Pocket Ninja: 0 Red Flags That Suggest the Person Driving a 4-Wheel Drive Vehicle Doesn't Actually Know How to Operate One:1) The 4X4 looks more like a mini-van.2) The 4X4 is spotlessly clean.3) The 4X4 is regularly parked in the suburbs.4) The 4X4 has an automatic lift gate or sliding side door.5) The 4X4 has personalized plates that do not appear to reference hunting.6) There are young children in the 4X4.7) There is no dog in the 4X4, or if there is a dog it is a poodle.8) There is a luggage carrier located somewhere on the 4X4, either atop it or on a small platform hooked to the back.9) When operating the 4X4 in normal conditions, the driver goes around speed bumps in parking lots.10) The person refers to his or her 4X4, which is not a pickup, as a "truck."
Too Pretty For Prison: Oh, I just have to share. The other week in St. Louis we got dumped on. I had to go to work that night. I took it easy and got there in one piece. Only one lane was open on the highway. I had this assclown running up on me, flashing his lights, honking, etc. He made a couple of failed attempts to pass me, but there was really no way for him to pass. I was cruising about 30 (I was pacing myself behind the snow plow). As I exited, he got off with me, pulled up next to me, rolled own his window and accused my mom and I of incest, then floored it right through the red light. He tried to turn left and instead kept going straight into a guardrail. After the light changed, I went by nice and slow and gave him a little wave. What a waste of an Escalade.
Earpj: I have 5 kids. A minivan served me just fine while they were growing up. No need for an SUV.
theorellior: Three Crooked Squirrels: But around here (SLC), it's anyone with a big vehicle.When I commuted 30 miles a day on I-35 near Austin, I discovered that the initials "Z71" were basically a self-selecting identification tag for douchebags.
Explodo: UberDave: It's a Trap!: Because every farker with 4 wheel drive thinks it makes them invincible in ANY weather condition. I had some dumb fark in an SUV go barreling by me in horrendously thick fog. I was unaware 4 wheel drive granted you x-ray vision.They also think they can take any terrain. Personally, if I see questionable terrain, I park and walk or turn around.If you don't know that you yield to other 4wd vehicles traveling up (when you are traveling down) and you haven't practiced picking lines, then don't take that road regardless of your vehicle's "power" or rated ability.Example, and it's fairly obvious, but if you can't see the line in something like this:[s14.postimage.org image 604x453]Then go no further.It looks an awful lot like a pretty mundane little hill you have there. I've seen minivans and Civics drive hills like that. Maybe I'm losing some sense of scale there, but it really doesn't look like it.Yay living in Colorado with a Rubicon!
vernonFL: People get overconfidentPeople in the DC metro area can't drive for shiate. No, really, people here can't drive, especially in snow.
Maud Dib: UberDave:I drive PINS a lot. This sign should really say, "Abandon all hope, all ye who enter without 4WD."One day, many years ago, some guy hit the sand and drove the full 60 miles to the Mansfield Cut in a got-damn 4 door Lincoln Continental. He finally got stuck while realizing he couldn't swim across the cut. Took 3 big ol' 4WD trucks in tandem to pull him out.[i865.photobucket.com image 850x662]
Pocket Ninja: 4) The 4X4 has an automatic lift gate or sliding side door.
FlashHarry: nothing will help you on ice - not tires, not 4wd, not anything - except extreme caution
Sharksfan: Earpj: I have 5 kids. A minivan served me just fine while they were growing up. No need for an SUV.Well, to each their own. No way a mini-van would pull our boat though, and I don't think I'd want to drive one in the winter in the northern plains even with FWD/AWD.
mysticcat: Answer: tires
wingnut396: Must have a hell of a boat that for the northern plains that exceeds the 3,500lbs capacity of most modern minvans.
Myria: We of SoCal collectively ask, what's snow?
Sharksfan: Perhaps engaging FWD doesn't help on wet or slushy roads in the DC Metro - but it (along with traction control) sure as hell does help in those conditions in states with "real" winter, such as MN where I grew up (9 miles from Canada) or WI where I currently reside.4WD with slow speeds = win in most negative winter conditions.
Earpj: Sorry if I missed it, but I remember your post being about fitting kid stuff. That's what I was replying to, not truck stuff.
titwrench: mysticcat: Answer: tiresThis. I have a 4wd suv that I take out yo the trails all the time but my current tires can not handle the mud at all. Half a mile in and my tires are so caked with mud they are useless they are barely even rudders at that point. The next set are going yo be a good BFG off road tire.
dv-ous: Gough: Not to take this thread off road, but I have a rant about people turning left. Have they stopped teaching new drivers NOT to turn your wheels to the left until you start to actually make the turn??? I've lost track of the times that I've seen some nimrod get into the left-turn lane, crank their wheels, and get rear-ended, propelling the car into oncoming traffic. Don't turn the wheels and you get a dent; turn the wheels and get a head-on.Oh. I never thought of that - that must be why it's a rule. (It was on the MN Driver's test as of, like 2005 and is a state law. I don't remember it being covered in Michigan either in Driver's Ed or on the written test, but the '90s were a crazy time.)
Jument: Endive Wombat: I wail on my farking horn when people do not pull out/play with their phones and impeed the flow of those behind them. Not pulling out infuriates me to no end.You should try driving in Seattle. You'd have a coronary. People here are the most passive drivers I have ever seen. Turning left without a green arrow is rocket science, apparently.
Flint Ironstag: Particularly funny with the original Audi Quattro. Locking the diff (which they suggest for snow) actually turns off the ABS. It does mention that fact in tiny fine print...
offmymeds: Let us know how they do on SOLID ICE.
lilbjorn: Reason #1: Most people who own an SUV don't know how to drive it and only bought in the belief that it would help them survive the inevitable accident.
BHShaman: Drove to NYC from Maine in a snow storm 3 weeks ago.Drove back from NYC to Maine in a storm 2 weeks ago.I drive an AWD V6 Highlander. AWD is awesome, but it does not overcome the laws of physics or allow the deduction of points from common sense (wisdom and intelligence -2 modifier). I saw SO MANY people in 4x4s driving way over the speed for such conditions and as I passed their stuck vehicles later on down the road I just hoped no one was hurt.There is really little need for 4-HI on a true 4x4. Most people SHOULD go without it.
Evil Mackerel: Well subby, I rack it up to a lack of understanding the properties of inertia.
This text is now purple: offmymeds: Let us know how they do on SOLID ICE.Is there any other kind of ice?
JustFish: Got a little subaru outback, and will never go back to two wheel drive.The problem people have is F=MA. For christ sake, yes, four wheel drive will help, but it doesn't change the physics people.First thing I do when it snows, no matter the car I have at the time, is go out to an empty parking lot and practice emergency turning / braking. You have to know the vehicle and it's limits, and each one is different. Slapping some safety features like ABS and AWD on a car doesn't change the fact that it's a GIANT HEAVY SUV.
offmymeds: titwrench: mysticcat: Answer: tiresThis. I have a 4wd suv that I take out yo the trails all the time but my current tires can not handle the mud at all. Half a mile in and my tires are so caked with mud they are useless they are barely even rudders at that point. The next set are going yo be a good BFG off road tire.Good idea. Let us know how they do on SOLID ICE.
genepool lifeboat: 4 Wheel Drive =/= 4 Wheel StopEither you know how to drive in snow, or you make friends with the tow guy.
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