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(Fox News)   This could be it, folks: Sequestergate. Leaked email shows that Obama has been deliberately trying to make the sequester a bad thing   (foxnews.com) divider line 469
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2013-03-06 09:07:01 AM  
Well, sequester really is a bad thing, and anyone who thinks that blindly cutting our way to prosperity isn't a bad thing should be smacked around with my furlough notice

Take a 20% pay cut and get back to me how your spending isn't affected by it
 
2013-03-06 09:09:14 AM  
so basically it goes like this:

GOP: 'we love spending cuts.  spending cuts are GREAT!  [arranges sequester].  oh yeah, this is gonna be AWESOME!'
Obama: 'um...this isn't necessary. we can find other ways to cut spending and minimize the impact on the poor and middle class.'
GOP: 'SPENDING CUTS NAOW!'
Obama: 'but...
GOP: CUTS NAOW!'
Obama: fine.  its your budget, you live with it.
GOP: 'hey, wait!  people are mad at us!  OBAMA!  THIS IS YOUR FAULT!  GOTDAMN YOUUUUUUUUUU!'
 
2013-03-06 09:13:13 AM  
So I'm supposed to be outraged that this email stated the obvious?
 
2013-03-06 09:14:42 AM  
Funny, it was Fox and Boehner leading the cry of doom a week ago.
 
2013-03-06 09:17:16 AM  
The sequester is a bad thing, subby.  That was the whole point.  It was supposed to be such an obviously bad idea that would hurt everyone that it would force Congress to work together to find a better alternative.  Unfortunately, the Tea Party found out that it was a bad idea that Obama didn't want so they figured "go for it!"  They did this because they are stupid.
 
2013-03-06 09:19:36 AM  
The talking points are always a little confusing, but lately they're just flat contradictory. The sequester is and isn't bad, but the government is hoarding bullets to shoot patriots who riot because of the sequester, but the GOP wanted to cut spending the whole time, but it's Obama's fault. There, did I cover all the salient points?
 
2013-03-06 09:23:20 AM  

FloydA: The sequester is a bad thing, subby.  That was the whole point.  It was supposed to be such an obviously bad idea that would hurt everyone that it would force Congress to work together to find a better alternative.  Unfortunately, the Tea Party found out that it was a bad idea that Obama didn't want so they figured "go for it!"  They did this because they are stupid.


When you run on cutting taxes and you've cut all the taxes, the only thing left is to watch the world burn

/or compromise
//but that's blasphemy
 
2013-03-06 09:25:54 AM  
I feel like we're spending about 99.9% of the time arguing about why there is a sequester and who is responsible and .1% of the time trying to do something about it.
 
2013-03-06 09:26:10 AM  
The letter in question:

From: Brown, Charles S - APHIS Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 1:20 PM
To: [redacted]
Cc: [redacted]
Subject: FW: Aquaculture loss - sequestration

All,

During the Management team conference call this morning, I asked if there was any latitude in how the sequestration cuts related to aquaculture could be managed (e.g. spread across the Region). The question was elevated to APHIS BPAS. The response back was, "We have gone on record with a notification to Congress and whoever else that "APHIS would eliminate assistance to producers in 24 States in managing wildlife damage to the aquaculture industry, unless they provide funding to cover the costs." So, it is our opinion that however you manage that reduction, you need to make sure you are not contradicting what we said the impact would be."

I have been asked to provide a plan by Friday that will outline the implement of the $263,000 aquaculture reduction. I will use the information you have already provided. If I need additional information, I will let you know.

Charlie
Charles S. Brown


I just wonder who "management" is.  And if someone on the management team is named "Lucy."
 
2013-03-06 09:28:39 AM  

JerseyTim: I feel like we're spending about 99.9% of the time arguing about why there is a sequester and who is responsible and .1% of the time trying to do something about it.


Which we wouldn't have to if Boehner hadn't decided to rewrite history and the media let him.
 
2013-03-06 09:28:52 AM  

somedude210: Well, sequester really is a bad thing, and anyone who thinks that blindly cutting our way to prosperity isn't a bad thing should be smacked around with my furlough notice

Take a 20% pay cut and get back to me how your spending isn't affected by it


Those of us in the private sector have been dealing with that for years now.
 
2013-03-06 09:29:41 AM  
It's called the Washington Memorial Strategy.

And, we really don't need the memo to prove that Obama is engaging in it.  He shut down tours of the White House for fark's sake.  Can't get much more transparent than that.  He is doing everything in his power to make the American public think that this is still the end of the world.

It's pretty sad when the President of the United States resorts to such childish tactics to scare the American people.  Whatever happened to the concept of leadership?
 
