trollin'
[ts4.mm.bing.net image 218x147]


How many did Rush say, 30,000 illegals right?
 
2013-03-06 10:41:05 AM  
Well, duh. It's not like the sequester stopped Obama from handing $250,000,000 to the Egyptians, who make billion$ from us every year in oil. Meanwhile, teachers have to be furloughed, despite their being state, not federal employees, and the fact that more money could be saved by furloughing Administrators.

It's never been anything more than a Democratic temper tantrum over cutting their spending power. Hell, Obama just parked five nuclear aircraft carriers right next to each other at Norfolk, VA, in direct violation of any common sense at all. Thought we learned our lesson about that at Battleship Row, nearly 60 years ago.
 
2013-03-06 10:43:19 AM  

HAMMERTOE: Well, duh. It's not like the sequester stopped Obama from handing $250,000,000 to the Egyptians, who make billion$ from us every year in oil.


Huh?
 
2013-03-06 10:45:10 AM  

steppenwolf: "If we keep spending we're going to be forced into austerity and our economy will fall apart, so let's implement austerity."

The cancer is the cure, huh?


Your options are to continue spending until you face a serious borrowing/spending constraint, and are forced to scale back suddenly with very little flexibility, or scale down spending now, and apply targeted cuts more flexibly.

And the fact that our government refused to reasonably target the cuts doesn't suddenly make the former option better.  An untargeted slow down in spending is still better than increased spending, when talking about the long term health of the economy.
 
2013-03-06 10:45:46 AM  

HAMMERTOE: Obama from handing $250,000,000 to the Egyptians


How can anyone take a Republican seriously:

U.S. foreign assistance to Egypt has averaged about $2 billion a year since 1979, when Egypt struck a peace treaty with Israel following the Camp David accords Link
 
2013-03-06 10:45:58 AM  

netcentric: He just can't get to impeachment fast enough....can he.


PWB is impeachable now?
 
2013-03-06 10:46:30 AM  
does it really matter? they disown it now, but if the country recovers then it will be all their idea again
 
2013-03-06 10:46:53 AM  

tony41454: The President has the power to choose where to make these cuts. He wants to punish the American people as much as possible so he can blame others. WORST PRESIDENT IN AMERICAN HISTORY.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/mar/5/email-tells-feds-make -s equester-painful-promised/


No, the sequester is worded in such a way that the cuts must be done equitably across the board. They are legally unable to cut more from any program at the expense of another per the language of the bill itself. That's a big part of why it's a poison pill: it's designed to hurt based on the text of the law. Hell, McConnell said he was open to changing the law to give the executive more latitude in choosing cuts, but the House never took such legislation up for a vote. They can't claim the President already has a power they said they would need to pass legislation to grant him. You're saying the president is terrible for obeying the law.
 
2013-03-06 10:47:07 AM  

steppenwolf: MattStafford: steppenwolf: Conservatives complain about the country turning into Greece, which is hilarious because austerity is exactly what would turn us into Greece.

Continuing on our current path of borrowing and spending would be more akin to Greece than slowing our spending.  If your plan is to borrow and spend indefinitely, with no plans of how to pay it back or slow spending, eventually you will run headlong into reality and the Greek situation is simply forced upon you.

"If we keep spending we're going to be forced into austerity and our economy will fall apart, so let's implement austerity."

The cancer is the cure, huh?


I love his way of thinking.  "If nothing ever changes, bad things will happen."  That's like a weather forecaster saying, "Well, it's snowing today at a rate of 1" per hour.  By this time tomorrow we'll have 24".  By this time next week we'll have 168"."
 
2013-03-06 10:48:25 AM  

Raharu: Bloody William: Raharu: But Tony, according to you, "he's going to be Impeached because he's not a REAL president anyway, and just the House-Negro in chief"

Did he really say that?

YES


Wow.

I want to be offended by the racist connotations, but I'm honestly more offended by the historical ignorance and complete misuse of the phrase. I mean, it just doesn't work as an analogy on any level.
 
2013-03-06 10:48:59 AM  
I'm at the point where when I read right wing talking points, I feel like I'm reading an alien language. Have they really gone that far beyond the pale?
 
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