2013-03-06 09:30:09 AM  

St_Francis_P: The talking points are always a little confusing, but lately they're just flat contradictory. The sequester is and isn't bad, but the government is hoarding bullets to shoot patriots who riot because of the sequester, but the GOP wanted to cut spending the whole time, but it's Obama's fault. There, did I cover all the salient points?


It was Obama's idea.  It was designed to punish, not cut.  It has military spending cuts in it (not just cuts to future increases) and yet the Democrats aren't happy with that either.

Now, I think we've got it.
 
2013-03-06 09:30:38 AM  
encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
 
2013-03-06 09:31:32 AM  

I_C_Weener: Those of us in the private sector have been dealing with that for years now.


you also, in theory, get paid a lot better than those of us in government

/we're just a bit more secure in our jobs
 
2013-03-06 09:31:42 AM  

I_C_Weener: St_Francis_P: The talking points are always a little confusing, but lately they're just flat contradictory. The sequester is and isn't bad, but the government is hoarding bullets to shoot patriots who riot because of the sequester, but the GOP wanted to cut spending the whole time, but it's Obama's fault. There, did I cover all the salient points?

It was Obama's idea.  It was designed to punish, not cut.  It has military spending cuts in it (not just cuts to future increases) and yet the Democrats aren't happy with that either.

Now, I think we've got it.


Oh, and Republicans already gave in on Tax Increases, now it is time for the Democrats to give in on spending cuts.
 
2013-03-06 09:33:54 AM  

JerseyTim: I feel like we're spending about 99.9% of the time arguing about why there is a sequester and who is responsible and .1% of the time trying to do something about it.


Limbaugh (and others) have spent a LOT of time trying to blame Obama for the sequester.  a good bit of the right wing media engine is trying to blame Obama for something.  I'm not sure exactly for what, but SOMETHING.  at this point i'm not even sure what the GOP thinks Obama has done wrong.
 
2013-03-06 09:35:07 AM  

I_C_Weener: somedude210: Well, sequester really is a bad thing, and anyone who thinks that blindly cutting our way to prosperity isn't a bad thing should be smacked around with my furlough notice

Take a 20% pay cut and get back to me how your spending isn't affected by it

Those of us in the private sector have been dealing with that for years now.


Which gives you the right to inflict it on other people?  That's your governing philosophy?  Screw over other people's lives?  That makes you a shiatty supervillain, the kind that gets knocked out 10 minutes into the story, not any kind of rational person.
 
2013-03-06 09:35:52 AM  

Weaver95: at this point i'm not even sure what the GOP thinks Obama has done wrong.


I'm pretty sure it has something to do with him being n***ardly with public monies.
 
2013-03-06 09:36:39 AM  

BillCo: Whatever happened to the concept of leadership?


HA! Take a look at who's in charge of passing a budget and tell me what happened to leadership. Boehner is up there with Newt in terms of the worst Speakers we've ever had.

The cuts are real, the effects are real and you're an idiot for not understanding how less pay affects how things are bought.

/that apartment I was gearing up to move into this summer looks to be on hold now
 
2013-03-06 09:36:39 AM  

GAT_00: I_C_Weener: somedude210: Well, sequester really is a bad thing, and anyone who thinks that blindly cutting our way to prosperity isn't a bad thing should be smacked around with my furlough notice

Take a 20% pay cut and get back to me how your spending isn't affected by it

Those of us in the private sector have been dealing with that for years now.

Which gives you the right to inflict it on other people?  That's your governing philosophy?  Screw over other people's lives?  That makes you a shiatty supervillain, the kind that gets knocked out 10 minutes into the story, not any kind of rational person.


Nope.  But I'm not too sympathetic to people biatching about hitting the recession 4 years after the rest of us did.
 
2013-03-06 09:39:33 AM  

I_C_Weener: GAT_00: I_C_Weener: somedude210: Well, sequester really is a bad thing, and anyone who thinks that blindly cutting our way to prosperity isn't a bad thing should be smacked around with my furlough notice

Take a 20% pay cut and get back to me how your spending isn't affected by it

Those of us in the private sector have been dealing with that for years now.

Which gives you the right to inflict it on other people?  That's your governing philosophy?  Screw over other people's lives?  That makes you a shiatty supervillain, the kind that gets knocked out 10 minutes into the story, not any kind of rational person.

Nope.  But I'm not too sympathetic to people biatching about hitting the recession 4 years after the rest of us did.


Woohoo, other people who never did anything wrong to me got hurt!  Time for a happy dance!
 
2013-03-06 09:39:50 AM  

BunkoSquad: Weaver95: at this point i'm not even sure what the GOP thinks Obama has done wrong.

I'm pretty sure it has something to do with him being n***ardly with public monies.


Limbaugh said something yesterday that I couldn't wrap my head around.  he accused Obama of 'not cooperating' with the GOP.  this is after he's spent what? the past 4 years SCREAMING at the GOP not to make deals with Obama on anything or he'd come after 'em.  So how is Obama supposed to cooperate with the GOP when the entire GOP has been told NOT to cooperate with Obama under any circumstances...?

And Limbaugh isn't alone in this.  to a greater or lesser extent that's been a common theme among the GOP media machines for the past couple weeks.  don't deal with Obama but make sure to blame him for not being cooperative or bipartisan.
 
2013-03-06 09:41:11 AM  

BillCo: Whatever happened to the concept of leadership?


the President can't force the GOP in congress to stop acting like idiots.  this is what you guys wanted and well...you won.  step up and claim your reward.
 
2013-03-06 09:42:32 AM  

I_C_Weener: now it is time for the Democrats to give in on spending cuts.


It's like the $2.8T in spending cuts signed already into law don't even exist.
 
2013-03-06 09:43:03 AM  

Weaver95: And Limbaugh isn't alone in this. to a greater or lesser extent that's been a common theme among the GOP media machines for the past couple weeks. don't deal with Obama but make sure to blame him for not being cooperative or bipartisan.


It's what you have to do, I guess, when you literally have no ideas of your own.
 
2013-03-06 09:43:28 AM  

BillCo: Whatever happened to the concept of leadership?


I thought Obama was leading us to ruin?

Last week, he was leading us straight to hell,  this week, he isn't leading enough.
 
2013-03-06 09:44:48 AM  

vernonFL: BillCo: Whatever happened to the concept of leadership?

I thought Obama was leading us to ruin?

Last week, he was leading us straight to hell,  this week, he isn't leading enough.


to be fair, he suffers from Quantum Republicanism, where all is as it seems while nothing at all at the same time
 
2013-03-06 09:47:06 AM  
What's funny is that by the time they find something that actually IS scandalous, the whole nation will collectively yawn because we're all bored with hearing how everything is a scandal.
 
2013-03-06 09:47:21 AM  

BunkoSquad: Weaver95: And Limbaugh isn't alone in this. to a greater or lesser extent that's been a common theme among the GOP media machines for the past couple weeks. don't deal with Obama but make sure to blame him for not being cooperative or bipartisan.

It's what you have to do, I guess, when you literally have no ideas of your own.


yeah, but voters (especially the younger ones) are starting to get smart with information processing.  we can SEE the lies.  once they get posted online somewhere you can't go back and erase it and pretend you weren't trolling the country.  For all their problems the Democrats seemed to have grasped the implications of the internet and what it means for their media relations efforts - don't get caught being a hypocritical bastard is a good rule in life to have and so far the Dems seemed to have learned it very well.  the GOP tho?  f*ck man...they just don't care.  they practically ooze hypocrisy and contempt then expect nobody to notice?!  I can't tell if they're insane or merely hyper-arrogant....
 
2013-03-06 09:49:30 AM  

unlikely: What's funny is that by the time they find something that actually IS scandalous, the whole nation will collectively yawn because we're all bored with hearing how everything is a scandal.


See: al-Awlaki.
 
2013-03-06 09:49:41 AM  

Weaver95: yeah, but voters (especially the younger ones) are starting to get smart with information processing. we can SEE the lies. once they get posted online somewhere you can't go back and erase it and pretend you weren't trolling the country. For all their problems the Democrats seemed to have grasped the implications of the internet and what it means for their media relations efforts - don't get caught being a hypocritical bastard is a good rule in life to have and so far the Dems seemed to have learned it very well. the GOP tho? f*ck man...they just don't care. they practically ooze hypocrisy and contempt then expect nobody to notice?! I can't tell if they're insane or merely hyper-arrogant...


so what you're saying is that the GOP is gonna have a tough time picking up young people if they don't change their message/grab some chloroform?

sweet
 
2013-03-06 09:52:30 AM  
now it is time for the Democrats to give in on spending cuts.

is this a farking joke holy shiattttttt
 
2013-03-06 09:53:05 AM  

St_Francis_P: The talking points are always a little confusing, but lately they're just flat contradictory. The sequester is and isn't bad, but the government is hoarding bullets to shoot patriots who riot because of the sequester, but the GOP wanted to cut spending the whole time, but it's Obama's fault. There, did I cover all the salient points?


I dont see Jesus or gays mentioned.  Rewrite it and I'll re-grade your paper by Friday.
 
2013-03-06 09:53:06 AM  
This is Obama's New Coke.
 
2013-03-06 09:54:04 AM  

FloydA: The sequester is a bad thing, subby.  That was the whole point.  It was supposed to be such an obviously bad idea that would hurt everyone that it would force Congress to work together to find a better alternative.  Unfortunately, the Tea Party found out that it was a bad idea that Obama didn't want so they figured "go for it!"  They did this because they are stupid.

potato

FTFY
 
2013-03-06 09:55:42 AM  
Heckuva job, Browny.
 
2013-03-06 09:56:57 AM  

SilentStrider: So I'm supposed to be outraged that this email stated the obvious?


This reminds me of when Obama saying the a consequnce of the budget impasse in 2011 would mean that the military wouldn't be paid got translated into "Obama hates the military and wants to eliminate their pay" when it got around to the chain emails and Facebook posts.
 
2013-03-06 09:57:00 AM  

BillCo: It's called the Washington Memorial Strategy.

And, we really don't need the memo to prove that Obama is engaging in it.  He shut down tours of the White House for fark's sake.  Can't get much more transparent than that.  He is doing everything in his power to make the American public think that this is still the end of the world.

It's pretty sad when the President of the United States resorts to such childish tactics to scare the American people.  Whatever happened to the concept of leadership?


YELLOWCAKE!
 
2013-03-06 09:57:13 AM  

Weaver95: so basically it goes like this:

GOP: 'we love spending cuts.  spending cuts are GREAT!  [arranges sequester].  oh yeah, this is gonna be AWESOME!'
Obama: 'um...this isn't necessary. we can find other ways to cut spending and minimize the impact on the poor and middle class.'
GOP: 'SPENDING CUTS NAOW!'
Obama: 'but...
GOP: CUTS NAOW!'
Obama: fine.  its your budget, you live with it.
GOP: 'hey, wait!  people are mad at us!  OBAMA!  THIS IS YOUR FAULT!  GOTDAMN YOUUUUUUUUUU!'


You forgot one: "White House comes up with the Sequester:"

Protip: Don't propose a solution that is exactly what the GOP wants, and exactly what you don't want.
 
2013-03-06 09:57:19 AM  
This is nothing more than the DOA throwing a tantrum in an attempt to try and get funding back. Just like the doom and gloom every other department is pitching for the same reason.
 
2013-03-06 09:57:44 AM  

BillCo: It's called the Washington Memorial Strategy.

And, we really don't need the memo to prove that Obama is engaging in it.  He shut down tours of the White House for fark's sake.  Can't get much more transparent than that.  He is doing everything in his power to make the American public think that this is still the end of the world.

It's pretty sad when the President of the United States resorts to such childish tactics to scare the American people.  Whatever happened to the concept of leadership?


Are public tours of the White House a vital function of the Federal Government? That seems like a pretty smart cut to me.
 
2013-03-06 09:57:53 AM  

BillCo: It's called the Washington Memorial Strategy.

And, we really don't need the memo to prove that Obama is engaging in it.  He shut down tours of the White House for fark's sake.  Can't get much more transparent than that.  He is doing everything in his power to make the American public think that this is still the end of the world.

It's pretty sad when the President of the United States resorts to such childish tactics to scare the American people.  Whatever happened to the concept of leadership?


You forgot to say wake up sheeple!
 
2013-03-06 09:58:18 AM  
Wait...Obama's been playing politics over the impact of the cuts? And Fock Snooze is biatching about this?

*head asplode*

/Pot, kettle...
 
2013-03-06 09:58:24 AM  

BillCo: It's pretty sad when the President of the United States resorts to such childish tactics to scare the American people.


True, but we don't want the proof of how harmful the spending cuts are to be a mushroom cloud.
 
2013-03-06 09:59:09 AM  

BillCo: It's pretty sad when the President of the United States resorts to such childish tactics to scare the American people. Whatever happened to the concept of leadership?


Congress wrote the law. Congress passed the law.

Congress could have repealed the law last week by passing a one sentence bill,
 
2013-03-06 10:00:28 AM  
Shut the fark up, Fox, nobody cares.
 
2013-03-06 10:01:32 AM  
I like how both parties agreed to the sequester because it was so awful neither would allow it to happen, but now the president is playing politics because he still says its awful.
 
2013-03-06 10:01:43 AM  

jaytkay: BillCo: It's pretty sad when the President of the United States resorts to such childish tactics to scare the American people. Whatever happened to the concept of leadership?

Congress wrote the law. Congress passed the law.

Congress could have repealed the law last week by passing a one sentence bill,


And it's Obama's fault for NOT forcing Congress to behave themselves.  Because REASONS!  so many REASONS!  this is obviously all the fault of Obama's jedi mind tricks.
 
2013-03-06 10:02:18 AM  

I_C_Weener: somedude210: Well, sequester really is a bad thing, and anyone who thinks that blindly cutting our way to prosperity isn't a bad thing should be smacked around with my furlough notice

Take a 20% pay cut and get back to me how your spending isn't affected by it

Those of us in the private sector have been dealing with that for years now.


We also make more for doing the same jobs. But you already knew that, because if you didn't you'd be taking that sweet free government ride, right? Because it's so awesome?
 
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